Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SOB on August 17, 2005, 09:21:57 AM
-
from the Statesman Journal
Story Link (http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050817/STATE/508170322)
Kulongoski OKs cold-medicine limits
Prescription law will be implemented by July, likely sooner
BY JOSEPH B. FRAZIER
The Associated Press
August 17, 2005
PORTLAND -- Gov. Ted Kulongoski on Tuesday signed legislation that will make Oregon the first state to require prescriptions for cold and allergy medications that can be converted into methamphetamine.
The requirement applies to any medication containing pseudoephedrine, the key ingredient in the highly addictive street drug.
"This is a tremendous start, but we must recognize that it is just that, a start," the governor said. "We have a long way to go."
Kulongoski said that he was aware of inconveniences that might arise from having to get prescriptions for commonly purchased remedies but said pharmaceutical companies already are producing replacement remedies that don't contain pseudoephedrine.
The governor also signed a bill increasing the penalty for drug crimes involving children and bills for funding drug courts, related corrections expenses and other costs.
The prescription bill sailed though both houses of the Legislature, opposed by a handful of lawmakers who said it would be an inconvenience to their constituents to need prescriptions for common medicines such as Sudafed and Claritin D.
The state Board of Pharmacy has until July to implement the prescription requirement, but the board's executive director, Gary Schnabel, said it could be in place within three months.
Oregon and several other states already require consumers to show identification and sign a log when obtaining these cold and allergy medicines from pharmacies, and Congress is moving toward similar restrictions.
Sen. Ginny Burdick, the chairwoman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, argued that current regulations moving the medicines behind the counter don't work.
She said that, as an experiment, four legislators in Salem were able to buy enough cold medication in a few hours to make as many as 200 hits of meth.
The real victims of the new legislation, she said, are home meth cooks, "and that's the way it should be."
Yep, now if I want a bottle of Nyquil, I'll have to schedule an appointment with my doctor, drive to his office, pay a copay on my insurance, wait for him to see me, get a prescription, then drive to the store and wait at the pharmacy to purchase it. So, the $4 bottle of medicine now costs me $20, plus whatever it's going to cost once it goes behind the counter....not to mention my time. It becomes an even better situation for those without insurance. Fortunately, it's well worth it, as all of the home grown meth labs in Oregon will be just a bad memory.
-
Ya, not like they can't just mail order the stuff by the case....
Yet another example of feel good stupidity causing far more harm than good.
-
Next, a ser-ies of laws to protect the gentry from the pernicious frip-pery of uncouth flappers.
(http://hallert.net/images/haha.JPG)
-
"you want some of the good stuff or the pansy bellybutton Dayquil?"
-
(http://www.texasdude.com/9-11-01/america_banner.jpg)
-SW
-
Isn't this the same state that tried to pass a state funded health care system a few years back?..
-
You dont expect the war on drugs to stay static do ya? the screws will keep turning till the war is won.
shamus
-
I'm sure there is a few million folks in Oregon who get to feel those screws Shamus.
-
Although I am questioning such legislation in Oregon (like I've ALWAYS questioned their particular legislation, this isn't the first insane law they've passed) I did find this article (http://alcoholism.about.com/od/meth/a/blui050206.htm) quite the eye opener.
Oh, incidently, this wasn't a federally-mandated law, it was a state law by choice. If you don't like it, vote 'em out, SOB.
-
I'm in Oregon, and it's a pretty nice state, but every place has its quirks.
Some of the things we have going that are positive:
1. Doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill.
2. Medical marijuana.
3. Great roads.
Some not so great stuff:
1. The state has bleach in the water supply. It seems all white.
2. This dumb pseudophedrine law.
3. Income tax.
It's a great place to live, but you gotta stay vigilant.
-
Other interesting Oregon laws:
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws.php?site=laws&cid=184®ion=37
One example:
It is illegal to whisper "dirty" things in your lover's ear during sex.
There is a link to other states too.
-
NEVAR FORGET TEH NANCY REGUN!!! JUST SAY NO MORANS!!!!
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
One example:
It is illegal to whisper "dirty" things in your lover's ear during sex.
That's why my wife and I usually just yell.
-
Originally posted by Chairboy
That's why my wife and I usually just yell.
LOL. Is she religious? (OH GOD< OH GOD< OH GOD!!!)
-
More like "LEAVE ME ALONE!" and "WHY DIDN'T WE PAINT THE CEILING WHEN WE REDECORATED?!"
-
Wow what a wonderfull law.
Like they cant make it any other way.
Whats sad is I am sure Calisucka will pass its own version. Then it will take 12 weeks to get a doc apointment at kaiser instead of 4.
-
I was really hoping this one wouldn't pass.
Stupidity knows no bounds.
-
They shoulda passed this in Hawaii. It's the meth capital of the world.
-
They should have created a massive and ineffective boondoggle to harrass innocent people and drive up costs for no inteligent reason? You don't like Hawaii do you?
-
The Government should just give meth away. Really good stuff. Lots of it. Really good stuff..
Then the *******s can OD on it and the problem is solved.
-
Let me know when that goes down GTora, so I can be in Europe. "Meth-week USA" sounds like too much fun for me.
-
Dood... NyQuil is a gateway drug!
-
I like these Portland Laws!
Riders of sleds may not attach themselves to passing cars.
People may not whistle underwater.
how about this one in Sterling Colorado!
Cats may not run loose without having been fit with a taillight.
-
Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
They should have created a massive and ineffective boondoggle to harrass innocent people and drive up costs for no inteligent reason?
There's over the counter alternatives that don't have pseudoephedrine, so the $4 nyquil is still $4, and will still get the job done. Just opinion, but I doubt many people will even notice a difference.
It's harrassment of the innocents that they're now forced to use psuedoephedrine free Claritin-D or go get a perscription? I don't know if I could even classify that as harassment.. it seems.. well.. trivial.
Lost friends to crystal and seen it destroy quite a few lives. They probably would have broken down regardless, but the ease of obtaining such a powerful, domestically brewed drug made the process alot faster and definately made them more dangerous to themselves and others (you know, the "innocents").
You don't like Hawaii do you?
Actually, I was about to move to Honolulu, but business has chained me down for another few years. Doesn't change the fact though that it's the tweek capital of the world :)
-
sure there are alternatives but they don't work like pseudoephedrine which is why they all use it. Maybe something else eventually will work as well but its not there yet. This provides a minimal hinderance to the druggies who will get it through other means while causing excessive and extreme burden on the rest of the society. In short, it won't do what it was intended to do while punishing those who have nothing to do with the problem.
-
Before you go blaming Oregon for everything, take a look at a Texas. Gov. Rick Perry (R) spearheaded a law that removed ALL cold medicines containing pseudoephedrine from grocery store shelves unless the following conditions were met:
a) customers must show a Texas Driver License
b) stores selling medicine containing pseudoephedrine must keep a log with the name, address and phone number of persons purchasing such medicines. Logs must be kept on file for 2 years.
c) customers may purchase no more than 2 packages or 6 grams .
From The Ft.Worth Star Telegram
The law applies to several products, including Sudafed, Tylenol Sinus, Claritin-D, Advil Sinus, Alka-Seltzer Cold, Coricidin Cough & Cold and Dristan Sinus.
State Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, who wrote the legislation, said he's hoping to stem an epidemic of meth use, manufacturing and dealing.
"The problem is, meth is not treatable," Berman said. "Once the brain cells are destroyed, it's almost impossible to get off meth. You can get off cocaine, you can get off heroin. You cannot get off meth."
In 2000, 3,634 users went into Texas treatment centers for methamphetamine abuse; by 2004, that number had risen to 8,145, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services.
This just shows how kneejerk reactionary the law is. If meth use is "untreatable" as Rep. Berman (R) says, why are there state run treatment centers?
I'm also concerned that any employee of the store now has access to my personal information for the next two years because I got a cold. Our store decided it was not worth the hassle and stopped selling all the affected products. Thank you Republicans for making my life easier.:rolleyes:
-
Originally posted by indy007
They shoulda passed this in Hawaii. It's the meth capital of the world.
Actually, the meth capitol is......Missouri. More meth is produced there than anywhere else in the US.
-
I don't live in oregon ... I can pump my own gas... don't need a dr to assist me with suicide and don't care about marijuana (medical or otherwise) and.. it has lousy weather..
I don't do meth..
I don't get colds.
Still... this is just another dumb law... You want strong "caring" government... you will get em "caring" about everything you do.
lazs
-
Originally posted by rpm
Before you go blaming Oregon for everything, take a look at a Texas. Gov. Rick Perry (R) spearheaded a law that removed ALL cold medicines containing pseudoephedrine from grocery store shelves unless the following conditions were met:
a) customers must show a Texas Driver License
b) stores selling medicine containing pseudoephedrine must keep a log with the name, address and phone number of persons purchasing such medicines. Logs must be kept on file for 2 years.
c) customers may purchase no more than 2 packages or 6 grams.
Heh, the really sad part of all this is that everything above was already the law in Oregon...they passed it about 6-8 months ago.
Also, as far as I know, there is no Nyquil alternative containing the other Psuedoefedrin.
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Although I am questioning such legislation in Oregon (like I've ALWAYS questioned their particular legislation, this isn't the first insane law they've passed) I did find this article (http://alcoholism.about.com/od/meth/a/blui050206.htm) quite the eye opener.
Oh, incidently, this wasn't a federally-mandated law, it was a state law by choice. If you don't like it, vote 'em out, SOB.
Yeah, no kidding. Unfortunately, it's hard to vote out state senators who are in a different district.
-
PORTLAND -- Gov. Ted Kulongoski on Tuesday signed legislation that will make Oregon the first state to require prescriptions for cold and allergy medications that can be converted into methamphetamine.
That was done several years ago here in new zealand.
It was also made illegal to import anything containing pseudoephedrine. Stiff penalties if you get caught.
The new laws havn't made a lot of differance to the meth problem though... it's still big. The gangs cornered the market and are getting rich of the stuff. Meth is easy money for them, less risky than convential crme.
The latest tactic from the authorities in their war on crime, and meth in particular, is to give the cops more guns. But some of us think that giving beat cops Bushy M-4 carbines is a bit over the top.
And it's going to make the revolution just that much harder.
Excel
-
Thats what I dont get, why can't I pump my own gas here. Did you tards used to accidently blow yourselves the hell up or something and make the nanny state step in to save you all before you splode yourselves?
edit for those eisbärs whose reading comprehension fails them 3 posts later from lazs'
Oregon has a law i guess where you cant pump your own gas, at every gas station it is full service.
-
Originally posted by Pooh21
Thats what I dont get, why can't I pump my own gas here. Did you tards used to accidently blow yourselves the hell up or something and make the nanny state step in to save you all before you splode yourselves?
WTF??
-
Meth is starting to be a big problem here. Not as big as in other states but our county has the 2 most reported Meth Labs in our state.
They are trying to get the word out to people about how bad this drug is. Once you start you're pretty much hooked. Their is a chance you can recover but it is extremly hard. I did not know that much about meth until I began doing research on it for the website I was creating for them http://www.methdeath.org (Still in the works) This is a nasty drug, they say even crack addicts won't even touch it. Problem is if you can stop the Mom and Pop Meth Labs the gangs will start pumping it in.
-
They tried to stop meth a few years ago in Thailand. Police and paramilitary death squads executed some 2000 people involved in drugs. This had very little effect.
-
The 'can't pump your own gas' law is pretty silly, I agree. That said, I don't complain as loudly about it when the temperature is below freezing or over 95f. Also, our gas prices are traditionally lower then California. I've heard rumors that people are paying over $3 a gallon there now. I just filled my tank for something like $2.54 a gallon, so not terrible. I know there are places where it's cheaper, but could be worse.
BTW, when you show up on your motorcycle, YOU get to pump the gas. It doesn't take more then one or two scowls for a new gas pumper before he figures it out and leaves everyone else alone.
-
Great law.
Doing what lawmakers do best.
That being to cause more expense/trouble to the law abiding and in the process inventing more crime and opening the door for new lines of criminal activity. Brilliant.
-
NZ?? Oh goody... so if we work hard at it we can be like other socialist nations?
lazs
-
As I recall the "Full Service Only" law in Oregon was enacted to preserve jobs back when self service stations started to become the rage in the 70's. The state had one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation at the time.
-
Originally posted by rpm
As I recall the "Full Service Only" law in Oregon was enacted to preserve jobs back when self service stations started to become the rage in the 70's. The state had one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation at the time.
Didnt they do the same thing in NJ?
-
It never caught on, the attendents in NJ kept stealing hubcaps.
:D
-
Citation: CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO
ADOPTED JANUARY 21, 1911
Idiots may not vote.
I really like this one.
Having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal.
Ya just gotta wonder what event transpired that led to that one. OUCH!
:eek:
-
great roads in oregon. where not I-5 or I84. with the outrages road tax there they should be smooth as a babys bottom.
-
Originally posted by JTs
great roads in oregon. where not I-5 or I84. with the outrages road tax there they should be smooth as a babys bottom.
Please rephrase your post in english. Even with babelfish, I was unable to render an understandable version of the above text.
-
Originally posted by lazs2
I don't live in oregon ... I can pump my own gas... don't need a dr to assist me with suicide So you can commit suicide unassisted then... and don't care about marijuana (medical or otherwise) and.. it has lousy weather..You've only visited the 1/5 of Oregon that does...
I don't do meth..
I don't get colds.I get hay fever... Ragweed. Next spring I'll be stocking up when I take trips out of state.
Still... this is just another dumb law... You want strong "caring" government... you will get em "caring" about everything you do.
That's Multanomah Co. running the state for us... IIRC the only county in the USA with an income tax.
-
Originally posted by whistlin
Problem is if you can stop the Mom and Pop Meth Labs the gangs will start pumping it in.
Thats exactly what happend in NZ.
The supply of pseudoephedrine dried up due to the restrictions on buying meds containing it, which put most of the small labs out of business. Supply and demand rulz, and by this time there was plenty of demand for meth. The gangs took up the slack, and at first they started smuggling pseudoephedrine into the country in bulk but then they found it less of a hassle and more profitable to import meth direct from Asia. Border control gets some but because of the even bigger demand for meth now.. plenty of it still gets through.
Excel
-
Originally posted by lazs2
NZ?? Oh goody... so if we work hard at it we can be like other socialist nations?
lazs
It's only cough medicine lazs. People can live without it. Just cough , spit, then wipe your nose on your sleeve.. works for me.
Excel
-
besides I have always found jägermeister works better then cough syrup anyway. Speaking of which, this state full of liberal puritans doesnt even sell hard liquor in the grocery store, what the hell is up with that?
-
Deleted.
7- Members should remember this board is aimed at a general audience. Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to bypass the profanity filter.
-
excel... I don't get colds and and don't use meth.. the law does not affect me. That does not mean that I want more government in my life.
unlike skyprancer... I don't just espouse the causes that directly affect me. I really believe that every time government get's control of any segment of the population it affects me... even if not directly.
lazs
-
Originally posted by lazs2
excel... I don't get colds and and don't use meth.. the law does not affect me. That does not mean that I want more government in my life.
unlike skyprancer... I don't just espouse the causes that directly affect me. I really believe that every time government get's control of any segment of the population it affects me... even if not directly.
lazs
Lazs,
I wasn't serious with my last post. I was just being a smart arse, it's a kiwi trait.
My attitude to government interference in peoples lives is the same as yours. It wasn't allways so, but at the moment we have one of the most intrusive forms of government in the western world, and they are masters of the tactic of seperating a section of the population off in order to marginalize it without raising too much concern from the majority of the population. It's peice-meal, but over time it has a profound detrimemtal effect. The good news is that people have cottoned on to it and change may be in the wind, but I'm not holding my breathe.
Excel