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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mussie on September 03, 2005, 03:16:28 AM
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Hey PPL
I have got a good handle on the Nik Fm2 and D11 but I want to start flying the the P38.
I have a couple of query's on the 38.
1- Which version is the best dog fighter
2- What is its strengths
3- What are its weaknesses
4- Any tips....
Thanks All
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1...The G is prob the best dogfighter, thiouh I fly the J
2... Climb,,,,,Guns and the fact that they have no convergence issues, Vertical ACM, and the real 367th flew em, can rearm like an
Indy car pit stops
3... Fighting side to side,,,rolling type fights, scissors, pilot wounds
compression in dive, views
4...I use it for Jabo,,,and then become fighter
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Thanks cooley but what do you mean by "Fighting side to side"
Mussie
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it has a slow roll rate if ya dont know it well.
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Depends what your looking for.
The 38L is usually my ride because its better for furballs with being able to get out easier. The reason that is because it had dive flaps so you dont compress as quickly when diving compared to the other 3s.
The 38J i fly occasionally depending on the situation. The 38J is more mobile that the 38L but it doesnt dive as well.
The 38G, I use when against a cv, is the most mobile but it lacks the speed that the other 38s have and it doesnt have wep. If you dont mind the windshield its a great plane.
It all depends on the situation you are going into.
P.S. Dont disgrace the 38s by only using the 38s for ground pounding especially the 38L. :aok
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PL
Rolls great, turns great, both super fast and super slow.
But like Hora said, it depends on what you're looking for.
I like the control at high speeds with the L. Trim works good for th PJ, but it works better for the L, and the L likes to roll at higher speeds than does the other two. Its got alot of what I like.
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I prefer the J or g to the L in ah, some how powered ailerons feel really odd to me with current role rate code.
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I like L, I personally think it dogfights better than a G and I've not noticed the J being more manouverable.
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So from what I am reading here, over all the L is the better dog fighter. but the J is more maneuverable.
Thanks all
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i recommend putting some time in the G...you will appreciate it later.
~S~
for a fighter that is.
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If your going to B&Z use a 38 L or J, but just watch the speed you dive in the J, because she gets a little hoggish at speed, mainly in the roll rate area.
G is a good plane to fly if your not in a hoarde, you can tangle with spits and just about anything else when you start to get the hang of it.
Your best bet is just to fly all of them, and see what which one you like to use givin the situations.
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Teh PW-38 pwns in the pilot wound area. No other plane is even close.
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What Lazer said.
The L is the over all better of the three. It has boosted aileron controls and dive flaps, which really aid it in high and low/stall speed maneuvering.
The J is slightly faster than the L but not in any significant way that it's an advantage. The J is slightly more maneuverable than the L but it does pay for it by being a tad more sluggish in rolls and transient turns. It also carries a lighter ordnance payload, 2 1,000lb bombs and 6 3.5in Bazooka rockets.
The G is the slowest of the lot but the best turning of the 3. It like the J model, it doesn't have dive flaps but unlike both the J and L it does not have WEP. Carries the same ordnance package of the J model.
As with all P-38 models, it is best to keep the fight in the vertical as much as possible and using nose low turns. The P-38 has big rudders, use them to aid your rolls especially in the J and G models.
As with all P-38s, be careful when diving. The L has dive flaps which will aid in the dive recovery but the J and G don't have them, so you need to take care in dives. Don't worry about entering compressability though, as long as you stay below 20,000ft you won't enter into a compressability state. You'll just hover below the threshold and still retain control of the craft, albeit sluggish controls due to the buffeting you experience at high speeds. Use your throttle and rudders to aid in controlling you speed in dives.
FLAPS, FLAPS, FLAPS, FLAPS! Get to know them, get to love them, get to know how and when to use them.
Auto-retracting flaps - GAY! Stupid, hand holding, coddling, gamey feature that should be removed except for the planes that has such a feature. Watch out for it, as it can throw you into a very difficult snap spin to recover from.
Ammo load...I know there is some debate to this about whether or not taking a lighter ammo load out will aid you're maneuverability. Personally, I think it's bullcrap. Why hinder yourself with a lighter ammo load? Take the full ammo load, any claims that it hinders your maneuverability is utter hogwash as the lighter load does not give you any advantage. And if you're as a crappy shot as I am, every round you can get your grubby hands, the better.
And remember...while not a master of one particular jog, the P-38 does them all very well. It is a good E fighter, turn fighter and attack plane. You really need get to know the strengths and weaknesses of the Lightning and imparitive that you learn the same about the other planes. Part of being successful in the P-38 (or in any other plane for that matter) is to be able to take advantage of the weakness of your foe's plane in order to negate the weaknesses of yours. For example, if I get into a fight with a Spitfire Mk IX or N1K2, I am not going to turn fight with them at medium speeds. Why? Because at medium speeds the Spitfire Mk IX and the N1K2 turn and maneuver better than the P-38. So instead, I'll try and keep the fight fast or drag them down into a low/stall speed fight, where the P-38 has a slight edge over both planes.
While a lot of us kid and joke about the P-38 being an EZ-Mode plane, it's really a challenging plane to fly and that's what makes the P-38 such a joy to fly.
Search the AH message boards for P-38 tips and films. I know I've posted quite a bit of tips on the boards as well as Murdr. You can also visit the 479th website (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/) and check out our extensive collection of P-38 films, probably the single largest collection of AH films for the P-38. Also be sure to read Murdr's PJ University lectures. If any of the films on the 479th show a dead link, be sure to tell me so I can fix the link.
ack-ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
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Mussie, I fly the L and J. You have a very hard time beating the L at 20k+. The ord package is great for JABO, but it is best if you don't try it from more than 10k in a steep dive. There is compression from 20k!
I like the J more for low level dive bombing and in real life it was better. Yea, the L has dive brakes, but they aren't that great and only used as a last resort.
The biggest problem I see with the 38 is the pilot wound! Very seldom do I get one in other planes, but at least 2 a day with the 38.
In short there are so many pluses, you just have to try it and work out what works best for you. I know you will love it.
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I am currently playing around with testing out climb times. Dont think anyone is interested in that, but according to the p38 i can say:
Wep climbing from 15 to 25k altitude with moderate fuel load (>26 mins of fuel at mil power on 15k, ta so 1.0 fuel burn):
P47N 3:05
F4U4 3:10
Spit9 3:20
109G2 3:25
P38J 3:30
P51B 3:35
P38G 4:05 (only 24mins fuel left)
P38j climbs good and at high altitudes it climbes verry good.
Also note that the G packs less fuel, so 50 percent in a G is less fuel than in a J.
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Originally posted by Gato
Mussie, I fly the L and J. You have a very hard time beating the L at 20k+. The ord package is great for JABO, but it is best if you don't try it from more than 10k in a steep dive. There is compression from 20k!
No, the P-38 will not enter into compressability below 20,000ft. However, like other planes, it will experience buffeting from high speeds that will make the controls sluggish and at too high of a speed unresponsive because the forces needed to move the stick are too great because of the airflow over the wings. This is not compressability, although a lot make that mistake and confuse the two. Decreasing throttle and using rudders is enough to get you out of a buffet and you'll soon figure out how to maintain a dive up to 500mph and retain control.
I like the J more for low level dive bombing and in real life it was better. Yea, the L has dive brakes, but they aren't that great and only used as a last resort.
In real life, the L model was the best of all of the P-38s.
The P-38L had dive flaps, not dive brakes. The intent of the dive flaps was not to increase drag to slow the plane down but to change the air flow over the wings and give the P-38 positive lift to aid in dive recovery. The dive flaps were even used by some pilots as a high speed combat flap to aid them in high speed turns but had to be retracted as soon as the turn was complete otherwise they'd bleed off too much E. And the dive flaps were not used as a last resort. They were also effective in real life and they are also effective in AH.
ack-ack
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Thanks for the replies ppl especially Ack Ack, Yours was the sort of specific info I was hoping for.
I took the 38L for a few spins today I got 2 kills and 2 deaths not bad for a plane I rarely fly.
The buffet at 500 was not expected and I was worried it would break-up.
I got a kill on a Spit V (I think it was a Spit V) in a turn fight. I did not expect the 38 to manage that either.
I normally fly the P47 for Jabo but it just doesn't handle like the 38 once the ORD is gone and the 38 feels like it climbs a lot better,
My only gripe is the instruments, I am finding it hard to get a good view, But I guess you cant have it all
I think I will be using the 38 a lot more often.
Thanks for the link ACK ACK, I will check out the films and info from the 479th
Later Guys, Thanks again
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Teh PW-38 pwns in the pilot wound area. No other plane is even close.
Actually, the Ki-84 is also quite serious in pilot wounds.
Must be the damned, Japanese bubble canopy..
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typh is a dweeb plane close snap kills never fights always higher or running it no skill to be found in it.
while people complaining abot la7's this plane is much more dweeby.
i hate them easy 4x 20mm killers
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^that's why I love killing 2 engine whiners in my tyffie.
Espciallly after outturning them.
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Originally posted by TW9
funny u say this.. i have never ran into any of the uber-turdy8 pilots that didnt have an abundance of alt more than me.. In fact most fly in the 15-20k range..
i rarely fly that high because mostly i'll see 190s g10s and oh yes 38s up there.. planes i really dont want to get into it with at that alt..
usually safer to fly under them since they are pretty passive for the most part in their attempts to boom ya and dont want to lose too much off their all important alt..
My experience is the same TW9. There are exceptions like Dan and Corky who are nearly always down in the weeds furballing with the 38, but the large majority are not a threat since I dont fly at their typical fighting alt.
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In fact most fly in the 15-20k range..
whats funny is, anytime im flyin with my squad...or me by myself...10k is my cruising alt...only time i go above is when fight takes me above.
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I fly my 38 at 10k or less most of the time. The only time I go higher is when I'm escorting bombers. Then the fun begins when two or three try to move with me that high.
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Ya.. think most of us level off at 10 or 12k, unless we are flying with odds highly against us, or people are b&z'n us.
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mussie cant open a can of fosters let alone fly a 38 mate.
To be dinkum with ya, he is no more than a jakeroo with his knackers in a bunch.
Mussie is a Grouse of a friend but he is in the dunny when it comes to the 38, but not to be a Raw Prawn, but im sure he will give it a fair go.
dinkum
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Originally posted by Grits
Teh PW-38 pwns in the pilot wound area. No other plane is even close.
You don't fly the Mossie do you?
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Originally posted by TW9
what the hell did he just say??? :confused:
Mussie can not open a can of fosters, how do you expect him to fly a P-38.
To be blunt, he is no more than a kid with his panties in a bunch.
Mussie is a great friend but he is in the bathroom when it comes to the P38, but no newb, I'm sure he will give it a good try.
That's the best I could do with the translation, not sure about a few of those Aussie terms.
Mossie falls apart no matter where you hit it.
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not bad for a guy from Jerzey.:rofl
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Originally posted by Gato
The biggest problem I see with the 38 is the pilot wound! Very seldom do I get one in other planes, but at least 2 a day with the 38.
I have a sure-fire method of eliminating pilot wounds....
I don't let them shoot me.
Works every time... ;)
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I have a sure-fire method of eliminating pilot wounds....
I don't let them shoot me.
Works every time... ;)
My regards,
Widewing
Your a better man than I <>:confused: :aok :huh :D
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Originally posted by Karnak
You don't fly the Mossie do you?
Not if I can avoid it.
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Doobs was making reference to the Aussie Slang I posted on our Squad talk board
Doobs
Aussie Slang (http://www.humour.com.au/joke.php?id=561&listtype=4&catid=24)
Thats not our board BTW
And Screw fosters, give me a XXXX (four X) gold anyday
Fosters: A Beer we export but dont drink
Dinkum: Genuine or honest. (but we normally sa "Fair Dinkum")
Grouse: Means excellent.
Dunny: Toilet
Raw Prawn: A con or Scam
Give it a fair go: Doing your best
Later All
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Originally posted by mussie
buffet at 500 was not expected and I was worried it would break-up.
Ive never stressed a 38 to the point of breaking in over 10,000 kills worth of flying it in AH. I know in one of the films posted in the 479th Library (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=20) I advertised combat speeds ranging from 85-505 mph :)
I missed this thread, but it looks like everyone had things covered.
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Fly a 109 and watch the 38's flee in terror.
:D
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ummm Stang...what 38s are you fighting? :confused:
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Probably fully loaded toolshed killing horde dweebs... the guys who mess up the ENY on your bird heh.
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Originally posted by killnu
ummm Stang...what 38s are you fighting? :confused:
Probably mine KillnU.
<- dives for the drink and runs away often.
;-)
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Frazzy called my Shuffler when i got really good in 38g:D
w000000000000t!!!!
Was along time ago now im just a newb:(