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Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2/U
Post by: Simaril on August 14, 2005, 03:06:08 PM
Buff perks accumulate because there's essentially nothing worthwhile to spend them on.

While the Sturmvogel was more accurately a jabo, if listed as such it would go unused. Use the mod with bombsight; although not put into field service, it better justifies placing it the buff category and differentiates itself from the fighter version more clearly.

By classing it as a bomber, with the 2xMG108 loadout, it would give diehard buff drivers a reason to actually use their triggers while making the skies just a bit more interesting. The modelling would be relatively easy.

IMHO, this jet might make a worthy addition to the stable.
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: FiLtH on August 15, 2005, 08:23:44 AM
Great idea :)
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Karnak on August 15, 2005, 10:14:46 AM
I'd rather see the Mosquito B.Mk XVI or B-29A Superfortress as perk bombers.
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: JAWS2003 on August 15, 2005, 11:01:06 AM
Bad idea. 262 A2 has only 2xmk108's and can take bombs, but is a more deadly fighter then anything in the game after it's pure fighter counterpart. Why do you think using bomber perks to have access to such a deadly fighter is fair?
 To get a perked fighter you need fighter perks regardless of it's Jabo capabilities (Tempest, F4U-4), why should be different for 262 A2?
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Hoarach on August 15, 2005, 11:56:37 AM
How about combining all the perks in 1 column so we can use perks on anything not just specific things such as vehicle perks can only be used on vehicles because of many bombers and vehicle perks but never use them.  Since I am usually flying only fighters to me it would make more sense to be able to use the bomber and vehicle perks on fighters.
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: GreenCloud on August 15, 2005, 02:59:40 PM
becuase some of you cant use the arado..i can see why you wnat a jabo perked for bomn..lolo



ARADO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

execelent when used in formations to kill  troops..at more then 1 base
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: FiLtH on August 15, 2005, 03:25:41 PM
Well as long as a guy was using bomber points to get a 262 variant Id have no problem with it. Im sure to get those points he paid dearly a few times over. I would like to see the B29 though.
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: SuperDud on August 15, 2005, 03:28:17 PM
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Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: TrueKill on August 15, 2005, 03:34:21 PM
Me323 imagine landing be a town droping 130troops LOL or carrying your buddys tank to a field and droping him off.
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: ghi on August 15, 2005, 03:40:19 PM
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
becuase some of you cant use the arado..i can see why you wnat a jabo perked for bomn..lolo



ARADO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

execelent when used in formations to kill  troops..at more then 1 base

 
  I sunk a lot of CVs in A234s,   3 bombers x 3 x 500kg x 2.2 lbs/kg=9900 lbs ,
The CV need 8000lbs only to go down.   Dive bombing @500mph is fun, but i hit CV with calibration in A234s from 14k @ 400mph,
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Meatwad on August 15, 2005, 03:59:29 PM
NOOK!!!!!!!!1111

WOOOWOOO
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Simaril on August 15, 2005, 06:34:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GreenCloud
becuase some of you cant use the arado..i can see why you wnat a jabo perked for bomn..lolo



ARADO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

execelent when used in formations to kill  troops..at more then 1 base


I like Arados, and have flown them fine.

Trouble is, bomber work can be (sorry about this) boring.  In the time it takes to get an arado to good speed and alt, drop, and return -- fighter jocks could easily have had 5 sorties. And fighters have a higher percentage of flight time in actual combat (excluding the "NOE then auger" dweebs).

I liked the idea because most pilots have an accumulating excess of bomebr perks. Taking an Arado isnt hard, its just not as fun (for me, and I suspect others) -- which is why the bomber perk totals are in the stratosphere.

Having the option could increase the numebr of large, slow targets in the air; and I wouldnt mind that either.


Dont like the "conversion" of bomber perks to fighter action? Price the A2/u as high as you want, double or triple the 262-a1. I'd still fly the bird, and I bet I wouldnt be alone.
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Simaril on August 15, 2005, 06:37:40 PM
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Me323 imagine landing be a town droping 130troops LOL or carrying your buddys tank to a field and droping him off.


Imagine the conga line chasing that monster.....

Plus, I can hear the whines already -- "hows that big thing firing lasers at me from the tops of its wings?"
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: TrueKill on August 16, 2005, 02:04:54 PM
yea thats why i like it Info (http://www.constable.ca/me323.htm) :D
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: TrueKill on August 16, 2005, 08:39:23 PM
Dont hold breaks down and no flaps on takeoff hit the RATOs when you hit around 80-100MPH drones takeoff and stay with you with no problem.
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: WindX on August 17, 2005, 05:15:52 PM
I agree..  B29's would be an awesome addition and worthy of perk deisgnation!
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Slash27 on August 17, 2005, 05:47:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by TrueKill
Me323 imagine landing be a town droping 130troops LOL or carrying your buddys tank to a field and droping him off.


Would make base resupply a hell of alot easier:D
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Simaril on August 17, 2005, 09:09:44 PM
'Course the peak speed for those things was, what, 120mph? That would make a map box take 12 minutes IF you were up already maxed out.


Might be able to climb of they let the troops out, had up walk to keep up, then shimmy up a cable when the beast was up to cruise alt...
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Hoarach on August 17, 2005, 09:37:39 PM
Some of us though have unused perks in the vehicle and bomber area rising.  Some of the pilots in AH only fly fighters like myself or an occasionaly il2 to defend a base or an ostwind.  Im sure others like me have their vehicle and bomber perks rising and used because they hardly do buff runs or vehicle attacking.  I would like to see all the perks combined into 1 group so you can use them for anything because the only thing I use perks for are for fighters.
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: GreenCloud on August 18, 2005, 08:25:44 PM
Arado Formations


You must feather your throttle back and forth till you get above 80 mph.....then you can slam the fire walll...and hit RATOs after 100mph....the drones just need to gain speed before you hit full throttle..

again it takes u pulling throttle ful..1/2 full 1/2   till 80mph..then drones will stay with you

its great to be level in formation of arados  ..haullln ballls
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Seagoon on August 18, 2005, 10:54:31 PM
Personally I like Simarils idea, I'd love to see the Sturmvogel introduced to the game, but I'd have to agree that it's really more of a fighter/bomber than a pure bomber.

Undoubtedly though, we need more perk bombers, the Arado just doesn't cut it.

- SEAGOON
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: mora on August 19, 2005, 05:26:19 AM
Is it possible to land an Arado formation now?
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Stone on August 19, 2005, 05:36:10 AM
Perk the lazer gun bombers !!

B17 and B24 should be perked IMO.

Compare JU88 to B17. Its a huge difference !
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: GreenCloud on August 19, 2005, 01:53:17 PM
mora..u could alWAYS  land arados in formation..it takes a very careful aproach to slow down..about 15 miles out u need to start ur decelartion process
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Seeker on August 19, 2005, 02:45:14 PM
Instead of the 262; how about a Mistel?
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Hoarach on August 19, 2005, 03:37:28 PM
Why not add the japanese 262 fighter bomber version?  Yea it was experimental, but I believe a few had been flown in combat missions.
Title: Make Buff perks useful: Me-262a-2
Post by: Enduro on August 19, 2005, 04:05:41 PM
i pray that someone is sitting at some messy desk at HTC with a B-29 model on his monitor screen.

i can't imagine HTC NOT modelling the [size=10] big B-29[/size].