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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Ted Strykker on August 17, 2005, 04:43:37 PM
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I have played this game for long enough.
I have this knack for being able too show and explain the workings of this game too someone that just saw the commercial for it 15 mins. ago.
And above all i have the Patience too help these new people.
I have logged numerous hours in the TA helping new pilots and experienced pilots.Pretty much i have logged more hours in the TA than anything else,for the MA is boring too me.
I have done this under different names.
I asked Ghosth not too far back about becoming a trainer because he noticed that i had the qualitys of a good trainer.I wanted too become a trainer not for the semi-free account but the ability too boot the people out of the TA that were causing trouble and making it hard for others too learn.It seems that everytime someone was causing trouble that there never was a trainer available too take care of that problem.
After 4 years of playing this game i enjoy teaching more than anything else this game has too offer,and if given a trainer postion i would probably spend the majority of my game time in the TA.
Ghosth tells me that they are restructuring things and that everybody is put on a list,i respect that.
I go into the TA today and see that Silat has been made a trainer.
I havn,t seen him in there that much at all in Ah-1 or Ah-2 but now he gets a trainer postion,when i ask how he says "well i was a trainer in AW".
So my question is this,does a person get a trainer postion based on "The Buddy System" ,or does a person become a trainer based on his time spent in the TA helping people and making sure that others don't disrupt that?
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As far as I know, Ghosth decides who becomes a Trainer and who doesn't. Silat has been a Trainer for a couple months now.
Ghosth once confided in me; he rarely accepts people who ask to be a trainer because they are the most likily to abuse the power. Not saying that this applies to you, but they do have to watch out for the weenies that would sit there and boot the people they don't like.
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Silat is not only an outstanding pilot...but also widely respected through out the "community"....I don't have any basis to comment on your skills or potential as a trainer. But I can tell you that silat is an outstanding addition.
Truthfully, your 1st sentence makes me doubt that your "ready for prime time".....
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I must admit i'm surprised to see something derogatory posted about silat. Silat has played for years and one of the nicest guys in AH.
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This is not a post about Silat,so stop trying too turn it into that.
Learn too read.
I have talked too ghosth and he is no longer the Head Trainer,TC is.
This was a question of the Buddy System not another pilots skills,as i was hoping for a member of the Training staff too respond,not the Peanut gallery.
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Then you should have emailed TC directly instead of posting it here. But let me ask you this....If you had 1 position to fill and several applicants, wouldnt you want the one that has prior experience?
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Is it possible that this post has made it hard for anyone to consider your request?
Is it also possible that this may be one of those e-mail to HTC itself type issues rather than an emberassing confrontation for all involved, here of all places, where the very new players you value could get an erronious impression and leave the game?
Is your anger more important than helping new players whether you have a title or not?
After all this is just a game.......................
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If you're going to be like that ted i'll shall be blunt and straight to the point. From your 2 posts you come across arrogant and rude, 2 qualities being the antithesis required from a trainer.
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Maybe the training staff wanted someone that could actually teach a new player ACM and the other fine points of air combat other than how to HO?
And we all know that only reason +Silat got the job is that he looks good in heels and a skirt. Ever thought of trying that?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by thrila
If you're going to be like that ted i'll shall be blunt and straight to the point. From your 2 posts you come across arrogant and rude, 2 qualities being the antithesis required from a trainer.
Do a search for his past post. This is mild compared to some I've read.
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It is to a post about silat. Simply put, he's an outstanding choice for a trainer and I seriously doubt you have anywhere near as much to offer. Your implying that he got the "job" based on something other than his ability....which is garbage.
I certainly wont try and speak for ghost or TC....but from personal experience I can tell you that a blend of talents is needed. Somebody like Silat can fill a bunch of roles...
So in closing, I read just fine.
Silat was chosen because he is the better person for the job...probably by a wide margin.
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Well Ted, your qualifications notwithstanding, your comments and raised issues, read: sour grapes + "good ole boy insider network politicing" isn't going to do much to help your cause.
I will say this about Silat, he spends as much time helping newbies...answering questions...calling them to provide further help on HIS DIME...as he does flying. Probably a lot more. Silat is a gentlemen's gentleman on ch 200 and I wish half the folks who tune and preach on said "open channel" had the class + respect for other players that Silat has. Silat has been a member of the online air combat sim community for ages. If anyone's qualified to step up as a trainer, Silat is.
In the future, please communicate your concerns to the training staff at HTC as opposed to questioning Silat's ability, integrity or qualifications in this public forum. By doing so, you're doing yourself a woefull injustice.
DmdMax
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Hello Ted Strykker,
you have found out correctly that I am the Head Trainer of the Aces High Trainers Corps.
I do have a running updated list of who has requested to become Trainers, as well as who I watch that are helping in the TA, in the MA, in the CT, helping answer questions on the new "Help Channel" amongst other things, add to that how people respond to others needs here on the boards, not only in this "Training & Help forum" but in ALL FORUMS - main ones being the Tech, Hardware/Software Game Feedback & request ( known now as WishList Forum) , and the Bug forum. The other forums show me how they react and enteract in the community ( The General Discussion, The O'Club , The CT Forum etc etc etc...)
You can email me directly at TequilaChaser(@)flyaceshigh.com and we can discuss this further if you like.
as for Silat becoming a Trainer, he served his time helping in all aspects of the game beyond just teaching how to take off etc...he has helped on all accounts regarding technical issues, setup, hardware, etc...and he has put in just as much time in game if not more.
So it has nothing to do with the Buddy system! If it did wouldn't you think just about all Damned would be Trainers? because more than 2/3rds of us were Trainers or held Head Trainer position in Air Warrior at one time or another.
the rest of this we can discuss off list.
I can say this though. There are no spots available at this time, and will not be available until TOD is released and the Big Honcho's tell me they want more added!
Thank You Ted Strykker for all the help & support you have put forth to help the community, it has not and will not go un noticed I assure you.
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It is to a post about silat.
He was an example Maybe the training staff wanted someone that could actually teach a new player ACM and the other fine points of air combat other than how to HO?
I never HO and i don,t teach anyone too do the same.
....If you had 1 position to fill and several applicants, wouldnt you want the one that has prior experience?
You want the person that can best interprut the game too someone that doesn,t have a clue.I heard Silat today telling a new pilot too E-mail him so he could send him the help file,the new pilot was confused,he could have just told the new pilot too go too the HiTech web site and download it from there,or gave him the address too that site,instead he chose too confuse the new pilot.
I don,t really think any of you have the patience it takes too deal with someone who doesn,t even know how too type or talk for that matter.
Because the majority of you that are in the MA and someone new is asking for help ,1/2 the time people tell the new pilot too go too the TA.That's where people like myself who enjoy showing the new pilots how too get started and what does what ,that has the patience and the time too do so.
Is it also possible that this may be one of those e-mail to HTC itself type issues rather than an emberassing confrontation for all involved, here of all places, where the very new players you value could get an erronious impression and leave the game?
I,ve E-mail them,they don;t like too answer you.And as far as the new players go,i keep it real with them i don't BS anything,i,m staright too the point.That's why i am able too come across too them in a way they understand,other than hitting them with some tech talk.Their head is already spinning no sense in spinning it some more.
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Thank you TC for responding.Be looking for my E-mail.<<
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:aok
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Ted,
Most of the folks who responded here either have been trainers....or have significant experience helping others. As I stated in my original response....there is no basis to dispute Silate's selection. He is exceptionally qualified for the task....
I think you need to realize that an exceptional individual was choosen and not make it a personal issue. He'll be an outstanding addition to an already strong group. When you compare your overall experience to many in the "training corp" you'll realize that you (like many of us) have a long way to go on the open ended scale.....
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Around 2 years ago, I know that Silat was assembling his own custom help file. I know this because he asked to include material I wrote.
As a former AW CM and Trainer, I applaud your efforts, but taking your complaints here is not going to help your cause.
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What I find in short supply, is not trainers, but "what next?"
So you've read Shaw. So you know what goes up must come down. So you've boiled and busted eggs. What next? How do I pursue a plan? Where do you go from average to the next level. In AW and AH I have not seen anyone teach this. JMO - don't get mad. In the end I've found the answer was to "fight harder" but not how. I have been the target in many training sessions. I have yet to be trained- and thats over 15 years.
Show me films of a player being taken from newbie to a threat. It doesn't exist. Perseverance and ingenuity are the only things I know will get you there. Nobody is going to see you get better than them.
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Originally posted by BTW
What I find in short supply, is not trainers, but "what next?"
So you've read Shaw. So you know what goes up must come down. So you've boiled and busted eggs. What next? How do I pursue a plan? Where do you go from average to the next level. In AW and AH I have not seen anyone teach this. JMO - don't get mad. In the end I've found the answer was to "fight harder" but not how. I have been the target in many training sessions. I have yet to be trained- and thats over 15 years.
Show me films of a player being taken from newbie to a threat. It doesn't exist. Perseverance and ingenuity are the only things I know will get you there. Nobody is going to see you get better than them.
BTW ( etch ) I am reading from your post that you have hit a plateau, we can get you across this so you can "Find What Is Next!" one thing you must consider though some people can become KILLERS in as little as 18 months and then some individuals can fly all their life in an online Sim and never get a step further than average.
As noted above, The Training Corps/Program is being restructured. As for you not seeing anyone teaching "What's Next" in AW ( I find this truely hard to believe) and can tell you it is being worked on in AH. It is taught, but not on a regular basis. Once the restructuring is inplace I hope all find a better more productive and useful TA and Training Structure.
One more thing....don't expect the restructuring to ressemble something like AW had. It will be uniquely formatted for Aces High and all will gain knowledge from it...........(hoping I have not let my mouth overload my rear :( )
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Originally posted by BTW
What I find in short supply, is not trainers, but "what next?"
So you've read Shaw. So you know what goes up must come down. So you've boiled and busted eggs. What next? How do I pursue a plan? Where do you go from average to the next level. In AW and AH I have not seen anyone teach this. JMO - don't get mad. In the end I've found the answer was to "fight harder" but not how. I have been the target in many training sessions. I have yet to be trained- and thats over 15 years.
Show me films of a player being taken from newbie to a threat. It doesn't exist. Perseverance and ingenuity are the only things I know will get you there. Nobody is going to see you get better than them.
I can say for fact that ANY of the trainers can take you from avg to being the tops. I've only been playin AH for about 8 months now and for the 1st 4 to 5 months I stayed in the TA/DA exclusively working with TC, Ren, Fuze, Hammer.... I could go on and on. Having done that I can now at least compete with the best. I have them, along with vets that I'd run into in there, to thank for it. The key IMO BTW is to dedicate yourself to it. I think most get bored mindlessly doing the same thing over and over and getting beat up. They get discourged and quit, that just doesn't work. I feel you just have to be willing to day in and day out devote a good portion of your flying time to the DA/TA. Most don't b/c it's "not as fun" but if you do it and stick with it, it pays off. Look at me, I'm one of the TA poster boys lol.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Maybe the training staff wanted someone that could actually teach a new player ACM and the other fine points of air combat other than how to HO?
And we all know that only reason +Silat got the job is that he looks good in heels and a skirt. Ever thought of trying that?
ack-ack
:lol
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And even though you're not a trainer Ted, there is nothing stopping you from continuing to help new and veteran players alike. Do what a few of us do and post films of our fights to show certain maneuvers or tactics or even post some of your tips. Don't need to be a trainer to do that.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by BTW
What I find in short supply, is not trainers, but "what next?"
So you've read Shaw. So you know what goes up must come down. So you've boiled and busted eggs. What next? How do I pursue a plan? Where do you go from average to the next level. In AW and AH I have not seen anyone teach this. JMO - don't get mad. In the end I've found the answer was to "fight harder" but not how. I have been the target in many training sessions. I have yet to be trained- and thats over 15 years.
Show me films of a player being taken from newbie to a threat. It doesn't exist. Perseverance and ingenuity are the only things I know will get you there. Nobody is going to see you get better than them.
Part of the problem is that while you can tell someone to do something, you can't actually make them do it. Everyone is different. Everyone has different potential. Some guys have a naturally better grasp of their immediate environment.
The next time you drive anywhere, observe the other drivers. Some, no matter how many years they drive, will never be more than dangerous. Many are generally clueless to what's going on around them. You can try to teach them the principles of awareness, you can try to help them have a better grasp of speed and distance, but you cannot step inside their heads and engrave it into their understanding
As trainers, all we can do is provide information and examples. We cannot do any more for the poor pilot than a teacher can do for a slower student. That's why some kids excel at physics and others struggle with simple algebra. All we can do is try to help these people achieve the greatest level they are capable of. If that level is high, great! But, most players are going to be average at best and a number will never even get that good. Those are facts of life, unfortunate, but true.
Nothing anyone teaches you is more valuable than experience. People graduate college every spring with terrific grades, only to prove to be less than capable at a real job because all the education in the world cannot replace basic experience. Recently, my MA squad went to the TA and worked on merges. The fellow I was working with was appalled at how quickly I was able to reverse. Merely explaining it did not help him, he needed to apply what he heard and saw. That takes time and perseverance. He has improved and will continue to do so as long as he works at it. When I first started playing this game, I was in the same position. Players with far more experience were getting around on me so fast I was nearly convinced they had a cheat worked out. But, with time and experience I was able to improve to the point that those guys were no longer able to gain an advantage. As trainers, we can only offer explanations and provide examples, we cannot fly the plane for you.
Ultimately, the way you improve in this game is by flying, and flying often. Adding to that is a solid understanding of tactics. Adding further is the ability to fly your aircraft to its absolute limits and beyond. All of these things are almost exclusively the responsibility of the player to learn. Understanding the strengths and weaknesses of one's fighter is essential. Knowing your enemy's aircraft is equally important. Just because I can stall fight Spitfires with a P-51 doesn't mean I will do so in the MA. That's fighting to my enemy's strengths. What I want him to do is fight against my strengths. In other words, I want to force him to fight against my plane's strengths. Maximizing your advantage requires a pilot to fully understand the capabilities of both aircraft.
Another thing that is overlooked can be defined in a well known, but simple statement: "You will never rise above the level of your competition". This means that winning dogfights in the TA against other noobs is not a valid measure of ability. That is why I try to get the new players to practice dogfighting with Trainers. My personal view is that it is counter-productive to "go easy" on a new player. Sure, you give him plenty of opportunities to shoot so that he at least gets the basics of gunnery down. But, remind them that they have a long way to climb on the learning curve. However, I sometimes think that guys get a false sense of confidence, which gets shattered by the first decent pilot they encounter in the MA. Different environments call for different tactics.
The fact remains that there are guys who will find their Spitfire being outflown by a P-47 or an F4U. They cannot understand why this happens, because they always lose to Spits when they fly the P-47 or F4U. This happens because they can only utilize 80% of the Spitire's capablility, while that F4U driver is getting everything out of his plane that it's capable of.
For every Robert Johnson and Ira Bong, there were hundreds of average pilots. Nothing anyone does can elevate them to Johnson's level. Making Johnsons and Bongs out of a Joe Average is not something a trainer can ever accomplish. Ultimately, the only person who can make you better is you.
As to Silat; there wasn't a better qualified candidate for trainer than Silat in the entire AH2 population. Lew is a good teacher and has a tremdous amount of experience. He is also a heck of a nice guy. When the trainers were asked what they thought of adding Silat, every one of us gave him the highest endorsement.
It is almost a certainty that additional trainers will be needed. However, as we all can see, the game is in transition. When TOD debuts, the demand for trainers is expected to increase and slots will likely be added. So, those of you who want to be trainers should not be discouraged. We certainly appreciate the efforts of those who pitch in and help new players. With or without a title, such contributions are important. As TC stated, their efforts will not go unnoticed by HTC.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Ted Strykker
I have played this game for long enough.
I go into the TA today and see that Silat has been made a trainer.
I havn,t seen him in there that much at all in Ah-1 or Ah-2 but now he gets a trainer postion,when i ask how he says "well i was a trainer in AW".
So my question is this,does a person get a trainer postion based on "The Buddy System" ,or does a person become a trainer based on his time spent in the TA helping people and making sure that others don't disrupt that?
Im not sure what you mean by havent seen me much in ah1 or 2 but my addiction speaks for itself:)
Ive been helping people since beta in AH. I was in the training corp in AW. That doesnt mean that I get to be a trainer. Actually I think it was the box of New York steaks and a night with Fifi the love ewe that I arranged for TC that did the trick.
Also the hi heels and lingerie I now wear might have helped too.
And when you asked me about being a trainer I didnt really know what to say as I thought you were being sarcastic:) So all I could think of was that I had experience which was what my comment meant.
I must say though that you would be better served talking privately to the head trainer when you want information about being a trainer.
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Originally posted by Ted Strykker
He was an example
You want the person that can best interprut the game too someone that doesn,t have a clue.I heard Silat today telling a new pilot too E-mail him so he could send him the help file,the new pilot was confused,he could have just told the new pilot too go too the HiTech web site and download it from there,or gave him the address too that site,instead he chose too confuse the new pilot.
Ted I have my own helpfiles that I compiled myself which include the files from HTC. I tell the pilots to write me personally so they can have it. It has pictures so that they can setup easily. I didnt confuse anyone. Im not sure why you are critiquing me? Oh and by the way that newbie wrote me and now has the helpfiles:).
I don,t really think any of you have the patience it takes too deal with someone who doesn,t even know how too type or talk for that matter.
I have called dozens of people long distance in America and Europe to help them understand setup and the radio. Ive never left anyone hanging..
Because the majority of you that are in the MA and someone new is asking for help ,1/2 the time people tell the new pilot too go too the TA.That's where people like myself who enjoy showing the new pilots how too get started and what does what ,that has the patience and the time too do so.
WTG Keep up the good work.
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Silat ...When are you gonna wear those purple heals and the striped stockings again ? ...
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Silat ...When are you gonna wear those purple heals and the striped stockings again ? ...
:D
Rosco this weekend.
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Originally posted by Silat
I have called dozens of people long distance in America and Europe to help them understand setup and the radio. Ive never left anyone hanging.
About a year and 1/2 ago (possibly less) Silat called me at home and tried to help me out with a technical issue. We exchanged many emails, and the bottom line is he went above and beyond.
He's one of the "good guys". Those rare someones that make the game better every chance they get.
Don't be to distressed about not makin' the Training Corps. I once asked Ghost about being a trainer, and spent an hour a day, every day for several months (ish, i'm sure i missed a couple days) helping out in the TA.
Never did get the invite... and I would like to think I'm one of the "good ole' boys" but come to think of it, maybe not.... I woulda had the Trainer slot if I was eh?
I'm MORE concerned that Silat choose the Training Corps over the Campaign Managers (yeah, yeah lew, I know, your schedule) but I woulda been happy to duel TC over who get's Silat.
All in all, from the sour grapes that I have read here, and in many, many other posts by you, I would say you need look no further as to why you were not invited. Why would HTC want someone helping them out, that exhibit this sort of behavior? THAT is the question to ask oneself. It wouldn't matter HOW many new players someone helped out if they go off the deep end on a consistent basis. That is just a headache that neither TC, nor HTC needs or wants.
Me? It worked out in the end with me. I found a home as a CM for SnapShots and King of the Hill, and am quite happy with getting AH special events to a new level of "coolness".
My advice Ted would be to just keep pluggin' away. Get involved in the game as much as possible. Get yourself "known" as a level headed, helpful sort, and I am positive you will see the opportunities you seek come your way. Many who have chimed in on this thread have your best interests (and the game of course) at heart, so please take the constructive criticism as it is intended, to help YOU out.
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You know lute this was a thread directed at 1 of the trainers not anyone else.
for the 3rd and final time i was not saying anything bad about silat,everyone else that responed turned it into that just like in every other thread.
And as far as coolness in the SEA,It will never be the way itr was when the 880 had a Hand in it.
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How many people do you think have active accounts in Aces High?
Personally I'm guessing between 5 & 10 thousand, but it could be quite a bit higher.
There are exactly 10 trainers.
So for every 1000 people who ask "how can I be a trainer?" we have to find a way to let them down easy, keep them still interested, keep them still helping. And keep an eye on them to see if they really do have potential.
1 of those 1000 people will "at some point" be selected to be a trainer. That one has to not only be good, he has to excell. Of all our current trainers, all of them excell at something. Silat excells in many areas, it was literally no contest.
Last, Silat did not ask to be a trainer.
He knew the job, had the tools for the job, and was doing the job long before we had a open spot. All we did was make it offical.
Yes I am no longer the head Trainer, TC is. However, if I have taught this bunch of maroons ANYTHING. It is that trainers have to be chosen. Power corrupts, trainers have close to absolute power in the TA. Enough so that that trainers have to be selected not only by what they know, and can teach, but by how well they can deal with power.
Temptation comes in many forms
and its more seductive than Brittany Spears. Trainers must be solid mature adults to be able to deal with it.
I'll even give you an example.
Artlaw = Great pilot, nice guy, terrible trainer. Not because he couldn't teach, because he can. But because he lost control.
Silat = Great pilot, nice guy, good trainer. Not because he can teach (50% of AH pilots can teach) But because he is ROCK SOLID.
Ted, for all practical purposes you can pretty much figure that this thread has removed any chance you had for the next year or 2. Yes you have been flying AH long enough to be able to pass at least some of that on. Its a shame that you'll probably stop doing that.
As for you WmLute, glad to see that you found another home. You'd of made a good trainer, in a year or so.
You gave up way too soon bro.
Patience is a virtue :)
Of course the real test of any trainer is time. Looking back at the choices I've made I see some good, some bad, some exceptional.
TC got lucky, he picked one solid gold winner right off the start. That alone tells me that the TA corp is in good hands.
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Originally posted by Ted Strykker
That's why i am able too come across too them in a way they understand,other than hitting them with some tech talk.Their head is already spinning no sense in spinning it some more.
Well.... I can barely understand you at all. At least stop using too instead of to.
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Originally posted by Ted Strykker
You know lute this was a thread directed at 1 of the trainers not anyone else.
Then DON'T POST IT ON THE BBS.
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Ted <
> I would like to commend you on helping the new players ease into the game, it takes alot of time and patience to be able to help "walk" someone through the initial startup for AH. Maybe we can hook up sometime in the TA and work on some things.
TC <> for grabbing one of the most well known and respected players in our game for the training corps, Silat is a great addition for newbies and veterans alike that want to move their game to the next level.
Silat <> to you and all our trainers that help with out in the TA, MA and on the boards, I most definately appreciate the help that you guys offer. Everyone from trainers to CM's prolly don't get nearly as much recognition as you deserve but rest assured it doesn't go unnoticed to the majority of our community.
:aok
DaPup
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I think all the current trainers are terrible.... They don't even use all the adjatives and adverbs I heard in flight training....... Of course that was so long ago there were a lot less words to choose from back then....
Anyway as soon as my K/D ratio is greater then zero I'm going to ask..... No... Demand to be a trainer..... As long as I don't have to deal with all those new guys and teach flying and ACM and all that other stuff....
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Originally posted by Ghosth
TC got lucky, he picked one solid gold winner right off the start.
well, Ghosth, how could we all resist Him in his High Heels, Pink tutu with purple poka dots , all while doing the Salsa on the dance floor ( in reference to Solid Gold response )
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Ted Strykker, I have yet to receive an email from you, Sir.
plase drop posting to this thread, you are hurting yourself more than helping. I was happy and fine with your post of you saying thanks for the response , TC, I will be emailing you.
Please, also, continue to strive for that spot at being a Trainer, if that is your goal.
Every Trainer here in Aces High, is not here for any type of Glory , Stardom, Recognition. We are here because we urn to give something back to the community, and help the community prosper to even greater heights. Because we were taught and instructed from our peers of long ago, who were them selves unselfishly giving to the community, that is a way, that is tradition! Let it not go unbroken and may the ropes be passed down thru generation after generation with out change!
If one desires to be a trainer, so than can gain attention, want pats on the back, trying to make a name for them selves etc........then they have all the wrong reasons for being a trainer to start with!
nuff said! ~S~
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Sorry TC i been making a race Map for KO.
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Ted, you really need to work on that relaxation thing man. K? I can name you a handful of guys right off the top of my head who were AW trainers and are not trainers here. Myself included in that. Being a trainer in an entirely different game with a different FM and different gunnery rules............none of that is applicable here, other than you know how to work the controls. Experience in AW or WB or MSCFS or any other combat flight sim has so little to do with training people in Aces High its laughable. To suggest that people get the job on a favoritsm basis is silly. TC has been doing this a looooong time. He's good at it. He has seen more trainers come and go both here and in AW than I've ever even met. He understands (as does ghosth) what a good trainer is and what he or she has to offer the community. If they picked someone over you, dont take it personally. People are picked for a number of qualities, most of which only come with experience and time. Skill isnt the biggest thing. Nor is knowledge of ACM. The most important skills are maturity, the ability to communicate, and a really well developed sense of humor.
Ive seen your complaints. You simply didnt have all the facts, and it looked different from your point of view. You assumed, and ....... well, we all know what happens when you assume. If some of the guys in this thread were a bit hard on you, well thats part of what it takes to be a good trainer. A thick skin. You are going to have guys that are already frustrated from a night or two in the MA and being made fun of or whatever, and they are going to go off on you and be hard to control. If you give them the attitude you gave the guys in here, that would pretty much end it for that player right there. You have the enthusiasm, you have a good working knowledge of ACM and how the game works. I can see you have trouble in the patience department. I do as well. I've known Silat since he first showed up in the AW training arenas looking to learn the game. I've rarely known anyone more level-headed and helpful to others, or with a better sense of humor. Given his experience, added with his other qualities, I doubt they could have made a better choice. You shouldnt be upset if they chose him. It's hard to compete with those ankles in the right shoes. And he finds all the finest sheep.
<> Congrats Silat.
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You guys know that all this talk about Silat in heels is brainwashing. I find myself starting to think Silat is a girl from time to time. It ain't right damnit!:D
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>>Some, no matter how many years they drive, will never be more than dangerous. <<
Intellectually I know this - I guess I'm just having a hard time admitting it :)
On the bright side, my post wasn't half as bad as I remembered. Thought I was gonna have to cancel another account :o
You all offer good advice - my problem is I think there is a recipe and there probably isn't. Some people sing like an angel, others cant carry a tune in a bucket no matter how much they are taught. I suspect dog fighting is a little like that.
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Actually there are multiple "recipes"....
I think at some level inate ability is the final barrier....however you can get awful close....at least at times. Since it's so intuitive we all tend to get trapped into a series of repetative responses under specific conditions.
Way back when it was pretty easy for me to help those in the "beginning intermediate" range. Invariably the issues were easily identifyable in the opening or midgame or endgame....
So you started with being bounced...showed them how easily a good piot could negate the initial advantage...moved to the merge...then mid fight tactics and reversals....then edge of the envelope angles fighting.
In 60 to 90 days you take a guy to the point he could put up a good fight against almost anyone....
But then you begin to hit the wall....where subtle variations and/or choices make all the difference. Some folks never evolve beyond a good understanding of "the basics"....others quickly evolve to a much higher level. But in the end it takes a real good trainer to get you beyond your "comfort level". Usually its a couple of very specific misconceptions that you repeat instinctively....
I know that in 90% of the good 1 on 1's I lose I think I'm winning....right up to the point I'm toast:)....
Those are the ones that drive you nuts....if you get hosed on the merge its easy to rationalize...but when you think your "winning" and then your used parts fluttering earthward....@#$%^
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Sounds like he just wants the ability to boot people from TA.
Here is an example of a GREAT Trainer;
I was in training area with major video issues (on top of others)
Silat happened to be flying. He asked permission to contact me on the phoine to talk me through some of my problems.
He was in UTAH? I am in Kentucky. He called and worked with me on the phone for 1.25 hrs. YES 1 hour and 15 minutes. Got everything fixed plus hooked me up with some great downloads. So not only did I get "Trained" but also met a GREAT friend.
NOW....THIS IS A GREAT TRAINER....I think HTC should credit him 600 mos. Free!!!!!!
:lol
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
You guys know that all this talk about Silat in heels is brainwashing. I find myself starting to think Silat is a girl from time to time. It ain't right damnit!:D
Kermit I happen to have it on good authority that Silat is a former nun now taking male growth hormone injections.
DmdMax
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Now that you mention it....he/she was awfffuulllyyy friendly ???:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by weasel4
Sounds like he just wants the ability to boot people from TA.
Here is an example of a GREAT Trainer;
I was in training area with major video issues (on top of others)
Silat happened to be flying. He asked permission to contact me on the phoine to talk me through some of my problems.
He was in UTAH? I am in Kentucky. He called and worked with me on the phone for 1.25 hrs. YES 1 hour and 15 minutes. Got everything fixed plus hooked me up with some great downloads. So not only did I get "Trained" but also met a GREAT friend.
NOW....THIS IS A GREAT TRAINER....I think HTC should credit him 600 mos. Free!!!!!!
:lol
Oregon:)
Weasl you thought my time was free?:)
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Originally posted by DMax
Kermit I happen to have it on good authority that Silat is a former nun now taking male growth hormone injections.
DmdMax
Im done with the hormone therapy now.
And I wasnt a nun. I used to be a rabbi but now im a jewish american princess.
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I'm going to chime in here, not because I want to, but because I can! :p
I was a trainer in AW for a short time before it's demise. If you want the whole story of how I became one, ask, but it's too long to post here.
What I experienced as a trainer (perhaps) answers the following:
Originally posted by BTW
Show me films of a player being taken from newbie to a threat. It doesn't exist.
And you will never see them. Here's how it works..
A trainer takes someone who (at ANY level--beginning to advanced) wants to learn to get better. Let's take a beginner, for example. Pilot 1 takes beginning ACM everyday for a few weeks from several different trainers, because the same trainer isn't available every time he comes in. Mr./Ms. 1 has been using this useful information in the MA and has become confident enough and (perhaps) is invited/joins a squad.
The squad makes 1 a better pilot because of winging and squad tactics. Several months/years later, "1" comes back to training because there is a desire to be as good as, or better, than the "perceived best".
"1" is already much better than before, and there is no recordable measure of progress because of the gap in training. Threre's not really a way around that. I suppose you could get films from training "1" (who keeps those?) and compare them to current films shot by "1". That's a tough task, though, considering how many folks go through training..
As for this:
Nobody is going to see you get better than them.
Not true. I saw trainees in AW who started at the basic ACM level I taught to go on to train with Drano, KGann, and others. I had a hard time fighting them.
It is actually one of the rewarding things about me being a trainer--seeing a former student come up and kick butt. I had to re-think some of my flying. Why? Because these students were using the same things I was because we were teaching them how we flew.
It's actually funny when you can identify a (former) student in the main arena by the way he/she flies!
Well, good luck! and when all else fails, have fun!
Wind
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The Damned Air Group
(former) AW Trainer
(former) WWIIOL Head Trainer
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Lew,
Can I have Drano's Lavendar pumps back? I need to get them back to his wife before he realizes she knows they are missing...
W~
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>>Nobody is going to see you get better than them.
I'm embarrassed of that line. I'd like to think that was the beer. Most trainers I've met put up with more bull than anyone should have to. If you've ever worked with the public, you can imagine how trying a trainers job could be. Anyone doing a trainers job for prestige, would quit after the 50th time of explaining how to raise the landing gear or turn on smoke. They do enjoy teaching, I know that, and I don't for a second believe they would hold back in teaching someone something. That was a dumb thing to write - and I'm an expert in writing dumb things.
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In my opinion,
And this is just that, persons such as Ted should be given the opportunity to be a trainer on a probation basis. I know Silat will be a good trainer, because he is addicted to the game and wants others to help feed his addiction! Seriously, Silat will help any who ask (and has done so on many occasions).
Perhaps, Ted can work on developing that type of reputation? Maybe in the MA when another has some question Ted can help them out? I expect he probably already does this. I know Silat always has.
Again with my opinion... being a leader, or a trainer, or a (fill in the blank) starts with the desire to do so. I don't know why Ted wants to become a trainer, but his desire to become one means he will (most likely) work hard at the role. Maybe, he really wants to learn AH and realizes the only real way to master a subject is to teach it?
But then, I don't think you need a title to do that. With 10K accounts, 10 trainers is covering the need pretty thin. Rarely when I go into the TA will I see a trainer (not a criticism, just a comment). Being in the TA and training people makes you a trainer by default. It helps to be curtous, kind, cheerful, and friendly.
Regards,
Malta
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As a former member of the AWTA, and a mod on AOL AW, I take exceptio to the idea that AH is SO different that ther is no corellation to training in both games.
Training anything, in essence, is the ability to communicate your knowledge to another. You have to have the ability to recognize what your student needs (its rarely what they're asking for), make the student understand what it is that you can offer him, present this opinion to the student in a way that causes him to trust your judgement while at the same time showing the student that he does have the capability to perform what you ask him to do and MORE (respect your student), communicate the information to the student in such a way that he can not only understand it, but build upon it on his own.
All this leaves the student with a good learning experience that he feels was a valuable use of his time, and causes him to want to return for more training with you or another instructor.
Training is not a place for egos, rather is neccesitates a squashing of the trainers ego while building up the students ego in a non-patronizing way (nothing sucks more than false praise).
it also requires a sense of humor, both the ability to laugh at yourself, and to PRIVATELY find humor in the student. Without that humor, frustration and condensation enter rapidly, resulting in another burned out trainer just going through the motions. A trainer must also remember that he can learn from his students, if not how to play the game, at least how to regain the happy glee of someone trying something new for them :) Nothing is more dangerous than a trainer who thinks he has nothing left to learn.
Salute to all the trainers! I may be seeing some of you soon...I need help .
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Originally posted by Wind
I'm going to chime in here, not because I want to, but because I can! :p
I was a trainer in AW for a short time before it's demise. If you want the whole story of how I became one, ask, but it's too long to post here.
I belive it involved the Witness Protection program. Problem was, once they saw him fly no one would believe he was a trainer. :p
"1" is already much better than before, and there is no recordable measure of progress because of the gap in training. Threre's not really a way around that. I suppose you could get films from training "1" (who keeps those?) and compare them to current films shot by "1". That's a tough task, though, considering how many folks go through training..
Wind, I STILL have training videos from AW on my old hard drive. :) Matter of fact, I still have some squad night videos with you in them. I'da used them for blackmail, but people here can recognize a dweeb too. ;)
As for this:
Not true. I saw trainees in AW who started at the basic ACM level I taught to go on to train with Drano, KGann, and others. I had a hard time fighting them.
It is actually one of the rewarding things about me being a trainer--seeing a former student come up and kick butt. I had to re-think some of my flying. Why? Because these students were using the same things I was because we were teaching them how we flew.
It's actually funny when you can identify a (former) student in the main arena by the way he/she flies!
You can always tell the one's Wind trained. They fly upside down with the smoke on and their gear out. They HO people (because really, do you think they are ever gonna get a 6 shot flyin like that?) and often fly C-47s. Someone has to bring the sheep and the beer when you take a base! Wind always made sure we had cold kegs and warm sheep for the party. :aok
Well, good luck! and when all else fails, have fun!
Wind
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The Damned Air Group
(former) AW Trainer
(former) WWIIOL Head Trainer
<> bud :p
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Salute to all the trainers including Silat, Ren, Ghosth.... and to all those who have taken time to help, when they did not have to. The strongest dynamic in Aces High is the community of great people in here.
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daMIG
p.s. WTG HiTech at pushing the envelope as well!
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BTW, its ok, no offence taken here.
But I can quite easily prove its not true.
The List of students who have suprassed their trainer is a LONG one.
I can say however that ever now & then someone comes along. Probably happens to have perfect reflexes, and a photographic memory.
When it happens, its magic, its also rare.
I think Ammo went from newbie to killing machine in less than 6 months. he was one of the better p-47 pilots AH has ever seen.
He also worked at it very very hard. Couple hours a day of flying, another hour reading shaw, or plane data.
That sort of dedication adds up.
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From my personal experience as a trainer I can tell you I got more than a few tire tracks up my back. At the same time I dont think I met more then a handful of guys I didnt help in some way.
Now back then the TA really did triple duty as a TA/FFA/DA (yes we had some problems)....but truthfully I felt then (and do now) that it was an ideal enviornment.
I'd work with guys who would then go FFA or take a run at one of the "big guns" {DMF (levi), citabria (fester) Jase Nash and a host of others....then come back and work some more. Or they'd tag along as an observer and watch me get stomped on (most of the time) by the above mentioned or FFA for a bit.
When things were slow DMF Jase or Nash (among others) would take me out to the woodshed...but I actually felt in some small way that I even contributed something back some of the time.
IMO a good trainer doesnt need to be the "best" pilot (although he needs to be pretty good)...he needs to be able to help the "student" get the most out of his ability.
After all, I bet Tiger gives Butch Harmon more then a couple strokes a side:).....
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I've worked with the public in other areas of my life (hehe believe it or not :D) and you couldn't pay me to do with you guys do.
Again that was a dumb, way out thing I wrote. I shoulda ended that message one line sooner:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Wind
Lew,
Can I have Drano's Lavendar pumps back? I need to get them back to his wife before he realizes she knows they are missing...
W~
Im feeling a slight BREEZE in here.:)
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Originally posted by Shaky
As a former member of the AWTA, and a mod on AOL AW, I take exceptio to the idea that AH is SO different that ther is no corellation to training in both games.
Training anything, in essence, is the ability to communicate your knowledge to another. You have to have the ability to recognize what your student needs (its rarely what they're asking for), make the student understand what it is that you can offer him, present this opinion to the student in a way that causes him to trust your judgement while at the same time showing the student that he does have the capability to perform what you ask him to do and MORE (respect your student), communicate the information to the student in such a way that he can not only understand it, but build upon it on his own.
All this leaves the student with a good learning experience that he feels was a valuable use of his time, and causes him to want to return for more training with you or another instructor.
Training is not a place for egos, rather is neccesitates a squashing of the trainers ego while building up the students ego in a non-patronizing way (nothing sucks more than false praise).
it also requires a sense of humor, both the ability to laugh at yourself, and to PRIVATELY find humor in the student. Without that humor, frustration and condensation enter rapidly, resulting in another burned out trainer just going through the motions. A trainer must also remember that he can learn from his students, if not how to play the game, at least how to regain the happy glee of someone trying something new for them :) Nothing is more dangerous than a trainer who thinks he has nothing left to learn.
Salute to all the trainers! I may be seeing some of you soon...I need help .
GREAT POST / THOUGHTS :aok
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what shaky said
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i waited long enough to chime in here...
you can train people without having to be a formal part of the "Trainer Corps"
honestly, your opening remarks gave the impression you merely wanted the bwanas for booting people - that's a fringe benefit, not a goal unto itself.
so feel free to continue training people on your own, start your own "training corps" for that matter, even if it doesn't involve any formal recognition by HTC. Just tell poepl to make sure they click that credit thingy (that still exists, right?) and you can earn your freebie account so to speak by hustling for bidness.
do it better than the existing corps and who knows... darwin, free market and all that.
my dos pesos.
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Originally posted by Shane
do it better than the existing corps and who knows... darwin, free market and all that.
my dos pesos.
Darwin???
Dont you know that the new science is Intelligent Design:)
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on this bbs? you gotta be kidding!! any intelligence found here is entirely accidental.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Shane
i waited long enough to chime in here...
you can train people without having to be a formal part of the "Trainer Corps"
Bingo
I have literly spent probably a thousand hours traning people in the DA. There is no need for an offical title. If you really want to help people than just do so. The rest will take care of itself.
Mak
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whoa wait just a minute here............you mean to tell me we have a training arena here? GREAT! I ve wasted all this time becoming useless for nothing? I could have been taught to be useless in less than a year?:p :D
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Let no one understate the value of unofficial trainers. With just official 10 trainers, it can get a bit thin at times. I spend at least three evenings a week in the TA and try to get some time during the weekend. That does not include DA time.
TA coverage: I may log 12 hours a week training. Now, if every Trainer logs 12 hours, that adds up a total of 120 hours. Frequently, there are two trainers online at a time, so lets throw out 30 hours leaving 90 hours of TA coverage. However, some trainers don't get close to 12 hours a week. So, lets revise that number down by another 20 hours. So, let's say there is 70 hours of Trainer coverage per week. That leaves 98 hours when there are no Trainers in the TA.
Here's another factor. When working with brand-new players who need to be walked through set-up and basic flying, the Trainer can only work effectively with one person at a time. It seems that there is always one person in the TA who needs that level of assistance.
Contributions by players are not just helpful, they are necessary and greatly appreciated by everyone.
My regards,
Widewing
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>>"If you really want to help people than just do so. The rest will take care of itself.
Mak"<<
here here. And hats off to all that do... I have been assisted but countless of "non-Trainers" trainers.
Good Stuff.
Thanks again to yous guys! Dont let my 2978 rank fool ya, I am gettin better!
:lol
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Originally posted by daMIG
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Thanks again to yous guys! Dont let my 2978 rank fool ya, I am gettin better!
:lol [/B]
Yep. Rank means everyt.. ahhh... nothing anyway. ;)
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Originally posted by Silat
WTG Keep up the good work.
Wow! Steak and High Heels! Im in.
Silat I need some coaching. I was protecting field A25 I was flying a hurricane and was swarmed by 12 enemies. C47 approaching our leveled town. La-7 took my aileron My fuel was hit and oil splash on windshield.
I can get the C-47 but out of nowhere a spit comes HO with me. I remember the Top Trainer "Ted Stryker" from aces high in TA area say never HO under any situation. So I backed off and I tried to avoid which I did. The C-47 had just enough time to reverse and as I take a second approach another con comes in for the HO I avoid the HO again due to the supreme allied Trainer Ted Stryker's voice in My Head "My son You shall never HO under any condition." By this time the trrops were dropped and we lost the field and also the war. In the transition of Host disconected my computer crashed and My holdings in Enron well you know the rest.......
So Silat, should I have just ho'd the spit and than killed the Goon c-47? I feel my training was flawed.
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Originally posted by Panzullo
I feel my training was flawed.
Well i guess so is mine then...
I keep dying many a honorable deaths every day cause i refuse to HO, Cherry and Vulch with the best of them.
Ill have to stick to high heels and skirts then :eek: . :D . Or is that the reason why all the rooks and bish out there stick to my posterior like glue???
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Originally posted by Panzullo
Wow! Steak and High Heels! Im in.
Silat I need some coaching. I was protecting field A25 I was flying a hurricane and was swarmed by 12 enemies. C47 approaching our leveled town. La-7 took my aileron My fuel was hit and oil splash on windshield.
I can get the C-47 but out of nowhere a spit comes HO with me. I remember the Top Trainer "Ted Stryker" from aces high in TA area say never HO under any situation. So I backed off and I tried to avoid which I did. The C-47 had just enough time to reverse and as I take a second approach another con comes in for the HO I avoid the HO again due to the supreme allied Trainer Ted Stryker's voice in My Head "My son You shall never HO under any condition." By this time the trrops were dropped and we lost the field and also the war. In the transition of Host disconected my computer crashed and My holdings in Enron well you know the rest.......
So Silat, should I have just ho'd the spit and than killed the Goon c-47? I feel my training was flawed.
First off c 47's are a deadly ENEMA. I have died many times to their superior firepower. You should have rammed the spit then as you are falling to earth whined profusely on channel 200 so the whole arena knew that you were the victim of an injustice of immense magnitude.
Secondly the only voice in your head should be mine reminding you to refresh my drink.
Thirdly stay out of the stock market and buy much duct tape to protect you from terrorist attack.
Fourth and most impoTENT buy my TEEN SQUELCH HACK which now works on anyone under 26 years of age. If you buy now you get a 10% off coupon to Muttonbone.com. All this for only $.36.
And most importantly, do not drink the koolaid before a mission.
And where is TED? Name change perhaps?
I dont feel normal unless Im being stalked and criticized:)
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Ill have to stick to high heels and skirts then :eek: . :D . Or is that the reason why all the rooks and bish out there stick to my posterior like glue???
hmm, be hard to say if that is the reason or not, Schatzi, got a picture of ya persona or posterior even? :D :rofl
( just kidding seriously, but but you got my private email ;) )
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
hmm, be hard to say if that is the reason or not, Schatzi, got a picture of ya persona or posterior even? :D :rofl
( just kidding seriously, but but you got my private email ;) )
Check my sig ;)
But my advice if you ever see Schutt again would be.... RUN!!!!! :eek:
:D
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Check my sig ;)
But my advice if you ever see Schutt again would be.... RUN!!!!! :eek:
:D
but what if he oe me even is asking for help/cover? we do ( or did fly on the same country last I recall :)
is all in good humor ,, of course u all ready knew this :)