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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on September 07, 2005, 04:09:56 PM
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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3340839
I would assume any society that is in survival mode would take great measures to arm themselves with what the market makes available to them in the aftermath of such an event.
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I believe that I asked in another thread if people here though that gun sales would go down or up or stay the same after this.
Why would this be? It would seem that guns would be proven to be an evil thing in the wake of katrina and that it is obvious that there is no need for them in any case since the government will protect you.
Those who wanted guns or permits and were refused... if they were mugged, raped or looted in katrina... I would think that they could sue the government for not allowing them their second amendment right to protect themselves or others. How much is that worth? Millions per case?
lazs
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One thing consistent with the anti-gun crowd is that they'll selectively use the events of the past week to suit their own agenda. I suppose all groups do that to an extent, but in this case, they'll say that the message of Katrina is that guns hurt people.
There will be, I suspect, a curious silence on the subjects of:
* Law enforcement providing all the protection you need.
* The number of non-firearm related attacks/muggings.
* Instances where gun owners protected themselves and their families.
etc, etc.
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One thing consistent with the pro-gun crowd is that they'll selectively use the events of the past week to suit their own agenda. I suppose all groups do that to an extent, but in this case, they'll say that the message of Katrina is that guns help people.
There will be, I suspect, a curious silence on the subjects of:
* Law enforcement providing some of the protection you need.
* The number of firearm related attacks/muggings.
* Instances where gun owners failed to protect themselves and their families.
etc, etc.
:D
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Originally posted by Chairboy
There will be, I suspect, a curious silence on the subjects of:
* Law enforcement providing all the protection you need.
* The number of non-firearm related attacks/muggings.
* Instances where gun owners protected themselves and their families.
etc, etc.
I beleive it will be business as usual at a much accelerated pace by the anti-gunners. They will just take the chance to put a spin on everything as usual and use the opportunity to preach to those that are uncapable of thinking for themselves.
Example : " If Junya hadn`t been exposed to readily available guns in such extreme circumstances he would never had went into that shooting, looting spree. Now , not only was he left exposed to the elements, scared and confused, he will now suffer the trauma of what guns can do. He will more than likely have to have a lifetime of mental therapy and be unable to function on a normal level. State and Federal government now have the responsibility to see that he is treated for his trauma and supported the rest of his life."
:)
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Just bought a new shotgun for dove hunting...
Mossberg 835...
Beauty...
:aok
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my uncle lives across the road from sum evacuees at a 4h club. He said that they have crowd control probs and can barely keep em in tha camp. Last night he fired half a clip of tracers over the heads of sum of em that where in his corn. So not everything is a rumor. luckily he didnt have to pop any of em to get em to run off.:aok
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police come after the crime has been commited
you can play both sides of the game..until your dead
Guns are the ultimate equalizer..no matter size or physical ability
I would really like to know if any guns were stolen from stores that sell them?
this is a good anti-looting rifle..also comes handly with a nice machette to cut away debris'
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Originally posted by DJ111
Just bought a new shotgun for dove hunting...
Mossberg 835...
Beauty...
:aok
Grats bud. Now go out there and outshoot wabbit. :)
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
police come after the crime has been commited
you can play both sides of the game..until your dead
Guns are the ultimate equalizer..no matter size or physical ability
I want to know why those guns were not secured......if there was whole sale looting of armories Did any
this is a good anti-looting rifle..also comes handly with a nice machette to cut away debris'
OMG that has a bayone stub with a bayonet on it. That means it's an "ASSAULT WEAPON" THATS DANGEROUS! ;)
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"OMG that has a bayone stub with a bayonet on it. That means it's an "ASSAULT WEAPON" THATS DANGEROUS!"
Looks like he might poke someone's eye out, yanno?
J_A_B
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Heh, I use one of those AK bayonets as a hunting knife. Just replaced the tang with a custom one and viola! 5 bucks at a gun show, kickin thing is the built in sharpener in the sheath. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Grats bud. Now go out there and outshoot wabbit. :)
He got 4, I only got 2...
He stole one of mine though....
:huh
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Originally posted by DJ111
Just bought a new shotgun for dove hunting...
Mossberg 835...
Beauty...
:aok
does a nice job on turkey out to 80m with the 3-1/2" shells too. don't forget to pull it tight to the shoulder. your cheek may hurt from the recoil as well. :D
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skuzzy... I think those of us in the gun culture will simply point out that when push comes to shove... People want to have the means to protect themselves...
It is something that comes natural to people like wanting free speech and all that other junk the constitution identifies as human and inalienable "rights".
It is a right that is frought with resposibility and potential problems so it is one that most people put way to the back of their mind... They try not to think of it... like that full physical they put off... Things like katrina have allways been a wake up call.... like a friend dying of prostate cancer makes you call for an appointment.
Cops may indeed stop you from being a victim if they happen to come by just at the right moment or if you saturate the area with them (and their guns) but it seems like a long shot to bet your life or families on in the first instance and abhorent in the latter (police state).
My point was that these events make people realize that they alone are responsible for controling the ability to defend themselves... these events do not make everyone run out throw away the evil firearms as being the problem. People don't just say... "Well.... the police/government will protect me... I don't need to take the responsibility."
In the end... It isn't even the cops that that will deter the thugs but the guns the cops carry.
lazs
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Originally posted by DJ111
He got 4, I only got 2...
He stole one of mine though....
:huh
Kill stealing! :)
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again... there are 75,000,000 people in the U.S. that will admit to being gun owners... this in spite of the government telling us how evil firearms ownership is and putting more and more restrictions on them every day...
the restrictions and the lying about how gun laws have made us all safe from the bad guys may slow the growth of the amount of legal and admitted gun owners but....
none of the laws or rhetoric hold up or stop people from buying guns when they see that the government and police really can't do what they claim and make you safe. every disaster or riot makes the case for gun control weaker on a personal level for people...
even the staunchest supporters of gun control think it is something that they want for...... everyone else.
lazs
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Once again:
http://www.a-human-right.com/
An ex-soviet who emigrated to the USA values the freedoms we take for granted more than many who were born here.
That is all.
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I can hear it now...
If the guns store in New Orleans had been banned in the firt place the looters would have only stolen plasma-TVs not firearms. I'm sure the gangsters were completely unarmed until then and all the shooting took place only after the gun stores were ransacked. See the looters are actually just victims of the NRA!
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Law enforcement providing all the protection you need.
... only an illusion, even in a middle class bedroom community on a good day... let alone a major disaster.
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"There will be, I suspect, a curious silence on the subjects of:
* Law enforcement providing all the protection you need.
* The number of non-firearm related attacks/muggings."
I'll hang with all Police officers on the range.
A felony is a felony (armed or not armed).
Karaya
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Originally posted by Chairboy
That is all.
Probably not, but we can still dream. :)
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Originally posted by storch
does a nice job on turkey out to 80m with the 3-1/2" shells too. don't forget to pull it tight to the shoulder. your cheek may hurt from the recoil as well. :D
First time I fired, I had it about half an inch from my shoulder...
Mistake.
:eek:
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Originally posted by DJ111
First time I fired, I had it about half an inch from my shoulder...
Mistake.
:eek:
I'll bet it left a mark. I've had one since 1998 it's easily my favorite shotgun for results but the one I shoot the least.