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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: gofaster on August 30, 2005, 10:07:03 AM
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An unperked B-24 really is ruining the game play in the MA. Its got the best guns/bombs/durability/speed package in the game. If it was a fighter, it'd be perked just like the F4U-4, F4uC, Ta-152, Tempest, and Spitfire MkIX are.
Perk the B-24!
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Id respect a perk around the range of a CHOG for the b-24
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Originally posted by gofaster
An unperked B-24 really is ruining the game play in the MA. Its got the best guns/bombs/durability/speed package in the game.
Your kidding me right? I fly B-24's all the time and get shot down all the time.
Defensive fire power is good but there are blind spots.
Bomb load depends on target. City a B-17 is better, CV's Lanc's. Airfields, I do prefer the B-24.
Durability, give me a break. One good hit on the wing and it is up in flames and then promptly comes off.
Speed, If I have to get there right now the Ki-67 is bomber I take. 320mph at 20K. The B-24 isn't all that fast, any fighter in the game can catch it.
Now if the B-29 is brought into the game, yeah perk that bad boy. Give me something to spend my bomber points on, but not the B-24.
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uber B24s?
did i miss something?
oh well.
perk the B24, and while at it perk the B17 and the lancaster and the b26 too, and perk bombs.
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Yes !
Ande perk the devasting rockets that jabos use to shredd the fields. Oh and before i forget it perk the canons on the planes, they do to much damage. Any gun over 10mm needs to be perked to equal it out.
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Dont forget using rockets to vulch
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B24's in this game are not the most durable bombers. I fly B24's, B17's, B26's, and KI67's a lot, and have found that, out of these bombers, the B26's are the most durable, especially going over enemy fields and CV's at 5K.
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:huh
Perk the freaking TROOPS!! THEY are ruining the game as they go marching along in a perfect column, wearing their C4 laden back packs, blowing the crap outta a perfectly good bunker. I hate those guys :mad:
;)
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No need to perk jabo loads...few take it anyways.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
The B-24 isn't all that fast, any fighter in the game can catch it.
No. The Hurri cant. And i dont think a6m or FM2/F4F can either.
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perk it!!
Got to use my perk points some how..
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Originally posted by gofaster
An unperked B-24 really is ruining the game play in the MA. Its got the best guns/bombs/durability/speed package in the game. If it was a fighter, it'd be perked just like the F4U-4, F4uC, Ta-152, Tempest, and Spitfire MkIX are.
Perk the B-24!
Your observations are wrong or your having a laugh. 26's best guns lancs best bombs b17's durability speed KI67 / bostons.
There is a right way and a wrong way to attack bombers and I ain't telling:D
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The most durable? lol Yeah.
Is that because 1 20mm to the tanks lights it up like a xmas tree?
Its not perk material by any means. If it was a fighter, it'd be perked just like the F4U-4, F4uC, Ta-152, Tempest, and Spitfire MkIX are.
I like that one.
Hey, guess what... Its not a fighter.:huh
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Originally posted by Flyboy
uber B24s?
did i miss something?
oh well.
perk the B24, and while at it perk the B17 and the lancaster and the b26 too, and perk bombs.
Originally posted by Schutt
Yes !
Ande perk the devasting rockets that jabos use to shredd the fields. Oh and before i forget it perk the canons on the planes, they do to much damage. Any gun over 10mm needs to be perked to equal it out.
LOL yup perk it all
:p
I see alot of b26s and lanc.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
The most durable? lol Yeah.
Is that because 1 20mm to the tanks lights it up like a xmas tree?
No kidding. I can hear the squeals now if a had an engine that caught fire as easily as a California mountainside in August. (Ok... zekes don't count... those things fly forever while burning :p )
Anytime I get shot down by a set of buffs, I usually know it's coming. "yep... blew that shot... his target's coming up... screw it, now or never... ping ping ping ping"
A good setup will kill them easy, hit the drones, let them burn, setup, repeat. It doesn't actually take cannons either. I lost an entire set to a very good P51 pilot who did exactly that... kept speed and E... pinged at engines only. Over the course of 4-5 runs ALL B24s were dead and I saluted him on a job well done (and I can usually kill anyone getting too close eventually).
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all bombers are easy to kill. some buffdrivers make it more difficult. I kill lots of buffs. the hardest guys to kill for me are
1. LYNX
2. 999000
thankfully they are both rooks for now
3. Dantoo
4. Tatertot
5. Bullz
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Another reason the B-24 shouldn't be perked is that (according to http://www.b24memorial.org/history.html) it was built in greater numbers than any other US aircraft in history and is the most-produced multi-engine aircraft in the world.
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oh man... what's gonna come next? this is turning out to be "Perk Anything/Everything that is common in the MA"
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Originally posted by storch
all bombers are easy to kill. some buffdrivers make it more difficult. I kill lots of buffs. the hardest guys to kill for me are
1. LYNX
2. 999000
thankfully they are both rooks for now
3. Dantoo
4. Tatertot
5. Bullz
Well then you havent come across Thundr and I reasently. lol I think we deserve a place on that list of yours. Beware our B26's of doom.
As far as perking the 24 I just have to say YEAH RIGHT LOL :rofl . The 24 has good guns but it isn't that tough. It's got good speed at alt (284 at 20K doors open) but thats about it. I much prefer the 17 or 26's for toughness unless I am looking for high alt speed with lots of bombs. But usually if I go high alt I take the KI-67 (325 with doors open at 20K).
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Well then you havent come across Thundr and I reasently. lol I think we deserve a place on that list of yours. Beware our B26's of doom.
As far as perking the 24 I just have to say YEAH RIGHT LOL :rofl . The 24 has good guns but it isn't that tough. It's got good speed at alt (284 at 20K doors open) but thats about it. I much prefer the 17 or 26's for toughness unless I am looking for high alt speed with lots of bombs. But usually if I go high alt I take the KI-67 (325 with doors open at 20K).
You are just the type of bomber driver I love to hunt. perhaps you aren't on the list because I have run into you. ;)
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lamo storch u have only seen me a few times in buffs and we have had some great battles but mostly at 25k in lancs and guns suck.. u thnk my lancs are tough to kill .. try my 17's=) >S< btw u dork that started this post ... no bomber in this game is worth perking.. strap a bigger bombload to the lancs ..like the 22000LB. Grand Slam ON THE lancs and ya might have yourself a perked bomb lol.. there is no such thing as an invincable buff.. only the gunner =)..BTW wHO IS THUNDER??? :lol
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Originally posted by Morpheus
The most durable? lol Yeah.
Is that because 1 20mm to the tanks lights it up like a xmas tree?
Its not perk material by any means.
I like that one.
Hey, thats why the 20mm canons have to be perked too!
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Originally posted by Schatzi
No. The Hurri cant. And i dont think a6m or FM2/F4F can either.
OK you have me there, but those barely qualify as fighters anyway:D
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BTW wHO IS THUNDER
Oh sorry it was late very late last night when I posted....
Thundregg. :)
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Originally posted by Hornet33
OK you have me there, but those barely qualify as fighters anyway:D
Hrrmmmph....
In the right hands the Hurricane Mk1 is a *more* than dangerous fighter!
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Perk! Perk points they allow all the people with perk points to up perk planes. Then all the people without perk points whine about them not having perk points. People that have perk points but cant fly perk planes whine about augering them. Oh and then my personal favorite the HT you owe me XXX perk points cause your crappy system dumped me when I was about to land XXX kills in my uberperkolator! Perk points are the devils spawn. The are evil incarnate.
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Originally posted by icemaw
Perk! Perk points they allow all the people with perk points to up perk planes. Then all the people without perk points whine about them not having perk points. People that have perk points but cant fly perk planes whine about augering them. Oh and then my personal favorite the HT you owe me XXX perk points cause your crappy system dumped me when I was about to land XXX kills in my uberperkolator! Perk points are the devils spawn. The are evil incarnate.
LoL.
I have an idea. I got plenty of those perks and nothing to use them for (Seahurricane maybe????).
I could sell them. $2.99 for lets say a packet containing 50 Fighter perks and 10 Bomber perks? When buying at least 5 packs, ill add a few Vehicle perks as bonus... hmmm, i think i need a new ebay account!
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Originally posted by bullz
lamo storch u have only seen me a few times in buffs and we have had some great battles but mostly at 25k in lancs and guns suck.. u thnk my lancs are tough to kill .. try my 17's=) >S< btw u dork that started this post ... no bomber in this game is worth perking.. strap a bigger bombload to the lancs ..like the 22000LB. Grand Slam ON THE lancs and ya might have yourself a perked bomb lol.. there is no such thing as an invincable buff.. only the gunner =)..BTW wHO IS THUNDER??? :lol
I only send the "buhbye buffy" message to guys when I kill the entire formation. u got the "buhbye buffy" message from me once. you were in B17s at around 5k dweeb porking innocent toolsheds. I died immediately after you but you had no way of knowing that. I remember it because it was by far the best defended box of buffs ever. so for that fight here is a belated S!! to you sir. I was sure you were gunning for someone else but after fighting you many other times I have come to respect your bufftard gunnery skills.
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I am no bufftard!!!!!! lol u should see me n a ftr =) DA anyone???
AND>>S<< BACK at cha:aok
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Originally posted by SkyChimp
LOL yup perk it all
:p
I see alot of b26s and lanc.
Didn't you quit?
honestly, if you say you gonna quit the game, it should include the BBS...
ack-ack
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AMEN!
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Fine.. Ill get skuzz to ban me happy?
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why go thru the trouble??...your attempts for attention are not only persistant but annoying lol just stop... ''just say no''to teh BB
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I still have a hard time in a B24... they can sure throw a flame!
I agree that the B26 the best of the bunch ...that why taterot loves them....Pearsonally think B17 best overall. But the truth is all bombers get shot down a lot.....a bias opion here but sure don't think they wrecking the game
friends and foes!
999000
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Originally posted by SkyChimp
Fine.. Ill get skuzz to ban me happy?
No self control?
ack-ack
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If you want to perk soemthing Buff related, here is what should really be perked:
(Thanks for the list Storch)
1. LYNX
2. 999000
thankfully they are both rooks for now
3. Dantoo
4. Tatertot
5. Bullz
:D
Cheers,
RTR
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Here's an idea...If a buff drops it's eggs at under 5k,at a speed over 250mph and an attitude of anything less than level...
...it becomes a perk plane(10 perks)
i don't know how hard it would be to code,but i sure would like to see something like that.
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Originally posted by gofaster
An unperked B-24 really is ruining the game play in the MA. Its got the best guns/bombs/durability/speed package in the game. If it was a fighter, it'd be perked just like the F4U-4, F4uC, Ta-152, Tempest, and Spitfire MkIX are.
Perk the B-24!
Sounds like someone got shot?
B24s aren't any harder to take out than a B17. Blow a lot of bullets into the inboard engine and watch the wings come off. Why are we crying about this? Its not like its a secret.
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YES! Perk B17's and B24's! They are UBER!
Proof is HERE (http://www.furballunderground.com/blueknights_pictures/userfiles/Wilbus/Bomber%20Slashing.zip)
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Perk everyone who run porking fields and ruining other players fun.
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So there are bombers that are more durable/better guns.
Bombers with bigger bomb load.
Bombers that are faster.
But are there any bombers that are as good at all 3?
Think about the arguments you guys have posted NOT to perk it.
"It blows up like a Christmas tree..." if you can get close enough to hit it. Ooooh those .50s are nasty things at long range. And at high alt, most fighters will have a tough time catching it.
"The B-26 is faster..." but doesn't have the bomb load and hi-alt capability.
"The B-17 is more durable..." but doesn't have the bomb load and speed.
"The Lancaster has a bigger bombload" ... but doesn't have the .50s either.
The F4UC isn't any faster than a regular Corsair... but its perked because of its guns.
The Ta-152 doesn't pack a bigger punch than a Dora... but its perked because its faster.
The Spit Mk XIV isn't any more durable than a Spit IX... but its perked because its faster.
When you look at the package the B-24 offers; the combo of .50s, bomb load, speed, and hi-alt capability, is there any bomber that's better?
I don't recall many WW2 mission planners saying "and after you release your load, just go into a shallow dive to 400 ias, then level and maintain until you reach base..." The B-24 is being abused, muy gamey.
Perk the B-24!
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Originally posted by gofaster
An unperked B-24 really is ruining the game play in the MA. Its got the best guns/bombs/durability/speed package in the game.
Your kidding me right? I fly B-24's all the time and get shot down all the time.
Then you must learn to fly higher. ;)
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Originally posted by ThunderEGG
B24's in this game are not the most durable bombers. I fly B24's, B17's, B26's, and KI67's a lot, and have found that, out of these bombers, the B26's are the most durable, especially going over enemy fields and CV's at 5K.
The B-26 is my favorite bomber. I go in low and fast, blind-bomb the city, then de-ack.
But the B-26 stumbles over 12k alt, giving opponents a fighting chance to defend their airfields. The B-24 just keeps going up and up and up...
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Originally posted by LYNX
Your observations are wrong or your having a laugh. 26's best guns lancs best bombs b17's durability speed KI67 / bostons.
26 best guns... Check!
Lancs best bombs... Check!
B-17s best durabilty.. Check!
Speed.. Ki-67.. Check!
But the 26 won't fly well over 12-15k.
The Lanc has .303s poking out.
The 17 has a so-so bomb load.
Ki-67 ... has so many blind spots it should wear dark glasses.
For every strength, each of these has an equal weakness.
But not the B-24.
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I say perk the Ju88.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Think about the arguments you guys have posted NOT to perk it.
You forgot this one:
Another reason the B-24 shouldn't be perked is that (according to http://www.b24memorial.org/history.html) it was built in greater numbers than any other US aircraft in history and is the most-produced multi-engine aircraft in the world [to this day].
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Perked or not i don't care, but hunting B 24s,17s,26s is a risky bussines, should be payed better in fighter perks
i don't think B24s are more durable, All bombers have the same sesitive spot :> if you hit them in center of wing+ fuselaje from above , few rounds set them on fire
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Originally posted by gofaster
Then you must learn to fly higher. ;)
I normally fly between 15-20K. Alt isn't the problem. The problem is the B-24 tends to burn fast. I get my fair share of kills from the guns, but a couple of good hits by a enemy fighter and the B-24 burns like a meteor for a couple minutes and the wing comes off.
No need for it to be perked
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come on..the only reason to fly a B24 over a Lancaster is that it has a ball turret...
I say give us an earlier version of b24 with no balls...If ya want a ball turret?..Perk it.
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Bloody hell people they are easy to kill and there are few enough bombers in the air as it is.
Look at my film if you think they are too tough or too dangerous.
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you shouldn't be attacking from below and behind. however perhaps what we should be asking for is the Ju88C6a with the 6 cannon nose with the schrage musik for the gunners. we should also have the schrage musik option for the 110. also has anyone else given thought to utilizing a formation of lightly loaded B26s to hit from underneath with the top turrets?
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Originally posted by storch
you shouldn't be attacking from below and behind. however perhaps what we should be asking for is the Ju88C6a with the 6 cannon nose with the schrage musik for the gunners. we should also have the schrage musik option for the 110. also has anyone else given thought to utilizing a formation of lightly loaded B26s to hit from underneath with the top turrets?
Tried bomber vs bomber attacks but why should one do it?
A normal 2x20mm gunned fighter will do it faster and better.
Not to mention the normal 3 or 4 gunned fighters people usually fly (tiffie,La7, Niki etc)
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By SirLoin
come on..the only reason to fly a B24 over a Lancaster is that it has a ball turret...
And it out climbs the lanc by about double.
It takes A LOT of patience to take a lank to 18k... But a B24 can get there as fast as a B17 and bring a little more load.
The lanc bomb load is just so heavy that its a hassle to get it above a few thousand feet.
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But basicly the lanc climbs so slow due to bomb load being so much greater?
How does it perform with the same amount of load?
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IMO all the buffs bar the B26 are easy to shoot down. I haven't found the B24 to be any more difficult than any other buff. It's slow enough that multiple passes can be made against it without any real difficulty. Added with the fact that it sets on fire so easily i don't see any reason why the B24 should be perked. I find the B24 to be amongst the easiest of bombers to shoot down.
The only bomber i find hard to shoot down is the B26 simply because of it's speed.
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"Willy's gone and made another, Something like it's elder brother- Wing tips rounded, spinner's bigger. Unbraced tailplane ends it's figure. One-O-nine F is it's name- F is for futile, not for fame."
Shouldn't it be "F is its name" not "F is it's name"? :p
I agree about the B26 though, dangerous little bugger.
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Shouldn't it be Ta 152.
P.S. I hate you wil:p;)
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LOL LOL! Sure you do ;)
And yes it should!
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Speaking of which, the 152 is an AWESOME bomber buster. And it has longer range than a dora (and a DT as well). 90x30mm and I think 250x20mm (MG150/20, is it called?). Slow to climb and accelerate, once at speed it is a nasty thing for a bomber to run up against.
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350x20mm in 2xMg 151/20.
DT is not something that one should use in Ta152 and 190's though as even after it has been dropped the plane suffered from lowered speed.
The 152 is a good bomber killer but suffers from the same thing as Dora does in AH. Radiator hits nomatter where the shot comes from.