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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on September 03, 2005, 01:21:15 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.impact/index.html
Black members of Congress criticized the pace of relief efforts, saying response was slow because those most affected are poor.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/02/black.lawmakers.ap/index.html
"The issue is not about race right now," said Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, D-Ohio. "There will be another time to have issues about color."
Unfreakingbelievable.....
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Unfreakingbelievable.....
Really? I find it quite believable.
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Well... the most affected are the poor.
The people with some "safety net" are already out of the area unless they were just too foolish to heed the warnings.
Saw a number somewhere... can't remember where but the estimate is that there are (or were) over 100,000 people in New Orleans that did not possess a car.
By and large, the people in New Orleans at the SuperDome or the Convention center, etc. are probably poor.
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I keep expecting Lou Farrakan or Al Sharpton to show up.
Only a matter of time...
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I dunno... Farrakan is a whack job.
While I don't necessarily agree with most or possibly any of what Sharpton has to say, he does seem to be the only guy in the DNC that has any passion for anything.
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LOL!
They are BOTH whack jobs.
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I'm not going to argue the point.
The difference is that Farrakan is a dangerous whack job. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Well... the most affected are the poor.
Yes... and do you think that's why the aid response was slow?
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Originally posted by SOB
Yes... and do you think that's why the aid response was slow?
No. I think it was slow because we were unprepared.
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C'mon lets all just blaim bush and the republicans and get it over with.
All of those with magic eight balls that predicted this can say I told you so.
Those that want to play the race card....well I'll play one right back atcha. ;)
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the politics of this are absolutely disgusting.
Help the damn people for christ's sake and forget your freaking party lines for once.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
C'mon lets all just blaim bush and the republicans and get it over with.
All of those with magic eight balls that predicted this can say I told you so.
Those that want to play the race card....well I'll play one right back atcha. ;)
A lot of things went wrong and it may have been avoidable.
First, the Army Corp of Engineers has been asking for additional funds for DECADES. They knew New Orleans was at risk.
Two, the city knew that a hurricane could do this and yet there was no real evacuation plan.
As for the military moving slowly. Yeah... we've been there. Moving a few hundred or a few thousand men and machinary isn't something that happens overnight. I suspect that we're moving on New Orleans no slower than we moved on Thailand. The difference is the 100 choppers and news casters filling the airwaves with scenes of death and destruction. Oh... and the victims all speak english.
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Magic Eight Ball? There was the biggest hurricane in recent history bearing down on the most vulnerable city in the gulf, and we weren't prepared for it. That was a **** up. Whose **** up it was, I dunno, but somebody was sleeping at the wheel. It doesn't really matter now though, as getting the situation in hand is a heck of a lot more important than trying to assign blame.
I don't think it's any secret that I think Bush is a worthless heap, but at least he was smart enough to cancel his vacation and get to work when the poop hit the fan.
In a perfect world I'd say we should examine what happened here when we're several months down the road, and figure out how to respond better next time. But in reality, the most that will probably happen is politicians lighting up torches and looking for people to blame, and nothing will get fixed.
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Originally posted by Sandman
A lot of things went wrong and it may have been avoidable.
First, the Army Corp of Engineers has been asking for additional funds for DECADES. They knew New Orleans was at risk.
Two, the city knew that a hurricane could do this and yet there was no real evacuation plan.
As for the military moving slowly. Yeah... we've been there. Moving a few hundred or a few thousand men and machinary isn't something that happens overnight. I suspect that we're moving on New Orleans no slower than we moved on Thailand. The difference is the 100 choppers and news casters filling the airwaves with scenes of death and destruction. Oh... and the victims all speak english.
didn't the USACE have like 200 million $ over the last 2 decades to fix the problem and not do it.
IIRC this hurrican changed course at several times.
I think we would have saw what we are seeing today yesturday if thugs hadn't been shooting at helicopters and such.
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Compared to the level of devastation, a mere $10 Million per year seems criminal.
But Oboe got me wondering... is it really the federal government's fault for not properly defending a city that shouldn't have been built there in the first place?
When we talk about state's rights and responsibilties versus federal rights and responsibilities, how do we look at New Orleans?
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So much to address.
When it comes to Race, if there were a bunch Connecticutians holed up in a god forsaken football dome whiping feces on the walls it would have been a done deal three days ago.
Boom! Airlift/airdrop done.
That whole talking point: "I'm not criticizing their choice not to leave, but they chose not to leave" is garbage.
In a hundred billion different ways so I aint even gonna touch that.
Sandman: "No. I think it was slow because we were unprepared."
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.
Gunslinger: "All of those with magic eight balls that predicted this can say I told you so."
This has nothing to do with magic eight balls. This entire and exact eventuality has been war-gamed and played out to death. They knew this was gonna happen.
They did dick-all about it except to cut the funding to prevent it in favour of providing pork. Death and pork. Death or pork. Everyone loves bacon so you know how that fared.
Funding to the levy was halted for the first time in many years - everything was halted and slashed - and the people of New Orleans were fed to the dogs.
There is going to be hell to pay.
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Originally posted by Nash
So much to address.
When it comes to Race, if there were a bunch Connecticutians holed up in a god forsaken football dome whiping feces on the walls it would have been a done deal three days ago.
Boom! Airlift/airdrop done.
That whole talking point: "I'm not criticizing their choice not to leave, but they chose not to leave" is garbage.
In a hundred billion different ways so I aint even gonna touch that.
Sandman: "No. I think it was slow because we were unprepared."
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.
Gunslinger: "All of those with magic eight balls that predicted this can say I told you so."
This has nothing to do with magic eight balls. This entire and exact eventuality has been war-gamed and played out to death. They knew this was gonna happen.
They did dick-all about it except to cut the funding to prevent it in favour of providing pork. Death and pork. Death or pork. Everyone loves bacon so you know how that fared.
Funding to the levy was halted for the first time in many years - everything was halted and slashed - and the people of New Orleans were fed to the dogs.
There is going to be hell to pay.
yes they knew it was going to happen and the LOCAL govt even had drills for it recently. The LOCAL govts have failed miserable.
Airdrop, airlifts....to where? where are you going to drop stuff, in the water? how are you going to air lift people out? how many sea planes do we have in the states?
Have you EVER been to NO? I have, there's not too many roads leading there. most of them go over water. For those that weren't sunk or destroyed there is only so much you can move over them. Before that you have to prioritize.
If the crime and shootings hadn't been goin on yesturday we'd have seen a whole lot more of what's goin on today.
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dont shoot at the helicopters. four days is a long time but I dont think its racism. Its just poor leadership, no planning for disaster. At least the aid is there now.
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The guy in charge of the copters said that no copters were shot at.
Now:
yes they knew it was going to happen and the LOCAL govt even had drills for it recently. The LOCAL govts have failed miserable.
Airdrop, airlifts....to where? where are you going to drop stuff, in the water? how are you going to air lift people out? how many sea planes do we have in the states?
Have you EVER been to NO? I have, there's not too many roads leading there. most of them go over water. For those that weren't sunk or destroyed there is only so much you can move over them. Before that you have to prioritize.
If the crime and shootings hadn't been goin on yesturday we'd have seen a whole lot more of what's goin on today.
Seems complicated when you put it like that, doesn't it? How about this? DON'T CUT THE LEVY MONEY.
Problem solved oops too late.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Oh... and the victims all speak english.
You call that english?
P.S. I blame the Dutch for 90% of our problems in North America for the past 300 years.
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aye- yup.
beyatch.
;)
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Nash, your posts are getting so disjointed to be meaningless.
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Opening up the racism can could let less a whole lot of worms, like classifying the rioters and looters, then compare the Asian tsunami rioting and looting with New Orleans. Then compare the relative poverty and education levels. Makes you scratch your head a bit.
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Nash keep going mate. You will get told repeatedly you area fool by people with a political agenda, probably, or you will get moderated thats a given. But I for one think you make some valid points.
Trouble is all the cries to keep politics out of the discussion are just a bit political realy since they are aimed at protecting the current govt ie the republican party and Mr Bush from taking any responsibility for the shambolic response!
Its not political to say the govt has made a mess of things. Thats seems to be a done deal it would seem. Wouldn't matter which party or leader was in power realy.
Its political to say the republican party has made a mess of things.That is not helpfull or accurate.
Frankly it wouldn't matter who is in power. If they responded as slowly and shambolicaly they ought to be held to account whoever they are. National or local Govt.
Thank goodness some supplies are now getting through and people are getting out. Pity about all those who would have survived if things had been done quicker!!!
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As a father or two, my heart broke watching those images with parents carrying limp, dehydrated small children.
They could have filled a clusterbomb with Trump Ice strapped in small parachutes and drop a few of those in the convention area. They could have strapped a rubber dingy under the supply container to make it float on water.
If there is a will, there are ways.
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pfft that's nothing, check this out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randall-robinson/new-orleans_b_6643.html
Please do not open if you suffer from high blood pressure, are not sitting down or have a nervous disposition.
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Originally posted by Nash
The guy in charge of the copters said that no copters were shot at.
As of yesterday evening, !@!#$ SNIPERS were holding a group of 100 firefighters and their families in a building, and a swat team/ Nat. Guard was being diverted from their other duties to rescue these people, some of whom were apparently already wounded. Aid workers can't be sent in without police escort--it has reached the point where volunteer doctors, etc are leaving--they are trying to HELP these $$holes, and get nothing but complaints and death threats in return. All the violence going on from these young thugs is slowing down an already-too-slow response. Was there anything like this in the North Carolina Hurricanes a couple years ago? No..was there anything like this in either of the South FLA hurricanes last year? No. Was there anything like this in Miami after Andrew? No. (Looting, yes.) All the news clips I saw, I dont think I saw anyone say 'thank-you'. Prolly just as mad about the hurricane coming at the first of the month and they couldn't cash their gov't checks---I lived around this crap for years, and its just not in me to have much sympathy for a lot of these people.
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In my opinnion, this conflict now brings into general knowledge what we as outsiders have been pointing out a long time.
Egocentrism and gaping differences in lifestyles within the country. Those who had it good had it so good that they closed their eyes from the misfortunate.
Judging from many of the articles, this is a wakeup call for many.
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Siaf...I feel a great deal of sympathy for the poor who are trapped in New Orleans. The plight of the children is especially heart-rending.
The states around Mississippi and Louisiana (You wouldn't know it from the focus of the media coverage, but Mississippi has been hit harder than Louisiana) have opened their arms wide to receive the refugees from those two states and are pouring supplies into the stricken zone.
But please make sure your sympathies are not misplaced. As many working class people of color acknowledge, there is a difference between the genuine poor and the "professional underclass."
Believe me, the media are well acquainted and quite chummy with the latter group and their leaders. And both of these groups attempt to manipulate the genuine poor for their own political ends.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Mukiwa
pfft that's nothing, check this out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randall-robinson/new-orleans_b_6643.html
Please do not open if you suffer from high blood pressure, are not sitting down or have a nervous disposition.
The only thing amazing about this is that someone would be dumb enough to believe it.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Well... the most affected are the poor.
The people with some "safety net" are already out of the area unless they were just too foolish to heed the warnings.
Saw a number somewhere... can't remember where but the estimate is that there are (or were) over 100,000 people in New Orleans that did not possess a car.
By and large, the people in New Orleans at the SuperDome or the Convention center, etc. are probably poor.
Which begs to question...why didn't the Mayor release the buses during the mandantory evacuation? (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015)
Also, for Nash...The last 3 days I read one news report where in the past the Feds would match the state dollar for dollar on flood control spending(typical on federally-supported projects, sort of a "state Welfare program for infrastructure)...the state took it to the voters, and the voters turned it down. I know you're just chomping at the bit to blame this on the feds but it won't fly this time homey.
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We knew that N.O. would be hit like this. It was only a matter of time. There were preparations planned before. Problem is the planning was way underestimating the disaster that actually fell upon the city.
There is logic in saying that we should have built the levee system stronger. Why didn’t they? For the same reason we haven’t built a net to catch or destroy Meteors from hitting the Earth. The all mighty dollar. To pay for it Taxes would have to be increased, everyone would have been screaming about it.
A meteor hitting the earth is just as sure of occurring as N.O. was of being hit from a Hurricane. The question is when, how long, how bad. Let’s spend 200Billion today and another 50billion a year to support the meteor shield. And if it fails....lets blame (Insert current president of the date meteor hits)...Its all his fault. Is this a program your willing to pay an extra few % in taxes? Most Americans would oppose anything close to this....but its the same thing as the levee system.
We were ill prepared but not unprepared. This disaster is on a massive scale and I have faith in our country to get everyone help. But it isn’t going to happen overnight.
If this happened in any other country around the world would we have seen anything happen sooner? I think the answer would be a big NO. The USA is a strong compassionate country that cares about all its people of any race. If it takes a week for the govt to get food to you count yourself as lucky and say thank you for all your efforts.
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I Agree with rip
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Originally posted by Nash
There is going to be hell to pay.
Maybe we can learn from other politicized disasters like Hurri Andrew, Nash?
"I don't want to insult your community," Thames says carefully. "But I think that, in certain respects, you're going about things wrong down there. This thing is an act of God–there isn't anyone responsible for it. It's done, and you just have to put it behind you and get on with it. There's always a lot of political hype after a disaster. But when it comes down to clearing away the rubble and debris and getting started on the rebuilding, you'd better do it yourself." Source: http://reason.com/9301/fe.garvin.shtml
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Oh brother...incredible the things some people will believe. Maybe I should say incredible the things some people will convince themselves is true.
Nash, you need to get a grip.
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Originally posted by VOR
Oh brother...incredible the things some people will believe. Maybe I should say incredible the things some people will convince themselves is true.
Nash, you need to get a grip.
There are millions of this type have been brainwashed into believing that only Government can help you. Personally responsibility has been replaced with finger pointing and the classic victimization mentality.
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sandie... answered you in another thread..states rights should not be tampered with... they should be strengthened...
nash and skyprancer are the most unhappy on this board about how things are going in America.. they have one other thing in common...
They are not American and know nothing about us. Oh... I can say "us" because... well... I AM and American.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Which begs to question...why didn't the Mayor release the buses during the mandantory evacuation? (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015)
Did the city own the buses? I heard that the drivers already evacuated. Do you really want unqualified drivers on your highway? On bus could block two lanes.
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Originally posted by Sandman
A lot of things went wrong and it may have been avoidable.
First, the Army Corp of Engineers has been asking for additional funds for DECADES. They knew New Orleans was at risk.
Two, the city knew that a hurricane could do this and yet there was no real evacuation plan.
As for the military moving slowly. Yeah... we've been there. Moving a few hundred or a few thousand men and machinary isn't something that happens overnight. I suspect that we're moving on New Orleans no slower than we moved on Thailand. The difference is the 100 choppers and news casters filling the airwaves with scenes of death and destruction. Oh... and the victims all speak english.
BINGO!!! Give tha man a CEGAR!!! :aok
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Which begs to question...why didn't the Mayor release the buses during the mandantory evacuation? (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015)
I'm waiting for someone to explain/answer why the city did not use these buses as resources...
Seeing all thoses buses unused, makes me beleive that there was no sense of urgency with local officals about the seriousness of the situation..
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
At least the aid is there now.
You think so? Have you seen the mayor or the Nawlins police superintendant?
The PD chief said his men had been working for 5 days with less than nothing.
This morning the evacuations were stopped with no apparent reason.
People on the outskirts who had access to travelinb by foot or any other means are being held there against their will.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Did the city own the buses? I heard that the drivers already evacuated. Do you really want unqualified drivers on your highway? On bus could block two lanes.
There was a story reported here in Dallas that a twenty year old hot wired a school bus and drove it all the way to Huston... he picked up stranded people along the way. They all pooled their money for Gas....
A truely amazing story.....
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Originally posted by Mukiwa
Please do not open if you suffer from high blood pressure, are not sitting down or have a nervous disposition.
I agree. The raging laughter might be too much when you read yet another mindless moron using this for an opportunity to promote the ridiculous..
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Originally posted by Nash
The guy in charge of the copters said that no copters were shot at.
Now:
Seems complicated when you put it like that, doesn't it? How about this? DON'T CUT THE LEVY MONEY.
Problem solved oops too late.
ahh yes the liberal answer to everything. Throw enough money at it and it will be fixed. :aok
so no one is shooting at anyone. there's no violenxe? The police and rescuers are just lazy?
Cmon Nash I've seen enough people though this thing at Bush and I think it's amazing that ONE single man caused a hurricane and a natural disaster.
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Originally posted by soda72
There was a story reported here in Dallas that a twenty year old hot wired a school bus and drove it all the way to Huston... he picked up stranded people along the way. They all pooled their money for Gas....
A truely amazing story.....
I saw him being interviewed on gretta last night. He found the keys in the school wich was destroyed and the thing had gass. He just drove it out and picked more than 80 poeple up on the way. They made three stops and everyone chipped in for gass. The astrodome almost didn't let them in because they didn't know they were coming. The guy is a hero. He's also an example that somone doesnt have to use poverty as an excuse to act in an uncivil mannor. Truely amazing
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
In my opinnion, this conflict now brings into general knowledge what we as outsiders have been pointing out a long time.
Egocentrism and gaping differences in lifestyles within the country. Those who had it good had it so good that they closed their eyes from the misfortunate.
Judging from many of the articles, this is a wakeup call for many.
Just a reminder,
Last year 15,000 (est) old people died in a heat wave in France.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Which begs to question...why didn't the Mayor release the buses during the mandantory evacuation? (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015)
I count about 196 buses in that picture... How many people can one of those buses carry?
, 40? people
40x196=7,840
Maybe they didn't have enough time or warning to organize anything...
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Originally posted by soda72
I count about 196 buses in that picture... How many people can one of those buses carry?
, 40? people
40x196=7,840
Maybe they didn't have enough time or warning to organize anything...
that's NOT what people who are blaming the president are saying. People like Nash seem to think they had all the time to plan in the world and they knew EXACTLY what was going to happen.
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Just a reminder,
Last year 15,000 (est) old people died in a heat wave in France.
I fail to see the connection with old people dying of age and having the majority of the black 65% of population living under the poverty line as one report from NO claimed. People who were so poor that they couldn't afford to buy gas even if they owned vehicles in order to escape.
Could it be so that you need so many guns because your country is having a quiet class war within. Poor minorities make the upper class feel very uneasy.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I fail to see the connection with old people dying of age and having the majority of the black 65% of population living under the poverty line as one report from NO claimed. People who were so poor that they couldn't afford to buy gas even if they owned vehicles in order to escape.
Could it be so that you need so many guns because your country is having a quiet class war within. Poor minorities make the upper class feel very uneasy.
they died of age?
ok then I see no reason to continue.
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Krusher old people die to heat because they're old and their system can't handle the heat. The heat was therefore just one factor that hastened the process. I myself was a little surprised they even publicized the happening as it's natural for an old person to crash in difficult conditions. Young people who are not about to die did not die to heat.
I'm not exactly into the details of what happened in France and I'm sure something more could have been done by the government. But the fact remains that the ones who died were old and in bad health to begin with - they just needed a push.
Now please explain how that correlates to the class/racial differences that we were discussing about.
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If the choices are that everyone has the same income by bringing the rich down and creating one income class or that poor people die when there is a disaster...
I vote for letting the poor die now and again.
lazs
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The words of a truly greedy person. I guess you're not a very religious person either. Jesus taught people to share and take care of thy neighbour.
You can only hope that you'll never be misfortunate enough to end up on the streets.
I know I would have had an extremely hard time surviving a certain period of my life without support from the society. And now I'm a highly productive member of it instead of sucking crack and pushing a shopping cart.
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perhaps.... but you do not know me. I have probly helped more people in need than most folks... I just don't believe that the government helping them is anyones interest in the long run.
better a few die once in a while than all die a slow death every day.
And... I have been as broke as they come and drug and booze addicted at the same time... that doesn't make it right for me to extort money from anyone.
lazs
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Tell ya what Siaf...why don't you get Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson to explain why they no longer live in ghetto communities.
Ask middle-class and upper middle-class blacks why they're moving out instead of staying and trying to provide an example for underprivileged youth.
They'll tell you they left because of the drugs and the gang violence.
There is racism and division at work in those communities...but it is a two way street.
Government programs help the poor feed and clothe themselves and get medical care....but the unfortunate result has been the creation of a permanent dependent class....some of whose members have become grasping and demanding.
This is a fact that our idealistic elites have not come to terms with...and simply refuse to believe.
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Originally posted by Xargos
((snip))
I blame the Dutch for 90% of our problems in North America for the past 300 years.
So I'm not the only one...
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
The words of a truly greedy person. I guess you're not a very religious person either. Jesus taught people to share and take care of thy neighbour.
You can only hope that you'll never be misfortunate enough to end up on the streets.
I know I would have had an extremely hard time surviving a certain period of my life without support from the society. And now I'm a highly productive member of it instead of sucking crack and pushing a shopping cart.
I agree with laz, I also preferr to "teach a man to fish", so to speak rather than giving it to him.
alot of these people are givin everything to them from the govt. They do not know anything other than crime because they do not know how to help themselves. When the govt can no longer help them they have no other recourse. This is why I don't like socialism and govt handouts to people who can't/don't want to help themselves.
Notice I said people....not blacks. The majority of these are blacks but that shouldn't make a difference.
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Originally posted by Nash
So much to address.
When it comes to Race, if there were a bunch Connecticutians holed up in a god forsaken football dome whiping feces on the walls it would have been a done deal three days ago.
Boom! Airlift/airdrop done.
That whole talking point: "I'm not criticizing their choice not to leave, but they chose not to leave" is garbage.
In a hundred billion different ways so I aint even gonna touch that.
Sandman: "No. I think it was slow because we were unprepared."
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.
Gunslinger: "All of those with magic eight balls that predicted this can say I told you so."
This has nothing to do with magic eight balls. This entire and exact eventuality has been war-gamed and played out to death. They knew this was gonna happen.
They did dick-all about it except to cut the funding to prevent it in favour of providing pork. Death and pork. Death or pork. Everyone loves bacon so you know how that fared.
Funding to the levy was halted for the first time in many years - everything was halted and slashed - and the people of New Orleans were fed to the dogs.
There is going to be hell to pay.
Exactly how much of Conn is built under sea level with few
means of access? Seriously Nash, why don't you move south so
your whines would at least have some relevancy.
Perhaps Canadian ambassador to the UN? Then you could
bash the Bush admin officially to your heart's delight.
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I blame socialism.
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Hmm interesting how we have no problems with this kind of people down here.
If your theory would be correct most of europe should be nothing but drug sucking unemployed scum waiting for the next dole payment.
Instead we have far less problems with drugs in general. Far less homeless people, up to non-existant in scandinavia. Far smaller class differences and consequently much less trouble in the society. No heated political debates. No riots here. Well, exception makes the rule (UK). No angry black people with raised fists having a parade. No need to arm ourselves to teeth because we don't have to be afraid of those who can't support themselves.
No need to hire security companies or put bars on the windows (well except in Greece with Albanians looting every place).
We pay more taxes, granted. But I think that our lives are much more troublefree in so many ways. I don't have to worry about raising money for my childrens education - school is free all the way to the university. No need to seek a dental plan - it comes for granted. No need to take a medical insurance - that's being covered too. No need to worry about medical insurance premiums or denial for that matter.
No need to worry about ending up to the street in the case of an accident or lose of health. Covered.
No need to pay trips to the schools or pay meals to the children. Covered. School healthcare. Covered.
State pension system. Check. State funded retirement homes with medical personnel 24/7. Check. Public offices corruption free and effective. (Doesn't apply outside scandinavia though.)
Even the poorest of the families can educate their children and give them a chance of a better life. Can you?
Even though we have strict gun control laws it's still possible to obtain several different weapons for personal use. You just need to have a background check and register. Gun ownership outside of people who hunt is not, however, very popular. Guns are considered vulgar, a bit of a hillbilly thing. Or related to crime - they have a very negative image in any case.
We literally live in two different worlds. In your world there are many risks associated in several things in life. But on the other hand a chance to fulfill the American dream - become filthy rich.
Here your life will be much more average unless you're really ambitious. The truly ambitious ones will eventually move away officially to avoid taxes and earn a fortune while being 'taxed' in Monaco. Many who try but in the end can't make it outside and return with no money and underwear get the treatment of the prodigal son.
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Did anyone catch this week's episode of Real Time? Mahr brought up a couple interesting facts. Federal funding to reenforce the levies was cut from the budget for the last several years and called pork. Meanwhile funding for a bridge in Alaska that serves 30 people and that was not pork.
He also showed a couple AP wire photos. The first showed a black woman wading thru the water with a plastic bag of groceries and a 12 pack of Pepsi. The caption read (and I'm paraphrasing) "A woman escapes after looting."
The second showed a man and woman, both white, wading thru the water with 2 bags of groceries and the caption read (again paraphrasing) "A couple struggle to safety after finding food."
I'm very disappointed in the AP.
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Lol rpm was that a snip from saturday night live or real? :huh
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Sadly, it was real.
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Just listened to my staunchly democrat liberal ex-wife lambaste the feds, the state and the local government for the fiasco.
Then she said (unprompted) 'what's wrong with those people.. why are they just standing there.. why don't they just start walking..'.
then I got punched in the arm when i started laughing. i had to explain that i was not laughing at the folks in need.. i was laughing at her order of priorities.
"dear, i'm in agreement with you. the part that's funny is both you and i would have walked out and THEN started howling about 'where's the help?". Those folks are just standing there, waiting for the mountains to come to muhammed.
then I got punched yet again when I pointed out that the welfare programs and education system she helped bring into being is the ultimate root cause for the majority of the human suffering.. those folks find no blame among themselves for their circumstances, take no responsibility for their own well being, and have been educated to believe that the 'government will provide'.
The Nanny State.
Evidence that the government cannot legislate common sense.
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Originally posted by rpm
Did anyone catch this week's episode of Real Time? Mahr brought up a couple interesting facts. Federal funding to reenforce the levies was cut from the budget for the last several years and called pork. Meanwhile funding for a bridge in Alaska that serves 30 people and that was not pork.
He also showed a couple AP wire photos. The first showed a black woman wading thru the water with a plastic bag of groceries and a 12 pack of Pepsi. The caption read (and I'm paraphrasing) "A woman escapes after looting."
The second showed a man and woman, both white, wading thru the water with 2 bags of groceries and the caption read (again paraphrasing) "A couple struggle to safety after finding food."
I'm very disappointed in the AP.
normally I can watch bill mahr and enjoy the show. Sometimes it takes more than a grain of salt. last night, I had to shut him off. That show was so out of check with actual reality it wasn't even funny. Yes there has been some unintentional racisist stuff in the media but over all I didn't see any captions for white people stealing TVs and shoes.
After that it was all bush's fault and racism and about Iraq
Truth be told now that the federal govt is running the show progress is showing. The politics I keep hearing from the left on this almost angers me as much as the looters.
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Originally posted by rpm
He also showed a couple AP wire photos. The first showed a black woman wading thru the water with a plastic bag of groceries and a 12 pack of Pepsi. The caption read (and I'm paraphrasing) "A woman escapes after looting."
The second showed a man and woman, both white, wading thru the water with 2 bags of groceries and the caption read (again paraphrasing) "A couple struggle to safety after finding food."
I'm very disappointed in the AP.
rpm those pictures were taken days apart. The first time I saw the pic of the woman with the bread was the day after the strike. It was before all the panic and looting was being reported. The first I saw the picture of the woman with the pepsi was well after the looting began and was a common used word by the media.
Not sure its a great excuse but it could explain the different viewpoints. Or maybe its racism. Real deal is tho, taking food in a disaster area to keep your family in good health is no crime, no matter what race.
Now if you lift it from the hands of your neighbor thats a different story.
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Don't get me wrong. I don't blame anyone for scavaging food in this situation. I just find it odd that the black woman was "looting" and the white people "just happened to find" food.
While we are on the subject, I just made a donation to the Salvation Army to provide hot food to the refugees and emergency responders. Step up to the plate, boys.
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Originally posted by rpm
Don't get me wrong. I don't blame anyone for scavaging food in this situation. I just find it odd that the black woman was "looting" and the white people "just happened to find" food.
While we are on the subject, I just made a donation to the Salvation Army to provide hot food to the refugees and emergency responders. Step up to the plate, boys.
snopes has some info on this
http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp
It's difficult to draw any substantiated conclusions from these photographs' captions. Although they were both carried by many news outlets, they were taken by two different photographers and came from two different services, Associated Press (AP) and Getty Images via Agence France-Presse (AFP). These
services may have different stylistic standards for how they caption photographs, or the dissimilar wordings may have been due to nothing more than the preferences of different photographers and editors, or the difference might be the coincidental result of a desire to avoid repetitive
wording (similar photographs from the same news services variously describe the depicted actions s "looting," "raiding," "taking," "finding," and "making off"). The viewer also isn't privy to the contexts in which the photographs were taken - it's possible that in one case the photographer actually saw his subject exiting an unattended grocery store with an armful of goods, while in the other case the photographer came upon his subjects with supplies in hand and could only make assumptions about how they obtained them.
A Salon article on the photographs by Aaron Kinney suggests the captions were a result of a combination of contexual and stylistic differences:Jack Stokes, AP's director of media relations, confirmed today that [photographer Dave] Martin says he witnessed the people in his images looting a grocery store. "He saw the person go into the shop and take the goods," Stokes said, "and that's why he wrote 'looting' in the caption."
Regarding the AFP/Getty "finding" photo by [photographer Chris] Graythen, Getty spokeswoman Bridget Russel said, "This is obviously a big tragedy down there, so we're being careful with how we credit these photos." Russel said that Graythen had discussed the image in question with his editor and that
if Graythen didn't witness the two people in the image in the act of looting, then he couldn't say they were looting.
The photographer who took the Getty/AFP picture, Chris Graythen, also posted the reasons behind his caption:
I wrote the caption about the two people who 'found' the items. I believed in my opinion, that they did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word. The people were swimming in chest deep water, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. I looked for the best picture. there were a million items floating in the water - we were
right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. it had no doors. the water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water. They would have
floated away anyhow.
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Now this is just stupid:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168387,00.html
Kanye West Rips Bush at Telethon
Friday, September 02, 2005
NEW YORK — It began, fittingly enough, with jazz from New Orleans natives Harry Connick Jr. and Wynton Marsalis. But "A Concert for Hurricane Relief," a heartfelt and dignified benefit aired on NBC and other networks Friday night, took an unexpected turn thanks to the outspoken rapper Kanye West (search).
Appearing two-thirds through the program, he claimed "George Bush doesn't care about black people" and said America is set up "to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off as slow as possible."
The show, simulcast from New York on NBC, MSNBC, CNBC and Pax, was aired live to the East Coast, enabling the Grammy-winning rapper's outburst to go out uncensored.
There was a several-second tape delay, but the person in charge "was instructed to listen for a curse word, and didn't realize (West) had gone off-script," said NBC spokeswoman Rebecca Marks.
Immediately after the airing was over, Marks said it was undetermined how much, if any, of the tirade would be included in the taped West Coast feed three hours later.
The host was NBC News' Matt Lauer, who invited viewers to contribute to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund (search) by phone or on the Web. Some 18 presenters performed musical numbers or gave information on the tragedy's huge scope.
Louisiana native Tim McGraw (search) teared up as he told Lauer, "I know the citizens that weren't affected by this directly are gonna stand up and do good things for people." He sang two songs, then became the first of the evening's stars to sign a Gibson Les Paul Special guitar to be auditioned online.
Faith Hill (search), a Mississippi native, sang "There Will Come a Time," with the inspiring lyrics, "The darkness will be gone, the weak shall be strong. Hold on to your faith."
New Orleans son Aaron Neville performed Randy Newman's soulful "Louisiana 1927" with the memorable chorus, "they're trying to wash us away, they're trying to wash us away."
New York governor George Pataki presented the Red Cross with a check for $2.5 million and promised, "This great state will do far more."
"In terms of property damage," said actress Hilary Swank, "the estimate is at least $26 billion in insured losses and perhaps twice that in uninsured losses over a 90,000-square-mile area — approximately the size of Kansas."
Other speakers included Lindsay Lohan (search), Eric LaSalle, Glenn Close, Richard Gere, John Goodman and Leonardo DiCaprio (search).
Comedian Mike Myers was paired with West for a 90-second segment that began with Myers speaking of Katrina's devastation. Then, to Myers' evident surprise, West began a rant by saying, "I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food."
While allowing that "the Red Cross is doing everything they can," West — who delivered an emotional outburst at the American Music Awards after he was snubbed for an award — declared that government authorities are intentionally dragging their feet on aid to the Gulf Coast. Without getting specific, he added, "They've given them permission to go down and shoot us."
After he stated, "George Bush doesn't care about black people. Please call _" the camera cut away to comedian Chris Tucker.
Concluding the hour a few minutes later, Lauer noted that "emotions in this country right now are running very high. Sometimes that emotion is translated into inspiration, sometimes into criticism. We've heard some of that tonight. But it's still part of the American way of life."
Then the entire ensemble performed "When the Saints Go Marching In."
In a statement, NBC said, "Kanye West departed from the scripted comments that were prepared for him, and his opinions in no way represent the views of the networks.
"It would be most unfortunate," the statement continued, "if the efforts of the artists who participated tonight and the generosity of millions of Americans who are helping those in need are overshadowed by one person's opinion."
Friday's program was the first of several TV benefits planned through next weekend.
NBC and the five other major commercial broadcast networks, along with PBS, plan to unite next Friday for a special. The same night, BET will air a benefit. And on Saturday, Sept. 10, the MTV networks will air a special.
The ignorance is just amazing. But I guess intelligence and wisdom aren't requirements for being rich and famous.
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:lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
HA HA HA HA HA
The photos were snoped. I've seen it all!
But don't beleive them. This whole rescue effort was delayed because the peopel were black. Everyone down there hates black people...that's common knowledge. THose pictures you see of white National Guardsmen and other resucers aren't actually helping them.
President Bush himself was jumping up and down on a beach in africa and it's those ripples that became the hurricane.
I swear the left is going to pay politically for their insensativity towards this situation.
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Originally posted by mauser
Now this is just stupid:
The ignorance is just amazing. But I guess intelligence and wisdom aren't requirements for being rich and famous.
here is the video
http://www.putfile.com/leech.php?n=videos/24420044548.wmv
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Yep, I saw the video clip on CNN. Mike Myers looked kinda lost for the most part, nodding slightly a couple times in the beginning, and then after the reference to the President, he looked even more blank/lost. After they cut over to Chris Tucker, he had that "did he just say that?" look on his face.
[sarcasm]I'm sure the President hates Condi, and Powell for example. Oh yeah, according to Harry Belafonte those two are just house slaves. Never mind then. [/sarcasm]
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It does not matter what the truth is, if Jesse Jackson says we were slow in helping the people in NO because they were mostly black then you know that must be the reason.
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I'm pretty sure that wasn't Jesse Jackson. He's older. ;)
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I saw Jackson on CNN (Commie News Network) and he was saying the same thing that that Rap Pooper said.
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Wake up people. This is liberalism at it's finest. Blame racism for all your problems and you can excuse anything. YOu never have to go through life with any type of real responsibility. All you have to do is elect guys that keep promising you help because of your color and that cry fowl every time something happens the viscious cylcle will continue.
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I'm awake.
So are mosta the rest of us.
Still wondering what the fix is. Coupla suggestions that conserve ammo might be nice.