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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saurdaukar on September 02, 2005, 03:12:23 PM
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All info points to this as credible. Was posted on one of the car forums Im on.
Enjoy.
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Drove into HELL (New Orleans) last night... Sensitive types stay out
Thought maybe some might enjoy my adventure..
First off I wanted to post what REALLY is going on in this city. Please don't get this thread locked people. The news stations are only showing a minuscule of reality. This post may offend some people but I will post what I saw, like it or not it is REALITY.
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Well last night I was watching the 6pm news when they announced the 17th street canal pumps failed as well as another break in the levee. My house is right off St. Charles Ave. and up to 6pm yesterday is was the only part of the city that was dry. Since the pumps failed and the new break St. Charles Ave. would be under 9ft of water in the next 12-15hrs. My brother and I felt if we wanted to save anything we had to leave NOW. We loaded up flashlights, rope, our medical ID's, both our .45 Glocks, 2 shotguns and rode out. En-route we listened to the radio which broad casted all the news about the looters and what not, in hindsight it was a mistake. My mother didn't want us to go by dad who is a Vietnam vet told to be safe and "shoot to kill" if it ever comes to that.
One the way we had to pass 5-6 checkpoints to allow entry into the city. We stated we were medical personnel who were activated, showed our ID and off we went. On the radio reports were coming in about the officer who was shot in the head, the 2 gunman who opened fired on the NOPD station, and how looters were carjacking cars to get out of the city. This started making my brother nervous and giving seconds thoughts.
Anyway we get to the city and it looks like a freaking war zone. The best visual I can give is the movie "Blackhawk Down" when all the Somalians are rushing the city. They are people EVERYWHERE, they are pissed off, and all have weapons, 2X4's, Axes, and guns. If this wasn't bad enough we are 2 white boys in a truck in a sea several hundred armed pissed off blacks. There wasn't a white person to be found. I couldn't get over the little 8-10yr old kids with weapons, I ever saw one carry a claw hammer!
These people were absolutely nuts rammed trucks(stolen I'm sure) in to jewelry stores stealing items, they were tearing apart Wal-Mart carrying out TV's, Playstations, DVD players, etc. One lady was wheeling out an entire rack of merchandise, not sure what it was but sure wasn't clothes for food. They were all laughing and carrying on like it's freaking Christmas.
We got stuck in traffic when we see the group of guys walking down the street w/ AK-47's, at that point the "pucker factor" kicked in, a couple Glocks and shotguns were no match for that. We haul *** trying to get to Uptown when we see these people chopping down the front door w/ an axe of this $4-5 million dollar mansion on ST. Charles Ave. I was just in total awe because it was so surreal. Making matters worse it's 11pm at night there is no electricity and you really can see anything or anyone until they are right up on you.
Our plan was to be in and out in 30min, this included putting his Harley on the trailer. It would have taken me 5-10min tops to get my stuff, all I wanted was my pictures from college, my clothes/shoes, and my computer tower. Well he got scared saying we are going to get jumped while putting the bike on the trailer. Keep in mind this is the only area in the city that is dry. So just like rats who move to higher ground these people were doing the same. Word must have gotten out that Uptown was dry so there started to be a large influx of people.
Needless to say he wanted to go home rather than take our chances. While it was the smart thing to do I was beyond infuriated w/ him because we made it this far. He just kept saying our lives aren't worth it. So we turned around, our next challenge was getting out of the city while not getting jacked. Reports came out that people were jumping in the back of truck holding the drivers at gunpoint. Traffic started to slow so I just nailed it got out as fast as I could.
Even though he was the voice of reason I'm still pissed. All I have is my life and the clothes on my back. I lost my house(which is now 9ft underwater) ALL my clothes, TV, computer, furniture, and photo albums and videos from childhood and college. What makes this worse is my brother owned the house and I was a tenant and I didn't have renters insurance, hindsight is 20/20.
I also hope everyone of the ****ing looters get Tetanus, E-Coli and F*(KING drown. I'm serious I really hope the all die for what they were doing to the city, killing people, and destroying homes. Never in my life have I ever seen people act live savages, it was truly sicking.
Here is the *update* thread I posted today...
Well I attempted fate again and went back to the city. Didn't want to start a flame fest so I figured I'd post afterward. Most of you will not/do not understand WHY I went back but I think some will. This time we went in broad daylight and initially there was to be five but ended up three. We were armed w/ two pistols each(plus 2 back up) and each having 12-gague shot guns (Police/Military spec Remington 870). Once again we were force through 5 checkpoints had to show ID. At the last checkpoint the State Trooper asked "Are you carrying" to which we said yes and he then replied "Good, you may have to use them."
Overall the Westbank of the city is pretty dry, surprisingly. We exited at Tchoupitoulas and it is right near the Superdome w/people everywhere. The road was clear and we didn't stop. First we went to my buddy's house on Magazine which was dry as a bone, no water what so ever. My bro and I set up a perimeter while Lance went inside to get his stuff. Heilo's were everywhere, Coast Guard, local oil company, Huey's and even Blackhawks. I'm outside and these two people pass pushing a shopping car and the women is staring at the gun. She said "Damn dat's a big 'ole gun, I just smiled and shook my head "yes". A truck full of National Guards pass by and when they saw us they cheered "Who Hoo" I'm assuming b/c the guns. What was frightening was they they didn't have any guns! We finished there and went on to my house. I was pretty pumped because Lance's house was dry and only a couple blocks down from mmine on the other side of St. Charles. Well my joy shortly faided when every street was covered with water and 200yr old oak branches. We turn the corner and see one of the famous historic New Orleans homes, I mean MANSION to be inhabited by a family who OBVIOUSLY did not live there. I mean this is easily a $5-6 million dollar home and these people are sitting on the porch, kids playing football in the yard, clothes strung out on the lawn. I just couldn't believe it.
The closest I could get to the house without submerging the truck was 5 blocks,great. Water was up to my waist and I'm 5'10. At one point we had o "tightrope walk" across a cemetery wall because the water was so deep it was easily over our heads. As we are walking we are passing families sitting on the porch just watching us, I felt sorry for them. We finally make it to the house and there is about 4ft of water in front which is good because the house is 6ft off the ground. I was happy the house was dry and not looted. We check the house and it's safe and we grab the bare essential, clothes, pictures, documents. I had to leave my new TV, computer, stereo, etc. Well I had about 50lbs in each hand which I soon learned was too much. I'm not weak by any means but carrying 80-100lbs that many blocksabove water was WORK!. Sadly we couldn't get the Harley, but for now it is safe and dry. We gave the family on the porch a couple gallons of water from the truck on the way back.
Next we go to Lance's GF's house and while I'm outside making sure everything is cool a neighbor walks up w/ a sidearm and asked if the Military has arrived yet. I tell him about the troops that rode by earlier and he stated he's shot at several people trying to loot neighbor's houses and cars. He was out of 12 gauge buckshot so I gave him a box.
So we are loaded up and heading toward the bridge when we pass the Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas and see two soldiers guarding the store. We pull up to talk to him and I guess he saw the shotguns and he IMMEDIATELY drew his weapon. I'm still now certain what type of fully automatic rifle it was (no M16 or anything like that). Anyway we all put our hands up and ask him if it was safe to exit up ahead and if he needed anything like water, ammo, etc. He said "I'll take all the ammo you can spare". I asked if they are low already and he stated that in anticipation of the storm they sent all the weapons and ammo to Jackson,Ms and it flooded before they could get to them. So THAT is why none of the Guardsmen are carrying. We gave him all the ammo we had minus what was in our clips. So they ended up w/ around 5-6 boxes of buckshot and 150-200 rounds of hollow point .45
He then said 'Be careful up ahead they are rioting at the Superdome. Whatever you do DO NOT STOP. We leave and take the on ramp and infront of us is 200-300 people blocking the on ramp trying to get out of the city. We put out guns to the windows(they have been carjacking every car leaving the city) held the horn and never dropped below 15mph. People were moving away then rushing the truck but after seeing the guns they backed off. I really felt bad for some of those people because they looked tired and have a looong walk ahead of them but we weren't taking any chances
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Sounds like something Stephen freakin King wrote.
What a nightmare.:eek:
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wow
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yeah scary ****... if it is true, the last part has me wondering, why give a gaurdsmen shotgun shells and .45 rounds?
The US Military uses 9MM sidearms, and he said he had some kinda full auto weapon ( how would he know without a close look)
I don't think the Military or gaurd units use full auto shotguns.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
yeah scary ****... if it is true, the last part has me wondering, why give a gaurdsmen shotgun shells and .45 rounds?
The US Military uses 9MM sidearms, and he said he had some kinda full auto weapon ( how would he know without a close look)
I don't think the Military or gaurd units use full auto shotguns.
Some Guard units may still be using old 1911A1 sidearms. I'd take an old 1911A1 over the M9 any day. Remington and Winchester shotguns are in many Guard armories for riot control.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
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Freakin Animals...Should just wall off that part of Louisiana and write it off.
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Incredible. Thanks Saur. I shared that with the bimmer forums, hope you don't mind. (Was that Corvette forums? PM me please)
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Originally posted by Widewing
Some Guard units may still be using old 1911A1 sidearms. I'd take an old 1911A1 over the M9 any day. Remington and Winchester shotguns are in many Guard armories for riot control.
My regards,
Widewing
yup what widewing said. The part about the ammo bing in mississippi explains why I havn't seen anyone armed on TV untill today.
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I disagree ASTAC. It's unfortunate the situation turned out the way it has, but I think sealing off a city hardly hits the mark. I'm having a tough time comprehending the situation myself. A major. frickin. city. is. gone.
Survival would be the optimistic answer. Can you blame them (some, not all) for behaving the way your average urbanite knows best?
Of course they could also just be bellybutton hats - the armed gangs, carjacking, stuff counter productive to the population as a whole... able to survive, and out there to 'get some' while they can.
How many are sincerely attempting to survive (water, food, etc)? without taking the opportunity to loot or **** with property not belonging to them? How many aren't?
There's a lot of grey out there. It lies somewhere between the two extremes.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Some Guard units may still be using old 1911A1 sidearms. I'd take an old 1911A1 over the M9 any day. Remington and Winchester shotguns are in many Guard armories for riot control.
My regards,
Widewing
Cool thanks...
I would take a crappy old rattletrap 1911 over a M9 too lol.
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Chilling account of the situation down there. Certainly gives an idea of what other metropolitan areas could be like after a major terrorist act or similar natural disaster. I'm feeling motivated to create an emergency kit for home and the car as well as updating my small two-weapon armory with items appropriate for urban defense.
Airboss
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
All info points to this as credible.
We got stuck in traffic when we see the group of guys walking down the street w/ AK-47's, at that point the "pucker factor" kicked in, a couple Glocks and shotguns were no match for that. We haul *** trying to get to Uptown when we see these people chopping down the front door w/ an axe of this $4-5 million dollar mansion on ST. Charles Ave. I was just in total awe because it was so surreal. Making matters worse it's 11pm at night there is no electricity and you really can see anything or anyone until they are right up on you.
My stink detector is going off.
How can he observe all of these things, including people chopping down the door of a $4M dollar house (which I presume doesn't have a front door that sits right on the street) if it's so dark you can't see anyone until they are right on you?
Embelishment or pure fiction? Probably more the latter.
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Originally posted by CMC Airboss
Chilling account of the situation down there. Certainly gives an idea of what other metropolitan areas could be like after a major terrorist act or similar natural disaster. I'm feeling motivated to create an emergency kit for home and the car as well as updating my small two-weapon armory with items appropriate for urban defense.
Airboss
Considering you live in an earth quake and volcanic prone region, I'm surprised you haven't been there sooner! ;) I was being called a nutty survivalist on this bbs some 4 years ago due to my 30 days food/water/fuel supplies at home...:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by CMC Airboss
I'm feeling motivated to create an emergency kit for home and the car as well as updating my small two-weapon armory with items appropriate for urban defense.
Airboss
I have a pretty rounded collection of weapons for various aspects of home defense.
My favorites are a Mossberg 590 pump 12 ga. and a Rossi made Winchester model 1892 carbine, chambered in .357 magnum, with 16 inch barrel. Its super-slick and very fast action, along with its 5.5 pound loaded weight make it perfect for close or medium range work.
The really serious hardware is available if need be....
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Samiam
Embelishment or pure fiction? Probably more the latter.
Agreed.
Heres one local story, only oddity I find is the phone thing:
Kiwi teen stranded in 'hell'
03 September 2005
By CHALPAT SONTI
A Levin teenager caught in the havoc of New Orleans has been sheltering in a shopping mall, relying on potato chips for food and plastic bags for toilets.
She is surrounded by the constant sound of gunfire and panic, and the stench of death.
Zoe Hadlum, 18, was expecting the experience of a lifetime. She is instead at the centre of a living hell after Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans and everything in its path.
The devastation has also left an Auckland family desperately seeking news of their daughter. Marianne Lynch, 22, has not been heard from since shortly after the hurricane struck. She had said she was planning to stay in the city.
Miss Hadlum, who was unable to get out of New Orleans, said the danger was constant. Armed looters prowled outside the mall, some venturing inside. So far, they had not detected the group of about 20 tourists huddling on the third floor.
Elderly and sick people being looked after at a convention centre next door were no better off. "(They're) just dying off. They don't have anywhere else to put them. (Dead) people are being put in dumpsters . . . it's really, really bad," she said on National Radio yesterday.
The danger was increasing as people lost patience. "There are riots everywhere, heaps of shotguns at night. It's just crazy."
AdvertisementAdvertisementMis s Hadlum's father, Malcolm Hadlum, said his daughter had finally contacted him on Thursday after finding a phone buried under some boxes. She had been living for the past four days on chips found in a supermarket in the mall. She is three months into her OE and had spent time at Camp America, as had Miss Lynch.
Miss Hadlum was among a group of 20 British, Australian and United States tourists who were unable to leave New Orleans before the hurricane struck.
"All the bus drivers and taxi drivers had their own families to look after. They tried to get into the Superdome, but the queues were too long."
The group stayed briefly in a hotel before it was partly destroyed by the hurricane and they eventually ended up in the shopping mall.
Since the order to evacuate those remaining in New Orleans to Houston, Texas, Miss Hadlum and the others were "just waiting to get out".
She was in pretty good spirits despite her ordeal. The National Guard had stepped up patrols around the mall once they knew foreigners were inside.
Armed looters have been shooting at guardsmen, rescue workers, helicopters and police. Guardsmen have been ordered to shoot to kill to restore order.
Miss Lynch's stepmother, Liz Reid, said the family had thought that if she survived the initial storm she would be safe, but no one realised things would get so much worse. They were increasingly concerned for her safety.
Foreign Affairs and Trade Ministry spokeswoman Emma Reilly said there were no concerns at present for any New Zealanders in New Orleans, though people should tell the ministry if they could not contact family members.
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Anyone familiar with Thomas Hobbes and Leviathan (circa 1651)? He says man's natural state is war and without an absolute strong leader man's beatial tendencies would come out. Without a leader life would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."
As well Benjamin Franklin said "There are two passions which have a powerful influence on the affairs of men: the love of power and the love of money."
We discussed this whole matter today and the question was posed as to whether we would see if Hobbes was correct, it appears as though he was. We also discussed how there was a very large portion, if not the largest portion, of government housing in America in New Orleans. These people are poor they had nothing to lose and still don't, this is their ticket to ride the gravy train for the time being.
Story sounds somewhat embellished though, as was already stated. Guardsmen without weapons? They can't get weapons to military personnel?
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One observation:
We have the proud distinction of having the worlds best thugs along with Liberal laws that only empower them. IMO this type of anarchy would occur in any big city USA following a similiar disaster.
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Originally posted by Widewing
I have a pretty rounded collection of weapons for various aspects of home defense.
My favorites are a Mossberg 590 pump 12 ga. and a Rossi made Winchester model 1892 carbine, chambered in .357 magnum, with 16 inch barrel. Its super-slick and very fast action, along with its 5.5 pound loaded weight make it perfect for close or medium range work.
The really serious hardware is available if need be....
My regards,
Widewing
U got a Minigun I can roll around town with?
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Originally posted by Samiam
My stink detector is going off.
How can he observe all of these things, including people chopping down the door of a $4M dollar house (which I presume doesn't have a front door that sits right on the street) if it's so dark you can't see anyone until they are right on you?
Embelishment or pure fiction? Probably more the latter.
I dont know for sure, obviously. The guy that posted it is pretty well known and lives down there, AFAIK.
The second time they went out, it was in the middle of the day according to the story.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Anyone familiar with Thomas Hobbes and Leviathan (circa 1651)? He says man's natural state is war and without an absolute strong leader man's beatial tendencies would come out. Without a leader life would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."
As well Benjamin Franklin said "There are two passions which have a powerful influence on the affairs of men: the love of power and the love of money."
We discussed this whole matter today and the question was posed as to whether we would see if Hobbes was correct, it appears as though he was. We also discussed how there was a very large portion, if not the largest portion, of government housing in America in New Orleans. These people are poor they had nothing to lose and still don't, this is their ticket to ride the gravy train for the time being.
Story sounds somewhat embellished though, as was already stated. Guardsmen without weapons? They can't get weapons to military personnel?
the guard is notorious for sending troops into situations like this without ammo or proper weapons. I've been threatend by guard guys before carrying M-60s and I just lauged at them because they didn't have a single belt of ammo.
ALl the news footage I've seen up untill today showed the guard with weapons but no magazines for said weapons....meaning no ammo.
EDIT: I personally have nothing against the guard and they are certainly earning their meager pay today. Today they seem to have there "Stuff" together.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I just lauged at them because they didn't have a single belt of ammo.
That's kind of amusing in light of the fact that I recently purchased 800 rounds (four cans of 200) of 7.62 NATO ammo on disintegrating link belts from a local dealer. $24.95 per can, 1998 MIL-SPEC production manufactured in Singapore. Tracer rounds were removed.....
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
That's kind of amusing in light of the fact that I recently purchased 800 rounds (four cans of 200) of 7.62 NATO ammo on disintegrating link belts from a local dealer. $24.95 per can, 1998 MIL-SPEC production manufactured in Singapore. Tracer rounds were removed.....
My regards,
Widewing
unless they are going to war the Guard get's hand-me-downs from the regular army. Only the Marines have better equipment then them and they are well known for doing more with less.
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So are we looking at their families sending them ammunition and body armour like they did in Iraq? This stuff is seriously out of control. Another point we (my class) made was that if these businesses are getting ransacked, why should they think about putting a business in that area again? Besides the fact that those people have guns and are running around with reckless regard for life (as do the resistence fighters in Iraq, yes I compared U.S. citizens to Iraqi resistance), I wouldn't want to start thinking about putting a business back up, especially a gun store. Bulldoze New Orleans and make it into a port, a city under sea level and look what you have. Bulldoze, dredge, rebuild into port.
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Originally posted by nirvana
So are we looking at their families sending them ammunition and body armour like they did in Iraq? This stuff is seriously out of control. Another point we (my class) made was that if these businesses are getting ransacked, why should they think about putting a business in that area again? Besides the fact that those people have guns and are running around with reckless regard for life (as do the resistence fighters in Iraq, yes I compared U.S. citizens to Iraqi resistance), I wouldn't want to start thinking about putting a business back up, especially a gun store. Bulldoze New Orleans and make it into a port, a city under sea level and look what you have. Bulldoze, dredge, rebuild into port.
I have never heard of a report of somone sending somone in Iraq ammunition. It is in fact illegal. Armor is another thing.
This isn't an Iraq thing so dont try to compare it. I don't think this would have played out any different 3-5 years ago
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It's illegal right, had crossed my mind but anyways. Without getting any deeper, I agree with you. Same thing 3-5 years ago, human nature.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
One observation:
We have the proud distinction of having the worlds best thugs along with Liberal laws that only empower them. IMO this type of anarchy would occur in any big city USA following a similiar disaster.
So... how do you account for Baghdad? It's not what I would call a liberal center.