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Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Killjoy2 on August 23, 2005, 02:11:20 PM

The Radeon 9800 Pro AGP  128 meg

Blows.

Of course this is what I have.  As I look at the results of the optimization tests I am really disappointed with my video card.  Considering the price and the power suppply it takes to fire it up, this is mediocre performance.  Down't matter what system you haveit on.

So what card is best in AH?  The test results are going to be revealing.

I'm making out my shopping list now.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Skuzzy on August 23, 2005, 02:19:04 PM

Uh...

EDIT:  Sorry, forgot the pertinent information.  If you look at the test, this is Nomde's results after he made a couple of changes to his configuration.  before the changes were made, his performance was not good at all.
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Twr Fwd 87 81 120 120
Twr Left 71 69 117 114
Twr Rigt 71 72 111 111
Twr Bac 67 70 106 105
Grnd Fwd 26 27 74 74
Grnd Left 28 27 70 71
Grnd Rigt 20 20 61 62
Grnd Bac 21 22 58 59
P51D Fwd 54 55 71 74
P51D Bac 66 68 98 100

Are you seeing performance?

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: FalconSix on August 23, 2005, 03:48:12 PM

Killjoy2, the 9800pro is a good card. Do you have updated drivers for it? If not check out http://www.omegadrivers.net and get the latest Radeon driver.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Wilbus on August 23, 2005, 04:05:14 PM

I have no good performance either, I actually get worse FPS with the optest then I do with normal AH. Will post results tomorrow in the correct thread.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Skuzzy on August 23, 2005, 04:50:36 PM

You guys that are hainv performance issues with the 9800Pro, try this.

Set the maximum texture size to 512 and run the optest.  Then set the resolution in the game to 1280x1024 and run the optest.  For these runs, disable AA and AF.  See what the results are like.

Thanks

NOTE:  I would also suggest using the Catalyst 4.12 drivers, without the Catalyst Control Center for this particular video card.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Falcon on August 23, 2005, 04:56:34 PM

Shuzzy,

I have a question. Does HT want the FPS box in the video setting checked on "unlimited"? Also does he want all the preloading textures checked too? The readme was kinda confusing.

Falcon

PS I'm getting ready to do OPTest #1..

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Skuzzy on August 23, 2005, 04:57:55 PM

Unlimited FPS, yes.  Just note if what preload options you have set.

The big thing is making sure you have set all the in-game options for the video to defaults.

EDIT:  I am thinking the 9800Pro is not very efficient with the 1024 textures.  I think 512 is optimal, but I am looking forward to seeing some resulting comparisons of this.  It did seem to be Nomde's issue.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Skuzzy on August 23, 2005, 05:21:07 PM

Duke's optest run pretty much shows the problem.

You cannot run with 1024 texture sizes AND AA on as there is simply not enough video RAM to hold everything.  This will tank the 9800Pro's performance.
Set to 512 with AA on, then it will run much better.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: 38ruk on August 23, 2005, 08:12:13 PM

Hey skuzzy , why does it seem my results are so high compared with anyone elses . Ive found that of all the drivers the omega 4.11 drivers give me the best FPS and ive tested all cats from 4.8 to 5.8's. Everything looks good in the game , but is their something that these drivers might not be rendering? My results seem really high . No AA  or AF , rest set to high quality .   Even with  2X AA the results arent much different , if at all. Maybe you might want to check out these drivers see if their is something special about them..... Omega 2590_7.exe's   <> 38


AMD64 3400+ @2.58ghz 1024 MB ram
ATI X800PRO agp 256 mb @500/500
512 Textures 1280X1024

View, AH, None,Obj,Both

TWR Fwd 131 134 188 195
TWR Left 108 115 171 185
TWR Rigt 111 116 162 176
TWR Bac 107 117 160 169
Grnd vis 42 43 109 110
Grnd left 44 43 104 106
Grnd rig 33 34 91 89
Grnd Bck 34 36 90 89
P51d fwd 86 84 108 114
P51d bck 103 101 141 150

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Eagler on August 23, 2005, 10:00:57 PM

they are talking about an ati 128mb 9800 pro and you have a x800pro 256mb card

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Killjoy2 on August 23, 2005, 10:15:01 PM

Not to mention 2x the processor speed I'm using

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: 38ruk on August 24, 2005, 12:02:29 AM

LOL i realize the differences ,I wasnt comparing it to killjoy , but others with roughthly the same set up , i should have started a new thread , just didnt want to add another one on the same subject .....

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Skuzzy on August 24, 2005, 07:08:35 AM

A high number of people are using 1024 textures with AA turned on.  This is going to hurt thier performance a lot.  My guess is they think they have a screaming fast video card, so they should be able to do it.
Point of fact, it has little to do with the speed of the video card.  It has everything to do with the amount of video RAM required to do it.  If your card has 512MB of video RAM, you can get away with 2X AA and use 1024 texture size in the game without performance issues.

I have explained this many times in the Technical Support forums and have provided formulas for calculating what combinations you can safely run without starving your video card's resources.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Siaf__csf on August 24, 2005, 07:41:41 AM

An annoying development in the drivers has been that the option 'no AA' does not exist in the latest drivers at all. 2X is the minimum forced setting outside 'application preference'.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Skuzzy on August 24, 2005, 09:24:46 AM

"Application preference" is as good as 'no AA' for Aces High II, as we do not enable AA.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: AKDogg on August 24, 2005, 11:33:45 AM

"Application preference" is as good as 'no AA' for Aces High II, as we do not enable AA.


Why don't u have the option in the game settings for this? Along with AF.  When we have it turned on in the video control panel, its set that way for all games regardless.  If we had an option to select it in the game it be alot more convienent for us as we don't have to change it everytime for another game.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Killjoy2 on August 24, 2005, 03:32:53 PM

Hey Skuzzy,

I changed drivers to 4.12 and textures to 512 as you suggested.

Big improvement.

Yes when I got the 9800 128 meg card I thought I was getting a screaming video card.  I upgraded from a 64 meg card and thought, "well hey 128 meg ought to do it."  Imagine my suprise.

I still have 2x aa enabled.  I'll try doing without.  But I'm getting pretty good frames now.  This project is real good for the game.

Now can you fix my tanks.  I selected Tiger but got "Paper Tiger" instead.  It took 4 hits to and Osti and I only got an assist.  I took one hit from a panz to the front of the Tiger and I'm dead.  I'm sure its connected to the new drivers.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Eagler on August 24, 2005, 03:51:08 PM

what is the big difference btwn 18, 512, 1024 textures?
I have resorted to 128 textures for my  ati 9800 and it still looks fine.
am I  missing something?

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Clip121 on August 24, 2005, 09:03:09 PM

I don't get it either....  Doesn't matter what res I run or however many textures - I never get over 60 fps.  And yes, I have it set at unlimited fps.  No matter what I do, it seems to stay at around 60 fps, unless I do the shift F4 and then it drops to around 30.   I am confused.....

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: zmeg on August 24, 2005, 10:15:22 PM

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Originally posted by Clip121
I don't get it either....  Doesn't matter what res I run or however many textures - I never get over 60 fps.  And yes, I have it set at unlimited fps.  No matter what I do, it seems to stay at around 60 fps, unless I do the shift F4 and then it drops to around 30.   I am confused.....

 You forgot to turn off v-sync while testing, also your refresh rate is set too low for normal gameplay, you should be able to set it to at least 85 @ 1280 x 1024 res on most monitors.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Mister Fork on August 24, 2005, 11:56:52 PM

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
You guys that are hainv performance issues with the 9800Pro, try this.

Set the maximum texture size to 512 and run the optest.  Then set the resolution in the game to 1280x1024 and run the optest.  For these runs, disable AA and AF.  See what the results are like.

Thanks

NOTE:  I would also suggest using the Catalyst 4.12 drivers, without the Catalyst Control Center for this particular video card.

Skuzzy - I have an ATI 9700Pro using the latest drivers. My FPS went up 115% with the test executable.  Before, 20-30fps, now I'm getting 60-80fps at a busy burning airport.

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Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Siaf__csf on August 25, 2005, 02:00:27 AM

Refresh rate of 60 is normal for a LCD based screen. But if he has a CRT (normal tube monitor) he should immediately raise the refresh rate.

Flickering causes eyewear and general stress on the body. Tiredness, headaches and in some extreme cases migraine.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: Wilbus on August 25, 2005, 02:07:39 AM

Skuzzy, having some weird problems...

I've done the same test several times, but almost every time I get different results. I don't have any background programs running. All settings are as they should be and texture size is 512 now. 1024 works fine aswell though.

The highest FPS I've had stable is about 116 looking from tower. However, most of the times I do the test I get these results.

512 res textures. 1280x1024 resolution.

TWR Fwd 41   50   71   77
TWR Left 34   42   67   74
TWR Right 37   44   68   71
TWR Back 36   44   64   72
Grnd fwd 12   15   46   48
Grnd left 13   15   44   47
Grnd right 10   11   39   40
Grnd Back 10   12   38   39
P51d fwd 30   35   45   49
P51d back 33   41   62   66

Those are the results I've gotten most times now...

Intel P4 2.4 CPU with Hyperthreading, 512mb 1066 RDRAM. ATI Radeon non Pro BIOS flashed to Pro. Clock speed is at normal low 290 @ 270. Omega Drivers, latest version.

Running at 370 @ 290 I get another 30-40 Fps in tower/full vis and about 10 more in ground mode and 3-5 in P51. Only tested overclocked with Both object and terrain set to on.

P51 full vis I get about 3-5 more.

Title: Results of the FPS Test
Post by: NHawk on August 25, 2005, 05:28:53 AM

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Originally posted by Eagler
what is the big difference btwn 18, 512, 1024 textures?
I have resorted to 128 textures for my  ati 9800 and it still looks fine.
am I  missing something?

See this link... http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahgs/techmts.html