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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: MOIL on August 19, 2005, 05:36:33 AM
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Wishing #1
(http://www.panzer.punkt.pl/artykuly/wirbelwind/Wirbelwind_big.jpg)
Wishing #2
(http://www.qualityscales.nl/pics/groot/German%2088%20mm%20Flak%2036%20MIN350011081%2092.50_thumb.jpg)
Wishing #3
(http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/sdkfz251ccw_10.gif)
Wishing #4
(http://www.kampania.digimer.pl/uzbrojenie/polskie/art/a_plot_40mm_wz36/armata_plot_40mm_wz36_bofor.gif)
Wishing #5
(http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/vehicles/jeep-1952-us-army-1.jpg)
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You have it out for the sad dialup weenies. :D
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They better be perked! :D
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#1: No. Get this instead- M19 40mm GMC
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/self_propelled_guns/m19_02.jpg)
#2 Yes
#3 Yes
#4 No, its not towed, but thats what manned field ack is.
#5 Sure, why not?
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Sure on #1, and#3. I'm not opposed to towed artillery, I just wonder how it would be implemented in the game.
Heck yeah on #5, under 1 condition: We be able to jump things with it. Lots of things.
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I'm not sure how it would be implemented into the game, couldn't be that hard. I would make it a "paired" vehicle, meaning lets say you choose the Sdkfz7 HT/Flak36 setup. It spwans out as "one" piece of equipment. You drive the Sdkfz with the 88 being towed behind it, you CAN NOT fire the weapon while it's being towed.
You then stop the veh and switch to the #2 position which deploys the gun platform to be fired. You could make this a 2 person operation if you wanted, kinda like having a gunner in your bomber.
The same would hold true for choosing #4, Sdkfz HT/Flak28
Grits:
I like your choice also of the M19
(http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m19a1.jpg)
I'm not sure I understand your response to #4, you state: "NO" it's not towed {which it is, just like #2} that's what manned ack is for.
The problem with manned ack is, there's not enough of them, poor placement, can not be moved and don't pack enough punch.
The Bofors 40mm AA gun can be towed to the air field, city or place of importance to provide additional protection against enemy aircraft.
Thanks for the input guys
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Moil, I meant to say "it IS towed" didnt think we needed a towed peice of the manned ack. I was also thinking of the 88 as a permanent manned position like CV 5" guns.
But I'd use them all if we got them no matter what I said above. :)
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Let's get 'em all -- but start with a new mobile AA platform, either Wirbelwind or M19.
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T34-85mm, Panther probably small perks on them.
Stailin 2 tank, again small perk because slow rate of fire.
The Sherman/Firefly,Cromwell,Comet, Type 92,94,97s P26/40
Plus more Russian planes like IL-4, Pe-8, Pe-2, Yak-1, Il-10, Tu-2,
Yak-4, Mig-3. P39, P63, Yak-3
Japanese planes like G4M, KI-21,KI-45, KI-49, J2M, D4Y, B6N, KI-44, KI102, P1Y, B7A,Ki-56, Ki 57,
Italian planes like S.M.79, Cant Z,1007, S.M.82,Cansa FC.20, S.M.84, P.108, Re.2002, Fiat G 55, Re 2005,G12, S.M.82, S.M.75
I think it would be great if each country had its on bombers, fighters, and transports and their on gvs
Plus america needs the P39, B25, A26
Uk needs Seafire Mk III, Spitfire MK XII, Handley Page Halifax, Bristol Beaufighter,Westland Whirlwind MK I, Gloster Meteor
Germans could use the JU.86, He.111,DO 17/217, He177, Ju 290,
Hs.129
Plus all that Moil mentioned.
Sorry was always told to wish for all you want in case it comes true.
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(http://[img]http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/767_1124570235_big.jpg)[/IMG]
50mph and a flak88 oh yea
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Oooh I like redrum:D
The idea of a "towed" vehicle or gun is just a nice idea IMO because we don't have anything like that.
All very good choices from what I've seen.
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Originally posted by Grits
Moil, I meant to say "it IS towed" didnt think we needed a towed peice of the manned ack. I was also thinking of the 88 as a permanent manned position like CV 5" guns.
But I'd use them all if we got them no matter what I said above. :)
I hear ya Grits, the only prob I have with that is, if you make these weapons {which were totally moble back in WW2} permanent manned positions, guess what will be the first thing people dive in on when coming to the fields or cities.
Heck, theres maps from HTC and players that show exactly where the gun positions are on a field, same place, every field.
I think it'd be more realistic and challenging to attack a field and not know if it's heavily defended or not. Maybe there's a Flak battery, maybe there isn't:)
Just my thoughts tho
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I'd like to see more base defense type stuff but if we got any of that kinda stuff I'd like to see fuel being able to be dropped back down to 25%.
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This is the Jeep we need...
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jeep_man/sasjeep.htm
The jeeps were heavily armed with combinations of both Browning and Vickers K machine guns. The ex-aircraft Vickers weapons were generally mounted in pairs and a total of up to five machine guns were carried on some vehicles. The effectiveness of this armament firing a mix of ball, armour-piercing and tracer shells can be judged from one assault on an airfield where 12 aircraft were destroyed in a five minute raid. With all guns blazing a single SAS jeep could deliver an impressive 5000 rounds per minute! The net result was that over 400 aircraft had been destroyed on the ground by November 1942. Stirling was finally captured in 1943 but escaped four times before being sent to Colditz where he spent the rest of the war.
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The jeep with the 75mm or 57mm recoiless rifle would be fun too.
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Originally posted by Suave
The jeep with the 75mm or 57mm recoiless rifle would be fun too.
I'd like to see the M-3 with the 75mm AT gun fixed forward
like they used in North Africa. Since we already have the
vehicle, it should not be an insurmountable task to plop the
gun on top of it ;)
In fact the Germans used several variants of weapons on
their halftrack designs..would be fun to see one or two. Since
the GV combat we have in the MA is much more akin to tank
destroyer warfare, it actually makes
more sense.
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Found a picture of what I was looking for, the M3 Motor Gun
Carriage. It apparently was ok against tanks, but more effective
as mobile artillery. (http://www.robertsarmory.com/m3gun.jpg)
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Originally posted by MOIL
(http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m19a1.jpg)
Now this would make a nice non perked american addition.
but I think it would have to be non perked as because of its open top. It would be susceptible to aircraft fire. Much like the Flakpanzers are
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Man that is some good stuff.:aok
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I would love to see the whirblewind in the game. I think it should NOT be perked. Why? It has an open turret. It would be fairly easy for cannon armed planes to disable the guns. Even a small bomb would be able to completely destroy the whole vehicle because of the open turret.
On the other hand if this weapon system is implemented into the game and HTC does decide to perk it, I have 3K GV perks to blow.
I wouldn't personally perk it as heavily as the Tiger if it even rates as a perked GV. Just my two nickles.
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Originally posted by SEgunner
I would love to see the whirblewind in the game. I think it should NOT be perked. Why? It has an open turret. It would be fairly easy for cannon armed planes to disable the guns. Even a small bomb would be able to completely destroy the whole vehicle because of the open turret.
On the other hand if this weapon system is implemented into the game and HTC does decide to perk it, I have 3K GV perks to blow.
I wouldn't personally perk it as heavily as the Tiger if it even rates as a perked GV. Just my two nickles.
I've been saving vehicle perks for 3 years for the day they add the Whirblebird. Just think, M16 on steroids.... The day they add it will be a dark day of mourning for career vulchers.
Zazen
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40mm bofors would be as vunerable as manned ack to enemy fire, i dont think it would be very useful
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Thanks guys for all the great input and suggestions.
Comment on Furball's statement, I would agree that Yes the Bofors gun {like all types of AA positions} would be vunerable to A/C fire and bombs.
However, the Bofors 40mm AA gun has some serious reach and was one of the most effective AA guns of WW2, the weapon is still in use to this day!
I don't want AH to become some sort of Uber ground gun slug fest, but as we continue to add more and more planes and more and more features, it only makes sense to even out the playing field somewhat.
As it is right now there is virtually no way to stop or even slow up attacking A/C at a field or city.
I know, I know........you're thinking "hey get out of that gun and up a fighter"
While this is a nifty concept you can not effectively engage an incoming attacker unless he's flying at 3000' at 200mph.
If I come to an enemy airfield at 8-10,000ft and dive in to attempt to kill a target, there is almost no way to stop me. The planes that are already "UP" for defense are easily by-passed and cant catch me 99% of the time. Keep in mind this coming from one of the biggest noobs in a plane, ME.
I don't want to take away from the excellent air aspect of AH, I believe there will always be pleanty of furballs and dogfights. I think there is lots of fun to be had in both ground and air activity.
As we get more and more new players to join AH, I think it only makes sense to allow for more & more roles to play. Being somewhat of a big GV'r myself I talk with a lot of players new and seasoned, there is a bigger demand for ground roles then one might think.
Again, great input guys
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dont we already have the bofors in game? mounted on the back of a PT boat?
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Originally posted by Furball
dont we already have the bofors in game? mounted on the back of a PT boat?
I'm not sure that's a Bofors 40mm gun or not, looks similar, but not sure. HT would have to answer that.
I would need to ask what purpose the PT boat {with the Bofors, if that's what it is} would serve at a field or city?
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no, just thinking if it is on the PT boat, i doubt it would be very hard to move it across to a land unit as it is already modelled.
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Originally posted by Furball
no, just thinking if it is on the PT boat, i doubt it would be very hard to move it across to a land unit as it is already modelled.
Ah copy, I misunderstood:o
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For the jeep I would like to be able to take 1 or 2 troops in the thing I know there has to be room for at least 1.
I think that could be usefull if say the last couple troops got killed running to the map room. The thing has to be more agile than an M3.
Or imagine a mass of jeeps trying to run to town to take it... lol would make the fighter guys go nuts trying to kill em all kinda like roches....:lol
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Guys....it's not christmas :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by frank3
Guys....it's not christmas :rolleyes:
I believe the thread is called WISHLIST, not sure what part of WISHLIST you don't understand
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Don't mind him moil, you know how those h2h cheapskates are.
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You mean I wasted a post on a H2H player?
Oh man:mad:
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Yes, the rear gun on the PT boat is a 40mm Bofors, as is the quad mount on the CV, which is 4x40mm Bofors.
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I knew the CV's were, but wasn't sure bout the PT boat.
Thanks Grits:)
Still think there's a need for a towable Bofors platform like in ww2 online.
my 2 cents