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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: moto61 on August 14, 2005, 09:55:32 PM
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See Rule #4, #5
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hmmm some of us may be taking this a bit too seriously. have beer and relax francis.
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"Resourcefulness" does not include using a game exploit to make a base uncapturable. By infinitely spawning infinite supplies directly on the base, no amount of concerted effort could win the base.
"Resourcefulness" might include using real game skill -- missions to take out ordinance, manning 5" guns to kill attackers, using PTs as gun platforms, etc. It does not take resourcefulness to push the spawn button, open doors, drop supplies, land, rinse and repeat.
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So useing rank to change sides is not exploiting a loophole asgainst an obviously out numbered country??I call BS.
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Originally posted by DrDea
So useing rank to change sides is not exploiting a loophole asgainst an obviously out numbered country??I call BS.
How many bish were up in arms months ago about the nits or Rooks being outnumbered? Precious few....so the righteous indignation thing wears a little thin.
Lets be honest -- the bish were giggling about having exploited the respawn thing, and got p.o.'d when somebody turned around and out-exploited them!
AS wise men have said, its a game.
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I would call such a thing a bug exploit to be delt with accordingly. You can't accept the spirit of cheating and not expect cheating to occur in the game.
You're against it or you're not - whether it be outright hacks, wire wiggling, or changing sides in an attempt to weaken a base.
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Originally posted by storch
hmmm some of us may be taking this a bit too seriously. have beer and relax francis.
Its bad enough to be outnumbered but to have this kind of crap happen is not only classless,but borders on cheating.If it was impossable for the rooks to take it back how did the Bish even get it in the first place?You can say its just a game all you want but when someone does something like this,just because they can,its detrimental to the game.Send screenies to HT.I know I did.
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Cheating? Any more than willfully using an exploit to maintain a base that in no way should be able to be kept? This is laughable at best.
With the Lvt's spawning onto the port directly, and the Bish keeping the CV right at the port, any kind of attack on the port was useless. Now, I'd call that pretty gamey, spawning lvt's for two hours straight and dumping supplies as soon as you spawn, then rinse and repeat.
So basically to spite the people doing this, I convinced Zazen to switch to Bish and take the CV (since he had higher rank than any bish online at the time) and move it from the port. I knew all hell was going to break loose and so did he, but what the heck, it's a game, and we knew it would be hillarious to hear the same guys using an exploit to their advantage turn right around and cry bloody murder about another country using an exploit to beat theirs.
Turns out, I was right hehe.
One exploit used to defeat another, deal with it, you Bish got pwned at your own game.
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SO tell me.How did the Bish even get the base in the first place if the rooks could have done the same thing?Answer the million dollar question oh wise one.
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Yea, its cheating. You really want to open that door? I guarantee I can think of better scenarios to abuse it.
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Originally posted by DrDea
SO tell me.How did the Bish even get the base in the first place if the rooks could have done the same thing?Answer the million dollar question oh wise one.
This is simple, and frankly amazing you can't see the simple answer. Bish snuck the port with the CV far away, allowing no possible chance to spawn lvt's to ressuply it. Once the port was taken, the CV, wherever it was (away from the port) was killed. As soon as the CV respawned, bish kept the CV at the port knowing about the exploit to keep the port. This would give them a foothold deep in Rook territory that could not be fought against.
The rooks had no chance to defend the port this way because the CV was away from it. The bish did because it spawned there and was kept there for this purpose. And on a final thought, whoever lead the bish mission to capture the port knew about the exploit and intended to use it to gain the foothold.
There's you answer. Like I said, simple. Something tells me you won't get it though.
:p
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Originally posted by DrDea
SO tell me.How did the Bish even get the base in the first place if the rooks could have done the same thing?Answer the million dollar question oh wise one.
Because Rooks did not abuse the exploit like Bishops did?
Zazen
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The rooks used it to attack a base, it was sunk and the cv was taken. We didn't have it parked offshore using an exploit to keep our port. Frankly, I could care less about the port, but your exploitation of that CV just couldn't stand. :lol
TW9, you are right it was a good fight, but you know, that fight is still going on over A1 right now while I'm writing this.
It is really funny to see how some of you guys act over vox... especially those preaching "class" and "loyalty" LOL Some of you are pretty thin skinned. Just remember no matter how much you want this to be reality, its still just a game :rofl
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Having been out of the loop for a few years and just starting playing again I never heard of this "so called" exploit but it seems to me this could be done by anyone that took a port with the cv close by.So be it.To change sides for the only reason to take the CV out of the game till the port is taken and then the cv deep 6'ed seems to me like a cheap,inexcusable cheat.Much more so than supplying a port you just took.Justify it all you like but it realy isnt all about making up for what you percieve as wrong.Its a BS powerplay and its wrong.Flame away.
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Originally posted by DrDea
Having been out of the loop for a few years and just starting playing again I never heard of this "so called" exploit but it seems to me this could be done by anyone that took a port with the cv close by.So be it.To change sides for the only reason to take the CV out of the game till the port is taken and then the cv deep 6'ed seems to me like a cheap,inexcusable cheat.Much more so than supplying a port you just took.Justify it all you like but it realy isnt all about making up for what you percieve as wrong.Its a BS powerplay and its wrong.Flame away.
Actually not, the bug was fixed to some extent a while back to disallow LVT's from dropping supplies in the water. The problem with P62 is the geography, the LVT's actually spawned on the beach, so could resupply immediately without having to travel anywhere. The peculair geography of the P62 port area made this exploit possible whereas it would not be possible at any other port on any other map. The LVT's would have to travel a significant distance, very slowly, thru water, under fire to re-supply any other port.
Zazen
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:aok
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Originally posted by Zazen13
... The problem with P62 is the geography, the LVT's actually spawned on the beach, so could resupply immediately without having to travel anywhere. The peculair geography of the P62 port area made this exploit possible whereas it would not be possible at any other port on any other map. The LVT's would have to travel a significant distance under fire to re-supply any other port.
Zazen
Sounds like the Bish thoughtfully exploited a known issue with this particular map, and the Rooks countered with a strategy of their own. Pretty resourceful in my book. This is only a game ... right?
Cya Up!
Dawg
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I was involved in the P-62 attacks, killed a bunch of LVTs. Clearly, the guys running the LVTs knew about the map glitch and exploited it to the maximum. Worse, some bragged about it on channel 200.
When Zazen switched to Bishops and moved the CV out of immediate spawn range, the biggest whines about cheating came from the guys who were running the LVTs.
In retrospect, I could care less about not being able to capture the base as I was content to clobber these guys all evening. There were enough Seafires and F4Us to abuse, which provided entertainment in between bomb reloads.
Tactically and strategically, having the port and CV made little impact on the game. Why? Because there was no way to capture additional bases without moving the CV away from P-62. When they do that, they lose P-62. So, the Bish had effectively keyholed themselves with this catch-22.
That said, I can see why some Rooks were annoyed at the blatant exploitation of a map problem.
In the long run, the gamers were themselves, gamed.
To avoid this sort of thing in the future, simply adjust the map as they did when the exact same map bug prevented the capture of P-47 on the Trinity map.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I was involved in the P-62 attacks, killed a bunch of LVTs. Clearly, the guys running the LVTs knew about the map glitch and exploited it to the maximum. Worse, some bragged about it on channel 200.
When Zazen switched to Bishops and moved the CV out of immediate spawn range, the biggest whines about cheating came from the guys who were running the LVTs.
In retrospect, I could care less about not being able to capture the base as I was content to clobber these guys all evening. There were enough Seafires and F4Us to abuse, which provided entertainment in between bomb reloads.
Tactically and strategically, having the port and CV made little impact on the game. Why? Because there was no way to capture additional bases without moving the CV away from P-62. When they do that, they lose P-62. So, the Bish had effectively keyholed themselves with this catch-22.
That said, I can see why some Rooks were annoyed at the blatant exploitation of a map problem.
In the long run, the gamers were themselves, gamed.
To avoid this sort of thing in the future, simply adjust the map as they did when the exact same map bug prevented the capture of P-47 on the Trinity map.
My regards,
Widewing
What it did that disrupted gameplay was allow a handfull of Bishop exploit bug abusers to unfairly tie up 50+ Rooks for 4+ hours that would have otherwise been beating the hell out of them elsewhere. It actually ruined my own squadnight, as instead of doing our usual fun missions we were consumed with trying to circumvent the Bishop bug exploitation to no avail. That, in my opinion, is a major gameplay issue that simply had to be rectified. We tried everything before we resorted, by popular consensus, to removing the object of the exploitation (the CV) from the equation. Two minutes after the CV was removed from exploitation range, the Port was successfully captured and the normal, bug abuse free, gameplay returned to the MA. Mission accomplished.
Hopefully, HiTech will see to it that P62's anomolous geography that allows this exploit to be abused is fixed before the Baltic map is returned to the map rotation. That will guarentee that noone else will have to exercise 'vigilante justice' in the future, as I was forced to tonight.
Zazen
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Again, how come none of you yelling "cheat" thought to email your complaints in? You all wanted attention, pure and simple, or this wouldnt be here on the boards. So you get no sympathy from anyone. Wahmbulance is on the way to pick you up and doctor your sprained sense of humor. Hope it gets better.
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I sent e mail and screenshot.Let HT figgure it out.Some on the Bish side wanted to switch to rook and nuke the CV so it respawned at the port.I said that wouldnt be right and they never did it.This childish Squadron Chest banging about "were being abused" just has no place in the community but we will let HT decide if some holier than tho types can dictate game play.
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Originally posted by DrDea
I sent e mail and screenshot.Let HT figgure it out.Some on the Bish side wanted to switch to rook and nuke the CV so it respawned at the port.I said that wouldnt be right and they never did it.This childish Squadron Chest banging about "were being abused" just has no place in the community but we will let HT decide if some holier than tho types can dictate game play.
That wouldn't have worked anyways, the CV was out of exploit range within about 3 minutes of respawning and me vectoring it away from P62. Rooks captured the field 2 minutes later. It would have taken much longer for the dead CV to respawn at the port again.
Zazen
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End this now. Both threads are getting way out of hand. Self-censorship is better than enforced HTC censorship.
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Wtg Zazen! You took one for the team bud! I hate that never ending re-supply from LVT crap.
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Yeah, send emails and screen shots to HT. I wonder what he will have issue with. A player switching sides and plaing the game according to the rules or a bunch of dweebs exploiting a map problem. :lol
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Yup, pretty sorry situation, but then zazen strikes me as an "end justifies the means" type of guy. Its obvious that he can rationalize his actions to almost sociopathic levels.
There should be an hour or so dead time after country change when cv command is not possible.
shamus
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I am a knight and wasn't even involved but changing sides and to do what you did Zazen was wrong. The Bish were simply resupplying the port with the spawn point that HTC has installed in the game. Zazen, you on the other hand purposely switched sides to sabotage. That's just cheap. But, the game allows this sort of play. Maybe HTC can make some changes so a player who changes sides loses all their current rank and starts at ground zero. Anyways, I think you lost any respect you may have had with other players Zazen when you pulled that move. ::::Shrugs:::::
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Originally posted by Shamus
Yup, pretty sorry situation, but then zazen strikes me as an "end justifies the means" type of guy. Its obvious that he can rationalize his actions to almost sociopathic levels.
shamus [/QUOTE
-- tell him to add some brain in his diet
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Actually not, the bug was fixed to some extent a while back to disallow LVT's from dropping supplies in the water. The problem with P62 is the geography, the LVT's actually spawned on the beach, so could resupply immediately without having to travel anywhere. The peculair geography of the P62 port area made this exploit possible whereas it would not be possible at any other port on any other map. The LVT's would have to travel a significant distance, very slowly, thru water, under fire to re-supply any other port.
Zazen
almost every map has some bases, if u put the CV in the
right position, LVTs will spawn on base/land close. its not only p62.
Zaz ,
what they did might have been wong, might not, but that was/is
for HT to decide. what u did was as bad or worse. you should never switch sides and purposely do something to that country to
allow ur main country to capture base, just because u dont like
how they are defending it.
just plain wrong and classless
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That's just cheap. But, the game allows this sort of play.
also allows to switch countries last i checked :aok
just plain wrong and classless
from all the crap ive read about this, these really stand out. attacking zaz for what he did...good on ya. now then, where are your attacks for the exploitation(plain and simple) of the "bug"?
2 wrongs dont make a right. but attacking one guy, who openly admitted what happend, and not the other(s) is crap. and notice, where are the guys who were exploiting? where is their thread to "tell it like it was"?
sure, they were both wrong, but at least one of them had the sac to stand up and tell what went down that fateful night in august. ;)
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At the moment of this happenings bishops were outnumbered two to one on the rook front.
Zazen's action denied the bish access to :
-one Aircraft Carrier
-one battle cruiser
-four destroyers
-bunch of maned guns of all caliber
-some hundred AI controlled AAA
-PT boats
-carrier fighters
--AND THE BLOODY LVT's with their ability to resuply a field
If AH cares about this game should kick this shameless, ignorant guy.:mad:
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"Zazen's action denied the bish access to :
-one Aircraft Carrier
-one battle cruiser
-four destroyers
-bunch of maned guns of all caliber
-some hundred AI controlled AAA
-PT boats
-carrier fighters
--AND THE BLOODY LVT's "
actually slick, he "denied" nothing to the bish, other than spawning the LVTs (with ability to resupply)on to beach...they could still spawn them, just had to drive some...they had the CV, cruiser, destroyers, all manned guns...etc....
he just denied them the exploit they were using, thats all. and funny you left that off the list.
:aok
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Originally posted by Stang
The rooks had no chance to defend the port this way because the CV was away from it. The bish did because it spawned there and was kept there for this purpose. And on a final thought, whoever lead the bish mission to capture the port knew about the exploit and intended to use it to gain the foothold.
1. "The rooks had no chance to defend the port this way because the CV was away from it."
Hmmmm....I guess the Bish would have no way to defend the port until the CV was sunk either. Happen to know the time between the port being taken and the cv being sunk?
2. "...whoever lead the bish mission to capture the port knew about the exploit and intended to use it to gain the foothold."
Foothold? Let's see, a port surrounded by NME bases. Now is that a foothold?
No matter how you look at it two things are true:
1. Rooks not attacking P62 would have resulted in Bish not resupplying it. Do you think we would have left the CV there if the port was not being attacked? Did you think we would have used our mighty foothold by leaving the CV in port and launching a massive air raid from it?
2. Many Bish were tied up at P62. Why not use that to your advantage and attack less defeneded bases?
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Zazen has always been a classless wretch. He gets on ch 200 every night and bashes bishops while he flies cherry picking sorties and avoids real fights. So it is of no great suprise that he would purposefully cheat to hurt bishops despite the fact that at the time rooks had 200+ knights 180ish and bish were 100sh in numbers.
Here is the deal...the cv was of no use to the bish as an attack platform as long as the port was under attack. If the bish were to have used the cv then they would have lost it and the port..at best it was neutral and a type of gv warfare base which had the fun tanktown has.
There was no exploit..the old exploit was the ability to spawn in the water and drop supplies and have them take..that was fixed.
By keeping the cv close to port the bish could spawn on land and run them to the port. There weas no auto supply being done. the rook commanders had lacked the imagination to spawn their own hevy cannon lvt's to the port and prevent this from occurring. They could have done this from the south and north airfields next to the base. but this would have taken coordination and imagination...this was lacking...there were more rooks furballling then bringing ordinance...so be it.
I see the scorepotatos are defending this guy...it is always the way...
Zazen you make me laugh when you talk about "integrity of the game" If there was one person who lacks integrity it would be you and stang. Im sure many of us are poweful men in real life...we do not purposefully try to annoy or piss off people "just because we can"...every night i see the two of you using the "exploit" of a virtual world to be jerks. this is a 2d version of a 3d world without any of the consequences of life. I hope that high tec suprises me by taking action against you and that the moderators do more then just censor upset guys and actually move to make the game more enjoyable. it would be nice to see ch200 become the and nice fight buffer it used to be in air warrior. You two would be kicked out of a skating rink or bar if you behaved in there as you do here.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
What it did that disrupted gameplay was allow a handfull of Bishop exploit bug abusers to unfairly tie up 50+ Rooks for 4+ hours that would have otherwise been beating the hell out of them elsewhere.
Why did 50+ rooks need to be tied up at P62? Was it THAT important? What exactly was the threat?
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Zazen is now a "GOD" in my eyes ...
He pwned the pwners !!!
He out exploited the exploiters !!!
and he posted here for all to see.
And its just way too funny listening to the pwners and exploiters WHINE about Zazens actions.
For all you people calling this cheating ... get fediddlein' real.
Switching sides is not cheating nor is taking control of a CV after the switch ... exploiting a bug on a map ... well thats for HT to decide.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that the map glitch gets fixed asap (just like the Trinity P47 glitch) ... but not allowing one to switch sides and control a CV ... won't see the light of day.