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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on December 12, 2000, 08:15:00 AM
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Would he be in jail?
Would he be dead?
Would the media give him the time of day?
Why the friggin double standard?
Why isn't the democratic party, the party he represents, saying anything to discredit or shut him up for the good of the country?
Racism is racism. Amazing how the media turns a rhyming nutcase like jj into an african american folk hero....
It does give insight on one's intellectual level who would buy into his garbage.
Eagler
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Well, this Democrat agrees with you. I think Jesse does more harm to the party than good.
But then again, I'm a white man, and it's pretty hard to understand the feelings of a minority group when you're not in it.
Racism is bad, no matter which race is guilty of it.
Thanks for the cheap shot all the same, Eagler. Now let me ask you what you're doing about the KKK?
See my point? Each party has members that embarrasses them.
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Point being the KKK are considered bad but Jesse Jackson is considered good.
Most Whites don't support the KKK but it seems like most Blacks support JJ.
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That's because you're a white man, Mighty.
Has it ever crossed your mind that blacks may think that it seems like all whites support the KKK? Stereotyping is a dangerous thing, and it is used liberally on this forum.
Personally, I think Jesse Jackson is a disgrace compared to Martin Luther King.
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Originally posted by banana:
That's because you're a white man, Mighty.
Has it ever crossed your mind that blacks may think that it seems like all whites support the KKK? Stereotyping is a dangerous thing, and it is used liberally on this forum.
Yep used here mainly to make a point. Not on national television to incite race wars. The KKK are a bunch of a-holes too. That coming from a white guy here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) The mentality of those drawn to orgs such as the KKK is less than my son's pet hamster. Can't say the same of those who both publicly and quietly back jj.
Eagler
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I think what Eagler's point if you dissected is this...Jesse Jackson has done more to separate the colors of people rather than to draw them together. He actually creates more racism in his politics than he prevents it.
Edit: Ironically, Jesse served as some sort of aid to MLK jr., you would think the man had learned how to draw diversity together rather than alienate it.
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Maybe I should have said most Black people I know support JJ.
Still the same meaning.
The point being you don't see the KKK on national TV being supported by thousands of people but JJ can get on TV about any time he wants. All he needs to do it go some place where a minority is involved in a dispute and he starts spouting racist remarks and calls others racist.
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Interesting enough, I have two African American co-workers here in our group of 20. Both are educated (B.Science degrees) and both vote Republican, and both despise J.J.
Now, I haven't ask specifically why they despise him, but they 'joke' about Jesse all the time. Alot of jokes about how 'Poor ol' Jesse trying to help out the victimized black man from the hall ways of his 5 million dollar mansion.."
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Yep, Rip, any educated soul, white, black, orange or green can see through the bs jj spews. My question is why are those who are using jj and his rhetoric for their own political gain, not exposed for what/who they are? I don't think jj even believes himself but he knows it works and it enables him to drawn a hefty salary for a "preacher".
Eagler
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Ah, for once we finally agree on something Mighty. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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This is something my wife said she read about JJ, so its hearsay, but she said that all that JJ claims about his relationship with MLKing is not true.
Reportedly, Mrs. Coretta King stated that JJ was not near MLK when he was assasinated, and when MLK went down, JJ ran over to where he lay, and JJ intentionally and repeatedly wiped MLK's blood on his shirt, apparently to aggrandize himself for the cameras. I believe it.
There are many outstanding black men in leadership positions. It's a shame JJ gets so much of the attention.
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Gunthr
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I am black, and I despise JJ.
But maybe its different with me since I am not of the "BLACK" social group, me being a Puerto Rican I never had to experience racism (in my own country) so I may not know what its like to be black in the USA.
But still, I think JJ is a tard.
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Yer not black Animal.
Yer Latino.
*I* am black. And Glunz and RAM I am too.
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Question for all. Not being racist or picky (I'm hispanic so neither white or black) but I am confused.
I know that it is considered racist to belong to a white organization. Is it just as racist to belong to a black only organization and if not, why? Reason I am asking is there are several organizations that are openly divided in membership based on the "race" or ethnic background of the members.
In the case of hispanics there are several organizations, one of which is chicano's por la cauza. To me that seems as divisive as and "whites" only organization.
If there was a "white" pilots association, like the black pilots association I am sure there would be a deafening public outcry of racism.
This seems like a double standard and I find it disturbing. Does anyone else?
Please, please do not think I am trying to raise a racial finger pointing thing here. I am just confused. To me the color of ones skin has about the same meaning as the color of their hair, which is to say, not much at all. It's how people treat each other that matters.
Mav
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Haven't seen a pic of animal, st. santa or glunz...
But I have seen one of RAM.
Have you santa?
AKDejaVu
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Mavrick,
I've thought about that quite extensively. At work, we have various orginizations for individuals of various creeds, sex and sexual orientation. I've wondered how well a "white hetrosexual male" group would be received.
The more I thought about it, the more I understood the various groups. It is more difficult to shun perception if you fit into one of the categories I see listed above. Trying to "fit" into the society that the W.A.S.P has deemed acceptable isn't easy and sometimes requires groups to overcome stereotyping and bigotry.
Alot of it seems to come from wanting to instill acceptance and pride for who you are. Mostly by re-affirming things with like people. I am all for it.
What I am not for is any group that plots the demize of another. That transcends all races and beliefs. People that plot to kill lumberjacks because they are hurting trees... people that plot to kill greenpeace members because they are stopping whaling... people that plot to kill someone because he/she is black, white, American, Basque, Italian, Republican, Democrat, Hispanic, homosexual, hetrosexual, female, male, pro-abortion, anti-abortion... whatever.
Hate is hate no matter how many people in the room agree with you.
AKDejaVu
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And on a side note... does it make you a racist if you bust up laughing at "Blazing Saddles" when the town mayor says:
"We'll take the Chinks, Jews and cupcakes... but we don't want no Irish!"
The racial stereotype blasting in that movie is some of the funniest I've ever seen.
AKDejaVu
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Hehe, Blazing Saddles, IMHO, is an instant classic. They made the racists look like complete tards.
ROFL, so many funny lines, where to start?
Oh, Cobra......
"I would like to extend a luarel, and a hearty handshake, to our new.....Ni@@er."
If ya haven't seen it, RUN, don't walk, to the video store right now!
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I don't think you can legitimately lump JJ and the KKK in the same racist boat. I don't care for Jesse Jackson, and I definately agree that he further divides whites and blacks in this country, but there is one very important fact that seperates him from the KKK. JJ doesn't espouse violence as a solution to racial problems, and he doesn't have 100+ years of murder and violence behind him.
Gordo
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AMEN, 'LANCE'
By the way, this is me in all my black glory
(edited to make me look more black)
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Sorry Animal
You wouldn't pass for black here, Cuban or Mexican maybe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
your Italian American err "whop" friend
Eagler
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Gay maybe but Black ..no. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ouch. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
Gay maybe but Black ..no. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ROFLMAO, that was my "drink spit on monitor" of the day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Well my nick is not banana :P
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sorry couldn't resist. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hmmmm, lets see.
Jesse Jackson is with gore.
Gen. Powell is about to become Secretary of State in the Bush administration.
How to chose. How to chose (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by easymo:
Hmmmm, lets see.
Jesse Jackson is with gore.
Gen. Powell is about to become Secretary of State in the Bush administration.
How to chose. How to chose (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
What a change from old lady albright eh?
The old adage:
You're judge by the company you keep
Eagler
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I have some "racism" questions
1. There are what are called "black churches" thes are like 100% black and so they are called black churches. Q: what if there was something called a white church?...nope we couldent have that, thats racist.
2. There is a channel called BET (black entertainment television) all of the shows and commercials are geared twords black people. Q: what if there was something called white entertainment television, and all its programs were geared to whites and so where its commercials....nope couldent have that, thats racist.
3. A black comedian can get on stage and make fun of white people all day long and get nothing but laughter, If a white make a joke about black people or anything related to them ..uh ho...He's a racist.
4. black guy walking through an area of mainly white people whome he doesent know: nothing likeley to happen
White guy walking though predomiantly black area whome he doesent know: he is likley to get harasses...probably because he's a "racist"
And another thing, I hate it when you look a a job app and at the top it says
"equal opertunity affirmitive action employer"
Equal opertunity: whoever is most qualified gets the job.
Affirmitive action: Depending on what "minority" you are you will be given extra "points" so that you may get the job even though someone with less "points" may be better qualified.
therfore
"equal opertunity affirmitive action" = oxymoron racist roadkill.
I know this will make me a "racist' but black people are the most racist folks there are, and thats pretty much indisputable.
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I know this will make me a "racist' but black people are the most racist folks there are, and thats pretty much indisputable
Poor attitude (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
You cannot justify yourself this way : just look they are worst than me...
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1. I've never heard anyone but a white person call a "Black" Church a "Black Church". Anyone I know is simply going to church.
And.. there are white churches. They are called "Prodestant", "Catholic", "Mormon" and "Kingdom Hall" churches. There are so many "White" Churches in the US that I find it hard to believe you'd actually bring this up at all.
2. BET seems to be an enigma to me. Shows simply make it on because they have black actors. I simply wish there would be more qualification than that.
Of course... there doesn't seem to be much qualification on NBC, CBS and ABC anymore either.
3. Shouldn't really have to explain this to anyone. Comedians are all a matter of taste. If you don't like one.. don't listen. Trust me.. there are commedians that joke about EVERYONE.
4. Erm... this one is pure supposition and ignorance. But then.. you've probably never been arrested simply for being in the wrong neighborhood.
5. You hate it when you see "equal oportunity affirmitive action employer"? Well.. that's there for a reason. You see.. there was a day when people would not hire at all simply because of the race, sex, age of the person. That day was what we like to call "yesterday"... as in.. yesterday. Oh.. it still happens today.
So.. for every example you can provide where a black man, woman or whomever was hired to meet a quota... you can site several where they weren't hired simply because the quota had already been met.
AKDejaVu
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The problem is there should not be a quota in the first place.
I would never say one race is more racist than the other but as far as AA goes I found it to be one of the most offensive piece paper I've seen in a long time.
The government has no right to tell you who you can or cannot hire.
If a company does not want you there why should they HAVE to hire you?
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LOL!
Nobody is being told who they have to hire. The government does no interviewing... the government does not provide a list of names.
I'm not big on affirmative action either. But I'm not about to deny the need for it.
I'm sorry that people are required to hire x ammount of minorities. I'm even more sorry for the minorities that were turned down jobs based on their minority status.
Complete equality is a ways off. Until then... we have laws/rules that help even things out a bit.
AKDejaVu
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These type of laws exist to ensure an opportunity for people that until very recently were denied almost all opportunity based solely on their race. Remember, it was less than 50 years ago that black's were by law second class citizens. Long after that they were (and in some instances still are) second class individuals by societal practice.
So I don't have a problem with the government telling me I have to give someone of a specific race a job opportunity. Looking at the big picture, I realize that things like this are necessary to break racial bias in hiring practices that have existed in our society for a long time.
What is a problem for me regarding affirmative action is this: When do we get rid of it? In my mind, laws like this should be temporary measures meant to correct gross inequities of opportunity until society catches up, so to speak. They shouldn't be around forever. There are no doubt people out there that never want to see AA go away.
Gordo
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One place you don't see any affirmative action requirements is professional sports. How are they able to hire the most qualified individual for their needs and not to meet same quotas as big business? I think there should be more white guys in basketball. See how ridiculous affirmative action really is... The day for it has past. I'd hire the most qualified if he/she was pink and green. Color doesn't factor into it. Best bang for the buck.
Eagler
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Bad example eagle.
BTW.. do you know why there are minorities playing in sports today?
Do you know why there is such a thing as free agency?
Any idea why women aren't competing against men in most of the sport world?
If a team tried out two players.. one black and one white.. both with equal skills... would the demographics of the city dictate wich one was hired?
An interesting euphimism from baseball recruting comes to mind: "you can teach a player most things, but you can't teach them speed". Thus.. sprint times are heavily weighed. Would a scout prefer to find a white or black player? I don't really think he'd care. He'd simply be looking at the stopwatch.
Professional sports provides a very tangeable set of goals. You reach those goals and you will succeed. In the non-sports work area, hiring is done with consideration to intangeables. Most of these criteria are purely individually motivated by that individual's life experience. That, in and of itself, is what leads to descrimination in the work place.
There is no clear set of performance indicators for most jobs. There is simply too much subjectivity. We have a hard time deciding who the best basketball player that year was given exact statistics from each player. Imagine if you only got numbers for the team? Then you had to pick who was contributing best to the team (without individual statistics) then pick who contributed more to their team than anyone from any other team?
Sports is its own world. Analogizing it to your work place isn't really aplicable.
AKDejaVu
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I disagree with you on the Gov saying who you have to hire.
In my old position of Service Manager I was a part of the hiring process and we always had to worry when a minority came in because our company was under our quota because of our location and the lack of minorities in our field. When one would come in we had to look at them first and a few times we had to choose them over more qualified people. We even had one come in a told us out right if we didn't hire him he would report us because he KNEW we were under our quota. He didn't even bother to give us a resume he just said he wanted the job or else.
Does this sound fair? No!
As a small business owner(OK the company is just me) I am offended that I would HAVE to look at the color of skin of a applicant before I even look at his resume.
AA is there to protect minorities but it discriminates against White Males.
I agree to a point something should have been done but the way AA is now it says that minorities have more rights and/or are more important than White Males.
I agree everyone IS equal and should be treated that way. AA does not provide that.
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Response to Mighty's last post: And there lies the problem, more folks abuse it with threats, and play 'the race card', thus defeating the purpose of the law, and creating even a larger 'race barrier' than existed before.
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more folks abuse it with threats, and play 'the race card', thus defeating the purpose of the law
More folks abuse it? More than whom? You really need to quantify that. More people than didn't get jobs because of race?
And.. defeating the purpose of the law? How about marring the intention of the law.
AKDejaVu
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Good points Deja, I was trying to merely give my opinion on the subject rather than making a firm statement.
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Originally posted by easymo:
Hmmmm, lets see.
Jesse Jackson is with gore.
Gen. Powell is about to become Secretary of State in the Bush administration.
How to chose. How to chose (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I am SERIOUSLY becoming an easymo fan!
Too funny! You GO, boy! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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My closest buddie in Viet Nam was a black man. Martian Luther King was killed while I was there. The news that did make it to us, from back home, indicated that blacks were rioting. In his pain and disappointment my friend questioned his role as a soldier. He said! that he should be back home fighting in the streets for his people. But, and this is a big but. He, like all his fellow black, American, soldiers continued to do his job.
The blatant unfairness of affirmative action is obvious. Yet, it pails in comparison with being drafted, and sent to kill people, for a country that treats you like a busboy. And murders your leaders.
In spite of all that was happening to them, at the time, My fellow Viet Nam vets (black) kept faith with the Constitution of the United States.
I am very proud to have had the opportunity to serve with them. And I belive, in my heart, that this same Constitution will provide them, and there descendents with the true freedom that they have EARNED.
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Easymo, good post. I <S> you for your part in the interests of the U.S. whether the 'interests' were a bad decision, or a good one. Thank God for the men of the military, black, white, yellow, or whatever...without you, there is no constitution.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Bad example eagle.
BTW.. do you know why there are minorities playing in sports today?
Do you know why there is such a thing as free agency?
Any idea why women aren't competing against men in most of the sport world?
If a team tried out two players.. one black and one white.. both with equal skills... would the demographics of the city dictate which one was hired?
The best bang for the buck. The company, sport franchise, will choose the employee, athlete, they can get for the lowest salary all other things equal. Your post reinforces mine. Business should be able to hire the most qualified not an individual because some government office tells them they need one more minority for some abstract balance. This sounds just as ludicrous as a football team forced to hire a white guy who runs the 50 yard dash 2 seconds slower than the slowest black guy just because the team doesn't have their quota of white guys. Sports is a business, one of the biggest with one of the largest salary bases, just look at A-rod, 1/4 of a BILLION dollars for a 10 year contract to play a game.
The day of affirmative action has past. Bigotry and ignorance, Archie Bunker style, is all but gone. Any now exposed, just sends both parties to the courts with lawyers in tow. Discrimination of all kinds is very profitable this day in age and businesses avoid it for such reasons.
Eagler
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It doesn't reinforce your argument eagle.
Despite the fact that you can't teach speed... how long did it take to get a negro into professional baseball? Who was the driving force behind it?
How long did it take to get a Negro in any sport? At the time it was done.. did team owners refuse to allow negros into their stadiums?
To liken the AA statement to some kind of reverse-discrimination is to not really understand to what level descrimination would be taken in the US without such rules.
America was unwatched for 70 years and look what happened. I like the idea of equal treatment... I don't like that there is a need for it to be enforced Federaly. But I don't deny that the need is there.
AKDejaVu
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so we got a bunch of forign people and whites and latinos discussing american blacks and what is wrong with them. jessy preaches to the people he leads , poor uneducated people mostly you expect his message to make sense to you?how many black folks play this game ( black americans i.e. the decendents of slaves )
i was raised in a southern republican white in a town where it is 50% 50 % black white .there are 2 towns within 20 miles that have 0 blacks why cause they attack them when they move in . ( vidor, tx and lumberton, TX ) whites gice lip service to being fair but most will call a black they never met a cupcake in a sec . once again this is from personal experience
alot of the people i played whith growin up are dead or in jail bout 3 times as many were black as white. so how did that happen?as it was their genetics lacking ? no they live in a country where people hold onto racial prejustice like a religion . being white i get to see it every day. i only wish you people get to see the other side of the street. cause even with afirmative action they are still gettin screwed cause of the color of their skin. its a fact if you happen to know a black who the system has chosen to reward and he votes where his money comes from can u blame him .
ask your republican black freinds how many of their family members are republican . i asked 18 people at work the other day only 3 even knew any black republicans . and all these were black proffesional types. get a life the us is as racist as it ever was . and just as mean. and god forbid anyone says so to yall.you attack his character any way you can just like you great granfathers.nothin has changed thus the protection under law that was the cool thing about our country now mayby you can change that .
i submit to most of you you are lieing dupicitous swine. in really dont even admit it to yourselves
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AKDejaVu
you are still in the past. yeah, they were discriminated against in sports and all walks of life but not today. Not where I live anyway. Maybe in the back woods of Alabama or somewhere but not in your "civilized" areas. Same goes for women. This day and age, the most qualified, motivated win. It's a crime to have to drag dead wood around because of an outdated law.
My generation was not swayed by color/sex as my father's was or as his father's. My children's generation are all but colored blind. This is a good thing and will just get better as long as an antiquated mindset of the NAACP, jeese love muffin and the like will keep their blow hole closed.
Eagler
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Eagler, I believe that in many areas you're right. But racism is still abundant in the US, in Europe, everywhere.
Just go back 40 years and see where the US was. Great strides forward to be sure, but still some distance to go.
More worrysome is the development in Europe though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif).
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Lets go back to the original question: What if there was a white Jesse Jackson? , and settle this once and for all.
If there was a white Jesse Jackson, he wouldn't be able to come up with all those witty rhymes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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you are still in the past. yeah, they were discriminated against in sports and all walks of life but not today.
ROTFLMAO! No sense in continuing with this one.
AKDejaVu
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On the topic of the Reverend Jackson, spotted this headline on CNN.com:
Rev. Jesse Jackson says Bush doesn't have moral authority to be president. CNN's Bill Delaney has an interview (December 13).
He sures knows how to bring people together lol. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by LJK Raubvogel:
On the topic of the Reverend Jackson, spotted this headline on CNN.com:
Rev. Jesse Jackson says Bush doesn't have moral authority to be president.
And the sad part is he believes gore does........... then again these are the same ppl who thought partying in Lincoln's bedroom and hummers in the Whitehouse are perfectly acceptable behavior also....
CNN's Bill Delaney has an interview Dec 13
This is the other half of the problem. Why do they give such rhetoric airtime? Just throws gas on the fire ...
Eagler
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Ya I have noticed somethign while reading here again, I keep coming across something like "its there to make up for how they were treated not to long ago"
Well I have to ask wher is this "not to long agon" gonna be long enough?
My point is that people keep passing of discriminationa against whites (AA) as a sort of reprisal for how blacks had it hard in the past. The problem with this it that as long as we have this sense of "making up for the past" well one day today will be the past and then what after being descriminated against for x number of years do you think whites are going to have an "we are all equal atittude" I really doubt it. And then there will be more discrimination. another thing about minorities I look around here in texas and Whites ARE the minority. The last job I had i was the only white person that worked in my entire buliding..hmmm didnt see anyone from AA squeaking either. So basically if you want to fill you office with anything ACCEPT white people thats jut fine but dont you dare hire too many of those white people...they are a bunch of racists that enslaved you grandpa, what a bunch of crap.
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Sigh... I read up and didn't see that once wobble.
Most of what is being said is "its there because if it weren't... they wouldn't be treated much better than the were not too long ago."
Its not about atonement... its about human nature.
AKDejaVu
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I'm glad you replied to that DejaVu, I wasn't about to touch that post. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Guys I didnt mean those exact words, but the whole tone to AA is not that it is necessarly right, but that is is "fair" because blacks used to suffer discrimination now whites suffer it as a sort of.... you bite me i bite you. Most all the folks alive and in the work force today that are black havent suffered what their ancestors suffered, and yet they are being compensated for it, ALSO most all of the whites in in the work force today had nothing to do with the biggotry and business racisom of bygone days and yet they are the made to be the ones that suffer. So basically people that didnt do anything wrong are being punished and segregated against and people that are not better or worse off than them are being given all these perks...BECAUSE OF THEIR COLOR! DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR?
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All too familiar, Wobble. Dejavu has made quite a few good posts about this. It comes down to the law not being punitive, but rather to ensure some semblence of fairness of opportunity in a society that wasn't the least bit fair until these types of laws were enacted to force it.
Here is another sports example for whoever posted the first one. How many black people have been hired for head coaching or management positions in the NFL? Maybe half a dozen black head coaches hired in the last decade, no general managers. Why? Are blacks within the coaching ranks somehow unqualified? Or is there a racial bias at work?
Question yourself about why these people don't get an opportunity at the highest levels of their profession. Is it because virtually none of them have the mental capacity for those jobs? You better answer no to this one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Is it because no black men want those jobs? The coaching ranks are filled with black assistant coaches that would love to move up. Okay, is it because black coaches that have the mental capacity and desire for the job are having less success at their current jobs than white people which leads them to be less qualified? I don't think so. There are a lot black assistant coaches and coordinators that do a bang-up job for succesful teams out there. So if there are capable and qualified black men that want these jobs, why have we seen virtually none get those jobs in the past decade?
I ask myself those questions and I am left with no conclusion except that there is some sort of racial bias at work within the pro football coaching/management field. This is echoed in many professions in America. The notion that our society is essentially fair isn't true. You may be fair and unbiased, but as a whole, we aren't there yet. We've opened up the bottom levels of business to minorities and women, but the opportunity still isn't close to being equal at the top. That is why you see groups such as a black coaches association, laws such as AA, and at least some blacks not too thrilled at suggestions to repeal such laws.
Gordo
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<S> Towd, I wanted to stay out of this, but you snagged me:
alot of the people i played whith growin up are dead or in jail bout 3 times as many were black as white. so how did that happen?as it was their genetics lacking ? no they live in a country where people hold onto racial prejustice like a religion .
How did that happen??? Actually, it happened because they COMMITTED A CRIME and they got caught. I swear, failure to take personal responsibility for your own actions is becoming a liberal disease!
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Gunthr