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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zazen13 on August 14, 2005, 10:22:00 PM
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Tonight, Sunday August 14, 2005, Baltic map, Bishops were in control of P62. The CV was killed right by P62 allowing the indefinate and instantaneous launching of re-supply LVT's directly to the port. Whether the CV was dead or alive it was never moved, so was always so close to P62, which resides on a penninsula, that the LVT's could spawn directly to it, drop supplies and exit virtually instantaneously. This was done by Bishops for over 4 hours, while 50+ Rooks tried everything we could conceive of to circumvent the exploit.
When it was determined that there was absolutely no possible way this base could be taken so long as Bishops chose to abuse the re-supply exploit we discussed other options. The 'final solution' as it were, was to have myself, who at the time out-ranked any Bishop to switch to Bishops to gain control of the CV just long enough to remove it from LVT re-supply exploit range. I did not come to this decision alone, it actually wasn't even my idea, Rooks discussed it in comittee and only after exploring absolutely every other possible option. I did this and gave up control once it was just far enough away to prevent LVT's from being able to instantly spawn on P62 and re-supply it.
Obviously, I realised this would make me unpopular but in my opinion maintaining the integrity of gameplay for the other 400 people online superceded the perception of my actions from the Bishop point-of-view. Bishops were actively gloating in private and in public how they were using this exploit to illegitimately maintain control of P62 for that extended period. They were not naive to what they were doing. I did not suicide the CV, nor did I put it in any jeoprady or out of action. I relinquished control immediately after the threat of exploitation was removed and before Rooks actually captured P62. I simply removed it from the range required to perpetuate the exploitation of the re-supply bug. Rooks captured the port within 2 minutes of the LVT re-supply exploit being removed from the equation after trying unsuccessfully for 4+ hours to do so with Bishops abusing the exploit.
Zazen
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So one bug exploit deserves another?
And there is a good reason for cheating?
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Originally posted by BTW
So one bug exploit deserves another?
And there is a good reason for cheating?
Switching countries and controlling task groups is not a bug.
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Well I'm sure those wiggling wires or using packet editors feel the same.
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Originally posted by BTW
So one bug exploit deserves another?
And there is a good reason for cheating?
I'm not sure logic can penetrate your indignance, but I'll try.
1) Does spawning LVTs constitute gameplay, or is it an exploit that detracts from play? You pretty clearly think its the latter, an exploit.
2) Can HT fix the exploit tonight? No. The actions Zazen took neutralized the exploit but otherwise had ABSOLUTELY NO impact on gameplay. In that sense, he corrected what you admit was an eqivalent to "cheating." He became HT's proxy. There is absolutely no similarity to packet editing or wire pulling (which circumvent game rpgramming) -- Zazen stayed 100% in line with what HT designed the game to do.
3) Is changing sides an exploit? NO. It was directly programmed into the game by HTC, and its only "penalty" is 5 hour delay before another switch. In fact, the Bish should be thrilled that a player of Zazen's caliber will fly for them as underdogs.
After all, how much have we heard about the horrors of ebing outnumbered?
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Originally posted by BTW
Well I'm sure those wiggling wires or using packet editors feel the same.
A packet editor eh?? You still convinced someone wrote something to go through every packet and do custom changes on it before sending it back to HTC while in combat?
That is one bright egg right there...
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>>You still convinced someone wrote something to go through every packet and do custom changes on it before sending it back to HTC while in combat?
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This is neither the time nor place for me to instruct you on programming or packet corruption.
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Yeah stick it to the man Zazen!!!
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No I get it Simaril. Its not what's the cheat but *who* the cheat.
I get it - really I do.
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Zazen:
"When it was determined that there was absolutely no possible way this base could be taken so long as Bishops chose to abuse the re-supply exploit we discussed other options. The 'final solution' as it were, was to have myself, who at the time out-ranked any Bishop to switch to Bishops to gain control of the CV just long enough to remove it from LVT re-supply exploit range. I did not come to this decision alone, it actually wasn't even my idea, Rooks discussed it in comittee and only after exploring absolutely every other possible option. I did this and gave up control once it was just far enough away to prevent LVT's from being able to instantly spawn on P62 and re-supply it"
In my 4 yrs of playing in Aces High, I have YET to see an air field, Vbase or Port not be able to be captured!!!
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So basically, Zazen, the Black Knights, and the Rooks got upset that the outnumbered Bish were able to sneak the port away from them and kill their CV. Let me ask you this: what fool other than a newbie is going to move a CV away from a port under attack in this game when it could be used to support its defense? And because the Rooks couldn't capture the base they have to send Zazen to literally steal the CV from the Bish and remove the port's defense? How much lower can you Rooks go??
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Originally posted by MOIL
Zazen:
"When it was determined that there was absolutely no possible way this base could be taken so long as Bishops chose to abuse the re-supply exploit we discussed other options. The 'final solution' as it were, was to have myself, who at the time out-ranked any Bishop to switch to Bishops to gain control of the CV just long enough to remove it from LVT re-supply exploit range. I did not come to this decision alone, it actually wasn't even my idea, Rooks discussed it in comittee and only after exploring absolutely every other possible option. I did this and gave up control once it was just far enough away to prevent LVT's from being able to instantly spawn on P62 and re-supply it"
In my 4 yrs of playing in Aces High, I have YET to see an air field, Vbase or Port not be able to be captured!!!
Well, if you were at P62 tonight, you would have seen your first un-capturable base.
Zazen
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Originally posted by BTW
>>You still convinced someone wrote something to go through every packet and do custom changes on it before sending it back to HTC while in combat?
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This is neither the time nor place for me to instruct you on programming or packet corruption.
LOL like you have any idea.... :rofl
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Moil, I'm surprised you haven't seen the lvt spawn onto the port and resupply continually before. There is no way to stop it because the lvt can drop supplies as soon as it spawns, resupplying the port, and can do this continually for hours on end if the CV is kept at the port.
Killing the CV does nothing because lvt's can still spawn until the cv respawns at the port. When the CV respawns, it's still in resuplly range and the cycle goes on and on and on. There is no way to defeat it if just a few players keep doing lvt runs constantly, which was the case and would have continued to be the case. Drastic measures were needed to counteract the gaminess employed, so we came up with our own gamey strategy to beat it.
The original bish mission to take the port by an noe sneak obvously had this exploit in mind and the goal was to establish a base on rook soil that could not be taken, and used to launch further attacks to win the "war." Why else fly a hundred miles to take a port unless you knew what could be done with it?
The rooks had no chance to use the CV to defend the port in the same manner since it was far away from the the area. All the bish had to do was make sure they killed the CV and they had their gamey advantage.
The whining about what Zazen did by these same bish who were taking advantage of this is so hypocritical it's hysterical. They were gloating about how the port was uncapturable ne second, then crying BS about the whole situation two seconds later saying how unfair it was. LMAO. What Zazen did restored some semblance of decent gameplay to the MA by eliminating the use of the resupply exploit, and I fully stand behind his actions.
HTC is not able to keep their eye on the MA 24/7, and certain things happen occasionally that bring the MA out of balance. This was one of them, it needed to be taken care of, and was.
Oh, and you're right Moil, cause we did get the field from those lousy milking toolshedders in the end hahah.
;)
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Originally posted by MOIL
In my 4 yrs of playing in Aces High, I have YET to see an air field, Vbase or Port not be able to be captured!!!
You must have been asleep in the hull when the vehicle bases didn't have maprooms.
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Originally posted by TW9
WTFGAS (http://www.pwned.nl/)
OMFG AHAHAHA WOOOWOO
QUAH~!!!!!11!!!!
:rofl
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I think it was a dumb thing to do. Zazen seems to be a very good player and helpful to newbies which makes it more awkward. Switching countries for the sole purpose of hurting it smacks of cheating to me. No different than switching countries to shout out on 200 where missions are going or where a particular group of players are, which bases are weak etc.
I think at the time it seemed like a good idea, but in the end it was dumb as its just another exploit that hurts the spirit of the game. I dont think they should hang anyone out to dry over it, but I cant see how its being defended as smart or good.
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It's a sad day for the Rookies when Zazen is the defender of your honor. Does he hold the keys to your chasity belts as well?
Even funnier to think that you guys think two wrongs make a right.
ack-ack
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Comedy Gold! :aok
-- Todd/Leviathn
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WTF does your trying to corrupt packets have to do with the Bish exploiting a bug?
BTW, I loved your performance in the DA the other night. It's always refreshing and warms my heart to hear a grown man scream profanities at another grown man over cartoon airplanes. Your presence in AH is a God-send. :aok
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I thought BTW quit?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Don't you Rooks know any tactics but massive frontal assaults? All you had to do to capture the base was to leave the base alone til the CV and defenders went on their way somewhere else.....but I still can't get over how you chose to literally STEAL the CV so you could take the base. Sad state of affairs when the younger generation has such a weak grasp of ethics.
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Read your own sig, Docc.
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Originally posted by Docc
Don't you Rooks know any tactics but massive frontal assaults? All you had to do to capture the base was to leave the base alone til the CV and defenders went on their way somewhere else.....but I still can't get over how you chose to literally STEAL the CV so you could take the base. Sad state of affairs when the younger generation has such a weak grasp of ethics.
You weren't moving the CV, when I took it over it was set in tight patrol as close to the port as possible. Hell would have frozen over before Bishops moved it...I said nothing when I moved Bishops and started moving it, but as soon as Bishops realized it was moving away from the port, they all started screaming bloody murder. Incidentally, I only had to move it for about 3 minutes for it to be out of exploit range.
Zazen
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>>BTW, I loved your performance in the DA the other night. It's always refreshing and warms my heart to hear a grown man scream profanities at another grown man over cartoon airplanes. Your presence in AH is a God-send.
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You need to catch me when I've had TWO fifths. I'd make your voice change.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It's a sad day for the Rookies when Zazen is the defender of your honor. Does he hold the keys to your chasity belts as well?
Even funnier to think that you guys think two wrongs make a right.
ack-ack
I don't call doing what had to be done to maintain the integrity of this product a 'wrong'. If there was any other possible solution we had not yet tried I was all ears, there was not. When exploitation is permitted to exist indefinately alot of faith is lost in the game and its mechanics. What I did was to restore some of the faith lost in HTC's product which Bishop's unrepentant exploitation temporarily stole.
I care about the integrity of this game, I want it to be successfull, I don't want people quitting out of disgust. It's obvious the Bishops who chose to exploit that bug do not care. I have played this or AW for the past 15 years. There is no other game of this genre that is in the same universe quality of experience wise. I cannot, in good conscience, permit the actions of a few 'griefers' from jeoprodizing HTCs and AH's reputation. I apologize if what I did upset anyone.
Zazen
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>>I thought BTW quit?
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Now why would you possibly think that, Todd? That was a curious thing to say since I never even hinted to that. That is extremely curious how you would even guess something like that.
You have access to account info, because I don't know where you would have got such info? No -I just changed names but am still here. Interesting how you knew.
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Originally posted by BTW
>>I thought BTW quit?
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Now why would you possibly think that, Todd? That was a curious thing to say since I never even hinted to that. That is extremely curious how you would even guess something like that.
You have access to account info, because I don't know where you would have got such info? No -I just changed names but am still here. Interesting how you knew.
Cuz he is teh Lev, king of teh pwn!
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Yea well its something because I told no one I stopped one account and started another. Guess he knows someone.
If I change it again - he gonna know?
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Do two wrongs make a right? I dunno, but 3 lefts do. Seriously, 1stly it is a game, a real fun one, real maddening at times but still it is a game. ( I explained that in case somebody forgot thast point of it being just a game.
Was it gamey to resupply the base in that matter? Can anyone seriously say no? If the rooks left it alone would they move the cv? I doubt it, at least not until they had secured a larger foothold. The base should've been defended better in the first place. But Rook High command was probably busy on another front and left such defense to some unpleasent illiterate ignorant underlings. I say it was a move of brilliance, and should be applauded.
So, how does correct this gamey situation. A direct frontal rook wave assault seems to have failed. Failed for hours on end evidently. Looks like an end around was needed, one was found, agreed upon and executed. In my simple mind Zazens move was also brilliant. Simple in concept and flawlessly executed. Do not forget his own personal distress, he had to dirty himself by switching to the unclean Bish masses and was forced to stay that way for 5 hours before he could be cleansed by the young nubile virtuous Rook virgins. I bet he had a pretty good time listening to Bish channel during this.
I score it 1-1 a tie. Not really right in either case, surely not deserving of all the tongue lashings but sort of humerous.
There my rambling thoughts on the subject....
Now sign off the bbs and pull the gear up, your countries need you.
Arty
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Zazen-- you are the most annoying player of this game, i hope HTC is going to kick you out !
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Originally posted by BTW
I think it was a dumb thing to do. Zazen seems to be a very good player and helpful to newbies which makes it more awkward. Switching countries for the sole purpose of hurting it smacks of cheating to me. No different than switching countries to shout out on 200 where missions are going or where a particular group of players are, which bases are weak etc.
I think at the time it seemed like a good idea, but in the end it was dumb as its just another exploit that hurts the spirit of the game. I dont think they should hang anyone out to dry over it, but I cant see how its being defended as smart or good.
I don't know that it would be defended as "smart or good", it was just a last-ditch idea after trying for hours to rectify an "unconventional" issue with this particular map using "conventional" means. It wasn't done light-heartedly, and it wasn't done alone, but with a lot of input. Maybe HTC will come back tomorrow and tell us a better way to have addressed it, but this seems like about the only solution at the time.
Cya Up!
Dawg
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Originally posted by BTW
Yea well its something because I told no one I stopped one account and started another. Guess he knows someone.
If I change it again - he gonna know?
He already knows what your new ID's gonna be.
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Well he might know what it is. But I find it creepy that he is privy to that info.
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LOL BTW must live in conspiracy theory land... Look out buddy, there are black helicopters everywhere LOL
You only proclaimed you were quitting about 20 times the other night, funny that you keep coming back to tell us how it is
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Er no. I said nothing about quitting.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I don't call doing what had to be done to maintain the integrity of this product a 'wrong'.
Zazen
Regardless if you think it isn't wrong the fact remains it still is wrong. Is their use of a flaw in the LVT spawn point wrong? Yes. Is you switching sides to take control of the CV to prevent others from using it wrong? Yes it was. End of story.
ack-ack
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Ok so there were two wrongs, no rights... I'll concede that. But it was funny and still is =)
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Funny as hell hehe.
:lol
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Not defending Zazen, but I applaud the fact that he at least came out and admitted what he did and explained it. Doesnt make it right, but it nothing makes the LVT resupply thing right either. This has been debated before.
Instead of beating each other up over it here and making public fools of yourselves, if anyone thinks an instance of actual cheating has occured and wants to make real accusations, then you need to email HTC, as you have been directed to by the forum rules. Otherwise, can it and have a laugh at the actions of what can only be termed "gaminess" on both sides.
Rant off. You may return to your regularly scheduled dweeb-fest.
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For what possible reason should we of not done what we did? Why on Earth would we ever give up a base when there was a viable way of keeping it? Fine, we gamed the game. But at least we stayed within the confines of possible gameplay. Switching sides with the soul purpose of removing game assets from your new found team has nothing to do with gameplay. The currect action would of been to document the incident of never ending resupply and take it up with HTC.
And Stang, please stop saying it was in our plan all along to hold the port forever with resupply. It all started with two people calling for supplies once the VH and CV were dead. C63 was actually on a course for escape when it was killed the first time. Only after it was apparent that there was no way to get the CV out of there did we make the effort to hold 62.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Regardless if you think it isn't wrong the fact remains it still is wrong. Is their use of a flaw in the LVT spawn point wrong? Yes. Is you switching sides to take control of the CV to prevent others from using it wrong? Yes it was. End of story.
ack-ack
In your opinion. We'll let HiTech make the final determination on that. Had this exploitation come up during HTC's normal hours of operation, myself or someone else would have called them and allowed them to remedy the situation as they saw fit. Rest assured they would have done 'something'. Most likely they would have taken the map down and reset the arena with a different map while Baltic underwent repairs to the P62 area. Unfortunately, this happened from 5pm to 10pm CST on Sunday night. This forced us to solve the problem in the only way we could. I did not offer to do this, I was chosen to do this by Rooks because I happened to have the Rank to execute it.
Zazen
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Bish pee in the pool so Rooks take the toys away. I needed a good laugh.
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Two things I get out of this thread.
1. Bish cheat
2. Rooks also cheat
Good thing I fly for the Knights, we never cheat. :aok
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Originally posted by BTW
Er no. I said nothing about quitting.
Is it time for the film yet? Oh and thanks for the laughs BTW:aok
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End this now. Both threads are getting way out of hand. Self-censorship is better than enforced HTC censorship.
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>>Is it time for the film yet? Oh and thanks for the laughs BTW<<
You think what I say when I'm drunk is going to embarrass me? My you are young. I guarantee I've done a LOT worse.
Post it . Its not like I get my dates in here.
But I'm pretty sure I didn't say I was quitting. And considering the privacy statement, it made me real curious how Todd would have known that.
Maybe he just guessed or Morph relayed it wrong - I dunno. But It was odd he would know that.
I did feel bad about cursing on the film, no matter how obnoxious Morph was being. It dawned on me in the middle he might be a little obnoxious kid, and I'm pretty sure I said that on the film and stopped cursing
But you post away, and if you get big laughs out of that, I can send you some home movies for a small fee.
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Originally posted by BTW
>>Is it time for the film yet? Oh and thanks for the laughs BTW<<
You think what I say when I'm drunk is going to embarrass me? My you are young. I guarantee I've done a LOT worse.
Post it . Its not like I get my dates in here.
But I'm pretty sure I didn't say I was quitting. And considering the privacy statement, it made me real curious how Todd would have known that.
Maybe he just guessed or Morph relayed it wrong - I dunno. But It was odd he would know that.
I did feel bad about cursing on the film, no matter how obnoxious Morph was being. It dawned on me in the middle he might be a little obnoxious kid, and I'm pretty sure I said that on the film and stopped cursing
But you post away, and if you get big laughs out of that, I can send you some home movies for a small fee.
You musta been REALLY REALLY drunk then! It's not about embarrasing you, I got plenty of my drunk arse flying. My point is you deny saying you wanted to quit when the film says otherwise, thats all I'm sayin. You talked about quiting and daring Morph to turn the film in to get you banned. You said you wanted to get banned and he should do it to save you the time(although you can just hit delete account, takes about 10 secs.) It was pretty funny, and yes morph is young, I'm only a little older than him. My 14th birthday is coming up sept. 2nd!
And are you still drunk?
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Sorry I missed the party tonight, was at work defending our real country (those of us in the United States).
Based on what I read here on the boards it appears to me that the Bishops captured a base that was in effect totally useless once the CV is moved away. I also picked up that the base did not pose any threat to the Rook forces as far as capturing any other bases unless the CV was moved away. Then when moved away the base could be easily captured.
My question is, why all the fuss over a useless base? Why dedicate 50+ players to trying to recapture the base if it is useless? Was it rook pride that was hurt when the Bishops NOE attacked and captured it in the first place? Surely the knight horde could have used an extra 50+ targets to make their gameplay more interesting.
Seems to me, by the writings ive read, if you ignored it and attacked elswhere all of this could have been avoided. Yet you let pride and arrogance rule your line of thinking.
This all was most likely unavoidable.
Muttman
Sick Puppies
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>>And are you still drunk?<<
No, not tonight. But if what you say is true, that explains a lot (like the posted pictures making fun of children with handicaps). I shouldn't have cursed like that. I picture mostly adults playing, and thats pretty much why I went off on him. When you think of an adult being so obnoxious it infuriating. With a kid, you can understand it.
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I cannot, in good conscience, permit the actions of a few 'griefers' from jeoprodizing HTCs and AH's reputation. I apologize if what I did upset anyone.
Nice to know your on the HT payroll and can make these judjment calls.Nice to see also that the BK'gave up sheep and found a potato to do their dirty work.:aok
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Originally posted by elc7367b
Sorry I missed the party tonight, was at work defending our real country (those of us in the United States).
Based on what I read here on the boards it appears to me that the Bishops captured a base that was in effect totally useless once the CV is moved away. I also picked up that the base did not pose any threat to the Rook forces as far as capturing any other bases unless the CV was moved away. Then when moved away the base could be easily captured.
My question is, why all the fuss over a useless base? Why dedicate 50+ players to trying to recapture the base if it is useless? Was it rook pride that was hurt when the Bishops NOE attacked and captured it in the first place? Surely the knight horde could have used an extra 50+ targets to make their gameplay more interesting.
Seems to me, by the writings ive read, if you ignored it and attacked elswhere all of this could have been avoided. Yet you let pride and arrogance rule your line of thinking.
This all was most likely unavoidable.
Muttman
Sick Puppies
Bishops actually owned bases all around it for quite some time and were using the CV to send support. Leaving the CV there unmolested was not an option they were sending planes from it continuously. Keep in mind our HQ and our principle strats are barely over 1 sector from P62.
Zazen
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Originally posted by DrDea
Nice to know your on the HT payroll and can make these judjment calls.Nice to see also that the BK'gave up sheep and found a potato to do their dirty work.:aok
I'm old school, as a member of the community, I am responsible for doing my part to maintain its integrity. Had Rooks been abusing the same bug I would have moved the Rook's CV.
Keep in mind HTC operates on a pretty thin margin by my math. We only pay 15 bucks each, there can't be more than 3000'ish paying accounts. That's only 45 grand a month. They have at least 3 programmers to pay, other office staff, an office, servers, and network infrastructure to buy. Do the math, if we all piss on the integrity of this game and even 25% get disgusted and leave HiTech may find it's no longer worthwile to provide this for us. Do you want that? I know I don't...
Zazen
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That was information I did not pick up in other writings or simply missed. Still seems rather silly to me all the effort involved and the complaining it brought about. I disagree with your method and have never experienced the resupply bug from either end.
I respect the fact that you defend your position and acknowledge your right to do so but again, I disagree with your methods. Probably doesnt mean anything to you but its my right to disagree and will despise you just the same.:D
Muttman
Sick Puppies
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Somehow an already hilarious thread became even funnier. How is this possible? Thanks, BTW!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Then why not just wait till the AM to say something to HT about it?What gives you the right to make a decision on the game play?Do you feel that your score makes you more impartant than anyone else in the community?Cause it sure sounds to me like you felt you had the right to do so.I flew AW also,and I never saw this type of crap.It was more readily seen letting someone go home bingo with you on their 6 as a courtousy,no honor involved at all in this mess and nobody had the right to do what happened.When HT pays you to make the decisions for them them kudos to you,till then,let THEM make the gameplay decisions.
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Originally posted by DrDea
Then why not just wait till the AM to say something to HT about it?What gives you the right to make a decision on the game play?Do you feel that your score makes you more impartant than anyone else in the community?Cause it sure sounds to me like you felt you had the right to do so.I flew AW also,and I never saw this type of crap.It was more readily seen letting someone go home bingo with you on their 6 as a courtousy,no honor involved at all in this mess and nobody had the right to do what happened.When HT pays you to make the decisions for them them kudos to you,till then,let THEM make the gameplay decisions.
Or how about Bishops just stopped cheating and abusing the bug as they were knowingly doing? That would have been a very simple and honorable solution would it not?
This bug ruined my own squadnight, it ruined the fun for alot of Rooks and made alot of Bishops look really pathetic. The negative repercussions of me moving the CV and the MA going back to normal was far, far less than allowing cheating Bishops to continue to ruin the evening for 200+ people. The good of the many out-weigh the good of the few cheaters.
As I said before, had this happened when HTC staff were readily available during their regular hours of operation we would have appealed to them, and they would have reset the arena to a new map. It happened Sunday night, no other solution was forthcoming, and Bishop's abusing the bug for 4+ hours and gloating about it on 200 became intolerable. We found a solution and executed it. The rest is history.
Zazen
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Sad...pathetic even. :rolleyes:
I had a lot of respect for BKs...however, not much at the moment.
Stang - Zazen...every map in here has quirks. Sometimes your corner of the map won't have easy routes to re-sup HQ. Sometimes it may not have a high-alt base. Sometimes you get lucky and have a corner that is nearly impossible to reset. We all play the hand that is delt.
I would say that if this "exploit" was a known problem, you guys should have done a better job of protecting the port and the CV.
I would also say that if Rooks had been patient enough, the CV would have eventually moved from the port, giving you an opportunity to retake the base without having to resort to an actions the community obviously feels was wrong. If the CV was not being used by the Bish, then its denial to the Rooks was only an irritation in the same way that a hidden CV is an irritation. P62 is too remote to use effectively to capture bases and at best the Bish might have been able to harrass some near bases with short range CV fiters...not much of a threat.
I don't call what you did "cheating"...but it was unethical. It really was no different than if you had moved a hidden CV into harms way, regardless of the platitudes you may try to use to convence us all otherwise. There was a lot of disapproving chatter on the Knit side about your actions. And it led to Knits concentrating more on Rooks afterwards, which ended up costing Rooks 6 bases in 2 hours.
I do think HTC should do something about both issues. Map quirks should be fixed if possible. But I am more concerned about protecting the community from unethical behavior since that is really the greatest danger to the reputation and integrity of the game (and I wish something could be done about the unethical behavior of multiple accounts for spying, but that is probably too difficult). I think it would be good if HTC would set it up so that country changers cannot take control of CV assets for 5hrs after a switch. Hopefully, that is something that can be put into effect quickly.
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Originally posted by BTW
I think it was a dumb thing to do. Zazen seems to be a very good player and helpful to newbies which makes it more awkward. Switching countries for the sole purpose of hurting it smacks of cheating to me. No different than switching countries to shout out on 200 where missions are going or where a particular group of players are, which bases are weak etc.
I did nothing to hurt Bishops, I did not relay any information. All I did was prevent Bishops from continuing to cheat. As soon as I put an end to the cheating I relinquished control of the CV. I did not suicide the CV, I did not remove it from action, I released the CV as soon as it was sufficiently distant from P62 that it could not spawn LVT's directly to it for instantaneous regeneration of the port, I released the CV before Rooks even captured P62.
If anything I helped Bishops retain what little honor they had remaining after knowingly abusing a bug exploit for 4+ hours. I literally saved you from yourselves. You should be thanking me for exercising the good judgement you yourselves lacked the moral integrity to do yourselves.
Zazen
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Originally posted by crowMAW
I would also say that if Rooks had been patient enough, the CV would have eventually moved from the port, giving you an opportunity to retake the base without having to resort to an actions the community obviously feels was wrong. If the CV was not being used by the Bish, then its denial to the Rooks was only an irritation in the same way that a hidden CV is an irritation. P62 is too remote to use effectively to capture bases and at best the Bish might have been able to harrass some near bases with short range CV fiters...not much of a threat.
The CV was not being moved, it was being kept very deliberately within exploit range. P62 is 1 sector away from our HQ and other important strats and was being used to launch aircraft throughout the entire ordeal. Leaving it alone was not an option, and Bishops were not abusing the bug to simply deny us use of the CV, they were continuously launching from it. Having a Bishop CV and port that far behind our lines that close to our HQ was not an option.
Zazen
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As 1 of the ehem affending bish LVT2's that was resuping the base I would like to point out that we were not just uping and dumping sups on the beach. We spawned on the shore and had what I would estimate to be about a 3 to 5 minuit drive to the base where we would then drop the sups. I would like to also point out that at many bases if not all, if you can get the cv close enough to land your lvt will spawn on land, just that usually the CV never gets close enough.
I really don't know what the big deal was about that base anyway we really couldn't do anything with it. If we moved the cv it would just die and so would the port so we decided to have fun with it, and it was fun.
Some of us got to land a few kills in our LVT2's and on the ocation that the VH did pop up we would pop out with some ostys. But for the most part we were handing out some easy kills for you rooks I mean come on LVT2's vs 110's, 38's and other such planes. My rank probably is gonna look like crap tomorrow not that it was great :) but it was fun. And when the CV came up there was a brief furball untill the CV was sunk again.
If I was on the other side of things I would have been content to kill some easy targets or have a lil furball but if I just HAD to have that base I either would have upped with enough force to to hit the LVT's at the spawn (3 to 5 min away from base) there by cutting the supply chain and I don't mean the pathetic showing of 1 to 2 110's a couple of 38's, 190's and wave after wave of 24's and lancs stragling in that I saw there. Although there was 1 large mission of 110's that came in that was nice to see but they had bad timing and happened to come right after the VH popped and we had our ostys out. To do this would have requiered a large organized group of heavy attack planes because the were lots of us popping up for once the bish were working togeather in a large #. :)
Then.. and the timing would have had to have been perfect the field would have needed to be dropped and troops dropped in. Would have been a hard thing to pull off for anyone I'll admit but With the right #'s and coordination I think it could have worked.
The other option and probably the easiest one would have been to just stop attacking the port. Let us get bored and we probably would have gone somewhere else to find our fun and eventually the CV would most likelly been moved off to attack some base or other then you could have hit the port and sunk the CV at some other oppertune time.
But as it was what happened there Really reminded me of my 2 boys.
Say the youngest boy has a toy and is having great fun with said toy and the older boy really wants the toy but his brother won't give it to him. So what does the older boy do to rectify the situation? He thows a fit and starts screaming and yelling at the younger brother while pulling with all his might at the toy untill he finally yanks it from little brothers hands and walks away satified that he got what he wanted. (At least till mom and dad get ahold of him. :) )
Zazen maybe what we bish were doing could have been viewed as bing a little gamey, I don't think it was. We were just having fun.
But what you did was a blatent missuse of the game (being able to change sides) and of your rank. I see on your post that you seem to think you were preserving the integrity of the game but I would like to know when HiTech and crew made you the local sherrif? This is HiTechs game not yours if you had a problem you should have gone through the propper channels IE Email/Call in the supposed problem.
I'm not for you getting kicked out of the game afterall this might have been just a case of poor judgement brought on by frustration but I do think your rank shoud be locked at around say 9000 or so for a while, kinda like sending you to the corner for time out.
Anyway I hadent intended on this post being so long so sorry to all you guys who don't like to read. :) This is just how I feel about the situation and it's in HiTechs hands now. <> all and good night.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
P62 is 1 sector away from our HQ and other important strats and was being used to launch aircraft throughout the entire ordeal.
Yes...such a danger to HQ and strats if they'ed launched a B5N2 raid! :lol
And I'm sure they were launching aircraft to protect the CV and base...whatcha think?
But keep paddling...maybe you will find some weak-minded noob who will believe. Lets all clap...if everyone claps, then Zazen's reputation will come back to life!
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INconceivable!
Jokes aside, this is just another reason to remove the annoying land grab out of the whole game.
Except for the odd VH here and there, what is the point of killing things that don't even shoot back?
On second thought, I'm staying out of this...
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Originally posted by Flayed1
I'm not for you getting kicked out of the game afterall this might have been just a case of poor judgement brought on by frustration but I do think your rank shoud be locked at around say 9000 or so for a while, kinda like sending you to the corner for time out.
I STRONGLY agree with this!!! Take his rank up to 9000, he'll be the laughing stock of the MA! I think we should raise Stangs to at least 13000 for not havin the guts to do it himself and being a little anklehumper to Zazen. Raise the scores, RAISE THEM I SAY!!!!
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Zazen calm down,
what you gonna say when tommorow one of rooks use exploit and ruin other players squadnight?
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LTV's spawn to shore or just off if the CV is within range near any shore field. LTV's don't (anywhere that Im aware of) spawn on a field. That is the way it is designed to work.
Originally posted by hitech
And since when did playing the game as designed become "gaming the game"?
HiTech
Your claim of spawn, open door, drop supplies is bogus. The opportunity to cut the supply line was there.
Originally posted by Zazen13
It's really weird being on Knights after flying for Rooks. Noone says anything, nobody is typing any information on country or range channel. There's almost no communication whatsoever. I'm Rooks because of all my long-time friends are on Rooks. But, I'd want to be Rooks anyways, numbers or not. You just can't put a price on great teamwork, mutual support and communication, it has a pronounced 'amplification' effect on everyone's performance.
So teamwork is a great thing unless someone else is using it. If so just send someone to trump the teamwork by taking away the teams asset.
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Zazen - "I'm old school, as a member of the community, I am responsible for doing my part to maintain its integrity"
So you switch sides grab the CV run it away form the port, you realize how insane that sounds?
Intergrity my ARSE.
Would rank up along with 4 guys switching sides to man the 5" acks so they couldn't be used against incoming buffs/jabos.
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this has be re-hashed before.
Originally posted by FuBaR
dear HTC take this stupid ack exploit away please...how are we supposed to take a port if ack comes up in 30 seconds?
You have successfully made an ingame cheat for lamers and " game gamers" to use....
Please do something about this
At the time, you could drop supplies in the water, and as long as you were within' 1500' of the base it would "count".
Here is HiTech's reply to it. (BTW thread is HERE (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136279&highlight=resupply+AND+port))
Originally posted by hitech
Sounds like there isn't a bug,
What ended up happening is that HT changed it so supplies can no longer be dropped off in the water. Was changed for 2.0 patch #4 Link (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136964)
He obviously had no issue with resupplying the port (VH, Field, etc, etc) with LVT's from a CV. It is part of the game, designed to happen that way, and neither a bug, nor an exploit.
Changing from Rook to Bish and using your low rank to move a CV to help out the Rooks is distasteful. I have given this some thought, and feel that Zazen was out of line on this. What is really disheartening is that it was done by "committee". I am truly saddened that no Rook stood up and explained to their countrymen just how wrong that was.
As was stated prior, there are no "uncapturable" bases, and the Bishops were not exploiting a "bug" or anything at all, they were being smart. They were neither "cheating" nor "exploiting" a "port supply bug".
Once I was defending a VBase from a nme CV with 4-5 others. The nme LVT's were spawning right on shore, and they had 4-5 guys spawning LVT's and dropping set after set of troops. Must have been a couple hundred troops running towards the map room. They ended up capturing the field, as we just couldn't shoot all the troops before they went into the maproom. Was that an exploit? No. Were they cheating? Again no. Should I have changed sides, and moved their CV away to protect my VH? Oh heck no, that would be bad form on my part.
Probably, the Rooks should have just stopped attacking that port, waited for it's CV to steam off, and took it. Hope HT chimes in on this, and gives us 2 cents on the matter.
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If you guys had paused for a moment and thought about it you would of realized something. Us keeping the CV near 62 makes the CV useless. Yeah, we're going to go off and blast HQ, gimme a break. But then if you guys had left it alone and we moved it out to attack A61 maybe, it could of been killed by one of those dive bombing B24s you guys seemed to like to much today. Then one of those well timed attacks, you know teamwork, could of captured P62.
So basically, that CV and port were useless. You all were upset it was locking up 50+ Rooks. Then why not stop attacking it? Or maybe your fellow Rooks were having fun with the fight. So what if you weren't going to take the base, it was still a great fight. And then there was something about being annoyed at people boasting on 200. Then why not turn off 200 for a little bit? Or squelch the ones talking the most perhaps. I know these are wild ideas I'm putting out but stay with me.
The only way that CV was a threat to anything was if nobody was available to shoot down all the lightning quick heavy F4Us. By attacking it in such a heavy consistent way, you only forced more Bish to join the supply train. The bigger the attacks that were repulsed, the more people thought it was funny and the more showed up. Thanks for the good fight Rooks. It was fun until that one thing happened.
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I don't need to use any details or type a huge post. All I want to say is that:
Switching sides to move a CV away so that a port can be captured - lame, cheap, and pretty much a "spy" or "traitor".
Hope they take your name away.
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Zazen:
Well, if you were at P62 tonight, you would have seen your first un-capturable base.
I'm sure AH would have collapsed on itself and the world would have stopped spining:rolleyes:
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^ what sigma said
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The simple fix to this is if you change sides, your rank resets and you must re-build your rank. You wouldn't lose perk points, but you would lose your rank.
That would solve a lot of problems.
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Originally posted by Docc
Don't you Rooks know any tactics but massive frontal assaults? All you had to do to capture the base was to leave the base alone til the CV and defenders went on their way somewhere else.....
AMEN!!!
This is what I was saying the whole time the words were flying on 200 after Zazen took the cv.
Heck, with so many Bish tied up "exploiting" P62's "bug", you would think that the rest of the Bish fields would be easy pickings. Was this discussed in the "Committee meetings" Zazen claims the rooks had concerning P62? I think not.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
This bug ruined my own squadnight, it ruined the fun for alot of Rooks and made alot of Bishops look really pathetic. The negative repercussions of me moving the CV and the MA going back to normal was far, far less than allowing cheating Bishops to continue to ruin the evening for 200+ people. The good of the many out-weigh the good of the few cheaters.
How the hell did this ruin anyone's gameplay? With so many Bish tied up at P62 you would think that your gameplay would be better with less to defend the other Bish bases.
Your pride got hurt, plain and simple.
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lol wow, I thought I'd be nice and not do anything with that film. I thought I was being nice by doing just that. Nothing.
Seeing as you asked for it.
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Few more things.
Changing sides to take control of a CV is not cheating.
Zazen was already unpopular before he switched.
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This exact situation happened to the Bishops not too long ago.
No one claimed the other country was "cheating". No one claimed that there was a "bug" in the program.
They went away for a 1/2 hour and took the base back with a mission, found the CV 20 minutes later and captured it.
No one set themselves up to be a un-official game policeman and switched sides to take control of the CV.
I have run resupplys from CVs to airfields where you spawn so close to field, all you have to do is drop the supplys.
This time a bad decision was made.
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you Zazen13 whoever says what you did was cheating or wrong is stupid. The simple thing is it had to be done.
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Originally posted by TW9
WTFGAS (http://www.pwned.nl/)
OMFG WOOOOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOOOQUAH!!!!!111oneone1!!111!!!
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Z, What you did was wrong. Plain and simple. No soup for you! Back of the line!
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I have played this or AW for the past 15 years. There is no other game of this genre that is in the same universe quality of experience wise. I cannot, in good conscience, permit the actions of a few 'griefers' from jeoprodizing HTCs and AH's reputation. I apologize if what I did upset anyone.
Zazen
Man... that's pretty pompous. Anyway... just a question. Can't you sink everything? Doesn't that take care of the spawn points or do they stay forever?
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how is resuppling a field exploiting a bug? Bit of a stretch there isn't it?
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I have not had the chance to read all the messages so dont know if this has been touched on . Maybe the Bish were exploiting a weak spot in the game.
Zazen, you have provided an excellent write up on using the osti to kill vulchers. In your write up, you support towering out just as you see someone target you with a bomb. Is that not also gaming the game? If were going to take measures to stop one sort of gameness why then do you propose and support another form by towering out. Its late for me, hope this is a coherent messasge.
Just food for thought.
Muttman
Sick Puppies
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
Man... that's pretty pompous. Anyway... just a question. Can't you sink everything? Doesn't that take care of the spawn points or do they stay forever?
LVT's spawn after the CV and cruiser are dead. As many LVT's as you want, with whatever you want on them. And sinking the entire Task Group only causes it to almost instantly respawn right there at the port, starting the whole thing over again. So the answer is NO, sinking everything does NOT take care of the the spawn points for any length of time. And LVT resupply instantly rebuilds port AAA. No matter how dead the port is, even if EVERYTHING is flat, LVT resupply brings port AAA up immediately. So no matter how dead the port AND the Task Group are, you cannot take it.
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Originally posted by elc7367b
I have not had the chance to read all the messages so dont know if this has been touched on . Maybe the Bish were exploiting a weak spot in the game.
Zazen, you have provided an excellent write up on using the osti to kill vulchers. In your write up, you support towering out just as you see someone target you with a bomb. Is that not also gaming the game? If were going to take measures to stop one sort of gameness why then do you propose and support another form by towering out. Its late for me, hope this is a coherent messasge.
Just food for thought.
Muttman
Sick Puppies
The bish were exploiting a flaw in the game that allows a port to be constantly resupplied from a Task Group via LVT's, regardless of the condition of the port or the Task Group. The LVT resupply keeps the port AAA up regardless of the condition of the port base or the Task Group, rendering the port uncaptureable so long as a few people keep spawning LVT's endlessly.
Regarding an osti towering out if a bomb is dropped on it, towering out takes the osti out of the game, at least for a few seconds, and permanently if the VH is dead. All towering out does is prevent the bomb dropper from getting a kill, just like a ditch does with a plane. Either way, the osti is out of the game for the same amount of time. Not so for the port AAA with never ending Task Group resupply.
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By the way, I think both the Task Group/port resupply exploit AND side switching exploits should be removed ASAP, at the same time. As should the "ability'' to "hide" a Task Group.
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If the abilities to spawn was removed while the CV is dead, and the CV has a time limit to live after its port is killed, then it respawns as the country who owns the port, both problems would be solved. Actually hunting a CV can be fun. We did it last week when the enemy hid our cv. We (Nightmares) sent out search patterns looking for it. We found it, but my B26s ran out of fuel about a 1/2 sector from it. So I reupped in B24s. The other guys made attacks as well, sinking the CA but the AA gunner was good and we had to work for it. The CV was 7-8 sectors from a friendly base. It took us 2 hours to get it back.
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So captain why couldn't you all just leave it along for about 20-30 min and let it move away from the port? Sorry just don't see how resuppling a field is a bug or exploit.
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If the place suks go find another fight.
They would be leftd with noone to attack them , wich would make them bored in the end.
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So this is what happened, the Rooks bash their heads against a wall for 4 hours trying to capture a base then decide by committee no less that the only way to take it is to cheat. That figures.
IMO This is what the Knights would have done, we would have left just enough guys at the port to keep the bish busy then we would have used the 4 hours to capture all the other bases and win the reset. Badda boom badda bing. War over! :aok
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Originally posted by parker00
So captain why couldn't you all just leave it along for about 20-30 min and let it move away from the port? Sorry just don't see how resuppling a field is a bug or exploit.
parker did you read the whole thing? they kept it there just to spawn on land drop supplies and .ef thus making ack come back up even if it was jsut takin down. they didnt drive to the base and drop them they put the fleet as close as they could so when they spawn they are on thier field.
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I think it's hilarious that Bish took a base, made it uncapturable, and then rubbed it in everyone's face. I also find it hilarious that Zazen one-upped them. The whinestorm that ensued from both acts of heroic gaminess deserves note in the annals of Aces High. Well done, everyone! Bravo!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by BTW
Well he might know what it is. But I find it creepy that he is privy to that info.
Obviusly he is using his packet editor to do that. He said on squad forum that next time you log on, he will use his packet aditor to change the log on packet to a cancel account request. :rofl
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I'm old school, as a member of the community, I am responsible for doing my part to maintain its integrity. Zazen
LOL
Says who....???? somewhat delusional IMO.
You had the score (power) to swing stuff the way you wanted.............you used it.
Integrity?
You argue that it was a in a "just cause"...............
But you used such score (power) innappropriately just the same........ there is no integrity in this.
Both bish tactics and the rook solution seem pretty pathetic to me...........
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :lol
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As AKAK said...2 wrongs don't make it right. period.
And I'm not convinced what the Bish were doing is wrong.
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IMO, what the guys on the Bishop's did was far from wrong, or "gaming the game" so to speek. What they did was simply defending their base in the best way they could with what they were given.
However, someone switching sides and doing what Zazen has admitted to doing lacks integrity and fairness of play in every aspect. I would have much more respected an apology than this poor defense.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Tonight, Sunday August 14, 2005, Baltic map
Zazen
It's actually Mindoano map not Baltic, sorry for the confusion.
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Brilliant Move!!! When conventional forces can't get the job done, go with the unconventional.
Way to think outside the box!!!!:aok
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>>In my 4 yrs of playing in Aces High, I have YET to see an air field, Vbase or Port not be able to be captured!!!<<
I have on many ocassions, and it usually had to do with some aspect of gameplay which needed to be fixed; until the problems were fixed, there were too many who would exploit the problem.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
LVT resupply instantly rebuilds port AAA. No matter how dead the port is, even if EVERYTHING is flat, LVT resupply brings port AAA up immediately. So no matter how dead the port AND the Task Group are, you cannot take it.
no it doesnt, it takes 8 resupply drops to bring up just like other strats.
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Originally posted by whels
no it doesnt, it takes 8 resupply drops to bring up just like other strats.
Yup, VH was coming up 10 seconds or less after being dropped...
Zazen
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Zazen, what you did, changing countries and take control of a CV, was well with in the scope of the GAME and what the Bish were doing, (spawning) using a function that High Tech programmed into the game, was also well with in the scope of the GAME. That was a very good move on your part, I salute you. However, you and the rest of the pompous jerks that have to justify your actions by WHINING, saying that the Bish were wrong, they were taking advantage of the game, it’s unfair, the Bish are cheating. You are all a bunch of WHINING Hypocrite’s. I know I’m well over the age of 21 and I know many many more players that are well over 21. I don’t know you or your age, if you under 21 this may help, if your over 21 then get a grip. Why don’t you step up to the plate, admit that your move was tactical, just as what the Bish were doing was tactical. Your all shallow and immature if you have to justify a well conceived tactical move by WHINING and throwing accusations that what the Bish were doing was wrong but what you did was right. Both actions, spawning and changing countries are programmed into the game, no one was taking advantage of the game or cheating. By the way, it’s a GAME, play and have fun, life’s to short and never filled with enough fun.
DWaves
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In my 4 yrs of playing in Aces High, I have YET to see an air field, Vbase or Port not be able to be captured!!!<<
Really? wow I've seen several. Most of them were in the begining of AH2 beta and were due to a map bug.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yup, VH was coming up 10 seconds or less after being dropped...
Zazen
field supps doesnt repair hangers, only AA, fuel, Ammo, Troops, and Dar.
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Zazen:
After reading this BBS for years now, I have never seen a person freely admit to a deed that would be received with such an outcry of foulplay. It is a stand up thing to do, and in my mind implies that you knew it was somehow fundamentally wrong to do it. Usually, it takes a good man to know right from wrong, and requires a difficult decision to right a wrong, by engaging in a wrong to correct a situation.
It is frustrating to be in situations like the one described, and can only be relieved by an extreme act to wipe the smarmy grins off the faces of those who willingly exploit a problem in the game; it doesn't happen very often. IMO you did a service for the community, and hopefully this won't have to happen again.
We know side switching jumping has gone on for many years in this game, and for less altruistic reasons, and none who would admit to doing it in this forum. So, a salute to you for doing it, I am sure the HT staff will address it as soon as they can.
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>>Fine, we gamed the game. But at least we stayed within the confines of possible gameplay. <<
Now that is one big, fat, juicy rationalization if I ever heard one :rofl
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:rofl :rofl that is awesome!!:aok :rofl
now then...shame on you...both.:cool:
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Originally posted by Zazen13
. The 'final solution' as it were, was to have myself, who at the time out-ranked any Bishop to switch to Bishops to gain control of the CV just long enough to remove it from LVT re-supply exploit range. I did not come to this decision alone, it actually wasn't even my idea, Rooks discussed it in comittee and only after exploring absolutely every other possible option. I did this and gave up control once it was just far enough away to prevent LVT's from being able to instantly spawn on P62 and re-supply it.
Zazen, I have grounded my children for such behavior.
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>>I disagree with your methods. Probably doesnt mean anything to you but its my right to disagree and will despise you just the same.<<
Your position would carry more weight if you had despised and disagreed with those who employed the bug at P-62 to their advantage. :lol
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Originally posted by DWaves
Zazen, what you did, changing countries and take control of a CV, was well with in the scope of the GAME and what the Bish were doing, (spawning) using a function that High Tech programmed into the game, was also well with in the scope of the GAME. That was a very good move on your part, I salute you. However, you and the rest of the pompous jerks that have to justify your actions by WHINING, saying that the Bish were wrong, they were taking advantage of the game, it’s unfair, the Bish are cheating. You are all a bunch of WHINING Hypocrite’s. I know I’m well over the age of 21 and I know many many more players that are well over 21. I don’t know you or your age, if you under 21 this may help, if your over 21 then get a grip. Why don’t you step up to the plate, admit that your move was tactical, just as what the Bish were doing was tactical. Your all shallow and immature if you have to justify a well conceived tactical move by WHINING and throwing accusations that what the Bish were doing was wrong but what you did was right. Both actions, spawning and changing countries are programmed into the game, no one was taking advantage of the game or cheating. By the way, it’s a GAME, play and have fun, life’s to short and never filled with enough fun.
DWaves
WOW ... his first post and what a doozy it was ... couldn't have said it any better myself.
I sit here reading this thread ... pissing my pants.
Bishops stumble upon an exploit. Zazen goes undercover in the dark of the night escorted by Navy Seals. He covertly sneaks onto the CV and make his way to the bridge. He kills everyone on the bridge except the guy steering the boat and orders him, with a .45 to his temple, to move the CV from the port.
Too fediddlein' funny ... :rofl
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yup, VH was coming up 10 seconds or less after being dropped...
Zazen
BS!
I for one was waiting for the VH to pop up and I know it did not take 10 seconds to pop after it was dropped.
If so, don't you think we sould have had more Osti's out than we did?
Don't mislead...it was not up 10 seconds after being dropped...nowhere near it.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
WOW ... his first post and what a doozy it was ... couldn't have said it any better myself.
I sit here reading this thread ... pissing my pants.
Bishops stumble upon an exploit. Zazen goes undercover in the dark of the night escorted by Navy Seals. He covertly sneaks onto the CV and make his way to the bridge. He kills everyone on the bridge except the guy steering the boat and orders him, with a .45 to his temple, to move the CV from the port.
Too fediddlein' funny ... :rofl
I figured it out! Slapshot is actually Tom Clancy in shades! :cool:
Zazen
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Originally posted by whels
field supps doesnt repair hangers, only AA, fuel, Ammo, Troops, and Dar.
Either p62 is more bugged than we think or you are mistaken about the VH there...I'm guesstimating at the 10 seconds, but it sure as hell wasn't 15 minutes between VH repsawn.
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I am truely amazed that HT staff has allowed this thread to continue at all! HT has clearly established procedures in place that dictate how an accusation of CHEATING is to be addressed. I believed that it was a violation of the rules to claim anybody was cheating in any forum on this BBS. I must have counted at least twenty instances where someone has claimed that cheating has happened. Zazen, I believe it is now up to you to convince HT that somebody had cheated and not attempt to convince the entire AH community as most of us really don't care what you think happened as your own admission of your conduct is just as suspect. I prefer to leave it in the hands of those who are charged with the responsibility of conduct in the game rather than let others dispense their own form of justice.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
BOP Golden Eagles
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Originally posted by BTW
Well I'm sure those wiggling wires or using packet editors feel the same.
I smell crap. Or is that the stench of a mediocre "pilot".:D
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There is no cheating involved dipchits.
The only way HT is going to lock this thread is if I start getting out of line and insult your mothers, sisters, brothers, stepdads, stepmoms, aunts ancles and everyone else who gave birth and or provided the genes/education nessary to make such moronic individuals such as yourselves who get their thongs even further up their *** over a freakin game, more so a stupid little imaginary port with a CV attached to it.
You have no lives.
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Zazen has always been a classless wretch. He gets on ch 200 every night and bashes bishops while he flies cherry picking sorties and avoids real fights. So it is of no great suprise that he would purposefully cheat to hurt bishops despite the fact that at the time rooks had 200+ knights 180ish and bish were 100sh in numbers.
Here is the deal...the cv was of no use to the bish as an attack platform as long as the port was under attack. If the bish were to have used the cv then they would have lost it and the port..at best it was neutral and a type of gv warfare base which had the fun tanktown has.
There was no exploit..the old exploit was the ability to spawn in the water and drop supplies and have them take..that was fixed.
By keeping the cv close to port the bish could spawn on land and run them to the port. There weas no auto supply being done. the rook commanders had lacked the imagination to spawn their own hevy cannon lvt's to the port and prevent this from occurring. They could have done this from the south and north airfields next to the base. but this would have taken coordination and imagination...this was lacking...there were more rooks furballling then bringing ordinance...so be it.
I see the scorepotatos are defending this guy...it is always the way...
Zazen you make me laugh when you talk about "integrity of the game" If there was one person who lacks integrity it would be you and stang. Im sure many of us are poweful men in real life...we do not purposefully try to annoy or piss off people "just because we can"...every night i see the two of you using the "exploit" of a virtual world to be jerks. this is a 2d version of a 3d world without any of the consequences of life. I hope that high tec suprises me by taking action against you and that the moderators do more then just censor upset guys and actually move to make the game more enjoyable. it would be nice to see ch200 become the and nice fight buffer it used to be in air warrior. You two would be kicked out of a skating rink or bar if you behaved in there as you do here.
Either you have character or you don't...I can't give it to you...
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We are all ignoring the obvious question....
You are going to stay BISH..... Right?
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Obviously, I realised this would make me unpopular
ROFL, Zazen. Did you think you were popular with the Bish and Knights before this? :)
On topic:
Cant say I have a problem with the Bish exploiting the resupply bug or Zazen switching to move the CV. Its a game, in the end does it really matter?