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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wanker on December 12, 2000, 12:37:00 PM
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After enduring countless years of whining about the so-called "Liberal Mainstream Media", I'd like to ask for a bonafide conservative to provide some links to an example of Conservative Mainstream Media".
Put your money where your mouth is, and let us see exactly how unbiased this conservative media is.
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Well, CNN, just hired a conservative talk show host, first time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) They were so proud of it, they've been spewing about it in advertisement lately.
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Watch the O'Reilly Factor on Fox News sometime. Also, Shawn Hannity of Hannity and Colmes is about as conservative as they come.
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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well, Olly North is working for the Gore cheerleading squad...I mean MSNBC. Olly is a true conservative. They also have an editorialist named Jay Severin. Wanna, see some real conservative views? read his latest..stand and deliver (http://www.msnbc.com/news/501342.asp#BODY).
theres plenty more. The washington times (http://www.washtimes.com/) is fairly conservative, newsmax.com...
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There isn't a "mainstream" conservative media. Unless you count Rush or Fox news. I don't count fox news though, they seemed to be ballanced to me. Bill O'riley says he's an independent, but he seems to be a conservative to me, although he does ask the tough questions to both parties. I also don't realy look at cable news as "mainstream" way more people watch ABC,CBS, NBC than CNN or FOX or CNBC. The 3 on regular tv are defenately bent to the left.
It seems to be getting more on the ballanced side though. But alot of times their bias is real subtle. Like saying the SCoUS is deciding the election, that's a false statement. They are hearing an apeal from the bush side on a ruling in the FLSC from the Gore side which was an apeal from the circuit court in Leon Co. Fl.
That what you lookin for bax? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
PS> Ripsnort, is there a Western Union or Moneygram near you? I'll email you this afternoon when I go home sick. Thursday is the big day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
udie
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Just as I suspected. There are conservatives on the mainstream media, and their numbers are growing.
See, it's a whole lot easier to just start name calling and pointing the finger, than it is to debate the issues.
That's the problem I have with some of you conservatives. You openly admit that there are conservatives on the "mainstream" airwaves and newspapers, but you still have fallen into the catch phrase of the "liberal mainstream media" just so you can have someone to blame for your party's own shortcomings.
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Ok, just read "Stand and Deliver".
Are y'all trying to tell me that "Stand and Deliver" is more professional and fair in it's reporting than any major news program on TV now? Yer kidding me. I defy you to show me any text or quote from a major national news organization reporting on the current election(cable or network is fine) that is as biased as the statements made on "Stand and Deliver".
I dunno guys, but every national network and cable news program that I've seen has a person from both parties, and are allowed to give their views. Where is the liberal bias in that?
[This message has been edited by banana (edited 12-12-2000).]
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The problem is that on the major networks, ABC,NBC and CBS, the evening national news are slanted left.. usually way left. This is the news Joe six pack sits down and watches every evening unknowingly swallowing the liberal slime for unbiased reporting. Fox news is more center usually right of center but is on pay tv, cable.
Eagler
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Oh come on, Eagler. How about some examples of this left-slanted bias? Show me the BIAS!
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Originally posted by banana:
Oh come on, Eagler. How about some examples of this left-slanted bias? Show me the BIAS!
banana
You for real? You really don't see it? Err hear it? Watch the news this evening with an open mind, you'll see plenty of examples of it. Check their websites. The "editorials" and comments on those run liberal 5 to 1 to conservative ones. Just a coincidence? Don't think so..
Eagler
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How's this?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/501078.asp?0nm=-17L (http://www.msnbc.com/news/501078.asp?0nm=-17L)
...and this?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/495921.asp (http://www.msnbc.com/news/495921.asp)
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Gee, Kieren...
You think those weren't just honest unbiased news reports?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Paul Begala is a former Clinton adviser.
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Umm.....banana....got a short memory? how about the fact that the major networks called Florida for Gore after only 1% of the precincts had reported? That surely didn't affect the election at all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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Oh man,
Good Morning America, Today, The View, Rosie, Oprah, The National News are just a few examples. Gore was on the Today show almost every day durring the campain, GW didn't make it on once. If he had, I bet they would have asked him about drugs or drinking and driving. They never once asked Gore about a monistary or impeachment.
Another example, George Steponallofus er... ur Stephenopolis. Kind of strange how he went straight from the white house to ABC. David Gergen (sp?) from PBS came straight from the white house too. Another example, when polled in 95 and again in 2000 the "media" came out 90% liberal/democrat.
Just watch the way they cover a story, even this election. Dan Rather says something like "Today the Republican legislature of Florida, which is controlled by republicans is voting to give it's own slate of electors." Yet when he talks about the Florida attorney general or other democrats in florida, he neglects to "inform" the viewer that they are democrats. It's not just Dan either, Peter and Tom do it too. Ted Coppel does it from time to time, but he seems much more ballanced than the rest, when I watch him that is.
Then there are the "sitcoms" and movies, which IMO are both part of the mainstream media. Anytime there is a Republican he's either misguided, a geek or an evil badguy only out to enrich himself to the detrement of others.
Here's a serious question for you....
Do you have any idea what it's like to be labeled a "rascist, biggot, childstarving, elderly killing, selfish, religious fanatic" for 8 years?
I do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) and none of it's true...
Udie
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Kieren, those are the opinion parts of MSNBC, not the mainstream "reporting" headlines. Those examples you listed were just opposite the same stuff found on MSNBC under "Stand and Deliver".
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. What I'm referring to is not "editorial" parts of a news organization, but the actual news reporting. On the nightly news on almost any channel, you have the anchor turning it over to a reporter on the scene for coverage of an issue. IMHO, all networks and cablenews coverage does a good job at explaning both sides' opinions.
Raubvogel, I saw CBS do just that, and they re-tracted within a few minutes. As a matter of fact, they bent over backwards to say they screwed up. And you know as well as I do that all the stations did the exact same thing in 1984 and 1988 and 1992 and 1996. I remember when Reagan won in 1984, every station was calling it a Reagan victory mere minutes after the voting closed on the east coast. They've done the same, stupid thing for years, not only when the Democrat wins.
FWIW, I agree that that's an annoying habit. I think that no news channel should call anything until all the voting is complete, in all 50 states.
Udie, I heard Paul Harvey the other day start out his ramblings thusly: "Hello Americans, today, the Florida State Supreme Court, all Democrats, will decide...etc."
Now, if Paul Harvey isn't mainstream, I don't know who is. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie, each party gets slapped with labels like that. Heh, to you Reps, all of us Dems look like "Whale Saving, tree hugging, bleeding heart Socialists".
Gee Udie, I didn't know you were that sensitive. You'd make a good liberal. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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banana - you're oviously not informed... here is how it works..
This is a consipiracy. You see, aliens are sponoring evil democeats and controling the media thanks to their "brain wave" technology. The aim is to take guns away from all freedom loving people so that when invasion of aliens comes - they can't defend themselves.
Can't you see it ?
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
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damn fd ski .. thanks!
it all makes sense now!
Eagler
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Udie - how about being called a 'communist', 'baby-killer', 'bleeding heart liberal'. And that's just on this board.
How about my particular favourite quote from this BB:
"I believe you Europes can stay outa this thread as you've been flushing babies for a decade now." [sic]
Rational conservative debate? Where?
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Erm.. Dowding? That quote was from an individual.. not a Bulletin Board.
as a rule.. people only discuss those types of topics in this forum because they feel complex issues are quite simple. To be honest.. very few of the discussions on this board actually scratch the surface of the real issue before they degrade to name calling.
This is to be expected when individuals are stating, then defending their point of view.
Its actually quite different when the accusations are coming from the government... filtering down into your workplace.. then into your private life.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Dowding:
How about my particular favourite quote from this BB:
"I believe you Europes can stay outa this thread as you've been flushing babies for a decade now." [sic]
Rational conservative debate? Where?
thank you, thank you
I'll take credit for that one. Made you think though didn't it. It was pertaining to RU486 pill which I still think is as evil as evil gets. What else happens when a woman takes the pill? The the baby just dissolves into a happy goo and disappears? Don't think so, it goes down the toilet along with the person's conscience. Just another way of avoiding responsibility for ones own action, a liberal mantra.
Eagler
[This message has been edited by Eagler (edited 12-12-2000).]
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Simple test.
If you agree with 90% of what the TV station says when it discusses politics then there is a good chance it sides with your party.
For example CNN(Clinton National Network) reports that Floriduh goes to Bore when Bush is ahead by 10%.
Or when their consultants almost all come from the Demo party i.e. CNN.
I only mention CNN because that is the only station I've been watching. They are the first to get the news almost every time. But you have to see it live so you get the REAL story not the Demo view.
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Just another way of avoiding responsibility for ones own action, a liberal mantra.
Would you pleas stop stereotyping? I'm a liberal, but I hate abortion when used as birth control. Eagler, I know that it simplifies things to just brand all liberals as "baby killers", but to do so is to ignore all of us out there that think about each issue, and don't just spew the "party line".
Try it sometime. Free thinking is a good thing.
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I choose to form my own political views. Call me wierd... but I just don't trust the media to do my thinking for me.
AKDejaVu
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Mighty1, with all due respect, you need to take a few courses in logical thinking from your brother. Too much Rush Limbaugh has warped your thinking.
Who's the eldest brother, btw?
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Well, CNN, just hired a conservative talk show host, first time. They were so proud of it, they've been spewing about it in advertisement lately.
That's good news, Rip. IMHO there should be a good balance between liberal and conservative views on the airwaves. Both sides will probably learn something.
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Who is this Rush guy and what is wrong with my observation?
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banana
Sorry, I am guilty of that. It is easier to lump them together.
Glad to hear you are against abortion as a means of birth control. I just see easy outs as this pill and now an over the counter "morning after" pill used as an excuse for sleazy behavior.
Sorry again banana <S>
Eagler
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np Eagler <S>, all in good fun! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm just in a debating mood today. Wonder where Nash is hiding during all of this?
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So you were attention grabbing Eagler? How about this:
"All gun owners are responible for the Columbine Massacre."
It's as ignorant and down right stupid as your comment. Ignorant; because it avoids the complexities of the issue; and stupid; because it in no way pushes forward the debate.
Made you think though didn't it.
Credit people with a modicum of general knowledge and intelligence, please. Most people have their own views on the subject, and to make out you were somehow 'opening' their eyes to the issue is downright patronising.
Just another way of avoiding responsibility for ones own action, a liberal mantra.
You REALLY like your pigeon holes, don't you? You espouse freedom of choice and independance, yet you don't allow people any sense of individuality. "All liberals are the same" seems to be your mantra.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you are against the use of the 'morning after pill' in all circumstances. If so, what happens to the conscience of a woman after rape and she takes the pill? Not allowing women an abortion after rape is 'as evil as evil gets'.
BTW, the 'morning after pill' is now available in the UK without prescription for anyone over 16 (costs £20 a time).
Erm... AKDejaVu when I said '...from this BB.", I wasn't implying that this BB is a conscious entity. Individuals make up this BB, in the same way that individuals make up a media service.
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The audience of this bbs is not to be compared to our national news. I do generalize, see above post to banana. As for the rape victim, this seems to be an excuse many use to justify now over the counter murder. If my wife was raped and became pregnant because of it, I would have the baby aborted in a hospital. I would pay for it, not the government. I don't think anyone would say anything about it. Take rape out of the argument please. I'm talking about abortion as a means of birth control. I'm talking about my tax dollars paying for someone's murder.
Now that it just another "vitamin", our younger generations morals will continue to spiral downward.
Democrat's 2004 cry:
"A condom in every wallet, a morning after pill in every purse"
Eagler
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Who needs a functioning joystick when you have the O'Club?
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StSanta
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Believe it or not I believe in personal responsibility; you can't have have rights without them. I also believe that most people don't use abortion as a form of post-coital contraception. To use the rape situation as an argument for abortion, is as valid as using the 'abuse' of abortion as an argument against it. Both are extremes and I don't really believe they happen that much, compared to the bigger picture.
I don't really want to discuss the possibility of your wife getting raped, it's an horrific prospect and a little too personal. However, how do you decide when abortion is murder and when it is justified? Surely murder is murder, i.e. 'black is black, white is white'?
The irony here is that you believe people should have the freedom to carry guns, to have a choice (against the wishes of people who would outlaw them based on their values), yet you would like to refuse that same choice in terms of abortion, based on your values.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 12-12-2000).]
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Agreed Dowding
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Eagler
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Originally posted by banana:
Gee Udie, I didn't know you were that sensitive. You'd make a good liberal. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Tried that once, but my superior intelect kept getting in the way. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) So I chose the right idiology (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
udie
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LOL! <S>
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hehe-
I knew those were biased- I just had to show an opposing viewpoint to the previous conservative extremist.
There is a reason politics is described on a spectrum; there are extremes on either end. both sides have their loonies. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Aye, <S> Eagler.
No hard feelings here, just healthy disagreement. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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