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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Silat on August 17, 2005, 02:23:06 AM
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How could President Bush be cavorting around on a long vacation with American troops struggling with a spiraling crisis in Iraq?
Wasn't he worried that his vacation activities might send a frivolous signal at a time when he had put so many young Americans in harm's way?
"I'm determined that life goes on," Mr. Bush said stubbornly.
That wasn't the son, believe it or not. It was the father - 15 years ago. I was in Kennebunkport then to cover the first President Bush's frenetic attempts to relax while reporters were pressing him about how he could be taking a month to play around when he had started sending American troops to the Persian Gulf only three days before.
On Saturday, the current President Bush was pressed about how he could be taking five weeks to ride bikes and nap and fish and clear brush even though his occupation of Iraq had become a fiasco. "I think it's also important for me to go on with my life," W. said, "to keep a balanced life."
Pressed about how he could ride his bike while refusing to see a grieving mom of a dead soldier who's camped outside his ranch, he added: "So I'm mindful of what goes on around me. On the other hand, I'm also mindful that I've got a life to live and will do so."
Ah, the insensitivity of reporters who ask the President Bushes how they can expect to deal with Middle East fighting while they're off fishing.
The first President Bush told us that he kept a telephone in his golf cart and his cigarette boat so he could easily stay on top of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. But at least he seemed worried that he was sending the wrong signal, as his boating and golfing was juxtaposed on the news with footage of the frightened families of troops leaving for the Middle East.
"I just don't like taking questions on serious matters on my vacation," the usually good-natured Bush senior barked at reporters on the golf course. "So I hope you'll understand if I, when I'm recreating, will recreate." His hot-tempered oldest son, who was golfing with his father that day, was even more irritated. "Hey! Hey!" W. snapped at reporters asking questions on the first tee. "Can't you wait until we finish hitting, at least?"
Junior always had his priorities straight.
As W.'s neighbors get in scraps with the antiwar forces coalescing around the ranch; as the Pentagon tries to rustle up updated armor for our soldiers, who are still sitting ducks in the third year of the war; as the Iraqi police we train keep getting blown up by terrorists, who come right back every time U.S. troops beat them up; as *****es working on the Iraqi constitution conspire with Iran about turning Iraq into an Islamic state that represses women; and as Iraq hurtles toward a possible civil war, W. seems far more oblivious than his father was with his Persian Gulf crisis.
This president is in a truly scary place in Iraq. Americans can't get out, or they risk turning the country into a terrorist haven that will make the old Afghanistan look like Cipriani's. Yet his war, which has not accomplished any of its purposes, swallows ever more American lives and inflames ever more Muslim hearts as W. reads a book about the history of salt and looks forward to his biking date with Lance Armstrong on Saturday.
The son wanted to go into Iraq to best his daddy in the history books, by finishing what Bush senior started. He swept aside the warnings of Brent Scowcroft and Colin Powell and didn't bother to ask his father's advice. Now he is caught in the very trap his father said he feared: that America would get bogged down as "an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land," facing a possibly "barren" outcome.
It turns out that the people of Iraq have ethnic and religious identities, not a national identity. *****es and Kurds want to suppress the Sunnis who once repressed them and break off into their own states, smashing the Bush model kitchen of democracy.
At long last, a senior Bush official admits that administration officials can no longer cling to their own version of reality. "We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning," the official told The Washington Post.
They had better start absorbing and shedding a lot faster, before many more American kids die to create a pawn of Iran. And they had better tell the Boy in the Bubble, who continues to dwell in delusion, hailing the fights and delays on the Iraqi constitution as "a tribute to democracy."
The president's pedaling as fast as he can, but he's going nowhere.
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Divide and conquer thats what all rulers did, so was Irak a land of tribes.
Saddam made the "best" use of it, maybe its a bit like yugoslavia. A strafe regiem kept it together.
now Its falling apart.
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Our president is a worthless lump of crap. That's not news.
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'Our'??
You mean 'The'. Not 'Our'. Just 'The'.
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Listening to you guys my faith in America is restored. Are you seeing what many of us "Euros" have been saying for a long time?
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No.
He was a monkey BEFORE he became the president.
Just like you were a monkey before you were a twit.
see how it works?
;)
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Yes, Sky, thanks for being a guiding light for the unenlightened. I used to think he was the bees knees, but after seeing how you and other Euros felt about the (thanks, Hang ;)) President of the U.S., I've finally come around!
Hmmm...I hope I wasn't too subtle with the sarcasm.
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Hah hah
Monkey!
(http://www.combey.com/monkey/700x525/monkey_magic_gold_700x525.jpg)
Now wheres my little cloud to fly out of here!
:lol
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Hey, at least he's pedalling on a bike instead of driving a SUV burning 3 gpm!
Somebody send him his Kyoto cap.
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They freak out over Fox news, but they jump up and down when a twit like Dowd writes her nonsense.
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I personaly find the "spiraling crisis" comment humorous. It may be spiraling, but in the right direction. What I see is a last ditch, futile effort by a group of extremists. It`s to be expected and is being handled.
I also think that Bush is showing extreme confidence in the military leaders in place that are doing just that...leading and doing a hell of a job of it.
In a spoiled world of instant tea, instant coffee, instant gratification people seem to expect everything to be accomplished....well instantly. Reality is another matter in terms of war and conflicts. It is not instant and certainly not pretty, but it has to be done. It is being done by the best in the world IMHO and in fine order.
I applaud our troops and our leaders on doing a wonderfull job in Iraq and elsewhere on the war on terror. It took a long time to sit back and watch this build to this state without intervention. Now it will take even longer to straighten out.
Sure the prez takes vacations. Seeing how he has the highest stress/pressure job in the world I would suggest that without it he would self destruct. Everything is not handled personaly by the president. That`s why our system works. We have highly qualified leaders in every aspect of our internal works. If you expect the prez to handle everything personaly you are in the wrong country. That would be called King. :)
I support our troops.
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well... guess it's a good thing that prancer and the other socialist euros can't vote here then huh?
lazs
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That`s true.
I smell the incense and peppermints truck arriving . :)
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Hmmm... does the language filter catch "*****E"?
Yes... it does... you can't use the word S-H-I-I-T-E.
:confused:
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Originally posted by Krusher
They freak out over Fox news, but they jump up and down when a twit like Dowd writes her nonsense.
I didnt post the messenger so you wouldnt attack her. But that seems to be the deal with some of radical right. Dont look at the issues just attack the messenger.
Just try to deal with the facts. That way we can actually get some truth:)
Isnt that what we all want?
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Originally posted by Krusher
They freak out over Fox news, but they jump up and down when a twit like Dowd writes her nonsense.
Actually I think of Dowd as a left wing Ann Coulter, but unlike Coulter's last few years of bile, I'd have to say this piece actually had some points to it--her first points in years.
You might address the whole "we need our rest" lord of the manor mentality that is kind of obvious with these Connecticut preppies though and which is a valid point. I mean, Bush doesn't have to talk to Sheehan, for example, but prancing around waiting to ride with Lance Armstrong while petulantly whining that he needs his rest made him look entirely unworthy to be a leader.
That whole angry fuss about how hitting his tee shot was more important than the US President being accountable, that's actually scary.
I mean, the way some people were raised, asking the president questions during a round of golf!
Someone get his highness a flightsuit and a binky please? It's nap time.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Silat
I didnt post the messenger so you wouldnt attack her. But that seems to be the deal with some of radical right. Dont look at the issues just attack the messenger.
Just try to deal with the facts. That way we can actually get some truth:)
Isnt that what we all want?
Facts? the facts are the president is on vacation wooptie doo
What exactly is the issue, I lost it in her silly repeat of the latest liberal talking points about this presidents vacation
Hey at least you admitted you posted an article from a writer so "out there" you couldn't bring yourself to include her name. :)
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Originally posted by Krusher
Facts? the facts are the president is on vacation wooptie doo
What exactly is the issue, I lost it in her silly repeat of the latest liberal talking points about this presidents vacation
Hey at least you admitted you posted an article from a writer so "out there" you couldn't bring yourself to include her name. :)
Well I guess you could actually tell me what facts in here editorial are wrong? :)
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You must be an American Citizen to Vote.
If you are elligable and choose not to Vote then don't complain about who was elected. If your candidate is not elected that means that the majority of our society disagreed with your choice. Thats called a democracy.
I strongly feel that the president NEEDs & deserves a vacation. Try to imagine you own personal life with "zero" privacy and or downtime.
Kudos Jackal1. You summed it up
What does this mother expect to accomplish? If she would come and see me I could tell her exactly what the President probably would. Sorry for your loss, Thanks for your son's service.
I think she needs to redirect her energy toward a more productive cause. Maybe some type of support for the troops still there.
Last point. If we decided not to continue our efforts toward disolving certain terroist activities would she, and obviously some of the other liberals posting to this thread be willing to pick up arms and protect our freedom when these "terrorist" come knocking at there door.
Have we lost all of our patriotism??????? :mad:
Semper fi
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TRUE HAPINESS IS A BELT FED WEAPON
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Yes I would pick up arms if they were knocking at my door. But I wouldn't go over there and stir them all up. Thats not defence thats provocation.
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Originally posted by Silat
Well I guess you could actually tell me what facts in here editorial are wrong? :)
I could if I could find anything relevant other than he (bush) is on vacation. The entire article is the opinion of a twit who once wrote about "presidential Knee pads"
Carry on
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Yes I would pick up arms if they were knocking at my door. But I wouldn't go over there and stir them all up. Thats not defence thats provocation.
They have allready done that ? Remember?
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Originally posted by Krusher
Facts? the facts are the president is on vacation wooptie doo
What exactly is the issue, I lost it in her silly repeat of the latest liberal talking points about this presidents vacation
Hey at least you admitted you posted an article from a writer so "out there" you couldn't bring yourself to include her name. :)
If he's on vacation and needs his beauty sleep, why doeshis office and he always protest that these are working vacations, and he is always doing something?
Also, why is he raising money on vacation? So he has time to be a consummate political animal, but not the president?
That's laughable.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Krusher
I could if I could find anything relevant other than he (bush) is on vacation. The entire article is the opinion of a twit who once wrote about "presidential Knee pads"
Carry on
We can start here:
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Anything amiss in these statements? I see them as pretty damn close to the truth.
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Originally posted by Silat
We can start here:
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Anything amiss in these statements? I see them as pretty damn close to the truth.
Close but no cigar, again it looks like a rant by a twit who should be writing for the Nation.
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Updated: 6:34 p.m. ET Aug. 13, 2005
WASHINGTON - For the second time since the Iraq war began, the Pentagon is replacing body armor for U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
She kinda makes it sound like the soldiers are sitting ducks because they have no armor doesn't she?
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005 :Michael Yon
Gone are the days when the FREs and extremists in Mosul chased police from their stations and ravaged entire neighborhoods at will. Today, the ISF kills and captures enemy every day in Mosul, something that seldom makes news.
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get back to me when the constitution is finished will ya? Oh nice touch with the *****es don't you think it adds an air of unbiased professionalism?
<< and as Iraq hurtles toward a possible civil war, W. seems far more oblivious than his father was with his Persian Gulf crisis.
Unsubstantiated rant, while the chance for a civil war is there the term "hurtles" seems inappropriate.
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says who? Maureen the woman who has never been to Iraq?
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RANT !
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Originally posted by Krusher
Close but no cigar, again it looks like a rant by a twit who should be writing for the Nation.
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Updated: 6:34 p.m. ET Aug. 13, 2005
WASHINGTON - For the second time since the Iraq war began, the Pentagon is replacing body armor for U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
She kinda makes it sound like the soldiers are sitting ducks because they have no armor doesn't she?
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005 :Michael Yon
Gone are the days when the FREs and extremists in Mosul chased police from their stations and ravaged entire neighborhoods at will. Today, the ISF kills and captures enemy every day in Mosul, something that seldom makes news.
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get back to me when the constitution is finished will ya? Oh nice touch with the *****es don't you think it adds an air of unbiased professionalism?
<< and as Iraq hurtles toward a possible civil war, W. seems far more oblivious than his father was with his Persian Gulf crisis.
Unsubstantiated rant, while the chance for a civil war is there the term "hurtles" seems inappropriate.
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says who? Maureen the woman who has never been to Iraq?
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RANT !
Well there it is in a nutshell. You definately speak the right talking points to a t.
You are the minority in this country right now including the congress which is a majority republican. Most believe this adventure is a clusterF***.
The Army has admitted to being slow on getting proper equipment to the troops. " We go with the Army we have" :(
The insurgency has killed more and more people each month yet you still talk as if everything is going as planned. Remember , " The insurgency is in its death throes" ?
And we cant get out. Nor should we in my opinion and most Americans.
I and many were saying we needed more troops but you and most righties along with this admin said no we didnt. You and the admin were wrong.
But Im waiting for its all Clintons fault.:)
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>Well there it is in a nutshell. You definately speak the right >talking points to a t.
Your the one who posted a rant about a vacationing president. Jump on that band wagon but please don't act like its an original idea. This crap is right from the leftie blogs web sites and the NYT.
>You are the minority in this country right now including the >congress which is a majority republican. Most believe this >adventure is a clusterF***.
where did this crap come from, did you add it to try and ignore the facts ?
>The Army has admitted to being slow on getting proper >equipment to the troops. " We go with the Army we have" :(
Now I am positive you can read, what part of the 2nd upgrade did you miss?
>The insurgency has killed more and more people each month yet >you still talk as if everything is going as planned. Remember , " >The insurgency is in its death throes" ?
Your attempt at putting words in my mouth are not cutting it but I have come to expect that from left wing radicals :)
>And we cant get out. Nor should we in my opinion and most
> Americans.
>I and many were saying we needed more troops but you and >most righties along with this admin said no we didn't. You and >the admin were wrong.
When have I mentioned troop levels? Dowd rants and the lefties fall in line, good show !
>But Im waiting for its all Clintons fault.:)
Screw clinton, that's your smoke screen not mine.
In conclusion, like I said in the begining Dowd is a twit.
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where did this crap come from, did you add it to try and ignore the facts ?
It comes from the news. Where else?
>>YOu said "Tuesday, August 16, 2005 :Michael Yon
Gone are the days when the FREs and extremists in Mosul chased police from their stations and ravaged entire neighborhoods at will. Today, the ISF kills and captures enemy every day in Mosul, something that seldom makes news. ">>
So what news are you watching? The insurgency is killing more people than before. Are you actually saying that missing the 2nd grade is going to change that fact?
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I have not put any words in your mouth. I was dealing with her points. Something you seem to be unable to do as it would be admitting how badly Iraq is going.
Silat said:And we cant get out. Nor should we in my opinion and most Americans.
I and many were saying we needed more troops but you and most righties along with this admin said no we didn't. You and the admin were wrong.
>>>When have I mentioned troop levels? Dowd rants and the lefties fall in line, good show !>>>>
You have slammed me when I mentioned it in the past my friend.
YOu didnt mention it this time as you didnt discuss the points in the article. I did.
So we will agree to disagree. We see things 180 from eachother.:)
History will tell...
Oh come on now. That is the rights smoke screen. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I personaly find the "spiraling crisis" comment humorous. It may be spiraling, but in the right direction. What I see is a last ditch, futile effort by a group of extremists. It`s to be expected and is being handled.
What do you base that on?
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I have seen fahrenheit 9/11 yesterday.
Although its a
very one sided view.
Saudi arabia had more to do with the terrorism as Irak. But there is some economic interest by Bush.(dry oil digger)
I also saw as u live in oregon. There where not much policer troopers in oregon. (reason no money for it )
Is that true?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
What do you base that on?
Human nature and history.
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>YOu didnt mention it this time as you didnt discuss the points in >the article. I did.
BS, I addressed the rant and that is all.
"How could President Bush be cavorting around on a long vacation" blah, blah, blah rinse and repeat.
>So we will agree to disagree. We see things 180 from >eachother.:)
>History will tell...
Yes it will.
I see no need to continue wasting our time with this thread.
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Silat=Blog Queen. :)
http://benpac.blogspot.com/2005/08/biking-toward-nowhere.html
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Nixon had a higher approval rating during the Watergate scandal. (http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Silat=Blog Queen. :)
http://benpac.blogspot.com/2005/08/biking-toward-nowhere.html
Umm its a Dowd editorial.
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Actualy the title of this thread sounds like my idea of a good weekend!
;) :lol
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Jebus....the guy takes a vacation.....so crucify him for it. I guess your old buddy Slick Willie never took a vacation when he was in office did he? Oh, right.....he didnt need a vacation since he was too busy getting interns to suck him off and then lying about it under oath.
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Originally posted by weasel4
TRUE HAPINESS IS A BELT FED WEAPON
I don't know, I'm sorta partial to linkless feeds ;)(http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/Gau8a_a.jpg)