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Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Citabria on August 15, 2005, 11:40:36 PM: this is the wing of my P-51D Big Beautiful Doll. ammo hatch doors and aileron and fuel cap not shaded yet but rest of wing is.

I tried to make everything very subdued to blend together. should I make it more contrasting and pronounced with heavier shading or is this more realistic subtle like it presently is?

first time trying metal effects so any help is welcome.

(http://members.cox.net/p38fester/p51D%20wing%20test.jpg)
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Cobra412 on August 16, 2005, 12:10:44 AM: One thing about the mustangs wings is they were painted with yellow chromate and silver paint. The only natural metal on the wings were the flaps and ailerons.
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Citabria on August 16, 2005, 06:04:02 AM: hehe will just have to make the ailerons look more like aluminum then! :) looking at that wing again it dosnt quite look aluminum to me yet but it does pass the mustard as aluminum paint :D

probably make theflaps and ailerons darker with more contrast or somthing not sure yet.
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Stratocaster on August 16, 2005, 08:14:09 AM: Looks good, but maybe a little to blue?
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: SkyChimp on August 16, 2005, 08:16:51 AM: Yea i think its a little too blue.:p
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Mustaine on August 16, 2005, 08:53:03 AM: i think it looks awsome
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Waffle on August 16, 2005, 09:59:56 AM: You might get the "too blue" from the powers that be....lol. Happened to me a few times :)
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: navajoboy on August 16, 2005, 10:15:01 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Mustaine
i think it looks awsome

agree!
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Citabria on August 17, 2005, 02:44:14 AM: navajoboy you have better access to the details of the upper wing ( I have found almost no decent pictures of the rivet patterns and I hate using artists drawings. can you check it against some photos for me for accuracy of the P-51s you live next to?

had to use trumpeters 1/24 scale p-51 for some of the details.

IE: panel lines and rivet patterns pictures would be great.
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Mitsu on August 20, 2005, 04:02:48 PM: more shiny silver please!
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: AaronM2 on August 20, 2005, 04:13:10 PM: <-thinks mitsu has seen to much of those ki61 skins:p
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Citabria on August 20, 2005, 09:10:37 PM: here is more fiddling.. the wing is now an attempt to simulate silver paint hehe.

the aileron and flap are supposed to be aluminum though.

(http://members.cox.net/p38fester/ahss274%20copy.jpg)
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Sp4de on August 20, 2005, 09:42:38 PM: Hey Fester that looks great, I have a suggest though.. The Rivets look like dents, I think you should do a layer of black very low opacity as a drop shadow under the rivets so it can make them look like they are going out not in I might be wrong... maybe p51 rivets went in but I just thought it would look cool.. Anyways keep up the good work ~~-Spade~~
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: United on August 20, 2005, 10:42:18 PM: They actually do go in. Rivets are just like nails in that sense. They are popped into the metal to hold them together, therefore causing a dent around the head of the rivet. The head may pop out a minute amount, but the dent that it creates would be more visible.

In that sense, I'd say its just about perfect. Only thing I can see that I would change is the panel lines. IMO, they may be just a tad too dark.
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Citabria on August 20, 2005, 11:56:15 PM: yeah the panel lines to dark need to fix that.

there are raised rivets inboard of the gun barrels simulating the heavy wing spar rivets. all other rivets are flush.
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: navajoboy on August 21, 2005, 01:34:04 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
navajoboy you have better access to the details of the upper wing ( I have found almost no decent pictures of the rivet patterns and I hate using artists drawings. can you check it against some photos for me for accuracy of the P-51s you live next to?

had to use trumpeters 1/24 scale p-51 for some of the details.

IE: panel lines and rivet patterns pictures would be great.

I agree, there are almost no photos of that part of the plane. for the most part, what you got is correct. you can check out my skin at
http://www.yoxfordboys.com/uknighted/passionwagon.asp

ill try to get some real photos out soon. the local P-51 (dakota kid) is out on a tour of airshows.

http://www.abacuspub.com/fsd/premier/p51/dakota.htm
http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/pages/44-74524.shtml
http://www.odegaardaviation.homestead.com/

now i believe there are two companies in north dakota that have restored P-51s:
Tri-State Aviation Inc - Wahpeton, ND (fuseluge and rest of plane)
Odegaard Aviation, Kindred, ND (wings and elevators)

ill try to get back soon.
Title: Winging it! Aluminum shading feedback requested
Post by: Citabria on August 21, 2005, 12:36:45 PM: I found a few good pics of the rivet patterns of the upper wing and used them to fill in the little details I been looking for hehe.