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Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: Kev367th on August 27, 2005, 07:40:38 PM
Hope fully no-one is doing either of the two lower ones.

(http://www.eaglestrikeproductions.com/aeromaster/jpg48/ad48670a.jpg)
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: TexMurphy on August 27, 2005, 07:52:16 PM
please do them!!! we do need more RAF mustangs!!!

Tex
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: SkyChimp on August 28, 2005, 01:48:10 AM
O O O can i do the 2nd one some time?:eek:
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: rogerdee on August 28, 2005, 04:26:30 AM
at the momet there is more then 15 p51ds being skinned  so unless it is a master peice  it wont get in.
it doesnt help that people are doing 3 or 4 of  the damn things instead of just 1  and letting others  have  a chance of submitting theres.

i know not everyone can do master peices  butit would be nice to get te change after taking the time to do it,insted of 15 bing alreday submitted
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: TexMurphy on August 28, 2005, 06:45:35 AM
Its such a shame that people rush their skins like mad to get them in.

The rush is seriously hurting the skin quality.

I realized early on that there would be no chance I could get a skin in for the D pony because Im not fast and I dont have much time.

Tex
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: Widewing on August 28, 2005, 09:44:38 AM
Quote
Originally posted by TexMurphy
Its such a shame that people rush their skins like mad to get them in.

The rush is seriously hurting the skin quality.

I realized early on that there would be no chance I could get a skin in for the D pony because Im not fast and I dont have much time.

Tex


Frankly, I think HTC should impose a two skin limit per person. All it takes is one player with time to burn, to saturate HTC with skins.

After a one or two, move on to some other aircraft. Don't be a skin hog.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: Citabria on August 28, 2005, 11:37:02 AM
take your time and make your skin higher quality.

HTC will remove low quality skins and replace them with High quality skins if the skin que is full

thats what I intend to do with the P-38J skin I want to make.

I have to make it ten times better than any in game now because a bunch of spam artists filled up all 15 slots for the 38J already. and frankly a lot of skins in game are not even worth using because they are so rushed and so sloppy.
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: SkyChimp on August 28, 2005, 12:03:00 PM
Ahhh c'mon fester im just learning:p
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: Citabria on August 28, 2005, 12:33:33 PM
so am I :)

it just takes a lot of time to make a thoroughly researched and executed skin and a lot of people are not doing the research or taking their time.

I have found that half the fun of skinning these planes is doing the research for all the rivets and panels and paint schemes. going through mountains of photographs of the real thing. because honestly even the line drawings done by real artists that most people use are full of errors because it is their interpretation of what it actually looked like. not exactly what it actually looked like... and you end up with a copy of a copy...

so for skinning I always work primarily from photographs.
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: SkyChimp on August 28, 2005, 12:35:19 PM
After i get good i'll redo my 5 skins:p
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: Kev367th on August 28, 2005, 02:22:32 PM
Well here's a VERY EARLY preview.
Just like a test to ensure no stretches etc.

(http://www.cyberonic.com/~kreed/pony.jpg)

Pic will appear once cyberonic sorts site out :(

Should have been 4 slots kept for non-US planes, seen at least RAF in metal and camo, plus RAAF in metal and camo schemes.
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: rogerdee on August 28, 2005, 03:19:13 PM
mst  of the p51s look the samme  apart from aa coloured tail or different nose,i know guys like certain squadrons or groups but they all starting to look alike

rogerdee
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: Widewing on August 28, 2005, 06:05:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
so am I :)

it just takes a lot of time to make a thoroughly researched and executed skin and a lot of people are not doing the research or taking their time.

I have found that half the fun of skinning these planes is doing the research for all the rivets and panels and paint schemes. going through mountains of photographs of the real thing. because honestly even the line drawings done by real artists that most people use are full of errors because it is their interpretation of what it actually looked like. not exactly what it actually looked like... and you end up with a copy of a copy...

so for skinning I always work primarily from photographs.


That's the way to do it. I did a P-38J skin of Arthur Heiden's Lucky Lady. Art sent me a copy of every photo he had of his P-38. As Fester states, many line drawings and even some professional profiles are incorrect. One profile of Art's P-38 had several mistakes.

Simply stated, do not use profiles in the absense of photos. Also, avoid using photos of civilian owned aircraft. More often than not, they are inaccurate, wildly so in some cases. The only exceptions I might make would be for aircraft owned and flown by Duxford. They do meticulous research before they paint a scheme. They did a P-38J in Jack Ilfrey's colors and Jack personally signed off on it as being correct in the smallest of details.

Take your time guys, this isn't a race.

BTW, I found a a minor error in the P-51. It seems that the exhaust stacks are slightly out of plane to their correct angle (relative to the airframe). It's very minor, but requires that panel lines that should be parallel to the stacks are off by a smidge, thus requiring you to adjust the panel lines. I have to remind myself that these are actually artwork and not engineering drawings, so these imperfections are to be expected. I guess that I'm too spoiled by sophisticated CAD systems. ;)

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: Kev367th on August 29, 2005, 08:36:47 PM
Found a few more skin errors -

1) Prop skins on fwd side on two blades, rear side on other two.
2) Thin strip of the port fwd outer wing gets its color from somewhere else (still looking).

Anyway put the metal RAF one on the backburner, I much prefer doing camo birds.
So a quick early preview, still lots of little niggly bits.

(http://www.cyberonic.com/~kreed/pony2.jpg)
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: SkyChimp on August 29, 2005, 08:40:10 PM
Do the 2nd one too many metal ones now !
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: SkyChimp on August 29, 2005, 08:47:54 PM
Kev do you have pic of other side of 2nd pro?
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: Kev367th on August 29, 2005, 09:15:43 PM
No pic of other side, but it is std camo layout.

Only diff is the main colors : not std RAF.
Olive Drab, Neutral Gray over Light Gray. (US colors).
Rear band is std RAF Sky.
Yellow is RAF ident (roundel) Yellow.

Main diff is RAF were mostly delivered with louvres instead of the matrix on lower side of nose.

Code would be P-OV from rear to front as in the 3rd profile.
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: SkyChimp on August 29, 2005, 09:16:41 PM
so left and right camo the same?
Title: Raf P-51d
Post by: Kev367th on August 29, 2005, 09:18:45 PM
No, other side would be similar the layout on the 4th profile.