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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Staga on December 13, 2000, 05:48:00 PM
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sure (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 12-13-2000).]
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I really wish you hadn't done that.
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Didn't help.
Those prettythangholes are is still out there.
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What is a Free Host, and why would shouldnt he have done that?
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Freehost is a hacked version of Warbirds. First a server was run by a bunch of Finnish theives, then the Russians, its theft plain and simple but the operators and Freehost apologists are under some 'Robin Hood' illusion of making Warbirds available for free for all taking it from the capitalist iEN. No ammount of rationalisation or comparison is going to make it legal in the eyes of the moral majority.
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Originally posted by Revvin:
Freehost is a hacked version of Warbirds. First a server was run by a bunch of Finnish theives, then the Russians, its theft plain and simple but the operators and Freehost apologists are under some 'Robin Hood' illusion of making Warbirds available for free for all taking it from the capitalist iEN. No ammount of rationalisation or comparison is going to make it legal in the eyes of the moral majority.
That bunch you mention, is one, by the way...
also warbirds was not hacked, just its traffic was being observed and host built to respond to those etc.
although, russians has hacked it, I believe.
(I hear they're adding new planes?)
this way people exagerates all the time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
add: not that I would be defending it, but I don't see exagerating as good point either.
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 12-14-2000).]
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Here we go....
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Whatever "freehost" is, it sounds OT.
Fury
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Fishu you obviously know only scant information about this topic as your post is full of inacuracies.
But then judging on past posts thats par for the course for you.
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Originally posted by Revvin:
Fishu you obviously know only scant information about this topic as your post is full of inacuracies.
But then judging on past posts thats par for the course for you.
Don't think that I don't know.
It needed one finn, not a bunch and software was not reverse engineered.
Russians are all diffent matter though, if thats what I hear is true (new planes etc?)
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I dunno REvvin, looking at Fishu's post, it's a much more accurate account than your hyperbolic account coupled with an impressive success of combining in three lines straw-man, red-herring and question-begging.
The facts are, and have been confirmed by all the parties before, that the Russian server has no relationship whatsoever to the Finnish project. Reports (and no, I wouldn't know) have it that one is a relatively efficient piece of C coding, the other a Java bandwidth hog. Moreover, any host that functions with iLZ (=current versions of WB) will require at least that to be hacked, if not WB itself.
Moreover, your response is nugatory and an unmerited ad hominem attack: whatever Fishu's character is, it isn't gonna change the facts.
If you want to argue against these things, fine, but get your facts straight. What I find really annoying is that WHENEVER in these topics someone mentions the facts, that person is immediately attacked as a supporter of the cause, and the thread inevitably dissolves into two sides:
A. THose who try to establish the facts of the matter.
B. Those who attack A as supporters of the cause.
They squeak for a while, and, if the thread isn't locked, the Russians show up and all hell breaks loose.
It's identical to attacking someone who says, "Marijuana is not a very addictive drug that people use recreationally" for supporting recreational use of Marijuana.
However much you hate the thing, the facts are not going to change.
So debunch your panties already.
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I never said it took more than one person to hack it, it was that thief ITMO, what I did say was there was a server run by a bunch of finish guys, they had a server, news server and FTP site, quite a little industry of thieves.
The rest of it you obviously don't know, Hitech himself questioned itmo but he kept dodging the questions to prove he never hacked the WB FE
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Dinger>
Itmo said he would not continue work on Freehost and yet on the news server they used he actively helped users create add-ons by releasing source code, he also gave advice to a few Russian users on the news server also.
Hitech questioned him on how he came about some of the information he gleaned to make the host, information that Hitech felt he could not have gleaned without hacking the FE, Itmo dodged his questions and blustered a few answers that did not prove he did not hack the FE.
Itmo claimed he created his host to give IMOL a kick in the pants..so why did he not just privately mail them about a security loophole..instead he announced he had created a host on comp.sys.flight-sims and AGW.
I know what I saw in their news server, indeed they threatened to prosecute me if I continued to post there debating their actions, as usual they resorted to insults, they got some back and then like a child threatened to take their ball home if I did'nt want to play nicely.
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O.K. Place your bets...how much time will this thread last before being locked?
I say 5 hours (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I have said my piece, laid the facts on the table, all Fishu can do is romanticize the whole affair like its some kind of Robin Hood steal from the rich to give to the poor, while he lives under such delusions there's no point in continuing this discussion.
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Yeah, I'm shutting up now. YOu've got some facts there; some of them are beside the point. Finally that "it was not proven that he did not do X" doesn't prove anything. You can't draw a positive conclusion from negative evidence. Analogously:
A. I criticized your attack on fishu, in such a way as to force you into a response. You responded in such a way that to me proves that you did indeed have a torrid affair with Fishu and a Chewbacca impersonator.
B. Since you did not prove that you did not have a torrid affair with FIshu and a Chewbacca impersonator, it must be true.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Fishu was the freehost server warpy? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Revvin:
I have said my piece, laid the facts on the table, all Fishu can do is romanticize the whole affair like its some kind of Robin Hood steal from the rich to give to the poor, while he lives under such delusions there's no point in continuing this discussion.
Well, like I said before, I am not defending it.
He did very wrong when he did go into public with it.
but I don't either want to see some BS of it, definetly not "bunch of them" (them = finns) like stuff, which is wrong.
You do know things that I dont, but I also do know things that you dont know, so this really isnt worth arquing about (and i know it wasnt a bunch!)
just leave off that exagerating from it.
Torque,
Sorry to dissapoint you, but it never really cached my interest (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I was in the Dawn of Aces addiction back then
(I loved those dogfights!)
thats it, theres nothing more I need to say and flamewar would just count as lots of misery.
freehost is gone and buried, no need to cut open old wounds.
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"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Jeez that's weird. Don't u guys have a McDonalds in Seattle.
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Okay Dinger...... I've had it with this one.... I have no idea what this thread is about nor do I care... but this one topic has brought me into this.... <G>
Originally posted by Dinger:
It's identical to attacking someone who says, "Marijuana is not a very addictive drug that people use recreationally" for supporting recreational use of Marijuana.
Marijuana can never be adictive unless a person under the influence or within a few hours of recieving a "normal dose" shows signs of neurological change.
And with that I make my exit laughing gleefuly..... <BFG>
-SW
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Originally posted by RAM:
O.K. Place your bets...how much time will this thread last before being locked?
I say 5 hours (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!
:-)
-SW
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Originally posted by easymo:
Jeez that's weird. Don't u guys have a McDonalds in Seattle.
Okay, so I'm on Lummi Island (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Revvin,
Unless you are HT's or Itmo's alias I say your opinions are as good as anyones - based on hearsay. Have you even discussed the matter in private with either participiant, and not gleaned your 'facts' online from AGW?
// fats
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Oh no, not here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Exactly Gatt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
At least here no one here has threatened to put a gun to another persons head and blow thier brains out or say they're be interested in a Russian hitman to do some "dirty" work.
See what I meant Staga?
-Westy
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Whee, now we are all over this can of worms again. Gossip is battled with gossip as one mind's creative imagination is pitted against another's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
I do have something constructive to add, however. People use the term "reverse engineer" too loosely. Reverse engineering a program usually means that you have to decompile it and start altering the program itself. Capturing data packets sent by a program and then writing your own program based upon the information of those packets isn't quite reverse engineering a program. You have to hack the program itself. (AFAIK at least (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
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old news old news old news , that WB server software been all over and changing for years now , who cares. I know at least a half dozen present players of AH that ran it an who knows maybe still run it. Big whooppity dooo.
[This message has been edited by carl (edited 12-15-2000).]
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Produce of WB freehost was already quit LONG time ago (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
only russians are doing something like that anymore I believe..