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Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: SkyWolf on August 18, 2005, 07:34:58 AM: Can someone do some really great B skins like we had before? Since I sucked, got worse with the Trakir, and started flying Bish.... I've decided to further handicap myself by flying the B.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: P-51B Skin
Post by: Widewing on August 18, 2005, 05:53:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyWolf
I've decided to further handicap myself by flying the B.

Performance wise, the P-51B is one the best fighters in the game.

It's only weakness is its guns and ammo load.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Re: P-51B Skin
Post by: SkyWolf on August 19, 2005, 07:26:41 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Widewing
Performance wise, the P-51B is one the best fighters in the game.

It's only weakness is its guns and ammo load.

My regards,

Widewing

Ya... that's what I mean. Enough performance to keep me alive...... bad guns and ammo load. You are correct however, the guns don't come into play as I can't hit jack feces anyway.
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: gnubee on August 24, 2005, 11:18:35 PM: I must say that I'd love to see some more Pony-B skins put into the game... I'm getting addicted to that thing and like to see a few more options avaliable for it... :aok

And since I have no skinning skill of my own... please oh please please oh please!
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 02:21:17 AM: Im looking for B Pony skins to do.

Question is what one should I do.

Personally Id like to do either a color full one or a bare metal one. I dont wana do a olive dab one at least not a fully painted olive dab and I dont wana do a RAF camo one.

Im thinking of a RAF bare metal one but really Im up for sudgestions.

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TDeacon on August 26, 2005, 09:06:46 AM: Do "Salem Representative", as depicted in the Osprey "Mustang Aces of the Eighth Air Force", plate 2.
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 09:15:15 AM: you mean this one right?

http://www.4thfg.com/images/resource/salemrep.jpg

looks good to me.

If anyone is able to find a better profile and/or the emblem on it I would be really great full.

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TDeacon on August 26, 2005, 09:25:51 AM: Yes
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 11:53:53 AM: Is the top of the wings painted or bare metal?

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TDeacon on August 26, 2005, 12:10:55 PM: Don't know, but pages 13 and 69 of the same book show what appears to be a "b" and a "d" with similar-looking fuselage colors and a painted wing. Am currently searching on Internet, and so far have found:

http://www.combatsim.com/memb123/htm/2002/12/kidhofer/

http://noseartjacket.com/salem.htm
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 01:06:58 PM: Started some work on it....

(http://www.riha-games.com/ah/p51b/3.JPG)

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Guppy35 on August 26, 2005, 01:36:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TexMurphy
Is the top of the wings painted or bare metal?

Tex

Top of the wing was painted OD as was the spine of the fuselage and the upper parts of the horizontal stabilizer.

This was done when it was thought that some of the groups would be moving to the continent. There weren't many done in the 4th that way, but Salem Representative was one of them.

Link to thread on this bird previously where I posted some photos.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132492
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 01:51:21 PM: Dan you ARE the man!!!

Thank you!!!

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 02:08:53 PM: Ohh one more question Dan.

What font is it that is used on that plane? ITs not the USAAF stencil found here http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/colours/fonts.html.

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Guppy35 on August 26, 2005, 03:14:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TexMurphy
Ohh one more question Dan.

What font is it that is used on that plane? ITs not the USAAF stencil found here http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/colours/fonts.html.

Tex

Not positive on the font. Since the 4th had real RAF beginnings, it might be an RAF font.

Try here and grab the RAF fonts if you haven't already.

http://hans.presto.tripod.com/fonts/stencil5.html
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 03:25:07 PM: If you look at the screenie it does use the RAF font.

(http://www.riha-games.com/ah/p51b/4.JPG)

Does it look right to you?

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Guppy35 on August 26, 2005, 03:27:35 PM: A place to get a copy of a biography done on the Kidd

http://www.starduststudios.com/new.htm

And some images that were in that first thread but I'd deleted from picture hanger for some reason :)

Note that the wing stripe on the main wing was still black, even though it was an OD top. It was white on top on the rear horizontal stabilizers.

And it did have full D-Day stripes for the invasion and the Russian Shuttle flight, so you have the option to do the May 44 version or the June 44 version

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1125087920_kidd5.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1125087840_kidd4.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1125087796_kidd2.jpg)
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Guppy35 on August 26, 2005, 03:28:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TexMurphy
If you look at the screenie it does use the RAF font.

(http://www.riha-games.com/ah/p51b/4.JPG)

Does it look right to you?

Tex

Looks darn close if not right on. Gotta believe Salem Rep will get used a lot when it gets in game :)
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 04:20:48 PM: On mixed color and baremetal skins its so hard to get metal and colors right. Colors either get too metalic or metal too painted.

Personally Im biased towards getting the metal right first and then getting the color as good as posible. Dont know what you guys thing. Should I do it other way around?

(http://www.riha-games.com/ah/p51b/ingame1.jpg)

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TDeacon on August 26, 2005, 04:31:31 PM: Looks nice, but the drab color looks a bit too grey on my monitor.

(BTW, I didn't know you could download skin-related fonts (...). Where does one install them for Photoshop?)
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 04:44:22 PM: Yeah the olive dab is off.

Does anyone have a RGB code for Olive Dab?

I so do miss skinnershaven.. :(

You install the fonts in your standard windows font directory. In my case D:\WinXP\fonts

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TDeacon on August 26, 2005, 05:01:21 PM: Thanks, another question (hijacking your thread here); where did you get the USAAF code font?
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: MachNix on August 26, 2005, 05:13:51 PM: An RGB code for Olive Drab is 93, 91, 43 but may not be committee approved.

Don't forget the black id bands on top of the wings and those white-wall tires.
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Guppy35 on August 26, 2005, 05:35:40 PM: Quote
Originally posted by MachNix
An RGB code for Olive Drab is 93, 91, 43 but may not be committee approved.

Don't forget the black id bands on top of the wings and those white-wall tires.

As long as we're pointing things out :)

The red on the nose should extend right up to the front of the exhausts. Your's ends a bit short of that right now

And of course "KIDD" on the left wing wheel door.
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 05:37:31 PM: @TDeacon

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/colours/fonts.html.

@MachNix

Edit: Never mind see what you mean. Will do.

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 26, 2005, 05:41:01 PM: Dan your right on the red to the exhausts... the pic I made it of was wrong.. will fix..

Will definatly add "Kidd" on the wheel door just not gotten to it yet. Question though. Do you know how the right wheel door should be painted, if at all?

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Guppy35 on August 26, 2005, 06:11:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TexMurphy
Dan your right on the red to the exhausts... the pic I made it of was wrong.. will fix..

Will definatly add "Kidd" on the wheel door just not gotten to it yet. Question though. Do you know how the right wheel door should be painted, if at all?

Tex

Right wheel door would have the spot where the wing ID band crossed it. Nothing else
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Widewing on August 26, 2005, 07:14:32 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TexMurphy
Dan your right on the red to the exhausts... the pic I made it of was wrong.. will fix..

Will definatly add "Kidd" on the wheel door just not gotten to it yet. Question though. Do you know how the right wheel door should be painted, if at all?

Tex

Both gear doors were painted with "Kidd".

(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/Hofer1.jpg)

(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/Hofer2.jpg)

(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/KiddRed.jpg)

My regards,

Widewing
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Widewing on August 26, 2005, 07:17:55 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Guppy35
Right wheel door would have the spot where the wing ID band crossed it. Nothing else

I believe that I have seen a photo with "Kidd" on the right gear door as well. At least one commercial decal sheet for the plane provides two of them.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: oboe on August 26, 2005, 07:45:01 PM: Don't forget the whitewall tires!
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Guppy35 on August 26, 2005, 11:20:18 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Widewing
I believe that I have seen a photo with "Kidd" on the right gear door as well. At least one commercial decal sheet for the plane provides two of them.

My regards,

Widewing

Hmmm. Everything I've seen said it was just the left gear door. Do you remember where you saw the info on the right?

It clearly had Kidd on the left before it got the Malcom hood. This photo shows it during that time. The pre-Malcom hood canopy is still on.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1125087840_kidd4.jpg)
But the photo from the right side when it's apparently getting the Malcom hood does not show anything but the black ID stripe on the right.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1097515425_kidd3.jpg)
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: thebest1 on August 26, 2005, 11:41:01 PM: POOCHY!!!
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 27, 2005, 06:57:37 AM: Question does the plane have the "nose art" on both left and right?? Are kill markings on both left and right?

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 27, 2005, 07:37:34 AM: OK made some progress.

Still a few things to do.

Latest fixes

*Id lines added on wings and elevators.
*"Kidd" added.
*Olive dab adjusted.
*Red nose color moved.
*Kill markings adjusted so that train and ships are included.
*Right side nose art, kill markings removed and QPL corrected.
*Plane lines adjusted to work better with mix of metal and color.

(http://www.riha-games.com/ah/p51b/5.JPG)

Still left to do.

*Weathering
*Remove olive dab from engine exhausts
*Fix missed things.

Bugs found in model.
*Wheels cant be made white. The currently grey wheels are actually 100% bright white in the texture. (see pic)
*Wheel door is wrong shape. Look at the pics in this thread and note how the wheel house covers part of the wheel. Which it doesnt do in the AH model. (see pic)

(http://www.riha-games.com/ah/p51b/6.JPG)

Question for Dan.

The line over "Kidd" is it part of the id line or is it "outside" the id line? I think it is so that the area "clean area" between "Kidd" and the line is actually erased id line. What you think? (see pic)

(http://www.riha-games.com/ah/p51b/7.JPG)

Tex

EDIT: Note: Materials.txt was disabled for these screen shots.
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: SkyChimp on August 27, 2005, 01:11:43 PM: Heya tex sorry but I don't think the metal looks real. Looks like you added noise and blurred it. Maybe fade the black a little.
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: SkyChimp on August 27, 2005, 01:15:10 PM: Also tail stripe too wide
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 27, 2005, 07:31:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyChimp
Heya tex sorry but I don't think the metal looks real. Looks like you added noise and blurred it. Maybe fade the black a little.

Yeah its a noice effect Ive been workin at which actually does look interesting but is hurting from the "blur" added by the JPG compression.

Its still not tuned though.

Tex.
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TDeacon on August 27, 2005, 10:38:55 PM: Tex,

Why does your wheel door look different than mine? Yours is too short, while mine is longer, but with a transparent area at the bottom rear (see http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158635. Almost as it the whole bottom half of your door is transparent.

Also, I am able to achieve white on my tires (which in turn shows through the rear of my wheel door...). Could you have forgotten to adjust transparency?
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on August 28, 2005, 05:47:18 AM: HA!!

Just realized something.... shock absorbers are compressed when landed... takeoff and the shock absorbers are decompressed and hence the wheel moves... you can even see this when you take droptanks and drop them on the runway...

Amazing how much detail there is in the new models.

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Fencer51 on January 16, 2006, 10:36:47 AM: What happened to his skin? Did it ever get finished and submitted?
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Krusty on January 16, 2006, 11:52:13 AM: I've got a decal scan with some basic info for an RAF scheme with a shark's mouth under the chin. I don't think I'll ever get around to making it, if anybody's interested e-mail/pm me.
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Fencer51 on January 16, 2006, 01:05:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
I've got a decal scan with some basic info for an RAF scheme with a shark's mouth under the chin. I don't think I'll ever get around to making it, if anybody's interested e-mail/pm me.

Ah we already got a RAF Mustang.

Anyway back to the topic. What happened to Kid Hofner's P-51B Salem Representative?
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on May 28, 2006, 07:29:59 AM: Finally done and submitted...

Not happy with it but well well... making a mixed metal and paint skin is virtually impossible as the material applies to everything...

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Fencer51 on May 28, 2006, 12:42:45 PM: Post a pic Tex? It looked good when we last saw it!
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on May 28, 2006, 01:54:55 PM: Will see if I can get my hosting to work... changed my home network...

In the meantime Im workin on finishing another 90% done project... a extreamly worn Ki84 of the 1st Rensei Hikotai...

Tex
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Fencer51 on May 28, 2006, 09:21:08 PM: Tex HTC has the ability to host pictures for you up to 800x600 I think. There is an option to attach file at the bottom of the reply page.
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: Wolf14 on May 28, 2006, 10:55:36 PM: Black Pontiac
Title: P-51B Skin
Post by: TexMurphy on May 29, 2006, 03:40:42 AM: Im gonna start workin on it this week...

Think you can post the pictures of it again in this thread..

Tex