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Question is: Will he mention 'Popular vote' and 'Legal issues' in his concession speech? Or will he bow out gracefully and be noble about it?
I've always given my fellow man the benefit of the doubt, I say he bows out like a true statesman without verbal bitterness strewed between sentences.
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I was wondering this too.
Not really much point in discussing it though.. no matter what we say we'll be wrong (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I do believe he has the chance to maintain some sence of dignity tonight. I'll be watching to see what he does.
AKDejaVu
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I think he will try to explain why he drug this out so long and thank the Public for being patient but in the end he WILL concede.
I think he will try very hard to bow out gracefully but I would be surprised if he didn't mention in some way that he thinks he still won.
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I can almost guarantee he will mention something about "Not counting all the votes."
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 12-13-2000).]
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Originally posted by LJK Raubvogel:
I can almost guarantee he will mention something about "Not counting all the votes."
And he would be right, about 3 million votes with the same problems as Florida all over the country.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
And he would be right, about 3 million votes with the same problems as Florida all over the country.
Ahh yes, but he wasn't really worried about those other votes was he? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 12-13-2000).]
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*If* I was Mr. Gore
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*If* I really believed the spin of my side over the last 5 weeks (especially the "every vote must count" mantra).........
I'd be bitter and everyone would know it.
"Every vote must count" was shot down by the judicial system. If it was me, I'd be all over them in my speech tonight.
Fury
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Originally posted by Fury:
If it was me, I'd be all over them in my speech tonight.
Fury
Thus, ensuring a predominent Repulican vote in the year 2002 and again in 2004...if you did.
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) That's why I'm not a politician, I could never make it (or take it). I can only suck so much *** without gagging. It's bad enough to have to do it in my job (when it happens), but for something as big as tonight?
Fury
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ALGORE, being a full fledged liberal, you will not see a concession speech. You will see bitterness and mean spiritedness in all that he says. Sure, he will mention "uniting the country", but the tone of his speech will be that republicans have no right to rule!!! Only Dems have the right to rule!! This will be the final act of a person who really believes in the "divine right to rule"!! This speech will be very telling about the liberal Dems and what they really believe.
I highly suggest that you not eat too much before listening as you will be throwing up said food or beverage!!
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LOL 1776, true story here: Every time Clinton would come on TV, I would start whining to my wife to "Shut that TV off, or change the channel, this guy disgusts me.." Well, after about 2 or 3 months of that, my 2 year old began some interesting behavior. Everytime that Clinton was on tv, speech, news broadcast with video's of Clinton, whatever, he would walk up to the TV and hitting the OFF button. Good little Republican!
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gore will mention:
1. he won the popular vote
2. that all votes were not counted
3. half bellybutton mention something about coming together behind Bush, even though he, gore, won the popular vote & reiterate the fact he feels all the votes were not counted - again (popular vote theme will be mentioned more than a couple of times)
It'll be a bunch of crap and will interrupt something a hell of a lot more interesting - the next episode of "The $treet".
Eagler
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The guys a freaking vampire. They will have to drive a stake through his heart to get rid of him.
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All I can say is ... Don't expect a concession speech in the traditional sense. Expect an explanation of Gore's situation from his view sprinkled with carefully scripted talking point/sound bites to try to cast doubt on any new administration. Watch for the many oft-repeated phrases he's used over the last month. I also don't see Gore giving Bush a hearty congratulations for a hard fought campaign. It will be difficult for him to hide his bitterness or even show disapointment without looking like a sore loser. I will be extremely disapointed if he says that this is not over and decries a settlement in the courts, which is what he was seeking near the end.
He'd really impress me, however, if he vowed in the next four years to use his time to help standardize the way Americans vote: No county to county and disctrict to district variations within each state; Improvements to the absentee voting process; Better impartial machine-based recount procedures; The importance of adhering to and respecting the constitutions of both the individual states and the country. He'll blow me away if he says "Jesse, what is your actual job?" and "We will work hard to remove the word chad from our vocabulary" <G> I don't expect him to use his time for any of the items above, but it sure would be nice.
Come back swinging in four years Al and give it your best go, but do your best to support (or at least not hinder) a new administration in the mean time.
MiG
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Al Gore is missing geniune qualities. Soo I have learned to treat him with the same discourse as I give Slick willy. I Know he's lieing becuase his mouth is moving (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
However... I dont think he has any grace that is genuine, any he shows tonite You can be rest assured is forced and he is ggritting his teeth underneath (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I will enjoy it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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So, in other words, no matter what he says, he'll be wrong, or disingenuous, and you'll have an excuse to keep kicking this dead horse?
Some of you guys are pathetic.
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Nice post MiG Eater<S>!
AKDejaVu
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While I don't care to flog the horse with the others, you might check a sample of what I have read from the media today:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/501779.asp (http://www.msnbc.com/news/501779.asp)
The problem I have with this is all the noise being made before the SCOTUS decision, how the left would respect the court decision, how no one would impugn SCOTUS. Of course this began almost immediately with personal attacks on Scalia and Thomas, how they should recuse themselves as they couldn't be impartial, how they were politically tied to the Bush cause... I heard several Dem senators and representatives say things like "I don't want to impugn the justices, but I have heard people say they were complete political hacks." This is a sidestepping way to land the same blow they decried when done by the Reps.
I don't know what Gore will do, and don't much care (unless he should do something crazy like renig). The trouble is already there, and likely will be for some time. It is too late for words between the Reps and Dems, it is time for action to back up the words.
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Well...it was neither bitter nor noble.....the only word that comes to mind is phony. I was pleasantly surprised that he only managed to stick two jabs at the other side and the USSC into his speech.
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 12-13-2000).]
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Question is: Will he mention 'Popular vote' and 'Legal issues' in his concession speech? Or will he bow out gracefully and be noble about it?
I've always given my fellow man the benefit of the doubt, I say he bows out like a true statesman without verbal bitterness strewed between sentences.
Just saw the concession speech, and he did bow out like a true statesman.
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He did get a couple of good jabs in at the US Supreme Court, managed to express concern for those unable to defend themselves and congradulated Bush on "receiving the Presidency" (not being elected).
Sublety to the extreme. He'll be back in 2004.
AKDejaVu
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Most of y'all were dead wrong (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) It was a perfect speech.
And Rip, you've "always given [your] fellow man the benefit of the doubt"? Unless that person's name is Gore, no? I find it odd you would say something like that.
Anyways, let the Bush bashing begin and Gore in Four!
hehe
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
He did get a couple of good jabs in at the US Supreme Court, managed to express concern for those unable to defend themselves and congradulated Bush on "receiving the Presidency" (not being elected).
AKDejaVu
Did we watch the same speech? I've read the transcript twice now and see one reference to "disappointment" at the Supreme Court's decision. There is also NO reference to Bush "receiving" the presidency, though Gore did mention that, "Bush inherits a nation whose citizens will be ready to assist him in the conduct of his large responsibilities."
I don't know how you could possibly read that line as a jab at Bush's electoral legitimacy.
Check out the transcript here (http://www.msnbc.com/news/503093.asp).
-- Todd/DMF
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He gave a speech worthy of The Vice President of the United States.
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I caught the speech-
The jab, and it was only slight, was the comment on how he disagreed strongly with the Supreme Court. He also mentioned he was sorry he wouldn't be able to fight on for those whose voices weren't heard, but guys, this was a pretty classy concession speech considering all that happened.
Bush is going to need all the support Gore can publicly rouse. Whether you believe in the sincerity of the speech or not it was the right thing to say under the circumstances, and it raised my respect for him because of it.
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OK.. he said "Congradulated him on becoming the President"... not "receiving the presidency". Still no mention of being elected.
I've read the transcript twice now and see one reference to "disappointment" at the Supreme Court's decision
1. Strongly disagrees with the supreme court's decision
2. Disappointment
And.. the best dig of all:
VicePresident Gore:
I do have one regret: that I didn’t get the chance to stay and fight for the American people over the next four years, especially for those who need burdens lifted and barriers removed, especially for those who feel their voices have not been heard. I heard you and I will not forget.
If the lifestyle of the underpriveleged does not improve.. it is because gore wasn't there to help them.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
OK.. he said "Congradulated him on becoming the President"... not "receiving the presidency". Still no mention of being elected.
When you are elected to the presidency, you become the president. Don't read into this too much.
As for the Supreme Court, Gore actually only makes ONE negative comment toward it, not two. It was my mistake in misquoting what he said the first time... a misquote which you then coupled with his actual quote to give the appearance of two jabs. Here's the substance of what he says:
"Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court’s decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity of the people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession."
"Strongly disagrees" with the decision is as far as Gore goes here.
If the lifestyle of the underpriveleged does not improve.. it is because gore wasn't there to help them.
Maybe. I was attempting to deal with your misperceptions about the actual, word-for-word content of Gore's speech (re: how many jabs he made at this institution or that person). I had and have no interest in debating the success or failures of his policies over the last eight years.
-- Todd/DMF
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Sorry Nash but I think Gore has gotten as close to the presidency as he's ever going to get.
If he can't beat someone like Bush with the economy we have now then what chance does he have in 4 years?
I'm afraid the Demos will find someone much better by then.
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The dissapointment was just in loosing.. or with the decision that caused the loss? Interesting that he didn't specify. Your first statement wasn't as incorrect as you'd like to believe.
And you don't "become" president.. you are elected president. He didn't congradulate him on winning the election. As a matter of fact.. he never really mentions a victory of any kind. He refers to "the constest through which we just passed", "This has been an extraordinary election" and "the unusual nature of this election".
AKDejaVu
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I could be wrong, but I believe the only reason Al Gore had so much popular support in this election is the legacy of Bill Clinton. Standing on his won, I don't see Al Gore as being that attractive of a choice as a presidential candidate. I could be wrong, but I just don't see him having the charisma after 4 Bill Clinton-less years to get the nomination again.
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 12-13-2000).]
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Orignally said by Al Gore:
This has been an extraordinary election. But in one of God’s unforeseen paths, this belatedly broken impasse can point us all to a new common ground, for its very closeness can serve to remind us that we are one people with a shared history and a shared destiny.
Indeed, that history gives us many examples of contests as hotly debated, as fiercely fought, with their own challenges to the popular will.
A slight jab about Bush not winning the popular vote maybe?
Raub I think you're right about 2004. When it comes time for presidential nominations the sitting vice president has an advantage over all other comers, in that for the party to just toss him is almost like admitting they made a mistake in supporting him on the ticket before. It'll be interesting when the primaries come around again I think.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
The dissapointment was just in loosing.. or with the decision that caused the loss? Interesting that he didn't specify. Your first statement wasn't as incorrect as you'd like to believe.
Again, you're reading into this WAY too much. Of course he's disappointed at the decision AND at losing the election. Wouldn't you be? However, that's not what he stated explicitly in the speech. You were misquoting him and attributing "jabs" that simply weren't there. I was correcting you.
And you don't "become" president.. you are elected president.
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LOL. Yes, you DO become the president. You do so by winning the election. How many times do I have to say this? That you could possibly construe this choice of words as an attack on Bush is baffling.
He didn't congradulate him on winning the election. As a matter of fact.. he never really mentions a victory of any kind. He refers to "the constest through which we just passed", "This has been an extraordinary election" and "the unusual nature of this election".
It HAS been an extraordinary election... unusual as well. Why do you feel that Gore needed to specifically mention Bush's "victory?" A rose by any other name should smell so sweet. In as many words, this is exactly what Gore did.
-- Todd/DMF
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Originally posted by Eagler:
gore will mention:
1. he won the popular vote
2. that all votes were not counted
3. half bellybutton mention something about coming together behind Bush, even though he, gore, won the popular vote & reiterate the fact he feels all the votes were not counted - again (popular vote theme will be mentioned more than a couple of times)
It'll be a bunch of crap and will interrupt something a hell of a lot more interesting - the next episode of "The $treet".
Eagler
I stand corrected. The speech was a great concession speech. He bowed out pretty gracefully.
Eagler
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Rumors are already circulating about 2004 for the Dems- Hillary Clinton and Bob Kerry are the two names I have seen most prevalently. One of them would probably be ok. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I think this country has seen enough Clintons.
AKDejaVu:
If the lifestyle of the underprivileged does not improve.. it is because gore wasn't there to help them.
BS..Clinton and Gore have been in the White house for 8 years and they haven't done much to change the "lifestyle of the underprivileged" so what makes you think 4 more years would be any different?
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Democrats in 2004:
Hillary as Pres
goron as vp
jesse love muffin as sec of state
Otherwise know as Larry, Moe and Curly...
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Eagler
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Mighty1, I'm not saying they would have done any better. But, if things get worse... they have a scapegoat. That is the one thing Gore said that really irritated me. Other than that, it was a pretty decent speach.
BTW.. anyone notice that many Dem politicians are saying that Bush didn't really win the election... he was given it? Wow... guess I just read too much into Gore's speech eh?... or... more to the point what I didn't see in his speech.
AKDejaVu
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BS..Clinton and Gore have been in the White house for 8 years and they haven't done much to change the "lifestyle of the underprivileged" so what makes you think 4 more years would be any different? - Mighty
I've heard that a few times now... Do you mind expanding on that? What makes you say this?
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Maybe you can tell me what they have done.
I say that because I really haven't seen them do anything for the so called "underprivilege".
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Ah... great. You toss it out there, yet I gotta go and back up why I would question that. Fine.
Minority homeownership rates were the highest ever recorded.
The child poverty rate had the biggest 5-year drop in nearly 30 years (1965-1970). For African American children poverty is the lowest on record; for Hispanic children it is the lowest since 1980.
The largest welfare caseload decline in history, and the lowest number of people on welfare since 1969.
Unemployment rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans are both at historic lows, while the unemployment rate for women is the lowest since 1953.
Uhm...god... I could go on and on...
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Nothing can be done to help the poor people until they decide to help themselves. I've seen it too many times in my young life to believe otherwise. Every succesful African-American person I know, Rep or Dem, all say the same thing. Their lives never got better until they got off wellfare (the ones that were on it) and started to take care of things for themselves.
Ever heard the saying "If you want something done right, do it yourself" Well why don't people use that in their own lives?
udie
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The percentage of African American high school graduates enrolling in college increased from 48 percent in 1992 to 59 percent in 1997 -- the highest number ever.
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Got comparable rates for whites? Just curious, we did have some economic good times there, and I think looking at only one segment of the population can be misleading.
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Which issue Kieren - whites and education?
I'm telling you guys... You can win the bickering match by shouting the loudest, but you just aint gonna win on the issues. Go ahead and try.
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"The child poverty rate had the biggest 5-year drop in nearly 30 years (1965-1970). For African American children poverty is the lowest on record; for Hispanic children it is the lowest since 1980.
The largest welfare caseload decline in history, and the lowest number of people on welfare since 1969.
Unemployment rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans are both at historic lows, while the unemployment rate for women is the lowest since 1953."
Don't know about the rest of the country but here in FL, laws were past to limit welfare payments to those capable of working, they were forced to find a job.. oh yeah, mean ole Republicans pushed that through.
Eagler
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Nash that still does not prove Clinton/Gore did anything.
Tell me what THEY did to help the underprivileged.
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Hrmph.
I'll make a deal with you Mighty. You get off yer arse and tell me what Bush did in Texas, and I'll tell you what Clinton/Gore did. I'm perfectly willing to do this, and get into specific detail - I'll do it inna second...
It's just that you've been throwing out these party-line sound bites that are innacurate, and you constantly expect other people to do the work of proving why you're wrong.
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Nash
I for one would just like to thank you for keeping us bellybutton backwards Republicans in line. I really respect and appreciate a Canadian's viewpoint on American politics, really I do ............ not.
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Eagler
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Nash you are asking me to tell you what Clinton/Gore have done to help the underprivileged but that's exactly what I asked you to do.
If you want me to answer my own question then fine..They have done NOTHING.
As far as what Bush has done in Texas you would be better off asking Udie about that.
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No Mighty, I was asking you to point out what Bush has done....and I'd point out what Clinton has done.
"... tell me what Bush did in Texas, and I'll tell you what Clinton/Gore did."
Can that be any more clear?
Ah, but of course, give me a blanket "nothing" and then ask Udie to fight yer battles.
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I am not familiar with Bush's accomplishment but that wasn't the point was it?
I asked what did Clinton/Gore do to help the so called "underprivileged". You avoided the question by asking me another question which I am not qualified to answer. I am not asking Udie to fight my battles I only mentioned him because he is from Texas and he would know more about Bush than me.
Now if you don't want to answer my question fine ..don't but don't turn it around on me like I'm trying to defend Bush because I'm not.
You keep jumping in trying to defend Gore but you won't answer a simple question.
Can THAT be anymore clear?
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The only reason I asked you about Bush is because you continually just repeat the party line on this board - not really saying anything, not justifying anything, not adding anything.... Nothing from you but Goron this, Sore Loserman that. I reckoned that for once you might get off yer arse and actually do some work, and maybe learn something in the process. At least have the wherewithal to back up your claims.
This thing started not by you asking me to prove something, but by me asking *you* "Do you mind expanding on that? What makes you say this?" with regard to your statement about Clinton doing nothing.
So easy to say toejame like this - but you have absolutely nothing to back it up. You never do.
But ok - what has the Clinton administration actually *done* for the underpriveledged? You say "NOTHING". The record aint hard to dig up:
Since he passed his Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate has declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999 – the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years (1964-1970). There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993, and over 2.2 million, or over 30 percent, of this decline occurred during the past year.
Additionally, child poverty has dropped by 25.6 percent - from 22.7 percent in 1993 to 16.9 percent in 1999. It is the lowest child poverty rate since 1979 and includes the largest one-year decline since 1966. The African American child poverty rate has fallen 28.2 percent since 1993, and dropped from 36.7 percent in 1998 to 33.1 percent in 1999 - the largest one-year drop in history and the lowest level on record. The Hispanic child poverty rate has fallen by 26 percent since 1993, and dropped from 25.6 percent in 1998 to 22.8 percent in 1999 - the lowest level since 1979.
He enacted the single largest investment in health care for children since 1965.
He expanded of the Earned Income Tax Credit. In 1999, the EITC lifted 4.1 million people out of poverty – nearly double the number lifted out of poverty by the EITC in 1993.
He doubled federal funding for child care, helping parents pay for the care of about 1.5 million children in 1998.
He increased funding for the Head Start program by 90 percent, and in FY 2000, the program will serve approximately 880,000 children – over 160,000 more children than in 1993.
He signed the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which made sweeping changes to the previous adoption law. In 1999, 46,000 foster care children were adopted – more than a 64 percent increase since 1996.
He proposed and enacted the HOPE Scholarships and Lifetime Learning tax credits, which in 1999 were claimed by an estimated 10 million American families struggling to pay for college.
He expanded Work Study and Pell grants. One million students can now work their way through college because of the President's expansion of the Work Study Program, and nearly four million students will receive a Pell Grant of up to $3,300, the largest maximum award ever. The maximum award has increased 43 percent under the Clinton-Gore Administration.
He cut student fees and interest rates on all loans, expanded repayment options including income contingent repayment, and improved service through the Direct Loan Program. Students have saved $8.7 billion since 1993 through the reduction in loan fees and interest rates.
Again... one could go on and on. But I'll stop here. He has done *something*. You're wrong. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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He did all the above single handedly, no help from the Republicans (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
All the while sexually molesting and groping women in the Whitehouse.
Amazing what you can do when you downsize the military's budget to the point of vulnerability.
He's practically slept with the Chinese.
He's lied under oath.
He's introduced any child watching the evening news to a new definition to what "sexual relations" are.
He has spent more tax $$ on travel for his family and friends than any preceding pres.
He has lowered the country's moral standard by his behavior and lack of personal responsibility.
Having oral sex (on the job) is one thing, lying under oath is another. Sorry repeating myself here.
He has done more to divide the county along party lines, race & social economic status than any president in recent history.
Sorry, in my opinion for whatever good he has done, his failures have outweighed them.
Eagler
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How very...............typical.
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Hi Nash!
You speak of the improvements for the minority and less priveledged in our nation, and give Clinton/Gore credit for the improvement.
I'm sorry, but I can assure you that they only stayed out of the way of the most dynamic economic growth period our nation has ever seen. In other words, they didn't get in the way with their policies, they just took political credit for it as any sitting Pres/Vice would do regardless of which party affiliation they enjoy.
Now, I do not know how you make your living, so let me tell you how I make mine. My company is a 400 million dollar commercial developement firm that directly and indirectly is responsible for the employment of over 2000 people...we build and manage Shopping Centers/Office buildings.
My employees and the diverse group of retail/service tenants which I lease to, their capital investments along with the contribution each and every one of them makes to our economy, not to mention the ideas born and carried out by them as well, is directly responsible for the economic growth our country has seen.
There has not been one, not one, Clinton/Gore born idea or policy which has related to our growth or profitability throughout their entire term in office.
I wait for a specific Non-Republican, Clinton/Gore original thought or policy which would have impacted my company or the US economy in general.
In closing, I would like to thank Alan Greenspan for providing an atmosphere under which capital was freed for the sole purpose of investment, growth and the nurturing of new ideas. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Bye Bye
Ice
PS...One last thing...can you say The Technology Sector?
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Heyas Ice!
And I'm sure your "400 million dollar commercial developement firm" has done wonders for the underpriveledged with regard to education, health and welfare.
More often than not, social concerns having to do with the underpriveledged are created and supported *despite* big business. The booming economy therefore is not the sole factor in helping that segment of society as you'd have me believe. Belive it or not, not everyone was invited to that party.
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BS..Clinton and Gore have been in the White house for 8 years and they haven't done much to change the "lifestyle of the underprivileged" so what makes you think 4 more years would be any different?
Nash if you read my post you will see I said they haven't done MUCH to help the underprivileged. I didn't say they didn't do anything just not enough to warrant putting up with him for 4 more years.
The question I asked was a simple one(at least I thought it was)but you seem be having problems with it.
Let me rephrase it..What has Gore promised in his campaign that would make the underprivileged feel he would help them more in the next 4 years?
If I used words that are to big for you let me know I'll try to use smaller ones and speak slower. I can even throw in "Eh" every once in a while if that will help.
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If you want me to answer my own question then fine..They have done NOTHING.
Not "much", Mighty, NOTHING.
And now since you don't like my answer your asking me what Gore promised in his campaign?
Yer saying I'm having troubles with yer question..... I answered the bloody question. Have YOU got anything to say about it? Have YOU got anything to add? Do YOU care dispute it?
Perhaps throw in a "Clinton is a lying bastige" for good measure?
Again, u still aint sayin' anything here. Par.
[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 12-15-2000).]
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"Clinton is a lying bastige"
Eagler
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Exactly.
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Hiyas Nash!
Oddly enough my friend, our little company has done wonders in regards to education...the property taxes from working americans fund those schools which teach the youngsters...in regards to health....the income from new jobs and the growth of existing companies have provided health benefits and paid for indigent care for those without insurance...in regards to welfare...those who at one time could not find a job, now have more choice in todays job market than ever before. As a matter of fact, it is an employees job market unlike in the past.
In response to you, I never stated that our booming economy was the sole factor in helping the underpriviledged. However, all of these wonderful social concerns you speak of are not solved by good will alone...cash and its availability along with the charity of our neighbors gets it done.
I cannot speak to how Canada solves its social problems, but I can tell you that the state of US economy directly relates to the opportunity for education, health care options and the general welfare of our citizens. Note: I said opportunity...we are not socialist (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
But, back to my original post, as I said...
"I wait for a specific Non-Republican, Clinton/Gore original thought or policy which would have impacted my company or the US economy in general"
I eagerly await your detailed response (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas
Ice
PS...One last thing...can you say The P-51 is the Cadillac of the Skies!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Nash, I wasn't shouting at all. I would merely point out that if you are going to grab statistics for a particular group it is useful to compare it to another group to see if the rate of rise was similar- in this way you see if progress is really occuring, or if you are maintaining the status quo.
You laid some figures down for the minorities and I didn't dispute them. Knock that chip off your shoulder! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
As for this "'Bush is a dick!' 'No, Clinton is a dick'" type argument, I am not going to get involved again. Both sides are entrenched and not listening to each other anyway. There is no longer anything to be gained by the debate except rancor. Besides, you guys know how I feel about it, why bore you? Some think I am right, some think I am too stupid to know what I think, and the truth is probably in the middle. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
In fact, I think this is where I bow out for good from the AH scene. About the only time I come to anything related to AH anymore is on this OT board, and with the conclusion of the election I don't have much interest in coming here to hash the past or the future. I am not angry with anyone, but my connect situation went south a long time ago and I can't play anyway. Hell, even logging on to this board can take several minutes, and I am on an ISDN line!
So, to those who I've met and known, to those I have argued with, to those that are just butt-ugly *cough-Mighty-cough*... the best of luck in the sim. Hope it continues to grow!
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Kieren - I know you've probably tried everything, but...
One of my squaddies is on cable, Roadrunner I think, and his connection was just horrible. So he went to dial-up for AH and it worked great for him. This might not be a great option for you, but perhaps.
Don't be a stranger here! You're a royal pain in the ass, Kieren, but yer a damn good guy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cheers, best of luck, and I know we'll butt heads sometime down the road (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S!>
ps. Ice - I'll get back to ya, I'm just home from work now and am decompressing with a cold beer. Gonna be tough trying to get by your "original idea" qualifier... but I'll give it a go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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You know what? Screw this. Nash it finally dawned on me that you really don't care about what you are talking about all you want to do is stir things up.
I was so wrapped up in my dislike for Gore that I fell for your BS.
My final comment is this, in my opinion Clinton/Gore are both liars and traitors and the country is a far better place without them. I just hope that Clinton doesn't screw us to bad before he leaves. And I hope they nail his bellybutton after he is out of office.
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Excuse me? If I didn't give a toejam I wouldn't bother spending my time on this board. I care enough to at least try know what I'm talking about, <cough> Mighty.
If you disagree with my views, I must be just trying to "stir things up". Gee... where have I heard that one before?
It's been fascinating here, and I've learned tons from guys like Toad and Fatty... lotsa other folks. Hell, in one single post Ice came here and shed way more light on the issue than ten of your "duh I don't know, YOU tell me...or Udie... hell anyone... cuz..uh... I dunno" posts.
My BS?
Perhaps you'd prefer it if I posted 'Mighty' style, and called Bush a poopy head. You aint got nuthin' to say beyond that, and ya never did. Ya *still* never did come up with some basis for saying Clinton did nothing for the poor. Why?
Cuz your the classic drive-by poster; spraying the board with frustrated, hate driven nonsense, and leave the onus of clarifying your points up to anyone but yourself.
Ciao
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<Mighty1 drives by and sticks his head out the window and shouts>
Stir baby stir!
<sticks his head back in so Nash's infinite wisdom doesn't splash on him>
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Will Bush over-rule the USA Generals, dump the beret and make stetsons the official USA (United States Army) head gear?