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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Cooley on August 19, 2005, 03:14:33 AM
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Jug D40 vs. F4UD-1
I like both these rides,,,but trying to limit myself to fewer AC that I have in the stable
Im more intrested in opinions regarding Jabo and Overall performance, then ACM, but any info welcome
IMO...
DHog- real steady gun and bomb drop platform, Carrier Op's
and the fact that its Blue are positives for me
Jug40- Better Views, More Ord (though Hog has plenty),
new cockpit
Both dive and roll very nice,
Hog seems better in a scissors fight
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Depends on your style really. I do well in the Hog (usually) but cant do squat i the Jug. Jug hauls a little more ord, but I'd give the edge to the Hog if things get slow. It has an edge in recovering from a stall that the Jug cant match. Those big wings and flaps give it a level of control when things get hairy that a Jug would be hard pressed to match. Plus the fact that its available as a carrier based plane or land based, so you increase your opportunities to get close to the action if you go with the Hog.
One other advantage, if you ever get a desire to really step up in performance for a few rides, the Hog gives you the option of spending some perks on the -4. That is one sweet ride. And of course, if you can fly the -1D well, you can always spend a few points and take the -1C out. Those quad 20mm will tear up anything you can get in your sights real quick. Just more variety to keep you happy if you go for the Hog. :)
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None :rofl
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F4U-1D
Once the ord is gone ... its a much better fighter ... slower than the Jug, but it kicks arse.
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F4U. It is better for fighting, imo.
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Originally posted by Urchin
F4U. It is better for fighting, imo.
Yup.
- oldman
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Originally posted by SlapShot
F4U-1D
Once the ord is gone ... its a much better fighter ... slower than the Jug, but it kicks arse.
Ditto.
I like them both, but the better A2A performance of the F4U after it gets light outweighs the larger ord payload of the P-47. My favorite's of the F4U and P-47's are the -1 and the D-11 though, so you can see from that I dont focus much on Jabo.
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f4u, with flaps down it is very very hard to shake. plus it has air bra.... never mind :D
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Originally posted by Furball
plus it has air bra.... never mind :D
SSHHHHHHH!!!!
Thats my favorite thing about the F4U's. :)
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air bra's?
you need em, fat boy :D
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LOL....Manboobs
It would be a training air bra
<----5'8" 135lbs :)
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heck.. didnt realise you were that small.
you could probably use superdud's bra as a swimming pool.
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Hog
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Originally posted by Furball
heck.. didnt realise you were that small.
you could probably use superdud's bra as a swimming pool.
The truth hurts:(
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I'm actually for the jug, I just can't seem to do much in the hog, but that probably just goes back to not knowing how to fly it because I just never do.
I guess to summarize: sometimes I go hoggin', but even then I prefer the jugs over everything else
:D
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Hellcat :D
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I'm usually torn between the F6F and the F4U off of a CV, I cant make up my mind since I love them both.
I'll still take the P-47D-25 off of a land base for Jabo because its got more vulch ammo when I'm "cappin" after I pwn the toolsheds. :)
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The jug, because it looks better.
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If you do well in a P47, you will do very well in a F4U.
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Depends on the mission, etc...
I really like the Jug, but if I was told I had to choose one and only one, I would probably go with the F4U-1D
...very tough choice, though.
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Jug pilots land back at base in time for Happy Hour. Hog pilots return to the CV and...well, at least they have each other. :D
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Originally posted by Wadke
Hellcat :D
Love my Kitty!
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Originally posted by Enduro
Jug pilots land back at base in time for Happy Hour. Hog pilots return to the CV and...well, at least they have each other. :D
:lol
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Originally posted by Furball
f4u, with flaps down it is very very hard to shake. plus it has air bra.... never mind :D
Please disregard the above mentioned cheat code:( :confused: :lol :aok :eek:
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Originally posted by Enduro
Jug pilots land back at base in time for Happy Hour. Hog pilots return to the CV and...well, at least they have each other. :D
Unless the jug pilot ran into a hog pilot.
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I love that Big Blue Bent Wing Bastid! So definately the Hog. :aok
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I'd love F4U's more if I wasn't such a clutz at field landings.
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Jabo practicality p47D40..more ords, ammo, guns and more fuel. It also turn fights good with flaps.
As most have said the F4u is the better fighter though.
Six of one and half of a dozen other but for me it's the p47.
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Course Hair.
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P38 cause you pretty much got 2 of everything and better than both those planes.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Course Hair.
i have to agrewiht mr filht on this one. for some reason the jug appealsrs to me afateer 9 drrinks more than the jug40.
Yoo have to r ealize trhe gravity of the situation, then you shalll become enlightnened as i have becvome... taht is all. hogroolz.
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Originally posted by ThunderEGG
I'd love F4U's more if I wasn't such a clutz at field landings.
Landing em's easy. Get as slow as possible, drop full flaps, drop yer gear. When you touch down, hit the brakes and when she starts to swerve, full rudder the opposite way. Plane skids sideways, you lose one wheel, she stops on a wingtip and you exit. Beautiful 2 point landing. :)
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I used to have the same problem. Now I come in slow and a couple notches flaps. When I touch down I press forward on the stick to keep my tail up and off the ground. Braking as I do this, keeping my tail up as long as I can. At the last second I slam the tail down and pull back. Seems to prevent the loops.
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Come in slow with full flaps at 100kts and no gear, touch down lightly and exit when you come to a grinding stop. :)
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kill the engine before you land, keep the tail up until you'e slow enogh that it won't lift when you pull back. Pulling back when you are on 3 points locks the tail wheel and keeps you from "looping" yet yu can still steer slightly with the rudder.
F6F-5 still the better bird all around..:p
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i love to sit in the tower and watch the Ensign Eliminators try to land...good times.
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Always do a main gear landing in the corsair,never a three point landing as in real life the corsair has a habit of ground looping in a three pointer.:aok
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Tell ya what boys...the so-called superiority of the hog over the Jug is only evident at low altitudes. Take the Jug to 30,000 feet, where it was designed to be, and it will eat the hog alive.
According to Cokey Roberts, the Jug's low-speed stall characteristics were even better than the Hellcat's. Both of those aircraft had stall characteristics far superior to those of the Corsair. The main problem with the Jug was that when it DID stall it tended to lose a great deal of altitude before recovery, while the Hellcat did not.
The stall-tripper wedge on the hog corrected some of it's vicious stall characteristics, but also apparently hurt it's turning capability. Dean's tome "America's Hundred Thousand" rates the hog dead last of all U.S. fighters in turning capability.
Hypothetical question for those who might know...because I don't: does the dropping of flaps ALWAYS help a fighter's turning ability...or does it just lower the stalling speed? I've always assumed that it was the former...but would that be true for all aircraft?
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Grits
LOL....Manboobs
It would be a training air bra
<----5'8" 135lbs :)
Oh, man! This reminds me of the after-credits video in the movie Dodgeball, done to the lyrics "My milkshake brings the boys to the yard." Hilarious. Distrubing, but hilarious.
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51d 38g:D
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Dean's tome "America's Hundred Thousand" rates the hog dead last of all U.S. fighters in turning capability.
I didn't know about this excellent book. Thanks for mentioning it! I ordered a copy today to add to my collection.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Tell ya what boys...the so-called superiority of the hog over the Jug is only evident at low altitudes. Take the Jug to 30,000 feet, where it was designed to be, and it will eat the hog alive.
According to Cokey Roberts, the Jug's low-speed stall characteristics were even better than the Hellcat's. Both of those aircraft had stall characteristics far superior to those of the Corsair. The main problem with the Jug was that when it DID stall it tended to lose a great deal of altitude before recovery, while the Hellcat did not.
The stall-tripper wedge on the hog corrected some of it's vicious stall characteristics, but also apparently hurt it's turning capability. Dean's tome "America's Hundred Thousand" rates the hog dead last of all U.S. fighters in turning capability.
Hypothetical question for those who might know...because I don't: does the dropping of flaps ALWAYS help a fighter's turning ability...or does it just lower the stalling speed? I've always assumed that it was the former...but would that be true for all aircraft?
Regards, Shuckins
At high alt the jug will dominatew just about anything in the game...not just the hog.
But at "intermediate" {18k or less} alt and below I think the Hog has the edge. It has better rudder authority and a bit of an edge in turn rate...the jug is a touch better in roll I think. The big edge is the ability to bleed E faster combined with slightly better acceleration.
None of it is enough to offset a difference in pilot ability...a good jug pilot will beat an average hog driver (and visaversa)...but if you get two evenly matched sticks I think the hog has a bit of an edge...
IN AH the hog out turns the JUG (not D11) IMO...but both turn better then most folks think.
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After having a devil of a time shaking an F4U off my arse earlier this evening (I never succeeded to shake him), I've decided to become more familiar with the Hog. And, damn...runway landings are a *****.
I break my left wing 90% of the time. The other 10%, I get lucky with a main gear landing and a perfectly timed lock of the tail wheel--just before the back end wants to come around. :rolleyes:
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Try cutting the engine off as you touch down.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Try cutting the engine off as you touch down.
Bronk
Great idea. Thanks, Bronk. :)