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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 999000 on September 07, 2005, 04:47:36 PM
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I play the game a fair amount.....I read subject post like "perk the B24", and all this talk about dive bombing Bombers wrecking the game.... bombers bombers are the evil...........For some time I took this talk at face value... howerver been watching for some time now......... I don't see... or RARELY ever see what is so often talked about. It goes to show that if something is said over and over again most will beleive that it must be true. Truth howerer is in the ability of the premise to be demonstrated in fact..and the fact is I do not see this happening.....Things have gotten so bad that a few fighter pilots are no longer covert in their actions and motives ... but as in last night , demonstrate complete disregard in the most negative ways, overtly to anyone including their own team mates who are not the means to their own selfish ends.
They tell me honesty is the best policy: The truth I hope should not violate any AH rules :
999000
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I haven no idea what you're talking about as far as last night goes.
But main problems with bombers is this...
You have a set flying 15K (lets say), over a base, they took the time to get up there and fly ALL the way over there. Wouldnt it be a good idea to find out WHERE the bombs are needed?.......... Rather, I see time and time again... Guys in bombers dropping FH's, BH's (without a single plane trying to get up off the runway), while there's a goon waiting at the town which is up, and the VH is up with GV's pouring out like pissed off hornets.
and all this talk about dive bombing Bombers wrecking the game....
I have sat in the CV's 8 inch gun and blew you to smithereines probably 30-40 times, both you and tatertot, while you flew basicly INTO our CV. That shows no skill. Im sorry , but you asked. Wouldnt it be easier to just climb to 10k and drop the thing in a single pass? Much easier I say.
I was, and still am a big fan of bombers. I dont have the time to get up into them and fly them anymore but I like them none the less. I think they should be flown as such. With more than 500ft of air below their wings
Coming into a CV at 100ft off the deck, and pulling straight up just before the ack blows you to hell, release the bombs and hope they hit... That's just gay. Sorry, but you asked.
Its no different with FH's/BH's, VH's. Why not climb atleast to 5k? Maybe you dont do this 999, but I see god knows how many players, going into a base at 500ft off the runway and leveling hangers then blowing them selves up in the process. Then they want a congradulations for a job well done after they killed all the hangers.
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If you ain't seen it you ain't looked 1/2 as hard enough.
Low alt bombers are 10 a penny. Get on any Cv near a field with ammo up and 80 % of cons will be 100ft lancs / b24's. I have no objection to ju88's with torps or KI67's.. just the W*****s that drop torps and pull up over cv and drop bombs also. "Like that really happened..man"
Defend a field with 10 + cons inb and I'll guarantee at least 1 set of bombers at 500ft or lower.
As for folk gobbing off about hanger bangers....Ignore it becuase 1/2 the time these moaning fighter jokers are on the vulch of a pre arranged capture that they are selfishly unaware of. They can't see beyond their gun sites 1/2 of um but the ammo's down acks dead vh dead, town 1/2 dead and 15k+ bombers take out hangers & dot dar of a load of freindlies inb & goon text singing Paculiar Clarks "is town down"... " town down?" "is town down" (where all the lights are bright)
Low alt bomber freaks need teaching a leason and that leason should be F6 default for bombs away.
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I'm not sure I understand this thread, something bad happen last night?
Personally i don't really feel either way for buffs. I don't like flying them but i do enjoy shooting them down. This tour i've been doing an awful lot of anti-buff work + HQ CAP in the spit 14. I just felt like bit of a change to the usual furballing this tour.:)
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With all due respect trip9s (respected foe) I see this more often than I would like to. Now to drift off on a quasi-related tangent...
I was offline last night and relized just how porked the bomb bay model is in this game (at least for one bomber). Try this sometime. Take up a Lanc, open doors, fly inverted, drop ordinance. THEN you can see how there is a VERY large margin of error allowing pile-its to get away with about anything in level bombers.
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I've said this many times in many other posts...
When bombers take out the FHz, it does more that stop the vulching. It stops the fighting that was going on before the bombers got there. It makes the enemy come in even high than they were from another base. He|| it even slows down the capture because you're not hitting what needs to be hit to take the base. The Town. If you want to kill a hangar, kill the VH. That should the first thing down besides the ack at the base and in the town. The fighters can at least help against enemy planes. You kill the FHz and not the VH, you're taking the fighters out of the game.
Its to the point now, where the bombers arent getting the help that they should from the fighters (unless its a mission or squad op) because the fighters are tired of going to a fight and then 5 minutes later the hangars are down. Everyone wants to complain about the furballers, cuz they dont help take bases and what not. Well quit killing the fighter hangars, and maybe you'll get more help.
One more thing, you base grabbin' people... try not to pork the ord and troops at the base that you are about to take. It just prolongs the movement to the next base.
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Originally posted by 999000
I play the game a fair amount.....I read subject post like "perk the B24", and all this talk about dive bombing Bombers wrecking the game.... bombers bombers are the evil...........For some time I took this talk at face value... howerver been watching for some time now......... I don't see... or RARELY ever see what is so often talked about. It goes to show that if something is said over and over again most will beleive that it must be true. Truth howerer is in the ability of the premise to be demonstrated in fact..and the fact is I do not see this happening.....Things have gotten so bad that a few fighter pilots are no longer covert in their actions and motives ... but as in last night , demonstrate complete disregard in the most negative ways, overtly to anyone including their own team mates who are not the means to their own selfish ends.
They tell me honesty is the best policy: The truth I hope should not violate any AH rules :
999000
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Dude... I can't even understand that post. The divebombing does happen however. I've seen it 5 times and I only fly 2-3 hours a week.
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While I personally would rather have FH's always up and CV's never sunk so I can mindlessly furball endlessly 999, you are OK with me. CV's regenerate, other fights happen. Do what you like and dont worry about anything else.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Low alt bomber freaks need teaching a leason and that leason should be F6 default for bombs away.
I whole heartedly agree with this statement and I'm a bomber pilot. Granted I havent flown them much lately but they are what brought me to this game. I dont even have a problem with low alt bombing as long as the Heavies are dropping their bombs from the F6 position.
The diving right before target and dropping really has to go. Half the time those that dive on their target get blown up by their own bombs blast. There is one pilot I have shot down on more than a few occasions and thats all he does. I figure at some point it has to get boring but then again since its all he seems to know how to do I guess it doesnt for him.
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I call BS.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Low alt bomber freaks need teaching a leason and that leason should be F6 default for bombs away.
I agree 100%.
Not a shot at you 9's but the tree top Lancs/24's are lame as hell.
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I'm with grits, Do as you please, does not matter anyway. Someone, some where is gunna whine about something, its a fact of AH. If you or anyone else tries to Play this Game the way everyone wants, no telling how the hell your supposed to play.
One minute some person is yelling "kill the hangers", next general guy is yelling "dont kill the hangers". Then 1 lone la7 upps and kills goon or m3 or troops, everyone is yelling why didnt you kill the hangers, 20 guys capn a field, 1 of the 20 yells whos porkn the field, 1 of the 20 yells kill the ord.
One mission is going to take a field, mission leader says kill the whole damn field, you get there and the guys already there say dont kill the whole field, who in the f*** is porking. Go through all this and ack is still up. Try to take a base with out killing nothing is fine , til you lose the vulching cap, then everyone says maybe we should have killed hangers, VH, and all.
Then you have the defenders of the base you were tring to take saying, "ummmm send some more attackers last batch were defective" :) thats alway funny stuff!
Besides all that you get the: hey p51 why you running? ... hey p51 why you turn and HO me? .... hey la7 why you run from il2? hey you wussie la7 driver your a big man killing a il2! ... hey why do you have to vulch? ... hey who didnt vulch that la7? it killed the troops! .. hey what a sissy has to vulch my la7 on ground! .... hey all they do is pork every field! .... hey who didnt kill the ord and troops at a23? .... hey who in the hell porked a23 we were gunna take that field!.... hey how did you kill me? ... hey nice warp!.... hey why B&Z?... hey nice kill I was afk you loser! .... hey get out of the wussie osty and fly ya loser! hey get back in your osty and play ya ho'er! Hey fly a real plane! hey nice ram! hey nice shot from 800 out hacker! hey this hey that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and many more, to many to type. go figure!
Forget tring to please anyone on AH, theres always someone gunna cry about something, go on about your business and enjoy yourself. There is BLAH BLAH BLAH!
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QHUAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
oh crap.
wrong topic.
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I'm having a blast this tour with bombers!Mostly B24's and lancs..Hitting cities,strats and towns...Getting up to 17k and calling out to squaddies/countrymen "what needs slammin?"..Or callin out a feild and laying waste to most of the town in 2 passes...Then along come yer buddies to kill vh and cap.
A buff(or two) leading the way in hellish fun!
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I'm having a blast this tour with bombers!Mostly B24's and lancs..Hitting cities,strats and towns...Getting up to 17k and calling out to squaddies/countrymen "what needs slammin?"..Or callin out a feild and laying waste to most of the town in 2 passes...Then along come yer buddies to kill vh and cap.
A buff(or two) leading the way in hellish fun!
that's the way it's done. :aok
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lol..i bet u'd have an easy time convincing Lazs of that..:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Scrap
With all due respect trip9s (respected foe) I see this more often than I would like to. Now to drift off on a quasi-related tangent...
I was offline last night and relized just how porked the bomb bay model is in this game (at least for one bomber). Try this sometime. Take up a Lanc, open doors, fly inverted, drop ordinance. THEN you can see how there is a VERY large margin of error allowing pile-its to get away with about anything in level bombers.
LOL that is awesome =)
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Originally posted by SirLoin
lol..i bet u'd have an easy time convincing Lazs of that..:rolleyes:
I dont see any problem with bombers, so long as they're used as such. What i hate is when people take them and ram them into the sides of ships dozens of times just to kill a CV and ruin a fight.
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There is & always has been 2 kinds of people who fly bombers. There are buff pilots and there are dweebs who fly bombers.
Good buff pilots wouldn't dream of dropping hangers as their first target. Not without being asked first. They are the ones asking 15 miles out what needs hitting at a field. They are the ones who upped 2 fields & 2 sectors back so they can come over the field at 15k.
Personally when I fly buffs I like strat targets. No one complains cause I screwed up the field they were about to capture.
No one gripes cause I shut down the fight they were enjoying.
What would help would be strat targets that are closer to a countrys border. So you have at least a chance to always have a target.
A couple of 5k fields back from the front lines a sector or 2.
Strat targets that are a bit bigger, designed for high alt carpet bombing.
Heck lets really go out on a limb here.
Lets have 2 sets of strat objects per country. Lets put them close to the border on each side of the center.
Lets put a medium field nearby so they can be defended!
Put them 2 wide down a valley (like the ruhr?) with HQ at the end.
Think of the fights that would be started!
Last, fighter pilots get their name in lights when they have a good run.
What do bomber pilots get?? nothing, nada, zip.
Gameid killed 16 SO (strat objects) or SOMETHING!
Let people see who the real Buff pilots are and learn from them.
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The only fun bombing is high alt. bombing. I remember when I was in ~Hells Angels~ Pigface Angry and I would always take B24s to 25-30K to a enemy HQ alot at like 3am. The 1-1 1/2 hours of doing nothing is well worth the 15-20mins of when the HQ is near and watching out for 163s. I remember once we took two sets of B24s and one set of lancs to a HQ NOE up to about 20 miles out then climbed up to 6k and level the place. that was one of the hardest missions Iv ever flown more then an hour of dodgeing trees and hills, but atlease we got alt before we bombed the target. And the 10K Ju88 raids on a CV with the JBz was really fun to.
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You pay your $15 and fly what and how you want.
They pay $15 and fly what and how they want.
For $15, we all get to complain if we choose.
No biggie.
HONK!
Gooss
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Originally posted by PK1Mw
I've said this many times in many other posts...
When bombers take out the FHz, it does more that stop the vulching. It stops the fighting that was going on before the bombers got there. It makes the enemy come in even high than they were from another base. He|| it even slows down the capture because you're not hitting what needs to be hit to take the base. The Town. If you want to kill a hangar, kill the VH. That should the first thing down besides the ack at the base and in the town. The fighters can at least help against enemy planes. You kill the FHz and not the VH, you're taking the fighters out of the game.
Its to the point now, where the bombers arent getting the help that they should from the fighters (unless its a mission or squad op) because the fighters are tired of going to a fight and then 5 minutes later the hangars are down. Everyone wants to complain about the furballers, cuz they dont help take bases and what not. Well quit killing the fighter hangars, and maybe you'll get more help.
One more thing, you base grabbin' people... try not to pork the ord and troops at the base that you are about to take. It just prolongs the movement to the next base.
I cannot believe I am going to say this but, this is the most intelligent post I've read on the BBS in a few months.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Westy
QHUAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
oh crap.
wrong topic.
No topic is unfit for a good QUAAAAAAHing.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by thrila
I'm not sure I understand this thread, something bad happen last night?
I got that impression, but apparently nobody's talking, probably out of fear of Rules #4, #5.
:D
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Just think, if you perked the B-24, some of the gamey aspects might, just might, get curbed a bit.
I don't mind the low Lancs because they have those small .303s for defense, which makes them meat on the table for just about anything except the Ju-87.
But the B-24s are faster and pack .50s out of every hole.
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Stupid furbalers. They took over this post and only talk about what they want :rolleyes: Why dont they think about what everyone else wants :confused:
Oh, wait a minute, it looks like they may be everyone else that likes to fight once in a while. Now that I think about it, there is only one person that does only one thing in this game. Its not sinking CVs or destroing FHs, and it is not killing a CV to prevent a capture or kill a VH to assist in a capture. What he does is stops fights. Because he will never drop a FH or CV when a fight is not going on. Yet, he does this in the interest of everyone else. There is nothing selfish about it. <> and thank you for carring.
PS. I would put in a request with HT for a fourth country cause we all know whats going to happen a few weeks from now.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I have sat in the CV's 8 inch gun and blew you to smithereines probably 30-40 times, both you and tatertot, while you flew basicly INTO our CV. That shows no skill. Im sorry , but you asked. Wouldnt it be easier to just climb to 10k and drop the thing in a single pass? Much easier I say.
Coming into a CV at 100ft off the deck, and pulling straight up just before the ack blows you to hell, release the bombs and hope they hit... That's just gay. Sorry, but you asked.
PWN3D!
Originally posted by PK1Mw
When bombers take out the FHz, it does more that stop the vulching. It stops the fighting that was going on before the bombers got there. It makes the enemy come in even high than they were from another base. He|| it even slows down the capture because you're not hitting what needs to be hit to take the base. The Town. If you want to kill a hangar, kill the VH. That should the first thing down besides the ack at the base and in the town. The fighters can at least help against enemy planes. You kill the FHz and not the VH, you're taking the fighters out of the game.
Its to the point now, where the bombers arent getting the help that they should from the fighters (unless its a mission or squad op) because the fighters are tired of going to a fight and then 5 minutes later the hangars are down. Everyone wants to complain about the furballers, cuz they dont help take bases and what not. Well quit killing the fighter hangars, and maybe you'll get more help.
One more thing, you base grabbin' people... try not to pork the ord and troops at the base that you are about to take. It just prolongs the movement to the next base.
TRUTH!
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What we need is a bunch of dedicated buff porkers. P47's or run-d's strafing ords from every field within 1 hour flight of border.
That'll teach them.
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First rule of AH Fight Club is never respond to a #'s guy.
GET A NAME DAMNIT:)
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I think the heart of the problem/issue/whatever is in a difference of opinion as to the point of the game.
Sure there are some people who probably derive pleasure from intentionally go out to ruin other peoples fun in one form or another.
I think the vast majority of people are participating in what they feel is the point of the game. Fighter guys or furballers just want to up their planes and spin around the sky chasing their tails and could care less about what field belongs to whom. I should know this is me most the time. The problem arises when a more strat minded person takes if upon themselves to help their chess piece take whatever particular real estate the fight happens to be near. To the fighter jocks this guy is ruining in the fight, killing the hangars, porking the fuel, etc. To the guy with the bombs he's just helping "win". There is no malice, it's just people playing the game in a different ways. The only time it becomes an issue is when the different goals come into conflict. Generally my sympathies lie with the fighter jocks, since I enjoy dogfights more than land grabbing and "winning the war". But just like I usually don't answer to the generals who need this field captured or that defended I don't expect other people to give up all that and play my way.
I would like to see some angle limitations on heavy bombs like lancasters (for example) to curb some of the more severe dive bombing.
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Originally posted by Soulyss
To the guy with the bombs he's just helping "win". There is no malice,
That is where the problem really is. Tell me you have a goon on the way and I will drop what I am doing to cover the goon, hit the city, protect the buffs (serten people calling us sellfish should remember how many times I helped them land) drop the VH, kill GVs, drag fighters away from the town/goon etc.
The buff thats comming in to a fight without any hint of a goon being on the way, no one working the town, gvs everywhere etc and drops the FHs and leaves to look for the next dar bar is either retarded or wants to stop the fight. Moreover, he does this for his personal sutisfuction (which is ok since he is paing his $15) and has no business calling other people selfish and bulies just because tehy stated that they did not like what he did.
PS (it seems that it needs to be said again. Killing to cv to stop a capture or droping the FH,VH etc to assist in a capture, is really thinking about helping others and winning the war. NO ONE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT!)
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999 is a class act. I have seen him up to defend a base many times even though it was "hopeless" He never whines about it he just does, what is needed.
I have never seen him dive bomb lancs or B24s. I find it hard to believe he would, do something gamey like that.
lastly, I have a simple solution or piece of advice to the buff drivers. Do what I do start asking 15-20 miles out what needs to be hit. If you don't get an answer, pull up the clipboard map and see if the VH is up. Drop that and the town. If you do not get an answer just assume as I do that the furball is raging and no help is wanted and there is not a push to take the base. but by dropping the VH you do not infringe on the fight.
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Just a few thoughts from a GVers Point of view.
I read one post here that stated to not take out FHs, but rather VHs. Let me see. Which can kill an M-3 or Goon quicker. An M-8 traveling at 60 mph? Or an La-7 traveling at 300 to 400 mph? Hummmm. Tough one. Cap the field you say? Wish I had a dime forever time the cap was lost and fighters swarmed out. If troops are reported close to the city, I am upping a fighter just as anyone else would. Taking out FHs etc. for no reason falls into the same category as Porking Troops/Supplies and Ords 2 sectors back by only one fighter. Or sending 5 F4Us or 5 P-47Ns out to pork an entire country. Sound familiar? Saw it two nights ago.
Dive bombing Buffs. I have been out in a Panzer and had a set of Lancs make repeated passes dropping 4 to 5 bombs per pass to kill my Panzer. On the 5th drop he finally took me out. Fair? Yes. How the Buffs were intended to be used? I think not. And to the Buff pilot that has to use 42,000 lbs. of bombs to kill a Panzer? You da Man.
999000 if you have never seen Buffs dive-bombing or doing an NOE drop, hang out at a GV base any night of the week. You will see plenty of it. I have seen buffs drop from so low that they kill themselves, and also seen them drop from lower than that with no damage at all. Go figure.
As I recall, not sure from where, bombs have to travel 1000 ft before arming. I foolishly thought that meant from an altitude of 1000 feet or greater above ground, not along it. Skip bombing was done but these bombs don't skip. And it was done VERY rarely.
I doubt anything will be done to correct this. It is just like one winged Typhys dropping bombs. Until HT makes a hard deck for buffs dropping ords, nothing will change.
Each side has its players that will use any advantage to kill without being killed. That is what the Dive Bombing buffs do. It is the best chance to kill without skill and not be killed. Got 3 buffs. If I drop 42,000 lbs. of bombs on this GV, I will get a kill and come home safe. He might get one or two buffs, but I will get him and land the kill. Same thing holds true for killing a building. Some buff pilots can't hit the ground from above 1000 feet with a bomb, let alone a VH. But at 300 feet and dropping a full load from 500 yards behind the VH to 500 yards beyond, they are bound to kill something.
It won't change unless HT makes it happen. I just don't see it. On the priority list, it doesn't even make the first 100 pages.
On the bright side, they sure are a lot easier to shot down. :aok
LTARsqrl
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I think the heart of the problem/issue/whatever is in a difference of opinion as to the point of the game.
Flying at 100 feet into a base or over a CV, only to die... Either from being blasted by ack, or by their own bomb blast.
What is the point in that?
There can be no valid point given to change my opinion... That it is just gay.
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I will give you that one Morph, I do find that sort of behavior rather annoying.
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Interesting that 1/3 of the responses is from one squad here the Bk's who are on the same team as the Rooks...
The most significant point I was making was not about the duality of the game as it pertains to the land grabbers vs the
furballs. nor did it really have anything to do with perspectives between the Rooks, Knights, and Bishops, and the good natured fights between them.
The issue for me is the "bulling" and degrading demonstrated by some who are on the Rooks to there fellow country men.
In the real world harrassment and negative work enviorments are
not legal or tolerated. ...there is a line.
friends and Foes alike
999000
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ZZZZZZZZZZ
Rerun
Rerun! Some faces are the same and some have changed.
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Originally posted by MadSquirrel
Just a few thoughts from a GVers Point of view.
I read one post here that stated to not take out FHs, but rather VHs. Let me see. Which can kill an M-3 or Goon quicker. An M-8 traveling at 60 mph? Or an La-7 traveling at 300 to 400 mph? Hummmm. Tough one. Cap the field you say? Wish I had a dime forever time the cap was lost and fighters swarmed out. If troops are reported close to the city, I am upping a fighter just as anyone else would. Taking out FHs etc. for no reason falls into the same category as Porking Troops/Supplies and Ords 2 sectors back by only one fighter. Or sending 5 F4Us or 5 P-47Ns out to pork an entire country. Sound familiar? Saw it two nights ago.
Dive bombing Buffs. I have been out in a Panzer and had a set of Lancs make repeated passes dropping 4 to 5 bombs per pass to kill my Panzer. On the 5th drop he finally took me out. Fair? Yes. How the Buffs were intended to be used? I think not. And to the Buff pilot that has to use 42,000 lbs. of bombs to kill a Panzer? You da Man.
999000 if you have never seen Buffs dive-bombing or doing an NOE drop, hang out at a GV base any night of the week. You will see plenty of it. I have seen buffs drop from so low that they kill themselves, and also seen them drop from lower than that with no damage at all. Go figure.
As I recall, not sure from where, bombs have to travel 1000 ft before arming. I foolishly thought that meant from an altitude of 1000 feet or greater above ground, not along it. Skip bombing was done but these bombs don't skip. And it was done VERY rarely.
I doubt anything will be done to correct this. It is just like one winged Typhys dropping bombs. Until HT makes a hard deck for buffs dropping ords, nothing will change.
Each side has its players that will use any advantage to kill without being killed. That is what the Dive Bombing buffs do. It is the best chance to kill without skill and not be killed. Got 3 buffs. If I drop 42,000 lbs. of bombs on this GV, I will get a kill and come home safe. He might get one or two buffs, but I will get him and land the kill. Same thing holds true for killing a building. Some buff pilots can't hit the ground from above 1000 feet with a bomb, let alone a VH. But at 300 feet and dropping a full load from 500 yards behind the VH to 500 yards beyond, they are bound to kill something.
It won't change unless HT makes it happen. I just don't see it. On the priority list, it doesn't even make the first 100 pages.
On the bright side, they sure are a lot easier to shot down. :aok
LTARsqrl
:aok
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You really need to get over the "fellow countrymen" bit.
Im nobody. Im just a guy playing a game for me. For fun. To kill fkr's.
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Okie dokie
This will be the 374th time I've said it.......
You want a game? OR a Sim?
Funny how so many guys just pick the planes apart about realistic this and realistic that. Yet just hop in a bomber fly 100' feet off the deck and WAH-LA, carpet bomb-insta-death on GV's and hangers.
Because you're definately NOT going to stop them with any AA fire that is presently in the game, trust me, we've tried.
Even if you manage to damage or even take them out, it's usually too late and they've already released their .salvo 50 worth of bombs {even tho their wings are no longer attached}
People will play as they like I guess:huh
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Originally posted by 999000
.....one squad here the Bk's ......
The issue for me is the "bulling" and degrading demonstrated by some who are on the Rooks to there fellow country men.
You see that is why you must leave the Darkside and come back to the Knights. I know there is good in you I can feel it. :aok
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I dont often see a battle start with just fighters. Normally a couple guys say "Lets go bomb A35". Once they start, guys logging on look for the dar bars. Seeing enemy at A35 they fly there. The bombers return on another mission to continue bombing, and then are told by the fighter guys (who mostly come without ord) to kill the VH or stay out.
If a guy wamts to fly to a base and bomb the FHs who are the other players to tell him he cant. That just makes me wanna bomb them even more. Usually if ripped on by a fellow player, I'll "go fishin", which is my phrase for dropping single 500lbers at the end of runway spawn points to kill spawning planes, over and over stealing the vulches from them. Im a stinka.
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Bombing is BROKE. Its one of the few things HT has managed to make worse over the years. Bombers have no real purpose in the MA. There are so few legitimate targets that make any real difference to the game. The only real targets for heavy bombers are the factories and such, and these have such a limited effect (theres an effect? ) that its worthless. It takes forever to climb to altitude, so its pretty frustrating that it takes so long to get no real reward....and speaking of reward, now that we have taken bumbers into the push button laser guided age, there is NO CHALLENGE.
No Challenge
No reward
No point
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I always do strat cities (aa, radar, troops, etc) with bombers. Anything else should be hit with Jabos, including towns.
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Strat has always been a good thing to bomb. Is the strat suply system back up and working like it is saposed to? Cities, factories ect... They all make a difference when it comes to base resuply and zones. Most of the players have no idea how it works or what all those buildings do. Even trains used to be worth killing when it came to hindering the resuply of a base.
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Originally posted by 999000
The issue for me is the "bulling" and degrading demonstrated by some who are on the Rooks to there fellow country men.
In the real world harrassment and negative work enviorments are
not legal or tolerated. ...there is a line.
friends and Foes alike
999000
So if you were enjoying a game of football with your friends, and some fat headed jerk walks onto the field, picks the ball up and walks off with it... you would keep quiet and calmly walk home without saying anything?
Because that is exactly what happens when someone bombs the hangars and takes the fun away - you have to expect that those playing at that field are going to be slightly miffed.
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Originally posted by Furball
So if you were enjoying a game of football with your friends, and some fat headed jerk walks onto the field, picks the ball up and walks off with it... you would keep quiet and calmly walk home without saying anything?
Because that is exactly what happens when someone bombs the hangars and takes the fun away - you have to expect that those playing at that field are going to be slightly miffed.
Bad analogy, furball. Here's a more accurate one: You are playing football, and enjoy defending against the passing game. The opposing team runs the ball a lot. Would you adapt, or whine about how their way of playing the game is somehow...wrong?
We already know the answer, by the way. Would you like some cheese with that?
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Originally posted by rshubert
Here's a more accurate one: You are playing football, and enjoy defending against the passing game. The opposing team runs the ball a lot. Would you adapt, or whine about how their way of playing the game is somehow...wrong?
You misunderstood what i was saying i think, read a little more closely. I am talking about a direct situation, i have nothing against people that bomb or take bases, as i like using them as targets.
Originally posted by rshubert
We already know the answer, by the way. Would you like some cheese with that?
I'm not whining, i am just clarifying a situation why some people get frustrated when a certain type of 'bomber pilot' ruins the game for countless people fighting somewhere.
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Originally posted by Furball
I'm not whining, i am just clarifying a situation why some people get frustrated when a certain type of 'bomber pilot' ruins the game for countless people fighting somewhere.
Actually, I read your post pretty carefully. You are missing my point. If 999000, or fungi987, or whoever bombs your furball base, it's YOUR fault. Why? Here's why:
1. Bombers don't sneak well. The whole big, slow thing.
2. Bombers are relatively easy to defend against. See (1) above.
Hey, a few dedicated cherry pickers/vulchers hanging around the nearest enemy base does WONDERS for keeping the bombers under control. Also, please remember that the AH world does NOT revolve around you. I know that's hard to accept, but your furball is in the way of me taking your base.
So, we take out your FHs. Then the furballers lose interest and go away. Then we take the base. If we don't take out the FHs, then the furballers (and other, more respectable base defenders) keep upping and suicidally hurling themselves at the goon and or troops. This whole "leave the FH up and we will be happy" crap is just that--you (and your fellow travellers) have repeatedly stated that all base capture should be eliminated for "the good of the game". Somehow, you think that making base capture more difficult will make it go away. It hasn't so far, and I don't think it will.
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Originally posted by rshubert
blah blah blah
with all due respect - i really dont care.
I was just simplifying it to point out why people get aggrivated, sorry for wasting your time writing that essay out.
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Originally posted by Furball
with all due respect - i really dont care.
I was just simplifying it to point out why people get aggrivated, sorry for wasting your time writing that essay out.
It is SO difficult to try to have an adult discussion around here, what with the children being allowed to post and all.
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Originally posted by rshubert
It is SO difficult to try to have an adult discussion around here, what with the children being allowed to post and all.
i tried to tell you in the first place that i really had nothing to discuss, but you just kept on coming!
i had to bring out the blatant bat and smack you round the head with it, as i said, sorry for wasting your time!
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Originally posted by Furball
i tried to tell you in the first place that i really had nothing to discuss, but you just kept on coming!
i had to bring out the blatant bat and smack you round the head with it, as i said, sorry for wasting your time!
apology accepted. now go to your room. :D
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Originally posted by rshubert
This whole "leave the FH up and we will be happy" crap is just that--you (and your fellow travellers) have repeatedly stated that all base capture should be eliminated for "the good of the game".
i would be interested to see exactly where i have "repeatedly stated that all base capture should be eliminated"
i dont think i have EVER said that. it appears you think i am something or someone i am not.
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Originally posted by Furball
So if you were enjoying a game of football with your friends, and some fat headed jerk walks onto the field, picks the ball up and walks off with it... you would keep quiet and calmly walk home without saying anything?
Because that is exactly what happens when someone bombs the hangars and takes the fun away - you have to expect that those playing at that field are going to be slightly miffed.
I don't agree with this analogy. It is more like the neighbor saying get off my lawn, go play your football game at the park down the street. No one took the football away, they just made you go play elsewhere. And come on guys, it is not like it is hard to find a fight in another location with hundreds of bases on these big maps.
I can't imagine what degrading comments 999000 could be referring to from his own countrymen, but I know you would never hear such a comment from me. 999000 and tatertot play this game with as much zeal, enthusiasm and politeness as anyone I know, and should not be the target of such criticism. What is wrong with flying bombers at the treetops? It is no different than furballers who never climb above 5K for a fight.
999000, you need to return to the Knights, and Tatertot too. Return to your homeland my prodigal son!
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Hmm...
Actually Rook country channel has been pretty brutal lately. Seen newbs worked over real well by 'teammates' and alotta bickering.
Never seen it like this before...
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Furbie, I thought ou said you were out of this one?
And tracerx, with all due respect, 999000 and tatertot should come back to the Bish, where we love and respect them. We might even drop our Birds of Prey "never swap countries" rule for this one special case.
shubie
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I would like capture to be eliminated.
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Superdud and the Bk's......if you say you want bases captures eliminated and are interested in furballs only why don't people use the dualing arena with the two bases and the meet in the middle fight? seems the structure of the DA is set up to meet these needs.
999000
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Because I'm a jerk and I like to whine about a game. Maybe if they gave me a B29 with a nookie I'd be happy.
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Oh, I see now. We don't want to divebomb every CV and FH whereever a furball is raging, so we need to leave your arena. If we ask you to stop ruining our fun, we're the bad guys. If you tell us we're ruining your fun, we're the bad guys still. Seems to me that you're doing the very thing you're whining about, except you've taken it to an extreme, made it personal, and continue to beat this dead horse in order to draw attention to it as a means to your own selfish ends.
Crystal clear now, thanks.
Originally posted by 999000
Things have gotten so bad that a few fighter pilots are no longer covert in their actions and motives ... but as in last night , demonstrate complete disregard in the most negative ways, overtly to anyone including their own team mates who are not the means to their own selfish ends.
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Originally posted by rshubert
It is SO difficult to try to have an adult discussion around here, what with the children being allowed to post and all.
LOL you think because you are closer to death than some of us, that means you are more mature? The company you keep alone is contradictory of that.
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Someone said something about the Rooks country channel being a little "brutal". This is because Rooks has the most fighter jocks out of all three countries. It's to the point now where people are sick of the fights being scarce and they're saying something about it. Just seems like a lot because everyone is saying it at the same time now.
999000, we been friends for a long time. Loved escorting your bombers in AW, and still do to this day. But the MA is the MA. Meaning anything goes there, I know that, as well does everyone else.. including the BKz. But for you to tell them that maybe they should go to the DA? That's not cool bro. I may not be in the BKz, but I along with many others, have the same outlook on the game. Think about this, if we all took your advice, there would be NO main arena at all.
Everyone is here to have fun, and I ususally don't tell people how to play their game. It's their money. But when someone cuts into my fun then its a different story.
Everyone just needs to chill out and buy their time until ToD comes out (if and when). Once that happens, things will be a lot different.
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PK1, stop trying to bring sanity to this thread!
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Originally posted by SuperDud
PK1, stop trying to bring sanity to this thread!
You just ruined his efforts...
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999000,
Still working on my reply. Dang real life keeps raising it's ugly head, and I want to make sure I don't leave anything out.
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EVERYONE pays their 15 bux a month to play the game THIER WAY and no ammount of whining, pi$$ing, or moaning is going to change it! :D
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dang 9 you stirred them up again
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(http://bis.midco.net/rfrazier/images/AT_BK_HQ.jpg)
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
(http://bis.midco.net/rfrazier/images/AT_BK_HQ.jpg)
buwahahahahhaha:rofl :rofl :rofl
look at furballs big ears lol:D
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lol quite good bob :)
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LoL, yup I like it too:p
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woulda been funnier if they were saying PWN and QUAH!
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Originally posted by LYNX
Low alt bombers ................ F6 default for bombs away.
agreed if its got a bomb sight............. then force its use (for bombs) particularly if formations were chosen.
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Thanks Bob, that was good!
BTW, that was an old squad picture, Morph's acne has cleared up since then.
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:D
Funny, bob, I just about spit my coffee out.
Now, enough frivolity, let's get back to the whining.
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Bob very nice sir
Everyone enjoys a good "rumor", or outstanding work like yours.
Obviously I love this game, and believe the success health and long term vitality of Ah has as much to do with techinical aspects ie frame rates, planes etc as the human relationship aspect or sportsmanship or gamemanship of the people who play the game.
The other night serious intimidation and bulling was directed at a Rook by a Rook who is and his squad well represented in this thread.
Its a game, let everyone bring something positive to the table.
999000
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Thank you, I do what I can.
Peace. :)
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Bottom line is there are maroons like hubert that actually relish the thought of ruining a good furball and there are others like 999 and friends that just want to be noticed for the work they do. Those of us who just want to fight happen to be caught in the middle.
And what a joke Hubert, most complaints are not about people trying to take bases and you would have nothing to say if you could comprehend that. It is the people who have no organized plan, have no idea if a goon is inbound, that don't even care if the base is taken. All they see is a big fight going on so they go and take out the fighter hangers. 99% of the time the FHrs are down and everything else is up and no atttempt is being made to capture the base. These are the people causing the frustration for the fighter and ***** up the game for us.
Why should bomber and strat guys be frustrated? There is always somewhere they can go and drop bombs. This is the main reason hubert posts the balony he does and people say just go to the DA to fight, because they have no idea what it is like to find a nice furball and they have no idea how frustrating it is to log on and not be able to find or enjoy a good fight.
So 999 saw some frustration being vented, whimper, whimper. I have seen his clan lay down the same intimidation and bulling, be it in retort or to antagonize. But you don't see us crying on the BBS or switching countries in a tiff.
The problem lies in HTC unwillingness to see and/or address the weakness of the hangers and CVs or the fact that his game is now more about stopping fights and taking bases than it is about fighting in the air. But he has his agenda and it is his game so, so be it.
I just hope all you spoilers will find you way to TOD and people who enjoy the thrill of the fight can once again thrive in the MA.
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Originally posted by 999000
Obviously I love this game, and believe the success health and long term vitality of Ah has as much to do with techinical aspects ie frame rates, planes etc as the human relationship aspect or sportsmanship or gamemanship of the people who play the game.
And several page threads, most of which get locked, and the inevitable week long pursefights that ensue, as well as the ill will they generate, serve only to deepen the divide between us "mindless furballers", and you "mindless porkers". This whole deal would have been over and done with in 5 minutes, but you've insisted on dragging it on and on, *****ing at me in the game, having your squaddie *****ing at me in the game, which of course leads to the enthusiastic following that *****es at me just because you 2 are.
My apologies to APdrone, and BOS229er. I've flown with and against drone many times over the years, and have found him to be a good and pleasant opponent and teammate. BOS229er, other than expressing his delight and enthusiasm for ruining any fight I'm near (probably only because it obviously irritates me), hasn't done or said much to otherwise incur my wrath. But you 999, weren't even involved, weren't addressed, took personal offence at my being irritated, appointed yourself a defender of the realm, and have, since doing so, done every single thing you've accused me of. It was bad enough that it happened in the first place, but it's inexcusable for you to perpetuate this.
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Hub
sir!
I appreciate your effort to make things right !!
To the "notion defender of the realm" anyone can do it here or more importantly in the real world .. It has everything to do what General Bradley said once about "moral Courage" ..to do whats right regardless of the pearsonel cost..General Bradley went on to say everyone is not blessed with the say abilities in life but anyone can have all the moral courage they want...... and that is what makesa good man a great man. Yes I don't mind running "point" even at a cost if its the right thing to do.....The only way to really lead is from the front.
***Just for the record that night when I first got on .saw big red bar at 24..thought Cap bust!...then found out shortly that CV was right off shore....I'm in my b17.. I thought ok sink CV!......But then I heard fellow rooks asking to keep CV up( not even sure who was asking) so out of respect to fellow rooks
I did lazy cirlcle around cv killing 4 before going down my self and did not try to sink the CV. Thought you might want to know.
999000
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lazy circle killing 4. only 4? my extra pair of superduper make it easier to kill glasses will be in the next fedex package.
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999zillion,
Please don't come back to the nits. You're bombers are fun to kill. You and tatertot are the ONLY bomber targets available when fighting rooks. Your services are of value.
But, if you do want to come back, we'll take ya. :aok
As for the rest of you purse fighters...it's a game for cripes sake.
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neeeeeeeeeeeooowwww...
boom!boom!boom!!
(http://furballunderground.com/blueknights_pictures/userfiles/Furball/474_1114451135_1aa%20copy.jpg)
photoshopped this ages ago, completely forgot about it til today :)
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Just for the record that night when I first got on .saw big red bar at 24..thought Cap bust!...then found out shortly that CV was right off shore....I'm in my b17.. I thought ok sink CV!......But then I heard fellow rooks asking to keep CV up( not even sure who was asking) so out of respect to fellow rooks
999 I heard you started asking most of the time lately and I respect that. That is one of the reasons I was suprised that you got sucked into this. From one furballer I appreciate the thought bud
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everybody place different right or wrong my 2 cents
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Originally posted by v1st
everybody place different right or wrong my 2 cents
wtf junior.