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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Siaf__csf on September 04, 2005, 11:16:17 AM
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The previous thread got locked due to hijack - so I'll reply you in here.
You posted some quotes from studies of problems associated with the unification of east and west germany.
As you well know, east germany was a totalitarian communist state untill the moment it unified with the west. The class differences there are huge - the other side drives with mercedeses and the other side barely affords trabants. The differences do not end there. In a sense, the east germanese are the 'black minority' of USA within germany. Large unemployment, low income, very low capital and communist time education and attitudes.
End of news flash.
I feel like repeating myself, although with different posters: Please explain how the big and anticipated problems relating to unification of germany are supposed to represent general european situation? The singular problems you posted do not affect any area outside east germany - which is not a place I'd want to be regardless of them.
So no rose colored glasses here, just a whack and a miss from Ripsnort.
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he was attempting to illustrate that problems with violent gang youth is not a soley american one.. and I too get the impression you wear rose colored yerope glasses and miss few opportunites to hop on the "it's their own fault, they have a degenerate society because of lax gun control.." bandwagon.
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After 15 years, I think the east are driving "da Benzes" and the west are driving the Trabants.
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Hangtime I'm sorry but you simply can't compare apples to oranges. The whole former soviet union is a gigantic clustered **** with inherent soviet time problems.
They do not represent western europe in any imaginable way. Ex commies are ex commies.
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You can't? I thought you were comparing Scandinavia, and Europe in general to the US.
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Why compare ? we knew we are better ,modest and certainly never arrogant ...
:p
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SOB you missed the point - former communist countries can't be used as reference points to anything.
I might aswell post a study of the current state of NO and claim the US is nothing but a starving and dehydrating bunch of looters.
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YOu made this statement:
Our society is that much more peaceful
Yes, world history teaches us this :huh :rofl
But lets examine the present.
I posted 3 separate stories about youth violence, and you chose to focus on just one, East/West Germany.
Here is another example in Finland:
http://www.alli.fi/nuorisotutkimus/julkaisut/virtanen/1/13.html
Now, do your homework, go to Google and type in "Youth Violence in XXXXXX" whereas XXXXXX is any European country. I assure you that you will find that Europe, combined with soccer thugs, has more violence than the US per capita. Prove my statement wrong.
I will make this statement: Our sports society is that much more peaceful than Europe. ;)
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Umm where in that link did they say how frequent these things were? How many people were killed in incidents? How many of those incidents were gun related?
That study dealt with 'racial attacks' such as calling names or bullying someone on the street. In fact the study mentioned a line: there is no current legislation for this kind of crime. That means that the said 'crimes' are not even crimes under current legislation. It's talking about harassment.
'In recent years, the public debate has focussed on the question of whether criminal sentences for racist violence are appropriate.'
Thats about lightyears away from your gangbanging, uzi wielding crackdealers.
The researchers agree:
However, the potential for violence may be reduced by decreasing the availability of guns and other weapons (Rosenbaum 1988), or by increasing surveillance by personnel at amusement places or by privately employed groups of guards.
If random incidents caused by marginal groups such as skinheads are the best you can find, scandinavia is doing really well.
Your quote one:
Half of the crimes were committed in the former East Germany,
Post number two:
Right-wing violence against foreigners in Germany has increased dramatically over the last year. The situation is particularly dangerous for foreigners living in eastern Germany
Two out of three.. that counts out like most to me.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I posted 3 separate stories about youth violence, and you chose to focus on just one, East/West Germany.
In the case the French one (the only one I can pretend to know) there was never murder.
It would be more honest to compare death by gun per 100 000 but we all know the USA is a more violent society.
btw youd quote had some gem inside :)
Like this one :
Correspondents say that youth violence in many cities across France has usually occured in poor immigrant neighbourhoods with high unemployment.
We tried our best to have riots murders or looting in the richest part of Paris (like the XVI) or Auteuil but unfortunatly without succes as the young were buzy playing golf or polo...
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Was pondering that the other day--I have NEVER seen any sort of study/documentary here in the states about the trials/tribulations of what happened after the celebrations ended when the wall went down...I presumed the conclusions that would be drawn from it aren't what liberal main-stream journalism would want to focus on...East German folks HAD to be decades behind the West in almost every category imaginable, and would they EVER be able to find ANYthing in common? I imagine a similar scenario would be found if the lucky people who escaped South Vietnam were to be re-united with their former countrymen--well, the ones who werent't summarily executed when Saigon fell.
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Originally posted by straffo
In the case the French one (the only one I can pretend to know) there was never murder.
It would be more honest to compare death by gun per 100 000 but we all know the USA is a more violent society.
btw youd quote had some gem inside :)
Like this one :
We tried our best to have riots murders or looting in the richest part of Paris (like the XVI) or Auteuil but unfortunatly without succes as the young were buzy playing golf or polo...
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by straffo
Why compare ? we knew we are better ,modest and certainly never arrogant ...
:p
Well apart from us British types don't you know old boy! ;) :rofl :aok
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Originally posted by bj229r
Was pondering that the other day--I have NEVER seen any sort of study/documentary here in the states about the trials/tribulations of what happened after the celebrations ended when the wall went down...
Well thats no suprise!
;)
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If Ripsnort was a pilot, he'd fly helos with the US Coast Guard.
The US Coast Guard rocks!!!