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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Meatwad on August 17, 2005, 08:26:40 AM
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All the posts that have been edited/locked by the mods within the past few days, one of them is gonna snap and pull the plug on the O'Club for good. Looks like from Pyro's post he is about ready to kill it. Wont be any do overs or take backs this time.
Call me a nut, but I think the end is near.
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fat drunk bastards BB is uncensored and kinda fun.
lazs
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they just need a big hug!
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Originally posted by lazs2
fat drunk bastards BB is uncensored and kinda fun.
lazs
from what i gather, it is not work safe though :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mustaine
from what i gather, it is not work safe though :rolleyes:
You can pretty well see from the topic if it's WS or not. Even if you happen to open a topic with NWS content it takes a split second to use the back button. Is there someone constantly looking over your shoulder? I would personally refuse to be in a workplace resembling DDR.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
All the posts that have been edited/locked by the mods within the past few days, one of them is gonna snap and pull the plug on the O'Club for good. Looks like from Pyro's post he is about ready to kill it. Wont be any do overs or take backs this time.
Call me a nut, but I think the end is near.
That's funny YOU brought this up because if I were an MP I would have locked the "I'm a minority" thread right after YOUR post.
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I agree about the FDB bbs, fun and no one gets their panties in a bunch over stuff. (well ok thrawn does, but he is canadian!)
I can see why some of the threads got closed... others I am not so sure.
I do think this place is shifting back to the way it was. Some people just cant tone it down.
I don't think we are going to have this place that much longer.
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killing the oclub would be a major mistake for HTC. There is a community here that draws customers to the game. It just needs to b slap a few folks once in a while.
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i suggest you all should back-up the threads that date back since 1999:D If HTC pulls the o'club
and btw, the MPs might have participated in the "Minority" troll fest thread...WTG :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mustaine
from what i gather, it is not work safe though :rolleyes:
You can turn off the images and you should be OK.
Unless your workplace has some rule against stupidity and immaturity.
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My workplace stipulates that a site containing profane language is unacceptable browsing material, so I don't get my 'tarded fix until I get home. :(
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It all seems pretty OK to me. Whats wrong with a bit of heated debate? What the heck are we afraid of? This is a BBs and the OC is a wierd and wonderful place. It all gets a bit fraught now and again but its damned interesting sometimes. Why pull the plug? don't make sense to me! Its not real life we're all pretty anonymous. Oh hang on, was till I posted those pics of me ! duh. But nevermind. Live and let live was a much better film than live and let die anyhow.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
It all seems pretty OK to me. Whats wrong with a bit of heated debate? What the heck are we afraid of? This is a BBs and the OC is a wierd and wonderful place. It all gets a bit fraught now and again but its damned interesting sometimes. Why pull the plug? don't make sense to me! Its not real life we're all pretty anonymous. Oh hang on, was till I posted those pics of me ! duh. But nevermind. Live and let live was a much better film than live and let die anyhow.
Holly crap you and I agree on something.(well two things. Bush being a dip**** the other, but not for the same reasons I am sure)
Problem is, some take it too far.
And some take it to personal and i am sure wine to the forum gods, who then get pissed they have to come clean up.
I didnt see anything in any of those threads that warranted a close. But its not my forum.
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Whats the URL to the FB site?
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http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com/forums/
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OMG that site .. is .. just .. too much..
Too many birds in thier native suite. Can't get caught looking at those.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com/forums/
Death to the Intruders!!!
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I signed up on the FDB website a while ago and never got a confirmation email :(
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Dunno. But its starting to look to me like someones scrip for Paxil ran out LMAO
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
OMG that site .. is .. just .. too much..
Too many birds in thier native suite. Can't get caught looking at those.
Great! yeah it really sucks doesnt it...
I would never look at it again if I were you!:D
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I think your right about Pyro being at the end of his rope. That minorities thread was way out of line and I'm surprised the MP's let it go on for as long as it did.
Things are starting to regress and I think sharp measures should be taken. Ban the offenders and let the rest of us have interesting discussions without the fear of having a couple bad apples spoil the bushel.
There's no place on the net quite like the O'Club and the Internet would be worse off for its passing. I for one hope it will stay.
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I understand Pyro's concern and it is HIS (or HT's) bbs, not ours. BUT, if you were to ask me if that thread was offensive I would with out a doubt say no. Now if I was a sensitive PC minded person well I can see where it crossed the line. I just don't subscribe to it. Again, it's his BBS so our opinions don't matter it's his business that's effective.
Sorry Pyro, HT, Skuzzy for being out of line. I thaught it was good old fun in a no harm no foul type of way but obviously people were offended which means it's wrong.
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The fdb forums (http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com/forums/index.php) will default to the bird forum for anyone that hasn't registered and e-mail verified. I'm in the process of adding more bird pictures to that forum, but until then you'll have to register to get to the slightly less exciting but definately more prolific forums.
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WOW it worked. I'm in TEH FDB heavan!
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MiniP, you have mail. Registration got me nothing but more bird pr0n.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
MiniP, you have mail. Registration got me nothing but more bird pr0n.
Maybe its just their way of saying....
Cluck you!:lol
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See Rule #4
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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See Rule #4, #5, #6
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Originally posted by Pongo
See Rule #4, #5, #6
By E Mail.
support@hitechcreations.com.
I know. I've done it
They even respond:aok
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This thread pretty much demonstrates why the O'Club should go away. The community, at large, will kill it, and it appears to making a conscious effort to do so. It has been up to the community to clean it up, not the moderators, and it appears the choice has been made.
Too many people who have no clue when to back away from the keyboard (i.e. if you are not contributing the discussion, then why are you here? And if your idea of contributing to a discussion is to denegrate others, then you have no idea how to have a discussion).
Of course, it is easier to blame the moderators than to consciously accept there are rules for posting. The community demanded the rules. We capitulated. There is no choice as to whether they will be accepted or not. The rules stand and if you have a problem with them, it is your problem, not ours. And if you try to make it our problem, you will lose.
Choose to violate them, and you will be moderated. Make a habit of it and you will be gone. No amount of self-righteous indignation will change that.
In the end, however, none of that matters. Rules only work when the community accepts there are rules and abides by them, instead of complaining about them and looking for ways to circumvent them or just out and out ignoring them.
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Something is amis with the e-mail verification at the fdb forums (http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com/forums/index.php). Shoot me an e-mail after you register and I'll get you in.
It's easy to blame the moderators skuzzy. To a point, it's a valid belief. You're trying to change the behavior here. That means you're doing something and people are going to view those actions as good or bad. There isn't much you can do about that except stay consistant.
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Censorship...
on a privately owned BBs...
whats this world coming too...
Their is always a 'Bad Apple' somewhere Skuzz, no denying that...
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Stay the course Skuzzy. Those that can't follow rules will end up at FDB forums. Those that can play nicely will remain members here. Perfect!
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Consistency is in the eye of the beholder and is never really an issue (even though some try to make it an issue). You get caught, you get caught. Move along.
And we are not trying to change anyone's behavior. We ask everyone to adhere to the rules. It is thier choice. Everyone here has the choice to consciously adhere to the rules or not to.
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btw, I believe I've fixed the e-mail verification over at the FDB BBS (http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com/forums/index.php). If you already have an e-mail verification that isn't working, try removing the "index.php" from the address.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
The community, at large, will kill it, and it appears to making a conscious effort to do so. It has been up to the community to clean it up, not the moderators, and it appears the choice has been made.
Has anyone wondered that this might be the fate of the game itself?
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Skuzzy, Perhaps the ban stick should be layed about a bit more heavily. Most of the offenders are rather consistant about it.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Consistency is in the eye of the beholder and is never really an issue (even though some try to make it an issue). You get caught, you get caught. Move along.
And we are not trying to change anyone's behavior. We ask everyone to adhere to the rules. It is thier choice. Everyone here has the choice to consciously adhere to the rules or not to.
what is a bummer, is some of us really enjoy the o'club, and obey the rules. it is really frustrating to see a thread "see rule XXX" every other post. i can see where ti is taking too many resources from HTC, i just wish it didn't :(
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don't get all excited guns.. FDB's even accepted me... and MT's wife.
lazs
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While I do point out the negative aspects of what has been happening in the O'Club, there have been some good things as well.
Old names who had abandoned the O'Club are coming back. There are more people on the boards now than there used to be.
Many controversial topics have been held in check by the community and the discussions have been pretty good. But then we have people who seem to be here for no other reason than to make negative or derogatory remarks.
There well always be that contingency to deal with on a forum and we would be silly/ignorant to think otherwise. We cannot constantly be here to watch for those types of posters, so it is ultimately left up to the community to watch for it and deal with it.
How those negative people are handled by the community is the telling tale. If they are ignored, the board will be a better place. Those who respond to those posts cause as much trouble as the ones who make the original post. Sort of like pouring gasoline on a match until the inferno consumes the rest of the forest.
It really boils down to making choices. Make good ones folks.
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Originally posted by Mini D
btw, I believe I've fixed the e-mail verification over at the
No confirmation e-mail here.
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If you didn't send a confirmation e-mail then something is up with your e-mail addy or server (sometimes vbulletin gets blocked). Send me an e-mail ( david.staines@intel.com ) and I'll hook you up. The confirmation seems to be working for others right now.
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Skuzzy.. you are changing behavior. Someone didn't like what was going on in the O'Club and decided to change things even if it meant simply enforcing rules. You're changing behavior.
I'm not saying that's good or bad... it's your board to moderate. But this isn't some kind of innocent request or subtle change. It is a major change... for better or worse. Eventually people will come to terms with it.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Skuzzy.. you are changing behavior. Someone didn't like what was going on in the O'Club and decided to change things even if it meant simply enforcing rules. You're changing behavior.
I'm not saying that's good or bad... it's your board to moderate. But this isn't some kind of innocent request or subtle change. It is a major change... for better or worse. Eventually people will come to terms with it.
I don't recall this attitude from you when you were banned from this board a couple of years ago. Did your behavior change after you were banned? Or did your style of posting change? Either way, you were allowed back on. So you may be right, maybe the banning changed your behavior.
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I think its fair enough to bar people if they are simply abusing others online or typing obsenitys whatever, but should people be barred because they enjoy argument and hold strong opinions different to others? If your going to ban people some kind of decent explanation would maybe help. Particularly if your trying ,overtly or covertly to change behaviour. Otherwise how do you know what you've been barred for?
I 've seen the lines refering to such and such a rule has been broken but if you don't know how what you have said has contravened the rule how are you going to change? Actualy its a bit like working with people full stop. If you just say "no" or "don't do that" they might stop the behaviour infront of you or in a certain place but they still don't understand why. No learning has taken place. Explain why not and nine times out of ten the person will change their behaviour or at the very least they will have learnt something.
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I'm glad Skuzzy mentioned that their HAVE been changes for the better around here... because there has. And maybe I'm getting lucky and not seeing most of the bad stuff but , except for a few instances, I really haven't seen much get through the Mods.
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SkyD, we are not here to teach people how to act. Contrary to what MD would have you believe, we actually expect people to understand how to act in someone else's home. We have no desire to change anyone and do not expect anyone to change. We assume people have a bit of common sense, and a bit of respect before they enter the door.
Of course, there are those who have neither and they usually do not last long. They go other places to rant and rave how they were mistreated or how bad we are,...blah, blah, blah.
If you are not equipped in the basic social skills, as it pertains to entering someone's home, or public square, you should not be here. It is not asking nor requiring a change of behavior. It is expecting people to have the basic social interaction skills required to maintain a decent and civil conversation.
SkyD, what you want will never be available here. This place was exactly like you wanted it before the MP's moved in. All manner of hate and anger being spewed forth in virtually every thread. I see in your own posts the desire for that to continue, no matter how well worded they are.
Get over it.
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Skuzzy,
Be careful... You hijacked a perfectly good thread about FDB and birds. The MPs are waiting juuuuust outside the door I'm sure.
:D
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Wouldn't be the first time they have moderated me and I am sure it will not be the last. It's ok though. I expect them to do what has been asked of them, regardless of who the poster is. :)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Contrary to what MD would have you believe, we actually expect people to understand how to act in someone else's home. We have no desire to change anyone and do not expect anyone to change. We assume people have a bit of common sense, and a bit of respect before they enter the door.
:rolleyes:
Try this skuzzy: The board was not good before. Something has.. um... what' that word... CHANGED.
Add rules, enforce them, whatever. The board has changed. You are not changing people. I never said you were. But you do expect people to shape up or ship out. If you can explain how that is not attempting to change behavior then I'd be very interested in the explanation.
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Skuzzy said,
"This place was exactly like you wanted it before the MP's moved in. All manner of hate and anger being spewed forth in virtually every thread. I see in your own posts the desire for that to continue, no matter how well worded they are.
Get over it."
I think thats a bit unfair. Realy. There are plenty of others in here who fit that description. But its not for me to point the finger at them. What is wrong with having an opinion and voicing it?
Isn't that what plenty of OC posters do? Yes I do differ on many things to people in here but hey we can't all be the same. I'm not carefully wording anything I'm merely stating what I think, usualy on a subject someone else initiated. Is that so bad? With respect I think you have been listening to the voice of others rather than forming an unbiased opinion. I do not attempt to spread hate and vitriol. How about going back and re reading some of my posts and responses to others. Yes I state my opinion and I stick to it, and its not maybe what some people will want to hear as I'm often critical of US and British policy but that isn't hate and vitriol. I wouldn't have posted this and I will say no more on this I only respond since you , sorry to say this, posted what I feel is an attack on me!!!! With respect
By the way my apologies for not reading every word I was generaly following the gist of the conversation and as others doing making a suggestion.
Thanks !!!
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Originally posted by Mini D
:rolleyes:
Try this skuzzy: The board was not good before. Something has.. um... what' that word... CHANGED.
Add rules, enforce them, whatever. The board has changed. You are not changing people. I never said you were. But you do expect people to shape up or ship out. If you can explain how that is not attempting to change behavior then I'd be very interested in the explanation.
Sure the board has changed MD. It does not mean we want anyone to change thier behavior. People are who they are. Either they fit in, or they don't.
SkyD, you are rationalizing. There is a time and a place for opinions. Just because you have one, does not mean you should share it, particularly when it is abrasive.
People who believe they should be able to say anything on thier minds will generally find themselves being shown the door, especially when all they can say will always be disruptive to a discussion.
Keep that in mind. Oh, and your opinion about me being bias is just hateful, and abrasive. You have no idea what you are talking about. Just another example of how you try to rub people every way but the right way. Also a shining example of something that did not add to the discussion and would have been better left in your head.
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skuzzy needs a hug..>
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Not me rabid. Do not take what I say as me being angry or upset. I do not get angry or upset about this bulletin board. Nothing said here, or anywhere else for that matter, phases me.
Its a job. Nothing more.
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ROFL
The thought of the Skuzzinator gettin the black chopper treatment is too much.
I`m putting the tinfoil on the windows now before it`s too late. :)
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Ok Jackal, I am sure someone, somewhere understands what that means. I sure dunt though.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Ok Jackal, I am sure someone, somewhere understands what that means. I sure dunt though.
I was referring to you gettin MPed Skuzz and comments like this one...
Skuzzy,
Be careful... You hijacked a perfectly good thread about FDB and birds. The MPs are waiting juuuuust outside the door I'm sure.
Chill Skuzz. It has no hidden meaning. You don`t need to break out the ole decoder ring. It was a joke. :)
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It isnt much to act people to be civil. We can have very strong opinions and still keep the exchange rational, and that's all this BBS is asking.
There is a huge difference between having strong opinions and being a jerk. Gandhi was a great example -- rock solid convictions, implacable resolution, and civilized actions that shamed the "civilized" west into doing what was right all along.
Anybody who doesnt get the distinction between having strong beliefs and being rude, probably wont be able to adapt to the civilized rules of the BBS.
Skuzzy, I echo the earlier request -- please consider perma-banning the stubborn offenders rather than decommissioning the board.
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I got my knuckles rapped for being rational!!
Joke Joke ;)
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You know skuzzy, I'm just not getting why you're taking exception to what I said. I definately don't get what the hell your arguing about.
Let me put it very simply because you seem to be completely missing something:
HTC did not like what the O'Club had turned into.
HTC installed rules to clean the O'Club up.
If people can not honor the rules, then they are kicked out.
Some people couldn't CHANGE and left. Some couldn't change and were kicked out. Others didn't need to CHANGE. Some did CHANGE and are still here. There's a very common word being used there.
If you weren't asking for change, you would have just kicked out everyone that had violated the rules in the past. Posting a set of rules and then enforcing them is giving guidelines for acceptable behavior that people can adhere to or not. If this behavior is different than what was seen prior to the rules being posted, then you are, in effect, asking for your posters to change their behavior in order to adhere to a new set of rules. Why this is even something that would be argued as if it were an indictment is simply beyond me.
I wasn't criticizing anything.
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Odd, I am not sure why you think I am getting wound up about it MD.
You keep telling me what you think we are tryinng to do, and I keep telling you it is not correct. I can say it is not correct, as I know what we are trying to accomplish.
All we want are people to respect the rules and the community. Nothing more, nothing less. If people chose to change, that is certainly thier choice, but we are not going to force that issue.
The rules have been posted and ignored for a long time. We simply started to enforce them in the hopes the individual community members would *get it* and make a choice to either follow them or leave.
It's like posting a sign on the door saying, "no shirt, no service". You can chose to enter, or you can chose to leave. If you have no shirt, you will get thrown out if you try to enter.
Just because the sign is there does not mean a person has to change. It's there as a guideline to give people an idea of how they should act, and it is up to them if they can follow those rules.
Let me clear it up by emphatically stating, we do not want nor expect anyone to change thier behavior. We want people who are comfortable with the rules we have set for the forums to be here.
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Jackal, I was not upset. I was asking an honest question bore from ignorance. I really did not get it.
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Skuzz :aok
This is in no means an attempt to highjack this thread.....but have you signed my Adoption Papers yet? :(
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well... I have never fit in anywhere in an exact fit kinda way... I am who I am.. I affect people in different ways. Some are amused and some angry and maybe even a few think about what I say as being an...... opinion... one that may interest them even if they don't agree. Some just think I'm and idiot. I am sure that they are all right.
If I am no longer welcome then that is just the way it is. I doubt that I will be able to keep from angering everyone. I actually think that some people need to be angry... they need to get that out of their system.
I have never understood people who are easily offended... I don't want to either.
lazs
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Odd, I am not sure why you think I am getting wound up about it MD.
Where did I say "wound up"? I do not understand your simply lack of comprehention here... and your attachment to a statement that isn't a critique as if you were getting defensive about it.
You keep telling me what you think we are tryinng to do, and I keep telling you it is not correct. I can say it is not correct, as I know what we are trying to accomplish.
All we want are people to respect the rules and the community. Nothing more, nothing less.
Um... skuzzy. You can stop saying this like I haven't been here for the last 5 years. The O'Club was bellybutton as has been stated by you, pyro and hitech. Now, if you would like to kid yourself into thinking it was simply enforcing the rules, then carry on.
If people chose to change, that is certainly thier choice, but we are not going to force that issue.
The rules have been posted and ignored for a long time. We simply started to enforce them in the hopes the individual community members would *get it* and make a choice to either follow them or leave.
And those that don't change their ways are banned. You do realize how this involves you requiring poeple to either change or leave (one way or the other)... right?
It's like posting a sign on the door saying, "no shirt, no service". You can chose to enter, or you can chose to leave. If you have no shirt, you will get thrown out if you try to enter.
Just because the sign is there does not mean a person has to change. It's there as a guideline to give people an idea of how they should act, and it is up to them if they can follow those rules.
Bad analogy. There's nothing as chrystal clear as someone wearing a shirt or not wearing a shirt. There's not much room for interpretation there.
You posted a sign that says "BEHAVE!". Of course, that's not an attempt to change behavior. I don't know what I was thinking.Let me clear it up by emphatically stating, we do not want nor expect anyone to change thier behavior. We want people who are comfortable with the rules we have set for the forums to be here.
I don't think you realize just how obtuse that statement is.
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MD, I was not quoting you, but I it appeared you thought I was wound up, or maybe you were wound up.
Not being defensive at all. Just trying to make things clear. As long as you are stuck with the perspective you are, then there is no point in trying to discuss this with you.
You have us wanting to reshape/remodel/program people to be something they are not. I have stated our perspective and you refuse to acknowledge it. Which is fine, but I do not wish for others to take your speculation as fact, so I fill in the blanks.
Certainly, what I said would be considered obtuse if you are fixated on a single perspective. I like to think most people are not, or most people would ask for clarification if they did not get it.
Now, let's just agree to disagree as I can see this going nowhere, and I really do not see the point of saying the same things over and over again.
I know you will need to add one more response, but I am done with it.
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SKUZZY! Stop feeding the trolls!!!11
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... I have never fit in anywhere in an exact fit kinda way... I am who I am.. I affect people in different ways. Some are amused and some angry and maybe even a few think about what I say as being an...... opinion... one that may interest them even if they don't agree. Some just think I'm and idiot. I am sure that they are all right.
If I am no longer welcome then that is just the way it is. I doubt that I will be able to keep from angering everyone. I actually think that some people need to be angry... they need to get that out of their system.
I have never understood people who are easily offended... I don't want to either.
lazs
I've no problem with that. we mostly never agree but I respect that attitude. Realy I don't see this place as being that bad. Its interesting, pithy and a bit of a laugh now and again. what terrible misdeeds have been commited realy? I don't see many people going all out to break the rules. Maybe thats cos I rarely see the "deleted for breaking rule such and such" posts before the MP's get to them. The Mp's seem to be doing a pretty good job and this place feels better for it whilst remaining interesting. The game is pretty good too by the way. Thats is after all how I and most others arrived here I would think.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
SKUZZY! Stop feeding the trolls!!!11
ROFL
OWNED!
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You actually think I was trolling? It was an inoccuous statement that skuzzy seems fixated on for some reason.
Skuzzy, once again... because you aren't really accepting anything here other than your own innocence in some people's reactions:
You guys have changed things around here. Some like it and others don't. The change means that some will have to change if they want to stay around, others won't.
You can pretend that you are not asking anyone to change all you want, but we know that's not really the case. That is not a perspective. That is not a limited viewpoint. It's not even an indictment of anything other than you getting hung up on something and refusing to see the light.
Hell... that's not even an indictment of the changes. It's simply pointing out that whenever you make changes, someone's not going to like them. Because, even though you can't see it, you are asking them to change or leave.
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MD, check your e-mail and quit pickin on Skuzz. :rofl
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? I gave you access this morning.
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K, thanks.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
While I do point out the negative aspects of what has been happening in the O'Club, there have been some good things as well.
Old names who had abandoned the O'Club are coming back. There are more people on the boards now than there used to be.
they left because they dont play the game anymore.
whats the point of posting if you dont play?
my 2 week trial is almost up so i wont look at this board anymore.
neither the game or the board is ineresting or fun for me.
cyas
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Well, thanks for sharing!
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Originally posted by daimian
they left because they dont play the game anymore.
whats the point of posting if you dont play?
my 2 week trial is almost up so i wont look at this board anymore.
neither the game or the board is ineresting or fun for me.
cyas
Looks like you found something here that caught your eye. Registered in May 2002 and your 2 week trial is nearly up?
A Ripley`s candidate for sure. Most IP changes for one person. :)
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heh, who got pwned?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
snip...
I know you will need to add one more response, but I am done with it.
You missed by one (so far), Skuzzmeister
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
13- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list.
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:)
Post miner!