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Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 21, 2005, 01:42:11 PM
Can't we just get rid of the canopy frames or make 'em transparent?

The current canopies look good but it's like having one eye and a post for a neck.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: hitech on August 22, 2005, 09:10:12 AM
Do you know you can move your head and save positionss?
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 22, 2005, 11:56:36 PM
Yes.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: straffo on August 23, 2005, 02:39:41 AM
You mean something à la Xtreme racing with semi transparent canopy frames ?

see : http://www.gamerankings.com/screens3/22256/2.jpg
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Seeker on August 23, 2005, 03:48:43 AM
That's why they made Track IR.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 23, 2005, 01:09:25 PM
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Originally posted by straffo
You mean something à la Xtreme racing with semi transparent canopy frames ?

see : http://www.gamerankings.com/screens3/22256/2.jpg


EXACTLY! :aok
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Siaf__csf on August 23, 2005, 01:46:19 PM
Sandman wait untill 3D headmounted displays come down in price, then you can move your vision around them just like in a real plane.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 23, 2005, 09:57:36 PM
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Sandman wait untill 3D headmounted displays come down in price, then you can move your vision around them just like in a real plane.


We can only wish for the day when an online flight sim supports VR goggles. ;)
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Siaf__csf on August 24, 2005, 01:53:53 AM
If trackir works, shouldnt vr work too? All it does is combine trackir to a software based 3D display on the headset. AH is already 3D so it should be just a combination of two existing technologies - trackir and 3D display glasses.

Right?

I think the only thing setting us back is still the price. Shutter glasses are cheaper but cause headaches.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: SkyWolf on August 24, 2005, 07:12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Sandman
EXACTLY! :aok


Dude... that's lame.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: jpeg on August 24, 2005, 10:00:51 AM
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
Dude... that's lame.


I have to agree, it's way too "arcadey"
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 24, 2005, 10:21:24 AM
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
Dude... that's lame.


So is monocular vision. :p
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Kweassa on August 25, 2005, 02:06:55 PM
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So is monocular vision.


 Then between the two lamey stuff, I choose what we have now.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 25, 2005, 02:38:34 PM
How about a compromise and make it something that can be enabled or not by the user?
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Alpo on August 25, 2005, 03:15:12 PM
Cool... can I get a plane like Wonder Woman flew?  (the one in the comics... not the SILLY jet one) ;)
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Midnight on August 25, 2005, 03:15:14 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
How about a compromise and make it something that can be enabled or not by the user?


AWIII had something like this, and players abused it to make glass-bottom planes. Part of the decision to choose a particular aircraft has to be in what it offers for visablity.

You want the big cannons of the 190-A8, then deal with the lousy view. If you want to see all around, fly the P-51D, but you don't get the big guns.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 25, 2005, 03:34:28 PM
Fighter Ace had something similar. I think the body of the aircraft should obscure the view. Even with binocular vision, a blind lead turn is... well... blind.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Clifra Jones on August 25, 2005, 03:57:28 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
How about a compromise and make it something that can be enabled or not by the user?


Right, one player is going to turn on this "unfair advantage" while some other player does not? Like that's gonna happen.

Now be honest, why did you suggest this? Because you find it difficult to see around the canopy frames?

Learn to use the head movement functions like the rest if us.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 25, 2005, 05:22:14 PM
In other words, you want everyone to be disadvantaged for aesthetic reasons. :rolleyes:


As for enabling difficulty or not, people already do that with icons, stall limiters, combat trim, etc.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: SkyWolf on August 25, 2005, 05:38:49 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
In other words, you want everyone to be disadvantaged for aesthetic reasons. :rolleyes:


As for enabling difficulty or not, people already do that with icons, stall limiters, combat trim, etc.


Man.... You want an open cockpit.... go fly a Stearman. I find the idea of "transparent" or removable cockpit frames to be so ridiculous as to be insullting. That's so gamey and lame I'm amazed anyone serious about AHII would even suggest it.
You've been playing for how long?
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 25, 2005, 06:38:19 PM
Oh... your argument is realism?

:rolleyes:


I started flying AH on tour 8 (or maybe 6)... can't remember.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Waffle on August 25, 2005, 07:32:13 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
Oh... your argument is realism?

:rolleyes:


I started flying AH on tour 8 (or maybe 6)... can't remember.



and you're just now bringing this up?


good bait :)
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 25, 2005, 11:04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
and you're just now bringing this up?


They asked. :)

I'm pretty sure I've said it before anyway.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: straffo on August 25, 2005, 11:45:48 PM
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Right, one player is going to turn on this "unfair advantage" while some other player does not? Like that's gonna happen.

Now be honest, why did you suggest this? Because you find it difficult to see around the canopy frames?

Learn to use the head movement functions like the rest if us.


Why is it a trouble ?
You don't have  any trouble with player having a trackIR 3 ?
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Wilbus on August 26, 2005, 04:00:31 AM
Track IR doesn't offer much of an advantage in AH Straffo. Been there done that tried it for a couple of weeks but decided against it. AH view system is great anyway and there is no need to TIR. I might try it again soon but doubt my ideas of it will change.

Thanks to the friendly/free view system in AH it is more of a personal preference that makes someone chose TIR over normal view system. Just like someone prefers one stick over another.

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In other words, you want everyone to be disadvantaged for aesthetic reasons.       As for enabling difficulty or not, people already do that with icons, stall limiters, combat trim, etc.


Icons are enabled for everybody unless you yourself decide to turn it off. No advantages to be gained there.
Stall limiter limits your maximum angle of attack and thus gives you a disadvantage, not an advantage.

Combat trim does make aiming a bit easier but is bad in some planes. It kind of makes up for using the keys of the keyboard instead of real trim tabs in a real plane. Not sure of all the different trim tabs/rotaries etc used in WW2 fighters but the ones used in most planes today work far faster then the trim in AH. I often find that it takes too long for the trim to go from fully negative to fully possitive in AH. It's a minor issue though.

What would the "etc" be?

What would next step after removing cockpit bars be? Remove cockpit alltogether ala MS Combat sim?
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: SkyWolf on August 26, 2005, 07:07:00 AM
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Originally posted by Sandman
Oh... your argument is realism?

:rolleyes:


No....my argument is that it's wimpy and gamey. Maybe they can add an option to have the pilot wear a tu-tu as well. Or maybe set up an arena for people who don't want any cockpit art at all.


I started flying AH on tour 8 (or maybe 6)... can't remember.


Ok.... well then, I guess I'll just have to assume we feel a "bit" differently about the game and I'll leave it at that.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: SkyWolf on August 26, 2005, 07:09:00 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
Why is it a trouble ?
You don't have  any trouble with player having a trackIR 3 ?


Heh... for me the Trackir is more of a hinderance. Anyway... it just manages views... it doesn't add or subtract portions of them.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Siaf__csf on August 26, 2005, 07:54:56 AM
Yeah I can't see how TrackIR would work real well because you're still limited to one static screen. VR goggles then again would be extremely attractive option which I'd like to see.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: straffo on August 26, 2005, 08:27:49 AM
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Originally posted by Sandman
Oh... your argument is realism?

:rolleyes:


I started flying AH on tour 8 (or maybe 6)... can't remember.


so you're not a vet :)

I started Beta 2 or 3 :D
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Flayed1 on August 26, 2005, 08:40:18 AM
(http://www.zaldiva.com/images/STATUES/WONDERWOMAN/ww_invisibleplane_replica_4.jpg)
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 26, 2005, 10:22:17 AM
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Originally posted by Wilbus

What would next step after removing cockpit bars be? Remove cockpit alltogether ala MS Combat sim?


No next step... just the bars.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 26, 2005, 10:24:39 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
so you're not a vet :)

I started Beta 2 or 3 :D


No... I have yet to master the mythic flipturn of antioch. I am a dweeb. ;)
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Wilbus on August 26, 2005, 12:08:07 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
No next step... just the bars.


Maybe not for you but there would surely be other people who would want it.
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Sandman on August 26, 2005, 12:41:17 PM
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Maybe not for you but there would surely be other people who would want it.


They can voice their own wishes. This one is mine.  ;)
Title: Remove the canopy frames
Post by: Wilbus on August 26, 2005, 01:08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
They can voice their own wishes. This one is mine.  ;)


Fair enough. But I don't agree with your wish. Just have to voice my opinion :)