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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Delirium on September 07, 2005, 08:24:14 AM
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Here is the specs for the new computer I've decided to put together. I was looking for a Northwood Pent 4 but I can't find one...
If you have any suggests for speed/price/use PLEASE feel free to correct me. :) This is likely my last computer for somet time and this is my FIRST build, ever.
I'll be taking my current system apart and (except for my sound card) be using it for my other system my nephew plays on.
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Case:Thermaltake XASER III V2000A Silver Computer Case With Side Panel Window - Retail
Power Supply:ATRIX PSCI-500BLK 500W Power Supply - Retail
CPU: up to $350 chip, need suggestions.
MB:ASUS P5WD2 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 955X ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Vid card: ATI 100-435513 Radeon X800XL 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
RAM: CORSAIR XMS 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System ... - Retail
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
Harddrive:Western Digital Caviar SE 320GB 3.5" Serial ATA150 - OEM
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I'm pretty sure that all Pentium 4s use Socket 478 motherboards.
Froogle for CPU (http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=3.0+Northwood+%22Pentium+4%22&btnG=Search+Froogle)
Socket 478 Motherboard. Comes with nice little programs. No PCIe through. (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813128231)
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Not from what I've been reading and checking out, tho most are EM64T.
Would anyone go Dual Core at this point? Is it worth the money? Is it extemely hard to set up? I would need to run Windows 64 for any 64 bit chip, right?
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Although I have a P4 3.0 right now, if I was going to build a new system today I would go AMD 64, WAAAAY more bang for your buck. Stay away from dual core if it will primarily be for AH.
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Originally posted by Grits
Although I have a P4 3.0 right now, if I was going to build a new system today I would go AMD 64, WAAAAY more bang for your buck. Stay away from dual core if it will primarily be for AH.
i second that thought ...
those prescott p-4's are a battle with heat and throttling back imo ...
if your gonna stay p-4 i'd suggest shoping for a northwood cpu .
yea run 64bit windows with the amd 64.
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Do a search on ebay for "northwood cpu".....always some available.....as always on ebay watch whom your buying from!
Bingo
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If the 64s are the way to go, whats the best/most economical in the way of AMD 64s?
I really welcome all advice, I don't want to make costly mistakes building this.
I appreciate the time. :)
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I'm looking at these two AMD chips instead of the Pent 4 in lieu of recommendations.
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Venice 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3800BPBOX - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103531
AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA4000BNBOX - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103529
What MB would you recommend? Is SLI worth the money? I was going to get a single ATI 800xl.
Whats the difference between the Venice and the San Diego chips?
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My brother just got an MSI neo 4 sli platinum with two 7800. Works real smooth. I'd prob get an sli board because it can run 1 or 2 cards. Well as long as they are nvidea anyway.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Delirium
Is SLI worth the money? I was going to get a single ATI 800xl.
IIRC (don't quote me...) SLI is a nVidia technology. It joins two video cards together to combine their GPUs and RAM.
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Originally posted by Delirium
AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA4000BNBOX - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103529
Whats the difference between the Venice and the San Diego chips?
Get the second one. The San Diego core has twice the cache the Venice has, although either would be a great choice in the "bang for buck" catagory.
This is just me, but I would not get PCI-E right now if you have a pretty decent AGP card. It will be a while before PCI-E becomes dominant. AH is not very sensitive in the video card area, CPU horsepower is the single most important part of a computer being built with mostly AH in mind.
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I just noticed you have an FX5700 video card, in which case I would go PCI-E. it would be worth the extra $ for a new video card in that case.
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bang for the buck c.p.u? mid range 939 amd64 will hang with/surpass anything but the most expensive intel (not lookin for a debate, don't think there is one) everthing else is fine(may have fewer problems with some other brand of sound card, but i gave up on sound blaster and get better perfprmance, barely, with my on board.)
MSI k8t neo mobo
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There are several socket types for the P-4 processor, There is the LGA 775 or Socket T, and the Socket 478 that can use either the northwood or prescott cores. The Socket T has a pinless processor design where all the pins are actually in the socket in the motherboard. If you go to http://www.pricewatch.com you can still find socket 478 northwood processors for sale at various business which will be listed lowest cost including shipping to highest. Depending on what you prefer the p-4 and amd based boards are great and both offer awesome performance. I am currently running a P-4 3.2 extreme edition but am getting ready to build a new amd based system just for *****s and giggles.
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How does this look? It looks like I will be running the single sli based vid card until I can put more money together.
Again, I am more than open to suggestions and thanks for your time :)
(sort of waiting for Skuzzy to pipe in as well).
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case: Thermaltake XASER III V2000A Silver Computer Case With Side Panel Window - Retail
Power Supply:ATRIX PSCI-500BLK 500W Power Supply - Retail
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA4000BNBOX -
Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe ATX AMD Motherboard
vid card: PNY VCG6800GXPB Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail (just a single for now)
Ram: CORSAIR XMS 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System ... - Retail
Soundcard: Soundblaster 2 zs
Hard drive: Maxtor DiamondMax 10 300GB 3.5" Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
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Btw, I forgot to add that I may complain about the community in here, but we seem to really come out to help one another.
HUGE thumbs up! :aok
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looks good:aok
that CPU plainly rocks...would get one if i could afford it
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Originally posted by Delirium
1GHz FSB
:eek:
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As much as I want to go SLI NVidia for this, I may end up going ATI instead, mostly because of the problems the 64 AMD/NVidia are having in AH.
I was really hoping Skuzzy would pop in and give a heads up on the problem in the sticky above.
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Del, that is only an issue with the X2 dual core CPU's, which your San Diego 4000 is not. You will have no issues like that with your CPU.
Having said that, SLI is overkill for AH, its much more CPU dependant. A single 6800 or 7800 card will not get pushed 100% by your CPU at this point.
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Thanks Grits! I guess I had to look closely at the problem, which I didn't :P
Well, time to burn some plastic, going to order this bad boy.
Thanks all, once again!
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Deli, I did not comment as I do not use AMD and cannot recommend any Intel CPU right now either.
It's a bad time to need to build a system, from my perspective.
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Np, Skuzzy :)
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Originally posted by Delirium
How does this look? It looks like I will be running the single sli based vid card until I can put more money together.
Again, I am more than open to suggestions and thanks for your time :)
(sort of waiting for Skuzzy to pipe in as well).
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case: Thermaltake XASER III V2000A Silver Computer Case With Side Panel Window - Retail
Power Supply:ATRIX PSCI-500BLK 500W Power Supply - Retail
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA4000BNBOX -
Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe ATX AMD Motherboard
vid card: PNY VCG6800GXPB Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail (just a single for now)
Ram: CORSAIR XMS 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System ... - Retail
Soundcard: Soundblaster 2 zs
Hard drive: Maxtor DiamondMax 10 300GB 3.5" Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
Del please add links and prices to your list for those who might copy you:)
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You know my phone number, big boy :)
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Originally posted by Delirium
You know my phone number, big boy :)
Be careful how you talk. That could be a violation of BB rules. It could be considered "incitement":)
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No, that would be talking dirty to you while posting 'goatse' pics. :D
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stay away from PNY. they have quality control probs.
for a power supply check here they have 5 year warrenty and will backit up. had one go bad after 3 years and got free replacement no questions asked. if your not going sli get ine of the silencers.
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/home/
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Originally posted by JTs
stay away from PNY. they have quality control probs.
for a power supply check here they have 5 year warrenty and will backit up. had one go bad after 3 years and got free replacement no questions asked. if your not going sli get ine of the silencers.
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/home/
I build a lot of computers... mostly gaming systems and I wont use PNY products due to bad experiences with them in the past so I couldnt agree more.... I also couldnt agree more about the mention of AH being more cpu dependant as I am running an ATI X800 256mb pci express video card and AH only uses about 76mb of the video memory. I do like the ATI cards much better than the nVidias for the simple fact that I had to return an nVidia via RMA once and it took me almost 2 monthes to get the card back, I have never had to RMA an ATI card yet but from those I know who have they havent had anything bad to say about ATI's service and the return time was within 24 hours of them receiving it.:aok