Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Smiggyy on August 31, 2005, 02:45:00 AM
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How about the Gloster Meteor?
Might give the 262'ers summat to think about?
It came into service just enough to qualify for the general genre of this game.
Just a thought.
Smiggs.
:aok
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The only jet I can think of that should be perk free would be the p59...
But the meteor would be fun.
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So everyone flys around in the perk free meteor and kills the poor, helpless prop planes without risk?
Ah dont know if that is better than costly 262s flying around... was the meteor that much worse than the 262? I doubt that.
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I think the only unperked jet that should be considered would be the He 162
http://www.vectorsite.net/avhe162.html
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I'd say the Meteor Mk III would be a better arena fighter than the 262. While it was 50mph slower than the German jet, it was still faster than any prop fighter. It also had around half the wing loading and a better power loading than the 262, so it would be a much better dogfighter. Instead of those 30mm mortars you have four nose mounted hispanos with 195rpg. Then there's the really good over the nose view for deflection shooting and finally dive brakes to prevent overshoots.
Should be perked at least as high as the 262 IMO.
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man the he-162 would be so coool.. was my favorite plane for a period..
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Originally posted by Tilt
I think the only unperked jet that should be considered would be the He 162
Please explain why the He162 should be free? It seems to me that it should be perked at 100 to 150 points.
Meteor Mk III should be 150 to 200 points.
Meteor Mk I should be 50 to 150 points.
I would prefer the Meteor Mk III of those choices.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Please explain why the He162 should be free? It seems to me that it should be perked at 100 to 150 points.
Meteor Mk III should be 150 to 200 points.
Meteor Mk I should be 50 to 150 points.
I would prefer the Meteor Mk III of those choices.
The Meteors have no place in the game the thing never even got a kill in combat. thats like saying that the jap. version of the Me262 should be in the game because the first test flight few 8 days before the A bomb was droped.
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Even though it came really late I would think that the perk free plane should be the p80.
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Originally posted by Larry
The Meteors have no place in the game the thing never even got a kill in combat. thats like saying that the jap. version of the Me262 should be in the game because the first test flight few 8 days before the A bomb was droped.
You are overstating your case here. The Kikka and other fighters that were not operational before WW2 ended obviously have no place in the MA. The Meteor had been operational since 1944. It never engaged an enemy fighter, but it shot down a few V-1s and flew numerous ground attack sorties.
If you want a reason to exclude it, you could say it was a rare aircraft that had no real effect on the outcome of WW2 and introducing it would be unbalancing in what is supposed to be a WW2 game/simulation.
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Originally posted by Larry
The Meteors have no place in the game the thing never even got a kill in combat. thats like saying that the jap. version of the Me262 should be in the game because the first test flight few 8 days before the A bomb was droped.
Do some basic research before revealing the depths of your ignorance.
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Quote from me Larry:-
"It came into service just enough to qualify for the general genre of this game."
Smiggy.
:rolleyes:
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I could see the he-162 being free if the problems associated with it were modeled in as well. Say random structural failures and flame outs. Would ad a bit of excitement to flying it. It should be limited to the same bases as the me-163.
"Man I had you! but my engine flame out."
or
“Did not expect the tail to fall off after take of”
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Originally posted by Karnak
Do some basic research before revealing the depths of your ignorance.
Why thank you karnak dont worry because the things I said were true and before you start throwing insults go take a long hard look in the mirror then maybe take a look here. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/announcement.php?s=&forumid=9)
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Originally posted by Larry
Why thank you karnak dont worry because the things I said were true and before you start throwing insults go take a long hard look in the mirror then maybe take a look here. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/announcement.php?s=&forumid=9)
Just FYI, the Nakajima "Kikka" jet-special attack plane (note it was not classified as a fighter) made its maiden flight on August 7, 1945.
Prior to the date, it had only tested on the ground including taxing, etc.
Also the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945 (all time is Japanese standard time).
I have always enjoyed and learned a lot from detailed and well-researched post of Karnak.
p.s. Would you take just a few second to type additional keys as Japanese in stead of j**, please? It is rather insulting anyway.
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Starting to fall of the track so to speak!
Let's stop the "nit-picking" eh guys?
Before it gets any more personal than it is already.
The thread was supposed to be about the
Gloster Meteor and me thinking maybe it should be considered for inclusion into the game as an adversary to the 262.
As sum1 stated earlier I now retract the idea of it being free, it would pose to much of a "free" threat to props.
:)
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Sorry but this is the worst idea yet.
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I'll allow the Nikka and the He162 if the P80 is allowed.
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Larry,
You said that the Meteor, an aircraft that was in service beginning in 1944 (yes, 1944), saw active combat operations in two major versions, the Mk I and MK III, both over England and the continent was the same as an aircraft who's prototype had one flight just before the war ended.
That is an absurd comparison.
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Or you can fight 262's with your own 262's. It's not like there is only one plane available.
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:aok
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Originally posted by Larry
The Meteors have no place in the game the thing never even got a kill in combat. thats like saying that the jap. version of the Me262 should be in the game because the first test flight few 8 days before the A bomb was droped.
The Meteor became operational in April 1944, you know, that is about the same time as the P-51D and Hawker Tempest.
They were kept on home soil to combat V-1 raids and reluctance of the air ministry to risk losing one to the enemy.
Meteor III's were actually based on the continent and searching for the luftwaffe from early 1945 but couldn't find an airborne fight, they did however do ground attack work.
Meteor III would be a great perk addition to the Main Arena.