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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weasel4 on August 19, 2005, 08:09:02 AM
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Why am I paying $2.70 a Gallon for gas....?:confused:
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Because our oil refineries are over loaded and can't produce enough oil. In turn we are buying more oil. We aren't building anymore refineries because no one wants an oil refinery in their back yard.
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1 point for opinion
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Originally posted by whistlin
Because our Oil Refineries are over loaded and can't produce enough oil. So we are buying more. We aren't building anymore refineries because no oil wants an Oil Refinery in their back yard.
hmm.. something odd here :D
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China
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lol, excuse my typing, I was in a hurry.
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Well.. lets just say you have it good..
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You have to pay for a war for oil somehow.
-SW
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Originally posted by weasel4
Why am I paying $2.70 a Gallon for gas....?:confused:
Wow, did you just wake up in your father's 1970 Plymouth Satellite realizing the OPEC Gasoline Crisis has stepped into the 21st Century?!!!! Hurry, buy one of them there Motorcycles! They ARE the answer! :aok
Karaya
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
You have to pay for a war for oil somehow.
-SW
Okay, I'll nibble, (tosses bait)
If thats the case, then how come my gas isn't cheaper if we have access to more oil?:rofl Oh, I get it, the war cost itself checks the price of cheaper oil coming in....right. Got it.
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What is it in Norway right now? $6.50 a gallon?
I'm driving a 2003 Suburban, and I just spent $75 on a tank of gas. I have some real perspective on this: I've decided that the benefits of the vehicle (considering lifestyle, business use, carrying passengers, etc) outweigh the (significant) costs. In addition to that, I could be spending ever so much more if I were in another country.
End result: I'm light on the gas pedal, plan my driving appropriately, and save my pennies.
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You didn't nibble, you bit hard.
-SW
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taxes, and scaredy cats on wall street now becoming rich, and oil companies enjoy making record profits.
as well as the lack of refining capacity...as far as oil goes, in north and south america we have about 400 billion barrels worth of oil that can be recovered now, at far less than current prices so we dont have to let the middle east situation factor in...
'no one wants an oil refinery in their back yard."
good thing with a continent this size, there are places where your in nobodys back yard...and places where the locals are willing to put up with it for the money it will generate
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I'll bite. IF oil refinery capacity is to low, that could cause the cost of gas to go up.
BUT Oil production is at all time highs. Since when does the price of a raw material go up when the finished product is the bottle neck?
seems a bit like the cart before the horse.
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I was living in Maine about 20 years ago, a guy up the road bought an old gas tanker trailer, had it dismounted and buried on his property. He then had it filled up at wholesale prices, put a cheap obsolete generator powered pump above it disguised as an outhouse and kept his mouth shut.
For what it's worth..
;)
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Yay! A gas price whine thread to start the weekend! $2.70/gallon! The end is nigh! (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/violin.gif)
I wonder how Lazs would react if he passed a Conoco filling station with a price of 50 cents/gallon. ;)
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Originally posted by weasel4
Why am I paying $2.70 a Gallon for gas....?:confused:
Cuz ya don't like walking?
shamus
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Originally posted by weasel4
Why am I paying $2.70 a Gallon for gas....?:confused:
OMG POOR YOU!
my heart bleeds for you. :rolleyes:
i filled up at £0.94 a LITRE earlier. and plenty of countries got it a lot worse than here too.
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Originally posted by Furball
i filled up at £0.94 a LITRE earlier. and plenty of countries got it a lot worse than here too.
(UK£ 0.94) per liter = 6.41 U.S. dollars per US gallon
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Originally posted by Furball
i filled up at £0.94 a LITRE earlier
Diesel?
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unleaded optimax
some diesel prices in central london are over £1 a litre apparently
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But arent we still selling quite a bit of our domestic oil overseas?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
What is it in Norway right now? $6.50 a gallon?
I'm driving a 2003 Suburban, and I just spent $75 on a tank of gas. I have some real perspective on this: I've decided that the benefits of the vehicle (considering lifestyle, business use, carrying passengers, etc) outweigh the (significant) costs. In addition to that, I could be spending ever so much more if I were in another country.
End result: I'm light on the gas pedal, plan my driving appropriately, and save my pennies.
Hmm.. aprox 1,6 dollar for a liter. You do the conversion to gallon. It varies abit from day to day and so does the currency values.. It may therefore vary alot from one day to another depending on those 2 variables.
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Apparently we can make a lot more if we sell it in England. :D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Hmm.. aprox 1,6 dollar for a liter. You do the conversion to gallon. It varies abit from day to day and so does the currency values.. It may therefore vary alot from one day to another depending on those 2 variables.
Based on todays rates, that's $6.06 per gallon.
You're paying about 10.45 kroner per liter?
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Originally posted by weasel4
Why am I paying $2.70 a Gallon for gas....?:confused:
Maybe because since the 1970's the oil company have been shutting down oil refineries to drive the price of oil up. Just something i read in the local paper a few weeks back. Don't know how true it is or not.
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Originally posted by Furball
OMG POOR YOU!
my heart bleeds for you. :rolleyes:
i filled up at £0.94 a LITRE earlier. and plenty of countries got it a lot worse than here too.
It's still an economic shock to some regardless what you pay over there. I'm sure that in less than a year your price jumped that high..Ours jumped a dollar/gal in a year..it's unnatural..and the supply/demand BS is just that BS. No one will convince me that in 2 years the demand has jumped that much and production capacity is too low to meet the demand.
Someone decided that their profits weren't big enough so they are raising prices. Can't blame em since this is capitalism, but you can be pissed about it.
I just got my old 1977 CB400F out of storage and got it running so I can save money. It's sad when it takes 9 dollars to fill up a 400cc motorcycle though.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Based on todays rates, that's $6.06 per gallon.
You're paying about 10.45 kroner per liter?
abit more... 11,30
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Sure, because the tank isn't 400ccs, it's closer to 4 gallons.
BTW, 1975 CB-750K owner, plus had a 1982 CB900F. Two great hondas. When the 750 worked, I used to take it onto unpaved logging roads and just spend hours cruising through the woods. The low center of gravity and good mid range torque made it perfect for those roads, without the discomfort of a two stroke chainsaw-attached-to-rearwheel dirt bike.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Sure, because the tank isn't 400ccs, it's closer to 4 gallons.
BTW, 1975 CB-750K owner, plus had a 1982 CB900F. Two great hondas. When the 750 worked, I used to take it onto unpaved logging roads and just spend hours cruising through the woods. The low center of gravity and good mid range torque made it perfect for those roads, without the discomfort of a two stroke chainsaw-attached-to-rearwheel dirt bike.
LOL!! Had the same bike.. was embarassing to ride in some situations, but it was a real good all around machine... even ran it on the San Jose dirt mile oval track!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
abit more... 11,30
Ok then, $6.40 a gallon. Pretty close to my earlier guess.
Long story short, I don't begrudge my $2.50+ per gallon. I consider myself fortunate to live where it is so cheap, comparitively, yet look forward to any drops that may come.
Complaining about gas prices is a lot like tilting at windmills. You don't really get anything done. If you really want to give the petrol industry the finger, find an alternative. You probably won't save any money, but there's something to be said for the satisfaction of actually doing something.
Got a diesel? Convert it to run on vegetable oil and hope some other hippy hasn't already wrangled an exclusive deal to take all the waste grease from the various fast food places around town.
Got a bicycle? Ride it to work once in a while. You'll arrive sweaty, and the growth of unaccustomed muscle next to your fat may cause consternation, but it'll save cash.
Got an electric car? No you don't.
Got a Hybrid? You'll be able to flip the gas station off with maybe your ring finger, but high efficiency gas use is still gas use, so the full middle finger isn't quite eligible.
Got a siphon? Errm....
Got a mass transit system? See 'Got a hybrid?'
Best regards and good luck,
cb
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Sure, because the tank isn't 400ccs, it's closer to 4 gallons.
BTW, 1975 CB-750K owner, plus had a 1982 CB900F. .
Turning mine into a "cafe racer" styled bike.
I think my tank is like 3.4 gallons...I'm waiting for a set of carb rebuild kits..Right now I'm a 3 cyclinder that leaks gas like crazy, not to mention the wasted gas that doesn't burrn in the cylinder that won't fire (think I've lost compression in that cyclinder either to the valves not closing all the way or bad rings). Right now I only get 25 mpg.
Oh and I used to own a 74 Kawasaki S3 400cc Triple...a 3 cylinder chainsaw street bike.
Chairboy, funny you mention hybrids in your other post...These idiots don't realize that you get less car for more money. And with the extra cost are you saving anything in gas? Can't wait to see the articles come out when people's electric motors fail and have to spend 10 grand to replace them.
Hybrids are a SCAM.
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Become a Reformed Amish. Ride a horse and still play AH! :aok
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I live literally a couple miles from the refinery that supplies most of the petrolium for the West (not just the coast) and we have the highest gas prices around here, give or take a few cities.
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My car runs on diesel tho. Those that complain most about our prices are tourists from lower-income countries. Alot of them come in RV's tho with large tanks that they fill up before entering Norway, or they use public/tour transportation.
When comparing to income i belive we have the second lowest gas prices in Europe. (cant remember who has the cheapest atm)
Yours is prolly alot cheaper even considering average income so you are alot better of.
The goverment takes most of the money, but they have to im afraid. Its not possible for them to lower the tax too much.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
You didn't nibble, you bit hard.
-SW
Yes, but it exposed your troll now didn't it?
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Originally posted by Sundiver
Become a Reformed Amish. Ride a horse and still play AH! :aok
What the hell happened to that guy... we had one here for awile..
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That is the way Mr Bush wants it! His oil buddies love him!
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But it's getting there.
(http://www.chartoftheday.com/20030827.gif)
The price of gas in 1080 hit a lot harder on the average Joe's wallet than it does today. The economy was no where near as good as it is now.
CA and HW Premium average has not crossed $3.00
Note: This chart does no take into account the summer of 2005 so you can extrapolate the chart for that time.
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1. The raw cost of crude is at record highs. In spite of minor *****ing we still go out of our way to buy SUVs. Prices do not impact demand at this level, no reason to lower prices. Stop buying SUVs and change commuting habits (take the train) decrease demand and prices will drop. We ceased to be a notable oil producing country years ago, and all the new drilling in Alaska ain't gonna change that.
2. Refining capacity is strained at peak periods (summer). No excess capacity around now. Shut down a refinery for a week or have a pipeleine problem and prices skyrocket short term. Building new refineries is a problem environmentally, BUT - the industry has about as many refineries as it needs and about as much capacity as it wants. Overcapacity is not good for the stockholders and it isn't a regulated industry.
3. Just wait until the diesel sulfur regs hit in a 2006 :) Oh mama!
Charon
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Goes back to 1950. However it does not tshow that the average m.p.g for US auto's in 1955, for example, was 15mpg and it is now 29mpg. Essentiall one would have to pay twice as much for fuel back in 1955 as they would now to travel the same distance.
Wish I could find the equivalent chart for Oil Corp profits as well as one that shows the history of government oil subsidies/tax breaks.
IMO those billions in recent tax breaks/subsidies would have been far better used for developing alternate energy. Especially after the oil corporations massive, record breaking profits over the past couple of years.
IMO oil prices are not going to go down much, if again, for there is more and more demand for that dwindling, finite supply.
(http://oregonstate.edu/Dept/pol_sci/fac/sahr/gasol_files/image002.gif)
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Check this out. Garanteed to save gas! (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=7993916387&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT) Excellent! :aok :rofl :rofl
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Rolex rolled out of bed and stumbled his way toward the life-giving machine - the coffee grinder. Another scorcher was brewing outside as the coffee machine gurgled and he heard the familiar memory test beep from the beak of the machine he sometimes loved, and other times loathed.
Like hundreds of millions of other followers of the Church of the Internet, he performed the daily prayer rituals (please don't let me have a virus or worm...) before being sucked into the wormhole of checking email, checking news and currency rates and other passages from the "Book of Favorites."
The first cup of Starbucks French Roast was just starting to kick in as he stepped outside to stand around and gaze - a habit that curmudgeons develop when they hit 50 years-old - with the second cup in hand.
He thought to himself, "I'm sure glad cars don't run on bottled water. Now that would be expensive..."
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Yeah, great sleuthing there on exposing that troll. Whats next, inventing sunlight?
-SW
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Its 2.66 over here..
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High demand, low production. Does anyone remember the electricity crisis scam ENRON was pulling in Califorinia?
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Californians are buying refined fuel from Finland, because they're lacking the refining capacity :D
If I recall correctly, there hasn't been built any new refineries since the 70's in the states.
Even so, the price of gas in the states is still less than half of what it costs here.
About 1.25 *euros* per litre, which is about $1.5 per liter, and whatever the liters are in gallons..
I heard that in Venezuela they're getting a liter of gas for about 2 cents. :eek:
We're being royally screwed.
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I don't mind the price increases; it's good for the producers.
Only commies and liberals would whine about the fuel price. If you cant afford it buy a frigging bicycle.
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Originally posted by weasel4
Why am I paying $2.70 a Gallon for gas....?:confused:
Yes, you pay way too little ;)
In Finland, average price just now:
1.28 euros/Litre for 95 octane (=$5.88 a US Gallon)
1.31 euros/Litre for 98 octane (=$6.03 a US Gallon)
When I fill the tank of my car (around 50 litres= 13 gallons), I pay ca. 65 euros (= $ 80).
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Interesting article from the Torygraph this week.
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/08/15/do1502.xml
Do your eyes water as you pour ever larger sums into your petrol tank? Do you alternately curse the Chancellor for taxing it, and the oil companies for making such vast profits at your expense?
Calm down, dear, it's only the iron law of supply and demand. Besides, petrol isn't really that expensive. Adjusted for inflation, it's been 90p a litre before - several times, in fact, in 2000, 1986, 1981 and 1974 to be exact. Since then, your income will almost certainly have gone up faster than inflation (since incomes always do, except in times of recession) and the car you drive will have become more frugal, unless, of course, you have traded up to a bigger model.
It may not feel that way as another £50 disappears into your motor, but this is why a rise in the oil price which not so long ago might have caused panic, shortages and recession is making so little impact on our economic wellbeing. Last time the oil price doubled in 18 months, more than 30 years ago, we came within an ace of a return to petrol rationing.
Today, the very idea seems absurd. We may have less to spend in the shops after filling the car, but there is no talk of an oil price shock; since the 1970s, we've learnt to use it more carefully. Economic growth will be pretty modest this year, but we shall still be richer in December than we were in January.
Petrol costs 90p a litre because that is where supply and demand balance. Next week, the balance may be 88p, 92p or even £1, but it will still balance. The point is illustrated by looking at the price of diesel, or derv as Sir Geoffrey Howe used to call it, as he whacked another few shillings on to a gallon when he was chancellor. Diesel is less refined than four-star so, other things being equal, it should be cheaper, even after Gordon Brown scrapped the tax concession it used to enjoy.
Other countries, with more enlightened governments, encourage diesel because a diesel engine is a more efficient way of using the energy locked up in a barrel of oil. So effective has this policy been that diesel is now in short supply worldwide, because refineries cannot be quickly modified to meet the demand.
According to one authoritative survey last week, that shortage is going to get a lot worse over the next decade, unless oil refiners make big investments in extra capacity to meet the rising demand. Yet owners of diesel cars need not worry about being unable to fill their tanks - they may just have to pay a premium to do so.
It's often not appreciated just what a powerful mechanism pricing is; not only does the price send out a signal about the state of the market (in anything) but a rising price chokes off demand while giving the supplier the cash to find more of his product.
A falling price does the opposite. Where this mechanism is absent - the provision of state-funded services is the most obvious example - even the most dedicated bureaucracy cannot provide a decent match to supply and demand.
Government interference is a contributing factor in today's high oil price - not our Government, for a change, but those of countries where the oil is found. Many of them now have agreements with the oil companies which insist on their extracting less oil when the price goes up. This helps the country keep its domestic finances stable, but at a cost of more instability in the market, since it chokes off supply at the higher price, driving it up still further.
With crude at a record $65 a barrel, the oil companies are making profits like never before. They literally have more money than they know what to do with (so we may be sure they will upgrade their refineries to make more diesel just as fast as the environmentalist lobby will let them) and are reduced to giving capital back to the shareholders.
At first sight, this looks like an invitation to the Government to hit them with a windfall tax. In fact, it's supply and demand in action again. The oil price has risen so far and so fast that the world's geologists have never been so popular.
Essentially, they are all employed. Shell, for example, is spending $15 billion a year looking for more black stuff (or for methane, which is almost as valuable) yet it is still returning capital to the company's owners. It argues, sensibly enough, that it's already exploiting every worthwhile project it can find, and that it's not a bank. If it needs capital in a year or five, the market will provide it, provided investors can be confident that the profits won't be confiscated.
As all but the nuttiest Left-wingers have worked out, it makes no sense to steal the shareholders' assets, especially as the bulk of oil company profits are earned overseas. British companies paid out £39 billion in dividends last year, and £5 billion of that came from BP and Shell, so it's not much of an exaggeration to say that one pound in every eight paid to members of UK pension funds came from the industry. We are fortunate that two of the world's top three oil companies are British. It may not save you anything at the pumps, but it's a comfort to know that not all the money you pour down the tank is wasted.
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Wait till 3 quarter earnings come out..anyone want to bet against record profit$ all around for the big oil companies?
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Wait till 3 quarter earnings come out..anyone want to bet against record profit$ all around for the big oil companies?
I'm hoping they will.. totally selfish ofcourse but still.
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You guys with diesel cars will be screwed when the new low sulpur laws kick in next year. Probly a 50% increase to start.
I found myself taking the R75 to the parts store a couple of times to get parts to finish some work on my V8 powered Healey... I will take my 6-13 mpg Big Block el camino to a muscle car show today... maybe even burn off about 50 bucks or so of rubber.
still... my girlfriend is here and that is a lot more expensive than my cars and guns..
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
You guys with diesel cars will be screwed when the new low sulpur laws kick in next year. Probly a 50% increase to start.
We've had low sulphur diesel for years and there wasn't any notable price increase when the regulations kicked in. Low sulphur diesel is still cheaper to produce than gasoline.
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Same here mora.
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You sure that you are talking about what the U.S. considers "low sulphur"? It is very strict. I don't really know what yu guys start out with either. I bet your cars don't meet Kalifornia regulations tho... kyoto or not. Maybe the new ones but not for older cars (73 and newer)
lazs
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We have low sulphur diesel here too. The price has risen - supply/demand. I've seen newspaper articles that cite the expanding economies of China and India as being responsible for the oil price rises as the need for fuel oil in those countries increases.
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Originally posted by lazs2
You sure that you are talking about what the U.S. considers "low sulphur"? It is very strict. I don't really know what yu guys start out with either. I bet your cars don't meet Kalifornia regulations tho... kyoto or not. Maybe the new ones but not for older cars (73 and newer)
lazs
There's only traceable amounts sulphur in our diesels(I don't have the numbers, some 50 ppm or there abouts). The California regs are different than ours, but I can't say if they are more or less strict. However there's no magic technology in CA cars that ours don't have. I'm sure a CA car could be tuned to pass euro regs and vice versa.
You are right about the older cars, the catalytic converters became mandatory in 1990. By that time all the cars had electronic injection, so we were saved from the air pump madness. The old CA cars are really a nightmare.
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Originally posted by Charon
1. The raw cost of crude is at record highs. In spite of minor *****ing we still go out of our way to buy SUVs. Prices do not impact demand at this level, no reason to lower prices. Stop buying SUVs and change commuting habits (take the train) decrease demand and prices will drop. We ceased to be a notable oil producing country years ago, and all the new drilling in Alaska ain't gonna change that.
2. Refining capacity is strained at peak periods (summer). No excess capacity around now. Shut down a refinery for a week or have a pipeleine problem and prices skyrocket short term. Building new refineries is a problem environmentally, BUT - the industry has about as many refineries as it needs and about as much capacity as it wants. Overcapacity is not good for the stockholders and it isn't a regulated industry.
3. Just wait until the diesel sulfur regs hit in a 2006 :) Oh mama!
Charon
I heard a refinery in PA went down a few days, causing most of the recent bump? Havent seen much about it. That being said, can it be assumed that demand in US has increased in last 35 years? There hasn't been a refinery come online since 1971 or so, all the refineries operate at peak this time of year, and it will get worse, as some will have to devote resources to making heating oil quite soon---we dont have enough refining capacity, and its all but impossible to BUILD a refinery in this country--tree-huggers in and out of gov't squash that...we have oil in ground that can increase supply, thus lower price, buit those same people dont want THAT to happen either (ANWAR, and last week, a feweral judge in CA squashed an attempt to expend drilling off coast there.)---We get what we deserve--Left's only response is to quit driving SUV's--IT's my understanding that MOST of the oil consumed in US is to create electricity? If someone could find stats
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Originally posted by lazs2
I will take my 6-13 mpg Big Block el camino to a muscle car show today...
-would love to see some pics, if you took any.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
abit more... 11,30
down to 9,94 kroner for a liter today.. may come down more tomorrow
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took about 50 pics.. they came out great. cobras and el caminos and chevelles and vettes and goats and tri five chevies everywhere... some were even drivers. some were trailer queens...
Seen a guy and his wife with a really nice original cobra... he let some girl sit in it so her friend could take a pic... this is a several hundred grand car..
She thanked him and got out... carefully... then tried to clost the door gently without touching any paint or chrome.. no real results.. he just said... ya gotta slam it a little... she was really rattled and trying to not hurt anything... he said "yer making too big a deal out of it... just grab it and slam it shut" He and his wife used this car... It was no trailer queen. Talked to him about oil coolers and such for 20 minutes..
What do you want to see pics of?
Oh.. felt pretty good... first the guys at the gate directed me and the elky to the participants entrance... I wasn't a participant... and then... I got carded when I tried to get a senior citizen discount..
lazs
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The problem with Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel is distribution. It really disrupts how fuel is moved economically today, since the max sulfur level for the new emission technologies is 15ppm. It leaves the refinery at 7ppm. Jet fuel and heating oil have sulfur in the thousands of ppm range. Off-road diesel above 500 ppm, gasoline at 30 ppm, etc. All use the same pipelines (in batches with a level or "transmix" that is reprocessed), same terminals, same tank compartments (with currently manageable contamination issues) etc. Cross contamination nightmare, or expensive dedicated resources, or the expensive downgrading of product from on-road to off-road. There are liability issues associated with damaging the emissions equipment if it gets above 15 ppm. There are uncertain demand issues (when will the market develop in relation to the supply?). A lot of complication with little wiggle room and no firm process set with 1 year to go, and nobody HAS to carry any specific grade of fuel at retail if it doesn’t make sense for that specific operation.
There hasn't been a refinery come online since 1971 or so, all the refineries operate at peak this time of year, and it will get worse, as some will have to devote resources to making heating oil quite soon---we dont have enough refining capacity, and its all but impossible to BUILD a refinery in this country--tree-huggers in and out of gov't squash that...we have oil in ground that can increase supply, thus lower price, buit those same people dont want THAT to happen either (ANWAR, and last week, a feweral judge in CA squashed an attempt to expend drilling off coast there.)---We get what we deserve--Left's only response is to quit driving SUV's--IT's my understanding that MOST of the oil consumed in US is to create electricity? If someone could find stats
A few questions and a point:
1. How much refining capacity was in place when industry regulation was dropped in 1980. How many refineries? What about 10 years later? Why?
2. What did the tree huggers at the US Geological Survey have to say about “all that oil†in ANWAR? What percentage does that represent of US demand when available? Will it displace foreign oil, or existing domestic wells that operate with more expense? Without price controls what will the impact be to American motorists?
3. In the United States, oil is used mostly for transportation or home heating purposes, although a small percentage is used as a fuel for electricity generating plants (source USEPA). Coal and natural gas are the primary fuels used with power plants.
Charon
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<=== diesel owner laffing at the petrol pukes pain.
In NZ diesel is taxed at a flat rate, we pay seperate road user charges which are a set rate per Km. Petrol tax is levied as a portion of the petrol price. So as petrol prices increase the government reaps the tax benefits and the petrol users get raped.
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<=== laffing with vulcan. :lol
...was up at a place called Chipping Campden on Sunday. The journey back home is all A-roads with not many opportunities for doing more than 60mph. Fuel consumption for that leg of the trip came to 59mpg. (Golf 1.9 TDi-150)
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Whoa thats like 20km/liter, thats not bad. My Isuzu Bighorn gets about 12km/liter (aka Opel Monterey, Honda Horizon or Vauxhall Monterey) or 15km/liter on long trips (3.1 tdi)
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I'm not laffing
My ever increasing fuel bill (petol & diesel) can top $500 a week. And like Vulcan says, much of the $$ goes dirictly to the govt as tax, for them to piss away as they please.
Excel
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"much of the $$ goes dirictly to the govt as tax, for them to ....."
Pass under the table back to the oil corporations in big envelopes marked "subsidy" and "tax break."
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yep... find it hard to believe that you guys paying so much in tax for fuel are laughing about it... never did get the british sense of humor I guess..
Wait till they make you get down to 7 ppm sulphur and diesel costs a buck or so more per gallon than gas. At least you won't stink as bad tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by Excel1
$$ goes dirictly to the govt as tax, for them to piss away as they please.
OK, that part's not a laffing matter. :mad: But things could be worse - your deputy PM could be a buffoon like our own John Prescott. Talk about pissing money away, he wants to make our cities more women friendly. Plans include the installation of hairdriers in ladies' public toilets.
Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1743811,00.htmlBRITAIN’S streets are set to be made more “female friendly” as part of plans by John Prescott’s department to civilise city centres. Ideas being considered include crèches in nightclubs, separate areas for women on trains and buses and hairdryers in public conveniences.
:rolleyes::rolleyes: <-- sometimes one is not enough.
Lazs - I tried to explain to you - if the best you get is 13mpg (=15.3mpg on a limey gallon) whereas my best is about 59mpg, even though you're paying half what I pay for fuel, your fuel cost per mile is more than double what I pay. :lol
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yeah but.... look what you have to drive and where. My BMW r75 gets over 50 mpg and still does low 13's in the quarter mile.. not bad for a 40 year old bike..
lazs
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Like I said, driving back from Chipping Campden, there are precious few opportunities to do more than about 60mph. And... if going on a jaunt across Europe - how many times am I going to want to accelerate to do ¼ mile in ~13 secs.? I base my car choice on the vehicle that best meets my motoring needs/wants - not the one that gives me the best bragging rights.
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Beetle, the R75 is a motorcycle. BMW. You may be familiar with the company, they made a brisk business of powering the fleets of planes that visited your country about 60 years ago.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Beetle, the R75 is a motorcycle. BMW. You may be familiar with the company, they made a brisk business of powering the fleets of planes that visited your country about 60 years ago.
Yes, I know that. And your point, assuming there was one, is.......?
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I like cheese.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I like cheese.
Oh OK then - that makes perfect sense. :aok:cool:
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Originally posted by lazs2
You sure that you are talking about what the U.S. considers "low sulphur"? It is very strict. I don't really know what yu guys start out with either.
I don't know about diesel, but the very reason why for example california has been receiving refined fuel from even as far as Finland, has been that it is one of the countries with refineries capable of producing cleaner fuels.
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Originally posted by Westy
"much of the $$ goes dirictly to the govt as tax, for them to ....."
Pass under the table back to the oil corporations in big envelopes marked "subsidy" and "tax break."
Yep, there is that.
The problem is we are almost totally dependant on foreign oil companies for our dino juice, that gives the oil corps a lot of leverage to get their own way. ( in the past they have threatened to pull out of the country) Throw in a bit of corperate monstering as well, and the govt caves-in every time and just contents it self with creaming off the tax.
Excel
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Originally posted by beet1e
OK, that part's not a laffing matter. :mad: But things could be worse - your deputy PM could be a buffoon like our own John Prescott. Talk about pissing money away, he wants to make our cities more women friendly. Plans include the installation of hairdriers in ladies' public toilets.
Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1743811,00.html
LOL beetle
Sorry, but it's funny. And I agree he is a buffoon, but it sounds like Blair isn't giving him enough to do. Maybe Blair doesn't trust him with the important stuff ?
Your deputy PM maybe a buffoon but ours is the minister of finance and a complete socialist salamander. About a year ago he was asked by a reporter why he would not give tax cuts at a time the govt was running a $7billion surplus. The standard response to that question is that the surplus is needed for future expenditure and we can't afford tax cuts at this time blah blah blah...
But this time when he answered he let slip his true ideology: "they don't know what is good for them, they would only spend it"
My blood boiled when I read that. I was going to hire a hit man and have the bugger bumped off but I couldn't afford it ... I'm over taxed.
The irony is that we have a general election here next month and the socialist are handing out money like it's going out of style -as election bribes- in a desperate attempt to cling to power.
Excel
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beetle... who cares about bragging rights? I care about the rush and the build and the smell and the sound and... well... things you wouldn't understand... it's like guns in a way..
I guess the equivelant is that I can't fathom why you would waste time and money and brain cells on wine. would rather drink grape juice... more flavor.
lazs
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Originally posted by beet1e
Like I said, driving back from Chipping Campden, there are precious few opportunities to do more than about 60mph. And... if going on a jaunt across Europe - how many times am I going to want to accelerate to do ¼ mile in ~13 secs.? I base my car choice on the vehicle that best meets my motoring needs/wants - not the one that gives me the best bragging rights.
Are all Englishmen gelded a birth?
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Gas here dropped to $2.46 a gallon yesterday.
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i live in Western NC here at the gas is 2.70/gal for reg. just across the SC/NC boarder i was getting it for 2.30/gal.
usually the price difference is on20-30 cents - not 40!
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... who cares about bragging rights? I care about the rush and the build and the smell and the sound and... well... things you wouldn't understand... it's like guns in a way..
Dunno, Lazs. The only rush I see is the gas-guzzlers hurrying to fill up before the price goes up. :lol
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Beetle, I think you fail to see that most Americans would rather LIVE 20 years then exist 100.
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3.15 out here. AVGAS is pushing $4.30 now for 100LL
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Originally posted by Xargos
Beetle, I think you fail to see that most Americans would rather LIVE 20 years then exist 100.
I don't get it. Are you saying that most Americans drive cars that get 6-13mpg? Maybe in the 1960s/70s, but not now, surely.
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Maybe not that low but close. Americans have had a love affair with large SUV's for the past decade. Monstrosities such as...
(http://images.securedwebform.com/stock/300/gmc/yukon/1999/5od.jpg)
(http://www.car-data.com/photos.25/p.lincoln.navigator.25.jpg)
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Originally posted by Westy
Maybe not that low but close. Americans have had a love affair with large SUV's for the past decade. Monstrosities such as...
Yes... I guess that was OK when gas was 50 cents a gallon. But... the writing has been on the wall for decades regarding world oil crisis.
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There is no crisis, there is only tree huggers which equals high gas prices. Kill a tree hugger, gas prices go down.
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Tree huggers? What are they? I'm afraid you've really lost me this time!
BTW Xargos - I've just bought the "Ted Bundy" DVD, which was trailered on some other DVD I bought. I'll think of you if there's any "long walk" near the end of the movie... :eek::(
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There is no crisis, there is only tree huggers which equals high gas prices. Kill a tree hugger, gas prices go down.
What are you basing that on? And how about referencing some specific sources.
Charon
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they just bleed us slow, they have the political leverage to do so.