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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: kevykev56 on September 01, 2005, 07:39:51 PM
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I am listening the news it is frustrating me to no end. I keep hearing the same thing, I have no food, no water, no A/C, no toilet.
Its stupid. These people were told to leave, get out of the path of the storm. One woman said when asked if she was fed "They gave us army food, It was cold, I couldnt eat that stuff" How spoiled are these people. If its good enough for our soldiers the by god its good enough for her.
Some im sure didnt have the funds and couldnt avoid it. I will bet that there are MANY of the survivors in N.O. that could have gotten out. Storms are inconvenient but if you live in the path of storms be prepaired have a plan. Put a couple hundred $ in a sock, a nickel at a time if you must. This is a tragedy that has been waiting to happen for years. The damage models were there, it was only a matter of time. They rolled the dice and lost.
This is a horrible situation for all in the area, a problem we as a country will all have to burdeon. We as a whole will have to make adjustments to our lives to get through this tragedy.
I will do my part, donate items/money/time. I already gave cash today at work to get some relief to the area. Now its time for the refugees to do their part, suck it up and deal with it, and do it with a smile on your face and a thank you rolling off your lips.
Rant off...
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Originally posted by kevykev56
...These people were told to leave, get out of the path of the storm. One woman said when asked if she was fed "They gave us army food, It was cold, I couldnt eat that stuff" How spoiled are these people.
Ya ever had Blackened Swordfish, Crawfish Pie, Dirty Rice, Gumbo?
Tough to go from eating at Prudomme's to a cold MRE. Give 'em some slack, the just lost most everyting, and I'm sure it's tough to see the silver lining from Canal Street.
I'd like to complain about people who hold things up by complaining about people complaining. It's about time something was done about it.--P (M)
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Originally posted by kevykev56
One woman said when asked if she was fed "They gave us army food, It was cold, I couldnt eat that stuff"
I just saw that same clip sitting here with my son. we just looked at each other like. you gotta be kidding me. Couple days without food and your complaining about the cuisine??
Sorry they couldnt serve you gumbo. but there are THOUSANDS of other people that need to be fed too.
Send her back to The french quarter for a few more days until her tune changes
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On second thought. maybe she tried the brownie.
Tried one once and not sure I could eat that either. Tasted like soap....seriously
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Ya ever had Blackened Swordfish, Crawfish Pie, Dirty Rice, Gumbo?
Tough to go from eating at Prudomme's to a cold MRE. Give 'em some slack, the just lost most everyting, and I'm sure it's tough to see the silver lining from Canal Street.
Slack? Im not talking about the ones who had no way of getting out. I am talking about the huge numbers that are left behind. It a tough environment to live in, people have been living in conditions like they are in other countrys their entire lives. They have been in this condition for 4 days.
When Opal came to my area, I evacuated, when Ivan came here I evacuated. Its common sense, look at what happend in the past and realize it can happen to you.
Most people who live on the Gulf coast know of the dangers, most get out of the way. I have a problem with the ones who disregard the warnings and try to ride it out.
I will give no slack to someone who turns their nose up to perfectly good nourishment because their pallate is too sophisticated.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
On second thought. maybe she tried the brownie.
Tried one once and not sure I could eat that either. Tasted like soap....seriously
Ouch, didnt think about that one....the green egg omlet MRE is by far the worst thing I have ever eaten...but then again, i wasnt starving.
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See Rule #5
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Originally posted by Nash
See Rule #5
Yep....your not? Your happy with them risking the lives of all the brave people trying to rescue them. Everytime one of those choppers go up and a guy drops down that line they risk death. They are dying because they didnt want to drive away.
Once again, I understand some couldnt leave. If the ones who could have left did leave then there would have been pleanty of transportation/food/water for the ones who couldnt.
So yeah, it is some reaction.
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In deffense of MREs they do come with tabasco sauce and pepper. ;)
I understand their frustration but complaining about free food when some have none......
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Kev,
Some folks, maybe the majority of them, are really pretty helpless in that they cannot survive without the support of a modern city / society. It is proof positive that "Darwin" has not applied to the majority of humans for quite some time.
We don't know why they didn't leave, hell thre are lots of folks who throw a party when a hurricane is coming. Not everyone is really a rational being in a city. Some are also constrained as they couldn't leave due to health or lack of transportation. An order to evacuate doesn't come with transportation very often.
As far as that woman is concerned, yep I'd imagine she wasn't very hungry yet. Give her a couple more days and I bet she'd be reall happy with an MRE. I bet she'd even be happy with the old C rations lima beans and ham! Ask some of the older vets about that particular treat!
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
On second thought. maybe she tried the brownie.
Tried one once and not sure I could eat that either. Tasted like soap....seriously
omlet with ham is the worst(meal number 4)!!!! I pitty the poor bastard that gets stuck with that MRE...
compressed liquid egg with pieces of ham bits.... ICK!!!
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Originally posted by kevykev56
Ouch, didnt think about that one....the green egg omlet MRE is by far the worst thing I have ever eaten...but then again, i wasnt starving.
LOL... yes ... I'm not alone :)
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Stay away from the porkchop too. Not sure what it was, but tasted like fish. I ate MREs for 2 weeks strait, breakfast, maybe lunch if our instructors let up in the simulated battle, and for dinner. The dinner MREs are by far better. I always liked how they would just repackage things like combos. After a few days we learned some tricks, like how to make pudding and plenty of other good things. The instructors took our heating bag to make bombs out of them. Tastes about the same cold or hot anyway.
Was it K rations that composed of either cheese or spam.
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The worst IMHO was "HAM SLICE" I hated it. It tastes like spam but worse and more preserved.
The worse part is when you spill the juices on your hands they smell like hot dogs the ENTIRE day no matter how much you clean them.
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Originally posted by Nash
Oh man, folks are dying right in your living room, and you're angry with them?
That's some reaction.
I just checked to make sure and there are NO dead people in my living room. I even looked under the couch.
Wait a sec....
Ok just had my daughter check too and she confirms there are NO dead or dying people in my living room.
Trust me. if there were she would let me know as such things she would get highly upset about.
but if there were.
Yes I sure as hell would be mad at them.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
In deffense of MREs they do come with tabasco sauce and pepper. ;)
I understand their frustration but complaining about free food when some have none......
and exactly why we are angry with them
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See Rule #5
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I just checked to make sure and there are NO dead people in my living room. I even looked under the couch.
Wait a sec....
Ok just had my daughter check too and she confirms there are NO dead or dying people in my living room.
Trust me. if there were she would let me know as such things she would get highly upset about.
but if there were.
Yes I sure as hell would be mad at them.
LMAO:rofl
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
and exactly why we are angry with them
Oh that is soooo funny.
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Originally posted by soda72
LOL... yes ... I'm not alone :)
Just mentioned it to my son to confirm. we tried the Beef stew which we all thought was pretty good.
My daughter overhearing our talk about it and not reading this thread at all chimed in "I didnt like the army brownie at all. it was disgusting"
Keep in mind she is 8 and we tried it 3 years ago when she was 5.
Musta left some kind of impression LMAO
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Mmmm beef stew.
Lets talk about it, shall we? That makes sense.
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Originally posted by Nash
Oh that is soooo funny.
think you replied to the wrong post. but yea I thought it was.
Now to the post you did reply to.
Yes when someone who has no food is given free food and is not only ungrateful about it but has the gall to complain.
Yes. those people I get angry with.
Its like throwing someone a life jacket and them complaining it isnt a Yacht
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heh, they probably could have got some airplane food in just as easy as army crap...probably wouldnt be much better though
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Originally posted by kevykev56
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When Opal came to my area, I evacuated, when Ivan came here I evacuated. Its common sense, look at what happend in the past and realize it can happen to you.
Over 40% of the population of New Orleans lives at or below the poverty level. Most of them had no way of leaving and had to try and ride out the storm. Not everyone was as lucky as you since you had a car you could hop in and drive to a safer location.
And refugees? FFS, they're your countrymen.
ack-ack
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airplane food?
what, a bag of peanut trail mix?
hell, i'd probably get the crowd all worked up about the government trying to buy me off with a stale bag of **** and go kick in the door of a 7/11 and loot the slim jims just to get even.
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See Rule #5
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Originally posted by Hangtime
airplane food?
what, a bag of peanut trail mix?
hell, i'd probably get the crowd all worked up about the government trying to buy me off with a stale bag of **** and go kick in the door of a 7/11 and loot the slim jims just to get even.
seems since our airlines can still run to the government for a bailout, we get fed during long distance trips...
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Over 40% of the population of New Orleans lives at or below the poverty level. Most of them had no way of leaving and had to try and ride out the storm. Not everyone was as lucky as you since you had a car you could hop in and drive to a safer location.
And refugees? FFS, they're your countrymen.
ack-ack
40%.. wow, that number seems to be going up at the same rate as the gas prices. Was only 25% when the storm was offshore. From looking at the pictures there's some mighty nice roofs on those hovels.
Far and away the MAJORITY of the folks wandering around looting and doing the drama queen bit could easily have gotten their butts to the superdome before the storm hit . It's all about choices, remember? You see the national guard sending folks BACK into the city when they come wading up and beg for help?
And yes, they're our countrymen. American nanny state born and raised citizens. Stellar representations of what urban american education and civic standards really are.
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Originally posted by Nash
We are witnessing a FIASCO.
Not a fiasco, it's called a disaster.
Bridges down, flooded roadways, trees over roadways and water ways, airports comprimised, material handling machinery needs infrastructure to work; fuel, electrical power, etc. needs to be up for things to run smoothly.
Flooding causes water works to stop function, so no drinking water. Sewage treatment down, so polluted water all around.
It takes awile to get things up and running. No one said surviving a disaster would be convenient.
What they need most is patience and calm. Both are in short supply.
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See Rule #5
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Not a fiasco, it's called a disaster.
Bridges down, flooded roadways, trees over roadways and water ways, airports comprimised, material handling machinery needs infrastructure to work; fuel, electrical power, etc. needs to be up for things to run smoothly.
Flooding causes water works to stop function, so no drinking water. Sewage treatment down, so polluted water all around.
It takes awile to get things up and running. No one said surviving a disaster would be convenient.
What they need most is patience and calm. Both are in short supply.
Thanks for the lesson Holden.
The Hurricane was a "disaster.| The response to it is a FIASCO.
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I'm sure President Nash would have the situation well in hand by this late date.
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Originally posted by Toad
I'm sure President Nash would have the situation well in hand by this late date.
As President of the United States, some things I would touch would turn to ****. But not everything.
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not unlike the monkey we got right now...
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He's gotten some things right?
That's news.
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Originally posted by Nash
Thanks for the lesson Holden.
Too bad it didn't take.
The hurricane was a storm.
What the hurricane did to the gulf coast was a disaster. It FUBARed everything necesary for a smooth operation during the time immediately following the destruction.
When a fireman runs into your house he's doing his best to save you, your family and your stuff.
If as he's doing it he trips over your coffee table because the smoke obscured his vision, he isn't a klutz and what he's doing is not a fiasco.
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Originally posted by Nash
As President of the United States, some things I would touch would turn to ****. But not everything.
Of course.
But you'd have a simple problem like 75 miles of coastline and three cities flattened all fixed by now, right?
You'd have all the power on, the water supply cleaned and restored and have all refugees in 4 star hotels before the last rain had fallen, right?
I mean, after all.... how hard can this be? Just a minor storm with moderate winds..........
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The beef stew ROCKS! Chicken with noodles is tolerable. SOme of the vegetarian crap is tolerable to. Never eat the 4 fingers of death though!
The peanut butter is good for constipation, the cheese is good to stop what comes from eating the peanut butter.
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That was an impressive long------->jump over your last post, but.... okay I'll play.
"The hurricane was a storm." Yeah.
"What the hurricane did to the gulf coast was a disaster." Sure, down with that.
"It FUBARed everything necesary for a smooth operation during the time immediately following the destruction." Okaaaaayy.
"When a fireman runs into your house he's doing his best to save you, your family and your stuff." No - THAT'S WHERE I BEG TO DIFFER! THE FIREMEN ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU! I mean seriously... of course... where is this going?
"If as he's doing it he trips over your coffee table because the smoke obscured his vision, he isn't a klutz and what he's doing is not a fiasco."
Yeah... well yeah...
Uhm... Bring it on home Holden...
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Originally posted by Toad
Of course.
But you'd have a simple problem like 75 miles of coastline and three cities flattened all fixed by now, right?
You'd have all the power on, the water supply cleaned and restored and have all refugees in 4 star hotels before the last rain had fallen, right?
I mean, after all.... how hard can this be? Just a minor storm with moderate winds..........
Well, perhaps I wouldn't have kicked FEMA's support out at the knees. Perhaps I wouldn't have slashed its funding. Maybe I wouldn't have directed it against disaster relief towards Homeland Security. Perhaps I wouldn't have appointed my buddy the real eastate guy as the head of it.
I am telling you. Everything this guy touches turns to ****.
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We all know they should have left. Why they didnt..who knows. Poor decision making Id say. Looks like a lot of them are used tomaking poor choices. Some were stranded, some too old and sick, some too poor, most too lazy. All were uneducated by the looks.
I say that because anyone in their right mind, who was told in the past that their city would flood well above their heads in places, leaving them stranded and left to die of thirst/hunger/exposure, and likely no help for days....would have started walking out of the city 48 hours before it struck.
Im curious...did N.O. ever have any public education on the danger of living in city below sea level, in a hurricane zone? If so..then these people are fully to blame for their plight. If not..and something tells me announcing your city is a death trap isnt good PR, then the city itself must share the burden of the blame.
Seriously..the day before the hurricane, everyone is watching tvs in their "safe" house...one thats always protected them from storms, seeing reports that the hurricane may come, and the next day its like...RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! Even as mean hearted as I can be, I couldnt expect someone to absorb the eminent danger of it all, and escape.
Frankly I hope the overall opinion is that the city did in fact warn folks of the dangers of living there, long before this happened.
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I thought you would get the fairly clear analogy. I guess I was wrong.
The point is Nash, that your being a jerk on this issue. If you think that after four days the relief effort should be a well oiled machine, you are ignorant too. That has not been my experience reading you posts, but apparently something has changed.
It is easy to criticise relief efforts when you are sitting in the comfort of your living room isn't it?
What does your civil engineering and hydrology experience say should be par for stopping up 100 meters of breeched dike?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It is easy to criticise relief efforts...
WHAT RELIEF EFFORTS?!!!!!
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How'd the lady get her MRE to complain about that started the thread?
Your being a jerk Nash, stop it.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
40%.. wow, that number seems to be going up at the same rate as the gas prices. Was only 25% when the storm was offshore. From looking at the pictures there's some mighty nice roofs on those hovels.
Sorry it's 34% and a roof is hardly an indicatory of one's economic level...
And it's easily to sit back in the safety and comfort of our homes and point fingers at those less fortunate then ourselves and blame them for the situation they find themselves in.
ack-ack
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We don't even know how many people have died and people are using this to push their political views...
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
How'd the lady get her MRE to complain about that started the thread?
Your being a jerk Nash, stop it.
Come on, Holden... Some woman gets chucked an MRE and everything is supposed to be golden?
This is a nightmare.
I aint being a jerk. I am being emotional, maybe. But sue me. And why aren't you?
It's an outrage. Very difficult to watch.
The Speaker of the House, Dennis Haagh cough cough is advocating that the whole thing just be tanked. Let it drown, and build it elsewhere.
But you can't build it elsewhere!
Anyone been there? It's an amazing place! We're watching it die blaming Somalia and Nanny states and... It's just so frustrating....
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I have to agree with some of the others, the greens egg and ham omlete is not good. I dont like the beef frankfruters that much either but I"ll eat them.
As far as the bownie goes I find if I eat them and drink the cool-aid with them they aint that bad.
Anybody got an extra full case of MRE's layin around they may wanna sell? I'm runnin low. I'm also looking for the ones that have the old freeze dried peaches. I have put up good fights for those :)
As far as folks not likin them, What ever happened to eating what is on the table? If I'm starvin I aint gonna complain.
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Originally posted by soda72
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We don't even know how many people have died and people are using this to push their political views...
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yup pretty sad.
The only thing I have to criticise is this:
When we invaded afghanistan we saw C-5s loaded with little yellow MREs and packages of water ready to air drop and "win the hearts and minds"
Why arent we seeing the same thing on the news. A C-5 could be loaded with the cargo in an hour and be on location within 2 or 3 hours.
we have the air support and supplies why arent they being dropped to people that are stranded. I sure hope this picks up by tommorrow.
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The zone of destruction is 150 miles wide Nash...
There are more stranded hurricane victims in the rural areas of Mississippi and Louisiana than those in New Orleans, who seem to be getting the lion's share of the attention. They're spread across a six state area....if not further. The main Baptist church in my home town has put up several families from our neighboring states to the south and east.
You've misunderstood the grousing about the behavior of those in New Orleans. The criticism isn't being leveled against those who are helpless and starving....it's directed at the young criminal thugs and gang-bangers, pants down around their knees, that are shooting at the rescuers, medical personnel, and good Samaritans trying to bring aid to those in need.
The disgust is also aimed at those that are perfectly healthy that have been told that they can walk just three miles to get out of the water to an overpass, where it would be easier for aid to reach them, but chose instead to sit on their hands, demanding that aid be brought directly to them.
Don't know how comprehensive the coverage is up there in Canada, there's some pretty disgusting stuff going on down there in the Big Easy. Sure, they've got it tough...but they're not the only ones suffering and in need of aid...rescue agencies, Red Cross, FEMA, and so on are overwhelmed by the magnitude of the disaster.
Many seem to be doing absolutely nothing to ease the task of the rescue workers.
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It's is probably the greatest natural disaster in the history of the United States.
Nash, it's unreasonable to the extreme to expect all the problems to be resolved or even be "under control" at this stage.
Without getting personally abusive, it does call into question your understanding of "disaster".
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Why am I not emotional? Because I'd rather be rational.
They just got the first levee patched, hopefully it will hold. A second levee needs to be repaired, the the city needs to be pumped out. Then permanent repairs can take place.
How long do you estimate the repair of the 2nd levee should take? What is your estimate of the effect of water from Katrina that was dumped in the Ohio valley that takes... how many days before that water gets to the Crescent City, and how much higher is your estimate of the river when it gets there? Will it breach another levee?
Oh, by the way 50,000 people are being bussed to Houston and the rest of the city is being evacuated.
My guess is that four days is less time than it would take under the best of circumstances and disaster relief is by definition not held under the best of circumstances.
Oh, and that is just the relief of NO. Mobile, Biloxi, and a myriad of smaller communities in three state were hit pretty hard. I heard that 2/3 of a police car fleet in one Alabama town was destroyed. Probably the effectiveness of that police force has been comprimised, and the police is one of the key agencies that need to function under this circumstance.
My guess is that a lot of the work that needs to be done is'nt even known yet.
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See Rule #5
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You sir, are in outer space.
You are making incredible leaps of non-logic.
Go ahead and tell us all that N.O. would be faring any differently at all if Kerry had won. Or even if Gore had won two straight.
That is simply a flight of incredible fancy. Buy go ahead and make that statement; it'll clarify your positon for a lot of folks.
It merely highlights that, IMO, you are not the astute observer of the US political landscape that you apparently perceive yourself to be.
Preparation? There is no way to truly prepare for something like this. If there were, they would have built the N.O. levees to withstand more than a Cat 3 hurricane. But years and years ago a risk/reward decision was made to do just that. Looks like the risk was understimated.
Don't believe me though... believe the Corps.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050901corps,1,7189346.story?coll=chi-news-hed)
However, they noted that the levees were designed for a Category 3 hurricane and couldn't handle the ferocious winds and raging waters from Hurricane Katrina, which was a Category 4 storm when it hit the coastline. The decision to build levees for a Category 3 hurricane was made decades ago based on a cost-benefit analysis.
What I voted for? I suppose with Canadian clairvoyance you know exactly what will happen during the term of the PM you vote for.
Tell me, did I vote for Katrina to hit the Gulf Coast?
Preparedness? I seriously doubt you have a clue about what it would take to be prepared for a disaster of this magnitude.
Vancouver is on a major fault line. Have you figured out how to prepare for the day the major quake levels that city?
Out of time with people like me? What is your preparedness plan for that? Are you and a bunch of other like-minded Canadians going to invade and straighten us all out?
I'm very glad you're not one of us. We already have enough folks that merely complain from the cheap seats.
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and to think that somewhere tonight, some guy is buying a minivan.
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releif effort
there is a chitload of us here in houston with food and water waiting for escort into new orleans. i have 5000 gallons of bottled water in my trailer that was donated by sparkletts in california. i am hauling this for nothing. if i see the lady i'll tell her to order out next time
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See Rule #5
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enh?
everything the president touches turns to asterisks ?
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Originally posted by Nash
But nevermind that. We are witnessing a FIASCO. And what do you gotta say about it?
Come on.
Fiasco? what fiasco would that be?
What we are witnessing is a tragedy
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most of the poeple you see on TV complaining about what they got and looting have been taught that society owes them something and know nothing else but to blame somone else for their problems.
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Originally posted by Nash
WHAT RELIEF EFFORTS?!!!!!
Take a look at the relief efforts just outlined here
Hurricane Relief Efforts (http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/hurricane/index.html)
Nash the issue here isnt that many poeple have died. That is a different issue all together. I do have sympathy for those. I have sympathy for the young/sick/old who could not get out.
The original start of this thread is about those who are so inconsiderate for the efforts being done to help. All around the U.S. Government and Civilians alike are rallying together to help those effected. I have a problem with the imatients of "SOME" of those in the big easy who are being crybabys about the conditions.
I just heard a news report where one guy was screaming..."We need transportation! We need help!!, I would drive out of here myslef but MY CAR IS UNDER WATER!" Now does that statment strike you as odd? If today he has the means to drive out, why did he not do it BEFORE the hurricane hit? This guy took a risk. He gambled and lost. Now he is going to cry about it and blame someone else for his own actions.....this is the stuff I have issuse with.
FILTH
Those in N.O. have known for a very long time that they were extremely vulnerable. Everytime a threat of a hurricane heads their way the news is beating it to death. If one ever hits they will be in trouble....well It happend, and they are in trouble. We are all in trouble as a country.
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never mind
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Originally posted by Nash
Well, perhaps I wouldn't have kicked FEMA's support out at the knees. Perhaps I wouldn't have slashed its funding. Maybe I wouldn't have directed it against disaster relief towards Homeland Security. Perhaps I wouldn't have appointed my buddy the real eastate guy as the head of it.
I am telling you. Everything this guy touches turns to ****.
Half a billion dollars were spent over 10 years. and your saying a year and a half of cut funding is the reason the levies broke?
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Originally posted by Nash
WHAT RELIEF EFFORTS?!!!!!
I suppose from way up there in the land of the maple leaf you have a great view to see exactly whats going on down in NO.
I guess you expect with a snap of the fingers or all the president has to do is lift the phone and all sorts of manpower material and vehicles & supplies should just magically appear and be able to help thousands if not tens of thousands of people spread out over hundreds if not thousands of square miles all at the same time.
Wow you must think the pres has or should have some awsome magical powers.
Tsnami releif didnt happen this quick and that was over a much smaller area
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Dred - gonna be an intersting coupla months.
Trust me - you'll either be covering your ears screaming "neener neener" or blaming it on gays. There's no other excuse.
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More on relief efforts...Just for you Nash
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Our efforts are now focused on three priorities: Our first priority is to save lives. We're assisting local officials in New Orleans in evacuating any remaining citizens from the affected area. I want to thank the state of Texas, and particularly Harris County and the city of Houston and officials with the Houston Astrodome, for providing shelter to those citizens who found refuge in the Super Dome in Louisiana. Buses are on the way to take those people from New Orleans to Houston.
Our second priority is to sustain lives by ensuring adequate food, water, shelter and medical supplies for survivors and dedicated citizens -- dislocated citizens. FEMA is moving supplies and equipment into the hardest hit areas. The Department of Transportation has provided more than 400 trucks to move 1,000 truckloads containing 5.4 million Meals Ready to Eat -- or MREs, 13.4 million liters of water, 10,400 tarps, 3.4 million pounds of ice, 144 generators, 20 containers of pre-positioned disaster supplies, 135,000 blankets and 11,000 cots. And we're just starting.
Our third priority is executing a comprehensive recovery effort. We're focusing on restoring power and lines of communication that have been knocked out during the storm. We'll be repairing major roads and bridges and other essential means of transportation as quickly as possible.
Linky (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050831-3.html)
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My guess you are either Really in Outer Space...But I dont think so. You seem like a smart guy.
Or my second guess...You are so angry at Bush you cannot comprehend anything he does as good.
I actually would be amazed if you really even read the above posted statments that Bush made. If you did read them you would have recognized them from his speech that he made today. But you never saw or cared to listen to that speach because of your anger.
Lighten up and understand that he like all presidents before him try to do what is best for their country.
Relief efforts are on the way and will be done in as swift a way possible.....We just need some patients from the ones who are hardest effected. The media will play up all the negative press they can. Its what gets them ratings.
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Wake up call here...
They, the Govt, knew a hell of a Hurricane was coming for days. Even plotted where it was pattern to strike. Knew that NO was as is below sea level. Knew that it was going to hit .
Three days before the Hurricane arrived the Govt should have had provisions in place. Common sense. Should have had the National Guard there first, Military Kitchen Units in the AstroDome, Medical Assistance on site. Frikkin Organization!
Yeah they say help is on the way, this help is 4 days too late.
and now they are trying to put a bandaid on an artery cut.
Armed looters... send in a few Rangers and Seal teams.. That would stop the lootin thing fast.
Mac
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yup pretty sad.
The only thing I have to criticise is this:
When we invaded afghanistan we saw C-5s loaded with little yellow MREs and packages of water ready to air drop and "win the hearts and minds"
Why arent we seeing the same thing on the news. A C-5 could be loaded with the cargo in an hour and be on location within 2 or 3 hours.
we have the air support and supplies why arent they being dropped to people that are stranded. I sure hope this picks up by tommorrow.
and drop it where? In the water? and there are people scattered all over the place
Id agree but I think the pandamonium of such a drop. even if they had a place dry enough to drop it might create more problems and deaths then it solves or saves. Particularly with armed gunmen running around shooting at whatever they think might be a fun target at the time.
Its going to take some time to get some kind of cohesion. I admit planning for this sort of contingancy has obviously been pretty poor but I wouldnt at all lay blame on any one administration or its policies.
They've known this could happen for a very long long time.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
and drop it where? In the water? and there are people scattered all over the place
Id agree but I think the pandamonium of such a drop. even if they had a place dry enough to drop it might create more problems and deaths then it solves or saves. Particularly with armed gunmen running around shooting at whatever they think might be a fun target at the time.
Its going to take some time to get some kind of cohesion. I admit planning for this sort of contingancy has obviously been pretty poor but I wouldnt at all lay blame on any one administration or its policies.
They've known this could happen for a very long long time.
yea you are correct. Even at the superdome such a drop would cause a full scale riot.
this quote kinda got to me:
Nagin has called for a total evacuation, saying that New Orleans will not be functional for two or three months and that people would not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two. Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained, and said that 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be evacuated in ensuing convoys
it's a simple matter of logistics. There's only so many people you can move at one time even with all the busses in the world. It's like shoving a swimming pool through a garden hose.
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Rhino...I was just giving them a tiny window to squeek through. In my book...they are idiots to have stayed. I bet if asked before this happened, what they would do if their city was wrecked, what would they do to survive...few would think it through enough. "Id drive over to the next county and get my food".."Id order Dominos." They just arent that bright. Not just them, but alot of people. Urban crowds stand out because there are more dummies grouped in one place. But they dont have a monopoly on stupidity, theres small towns full of em too.
To steal a line from "Duel"...loosely,
You go about your lives doing the same things every day, and then all of a sudden, all those ropes that kept you hanging in there, are cut away. And there you are...back in the jungle.
Food comes from farms not supermarkets.
All water is not created equal.
When given the choice, pick the can of friut, not the toaster oven.
When told to evacuate..do it.
Some people chose to stay saying "If I leave the looters will take everything I own." Thats the problem. They valued property over their lives. Well somehow they survived the storm, but now want action done asap to save them from the after effects.
I just feel bad for the kids who are suffering and dying because they have such stupid parents.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yea you are correct. Even at the superdome such a drop would cause a full scale riot.
Remember when we dropped MRE's in Afganistan that we were criticised because the locals were running after them before they hit the ground and several ended up getting killed from the falling food.
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Originally posted by Nash
Dred - gonna be an intersting coupla months.
Trust me - you'll either be covering your ears screaming "neener neener" or blaming it on gays. There's no other excuse.
Half billion dollars spent over 10 years.
2002 was when funding was cut.
You dont REALLY think that year and half..ooops my bad, 2 1/2 years made all the difference do you.
Im starting to agree with toad.. outer space. or spaced out.
One or the other LOL
There may be blame. but Im sure when all is said and done there will be plenty of blame to go around for everyone. Including both political parties, a couple presidents,local contractors and polititions. course the Dems will ignore their sahare and focus on the Reps and the reps will do the same with the dems.
Thats the way it always works
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Originally posted by AWMac
Wake up call here...
They, the Govt, knew a hell of a Hurricane was coming for days. Even plotted where it was pattern to strike. Knew that NO was as is below sea level. Knew that it was going to hit .
Mac
Sorry Mac....3 days before Katrina hit it was projected for the Florida Panhandle. The storm track line was on my roof. Living with these things you know that they are unpredictable. It wasnt until about 24hours before landfall that with any certainty anyone knew where it was going to hit. The projected path put it at 24 hours out somewhere between Mobile and New Orleans. It actually came in around Gulfport MS, N.O. was still in its area of destruction.
Preparations for the delivery of aid was underway well before the storm made landfall. Geez tho, it has been 4 days. This is a massive scale and not something that is going to happen overnight.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
There may be blame.
Indeed.
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I think some of you need to ask yourselves why it is your so angry (and you are), at a bunch of poor people that got nailed by a cat 5 Hurricane. Thats what I think. :(
Their homes and some of their family gets washed away, they are left 3 days with no food or water, and they have the nerve to have manners on occasion that aren't Emily Post? The nerve of some people. "I sat in my air conditioned home while watching it all on CNN and had an MRE with my daughter, gee whats the big deal, why all the whining, I washed it down with a corona and a slice of lemon, it was just fine"
Cripes, and look at all the posters from the USA. Whats wrong with you? "Look at them, yuk yuk, they so dumb, they didnt evacuate". You should be ashamed of yourselves, honestly.
For those without a dictionary:
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/empathy
I will conclude by saying that blaming the W.H. for the Hurricane damage is beyond silly, whatever party the Prez happens to be from. Nobody could have predicted, or prevented the Hurricane flooding New Orleans specifically, or upgrade the levies on 24-48 hours notice. Disasters happen, and despite all the simple minded conspiracy theorists out there (a misnomer, there is no other kind) < thats just life, accept it.
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Originally posted by Squire
I think some of you need to ask yourselves why it is your so angry (and you are), at a bunch of poor people that got nailed by a cat 5 Hurricane. Thats what I think. :(
Their homes and some of their family gets washed away, they are left 3 days with no food or water, and they have the nerve to have manners on occasion that aren't Emily Post? The nerve of some people. "I sat in my air conditioned home while watching it all on CNN and had an MRE with my daughter, gee whats the big deal, why all the whining, I washed it down with a corona and a slice of lemon, it was just fine"
Cripes, and look at all the posters from the USA. Whats wrong with you? "Look at them, yuk yuk, they so dumb, they didnt evacuate". You should be ashamed of yourselves, honestly.
For those without a dictionary:
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/empathy
I will conclude by saying that blaming the W.H. for the Hurricane damage is beyond silly, whatever party the Prez happens to be from. Nobody could have predicted, or prevented the Hurricane flooding New Orleans specifically, or upgrade the levies on 24-48 hours notice. Disasters happen, and despite all the simple minded conspiracy theorists out there (a misnomer, there is no other kind) < thats just life, accept it.
what's wrong with is that somone from canada are asking "what's wrong with you" when degenerates are shooting at rescue helicopters trying to rescue people.
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Nice dodge. But thats not what the thread is about. Try again.
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Originally posted by Nash
As President of the United States, some things I would touch would turn to ****. But not everything.
It really hasn't been a good 5 years has it.
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Allow me to give you guys a tip.
If you post when you are angry, you are going to do nothing but piss people off or make a fool of yourself. Nothing positive ever came from making a post when you are angry.