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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bj229r on September 07, 2005, 09:50:22 PM
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http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/04/katrina-response-timeline/
(Following is Wed., 1 day after levee broke)
Governor Blanco issues an Executive Order allowing the National Guard to seize school busses in order to help in the evacuation
National Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Pete Schneider, said the order, signed by Gov. Kathleen Blanco late Wednesday, means “we are going to take the buses. We need to get people out of New Orleans.. . . .Either they will give them up or we will take them.’’ It is unclear whether the Governor is referring to the hundreds of school busses in a New Orleans city parking lot 1.2 miles from the Superdome that contained 255 busses, all underwater. She was also procuring busses from around the state. In an press conference the next day, General Honore says that busses from FEMA have also arrived. (HT: Tony & Junkyard Blog) Revised 9/6
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Mayor Nagin explodes on live radio, railing against federal relief efforts. If you’ve come this far with me, all I ask is that you read his comments and compare them to what has been reported in this timeline previously.
“You know the reason why the looters got out of control?” Nagin said. “We have most of our resources saving people. They were stuck in attics, man, old ladies. You pull off the doggone ventilator and look down and they’re standing there in water up to their fricking neck.”
“I need reinforcements,” he said. “I need troops, man. I need 500 buses.”
The relief efforts made so far had been pathetically insufficient, Nagin said.
“They’re thinking small, man, and this is a major, MAJOR deal,” Nagin said. “God is looking down on this and if they are not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price. Every day that we delay, people are dying, and they’re dying by the hundreds, I’m willing to bet you.”
Rolling now, Nagin described distress calls he’d heard. Nagin mocked the efforts to block the 17th Street
Canal breach.
“I flew over that thing yesterday and it was in the same shape it was in after the storm hit,” he said.
“There is nothing happening there. They’re feeding the public a line of bull and they’re spinning and people are dying down here.” (HT: Ghosty) Revised 9/6 – moved from Friday to Thursday.
In an interview with Paula Zahn, FEMA Director Brown says he just heard about people stranded at the convention center “a few hours ago.” Revised 9/6
(remember Senator Landreu belittling the one puny crane at the break site, from the helicoptor?)
President Bush visits New Orleans, taking a helicopter tour with Mayor Nagin. According to the Mayor Bush tells him that “he [the President] was fully committed to getting us the resources we need,” Nagin said in the tattered Hyatt hotel next to the Superdome. “I told him I knew we could work together, and he said he understood.”
In an interview with CNN on 9/5, Mayor Nagin says that Governor Blanco resisted a request from the Federal government to nationalize the relief effort when meeting with President Bush aboard Air Force I. Blanco is reported to have asked for 24 hours to “think about it.” (HT: Sue Hanley) Revised 9/6
In a special briefing on efforts to repair the damaged levees carried out by Lieutenant General Carl Strock, Commander, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and Chief of Engineers, the General summarized the difficulties he was experiencing in closing the breaches, including the difficulty in reaching the site of the breach by land (land ops couldn’t start until a causeway was built), by water (bridges couldn’t be raised to allow for the huge cranes to pass), and air (helicopters were being used to rescue people). Revised 9/7
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Help me out here.
What`s fascinating?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Help me out here.
What`s fascinating?
that the federal govt is being blamed for this.
that it is once again all Bush's fault.
That a democrat run state and a democrat run city that has a population living below the poverty line 16% above average.....
It's the federal govt fault.
In addition Today the Mayor of NO ordered the mandatory evacuation of NO.
The Govener said she didn't agree.
These two can't seem to find their own tulips useing both hands, a flashlight, and a map.
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in addition it was reported today that there is a "gag" order in place at the pentagon and the Guard as far as any information about when they deployed, under who's authority, and who requested them.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
in addition it was reported today that there is a "gag" order in place at the pentagon and the Guard as far as any information about when they deployed, under who's authority, and who requested them.
Why do you think a gag order was put in place?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Why do you think a gag order was put in place?
not sure, it could go either way politically. Or it could be the pentagons way of saying stay out of our business and wait for the hearing.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
These two can't seem to find their own tulips useing both hands, a flashlight, and a map.
In Georgia, the people point west towards Alabama and say, "Those people are idots."
In Alabama, they point towards Mississippi and say the same thing.
I haven't been to Mississippi in a long time, but I expect that they point to Louisiana.
:D
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
that the federal govt is being blamed for this.
that it is once again all Bush's fault.
That a democrat run state and a democrat run city that has a population living below the poverty line 16% above average.....
It's the federal govt fault.
In addition Today the Mayor of NO ordered the mandatory evacuation of NO.
The Govener said she didn't agree.
These two can't seem to find their own tulips useing both hands, a flashlight, and a map.
Yea, yea, but that has been beaten into the fround 24 hours a day. I thought maybe there was something new in there I was missing.
Everyone knows Bush ordered the CIA to test the new hurricane , levee busting weapon. :)
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Those buses were just sitting there, dam. And now Blanco and the mayor cannot agree. Incompetence? Overall I think the blame can go all the way up. I mean they knew about the hurricane. Hurricane or terrorist attack, it all boils down to the same basic essential thing. Protecting the people. Whats the difference between a terrorist attack or an attack from nature?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
not sure, it could go either way politically. Or it could be the pentagons way of saying stay out of our business and wait for the hearing.
Yeah, I guess it would depend on exactly who put the gag order in place.
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I found a picture of all the drivers that were available to handle those busses!
(http://www.pushby.com/tomas/img/lrg/pigeon-parking-lot.jpg)
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Originally posted by Westy
I found a picture of all the drivers that were available to handle those busses!
(http://www.pushby.com/tomas/img/lrg/pigeon-parking-lot.jpg)
That was part of the Mayors initial evacuation plan! ;)
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Originally posted by Westy
I found a picture of all the drivers that were available to handle those busses!
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Yeah, it's not like just ANYBODY could drive a school bus out of N.O. to Houston or something!
Storm Victims Steal School Buses To Flee New Orleans (http://www.local6.com/news/4929516/detail.html)
An 18-year-old also decided to take matters into his own hands and stole an abandoned city school bus and drove storm victims to Texas, according to a CNN report.
The teen driver, Jabbar Gibson, 18, said he had never driven a bus before but wanted to save people.
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It does not suprise me that an 18 year old was able to think faster and more effectively than Mr. Mayor.
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So let me see if I understand you. On the Sat or Sun before the hurricane hit as the mayor you would have simply called for volunteers and handed the keys over to the first 500+ strangers that showed up? And if they said they never drove one before you would have shrugged it off and said "Have fun, knock yourself out! Why it's just like a go-cart, only bigger. Anyone can do it!
lol. sure thing.
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Originally posted by Westy
So let me see if I understand you. On the Sat or Sun before the hurricane hit as the mayor you would have simply called for volunteers and handed the keys over to the first 500+ strangers that showed up? And if they said they never drove one before you would have shrugged it off and said "Have fun, knock yourself out! Why it's just like a go-cart, only bigger. Anyone can do it!
lol. sure thing.
no but he could have had some city workers or even ASKED for volunteers to drive them. Or even better he could have pre-positioned them to higher ground
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For sure! Voluntary evacuation declared on Saturday.... mandatory evacuation by Sunday. By Sat it was too late to relocate several hundred buses and you can be sure that the bus drivers needed were amongst those in the freeway traffic getting out of town asap.
It's a short straw. But this "the buses could have saved N.O!" theory seems to be the only one the "Swiftbus Veterans for Truth" can grab onto.
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Originally posted by Westy
For sure! Voluntary evacuation declared on Saturday.... mandatory evacuation by Sunday. By Sat it was too late to relocate several hundred buses and you can be sure that the bus drivers needed were amongst those in the freeway traffic getting out of town asap.
It's a short straw. But this "the buses could have saved N.O!" theory seems to be the only one the "Swiftbus Veterans for Truth" can grab onto.
So, the whole CITY of N.O. cant be expected to move a few hundred buses maybe 5 miles to safety, but the U.S. govt was supposed to have manpower onhand to evacuate 200,000 peeps within 48 hours of the flood?
(btw, school buses now-a-days have automatic transmissions, and judging by the quality of the folks who drive my kid to school, it doesnt take much talent)
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Originally posted by Westy
For sure! Voluntary evacuation declared on Saturday.... mandatory evacuation by Sunday. By Sat it was too late to relocate several hundred buses and you can be sure that the bus drivers needed were amongst those in the freeway traffic getting out of town asap.
It's a short straw. But this "the buses could have saved N.O!" theory seems to be the only one the "Swiftbus Veterans for Truth" can grab onto.
well I guess having a worth while evacuation plan to BEGIN WITH could have prevented all of this. All these liberals are blaiming the federal govt when it's the locals responsibility to evacuate and care for the welfare of the city. You have the Mayor Screaming "were's my buses" when they are under water.
I find it hard to beleive he couldn't have found a handfull of people to move them to safety.
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Every politician involved dropped the ball on this one. Nobody is innocent. Bush has his share of the blame, as well as Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin. It just shows the incompetence of everyone involved, unfortunately it is costing people their life.
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Originally posted by Westy
So let me see if I understand you. On the Sat or Sun before the hurricane hit as the mayor you would have simply called for volunteers and handed the keys over to the first 500+ strangers that showed up? And if they said they never drove one before you would have shrugged it off and said "Have fun, knock yourself out! Why it's just like a go-cart, only bigger. Anyone can do it!
lol. sure thing.
No.
Let's look at this from the planning point of view.
Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3344347)
...The city of New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan suggested people develop their own way to get out. "The potential exists that New Orleans could be without sufficient supplies to meet the needs of persons with special considerations, and there is significant risk being taken by those individuals who decide to remain in these refuges of last resort," it says....
.....Florida, by contrast, for two decades has required counties to establish and maintain permanent databases of "special needs citizens," and arrange rides for people with no transportation. The state also has shelters established for myriad medical conditions.
Florida emergency officials agree that last-minute planning simply doesn't work.
"Unless you planned in advance, it would be a catastrophe," said Guy Daines, a retired Florida emergency manager who is considered an expert in specialized evacuations.
So it's obvious that the only plan N. O. had for people without transportation and special needs was actually really not a plan. It was a forlorn hope.
Now, having gotten himself into a jam because HIS administration had no plan to get these people out, what did he do?
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=3561&category_id=16
On Saturday 8/27, the National Hurricane Center in Miami extended a Hurricane Watch for Louisiana and President Bush declared a state of emergency in Louisiana. Mandatory evacuation orders were issued for some of Louisiana's low-lying areas and Katrina was expected to increase to become a Category 4 hurricane; "This is a very, very dangerous hurricane," said NHC Director Max Mayfield on CNN Saturday. At 5pm, Mayor Ray Nagin called for a voluntary evacuation of the city but Greyhound & Amtrak stopped service in New Orleans late Saturday Night.
By Sunday 8/28, news reports called Katrina the most powerful hurricane ever to menace the United States and said it was expected to slam into the nation's most storm-vulnerable city, New Orleans. "Some 25 feet of standing water is expected in many parts of the city -- almost twice the height of the average home -- and computer models suggest that more than 80 percent of buildings would be badly damaged or destroyed" On Sunday, Mayor Nagin issued a mandatory evacuation order
So even though it looked like a major hurricane was headed to N.O., a town without a real evacuation plan, Nagin calls for a "voluntary" evacuation on Saturday.
Chronicle:
...Saturday evening, Hurricane Katrina had intensified to Category 4, with the possibility that it could strike land as a killer Category 5 storm.
About 8 p.m., Mayor Nagin fielded an unusual personal call at home from Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, who wanted to be sure Nagin knew what was coming.
Still, Nagin waited to issue a mandatory evacuation, apparently because of legal complications, said Frazier. She said the city attorney was unavailable for an interview to explain.
The Director of the NHS calls Nagin on Saturday apparently because by the lack of action on the part of Nagin, the Director obviously feels Nagin doesn't "get it".
FINALLY, on Sunday at 10AM, Nagin orders mandatory evacuation, 14 hours after the Director tried to warn him personally.
On Friday Nagin could have thought about his evacuation plan and the role the buses would have to play. He could then have asked his usual drivers to volunteer. But of course he didn't. He didn't do ANYTHING to prepare on Friday really.
On Saturday he orders "voluntary" evac which a lot of folks ignored. He could have had his staff trying to round up volunteer drivers then too.
Finally, on Sunday, he orders mandatory evacuation but still HAS NO PLAN for moving those without transportation or those with special needs. Could he have designated Police officers or about any city employees available to drive the buses? I think those folks could probably handle a bus; hell, a kid did.
They didn't have to drive them all the way to Houston, either. They just needed to get them OUT of N.O. They could have taken them 30 miles up the road towards Baton Rouge and started dropping them in any shelter available in the towns along the way.
But, obviously there was NO PLAN and there was no attempt to IMPROVISE a plan when it became obvious that there was NO PLAN.
The consequences came to bear in the images hours and days later: Elderly people dying outside shelters and hospitals that were losing power and, finally, their patients. Now, hurricane evacuation experts around the country are asking why New Orleans failed to prepare for the flood scenario from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane.
"Everybody knew about it. There's no excuse for not having a plan," said Jay Baker, a Florida State University associate professor who is an expert in hurricane evacuations and is familiar with New Orleans hurricane studies.
So, clearly, Mayor Nagin FAILED his constituents and the City of New Orleans. Failed MISERABLY.
There's plenty of blame to go around; the Governor and the Federal agencies didn't score very well on this test either.
But let's start with the basics:
Nagin and his administration were responsible for having an evac plan for N.O. Clearly, they did not have a workable plan. Further, despite numerous warnings, Nagin was extremely slow to act. That is a leadership function and he failed to lead in this situation. They also failed to improvise when it became obvious they had screwed up. Essentially, he sat up in Baton Rouge like a deer in the headlights.
So yeah, the Feds were slow. The Governor exhibited the inability to make timely decisions. But the first link in the "accident chain" was Nagin. No plan, no decisions, no improvisation, no leadership.
So, would I have turned the keys over to any bozo willing to take a crack at getting those folks out of town? Damn straight I would. Especially when I first got word the levee had broken. That was clearly time to get those folks out in any way possible.
I salute that kid that stole the bus. Damn shame there weren't 500 more like him.
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Nagin sure blew it.. no doubt.
Be careful you don't criticize Bush though.
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They all blew it. Nagin, Blanco, Brown, Chertoff and Bush.
Be careful not to admit that though.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Nagin sure blew it.. no doubt.
Be careful you don't criticize Bush though.
EDIT:
who are you liberals going to blame when there's no more Bush. The democrats ran this state and city for how long and what do they end up with. More poverty and no plan for disaster. This is proof that "help me federal govt blame others for your problems" liberalism does not work.
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Oh... one other thing not to admit.
Please don't admit that if Nagin had competently executed the "City of New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan annex I: Hurricanes", the loss of life in N.O. would have been far, far less than what it is going to turn out to be.
Don't admit that Nagin's failure to do so is the primary reason so many people lost their lives.
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The Federal Government has no authority to order or to force an evacuation. The Federal Government simply re-acts after the fact. It's the local and state governments responsibility take of their residents.
They failed miserably. Had the New Orleans Mayor and Louisiana Governor had a plan to begin with (something more the 'go to the Superdome') then we wouldn't see any of them crying about the Federal Government's 'slow response'.
The Federal Government's response to these types of disasters are 'never fast enough' but they are what they are. The failures in Louisiana created an almost unmanageable situation.
The failure on the local level is 'criminal' imho. Their failures are what made the New Orleans and Louisiana disaster what it is. How could they not know the elderly and infirm were being left to die in nursing homes?
In another thread MT stated that 'race' was the reason behind the Feds 'slow response'. Was 'race' the reason for the failures on the local level?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Who are you liberals going to blame when there's no more Bush?
ANY idiot that runs their office the way this one is.
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The infallible blaming the fallible for their fallibility.
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Originally posted by rpm
ANY idiot that runs their office the way this one is.
Or any idiot political party that can't beat this idiot.....TWICE!!
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Originally posted by rpm
ANY idiot that runs their office the way this one is.
SO it's Bush's fault that a Democrat Mayor didn't have a good enough evacuation plan?
It's Bush's fault that this city wich is run by democrats has an above average poverty status?
The failure on the local level is 'criminal' imho. Their failures are what made the New Orleans and Louisiana disaster what it is. How could they not know the elderly and infirm were being left to die in nursing homes?
yea try to charge the mayor with something. You hear race card being played now......
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I'm wondering who appointed a equine anus (he's head of the arabian assoc?) as director of fema.. in fact in every critical fema position sits some zero qualification bush machine appointee.
Toad really nailed it good.. and yup, there's plenty of blame to share... and plenty more bodies to dig up.
Literally as well as figuratively.
Since this administration usually rewards incompetence with a medal, I'm wondering if there's gonna be a bronze shortage followed by a precious metals price hike.
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"They all blew it. Nagin, Blanco, Brown, Chertoff and Bush. Be careful not to admit that though."
I agree. I'm no fan of the mayor (or the governor). Would hate to live in any state or city that they had them in charge. I personally would like to see him hang right along the likes of the gov, Brown Chernoff(sp?) and the absolute moron that put them there.
I was (and am) simply trying to add counter weight againt the Bush Brigades typical stance that "the buck stops over there!" Bush is the "teflon Don" who responsibilty for bad choices or inaction onto someone or something else. Every time. I don't keep it a secret that I truly loath Bush and his administration.
I just do not see any credibilty in the "bus theory." as it was to late to move them, too late to force people by gun point to drive them as wellas get on them to get out of town. And even then someone would needed to seen into the future to know that they would need to be parked (and manned) at the Superdome to evacuate 20,000 plus people.
Gun_(party hack)_slinger asks"Who are you liberals going to blame when there's no more Bush?" and rpm replied, "ANY idiot that runs their office the way this one is."
rpm nailed it well perfectly!
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Bush hates the poor in NO so much that he ordered this (http://www.pacentro.com/HARRP/harrp.htm) to be used then he told FEMA not to respone no matter how much they cried.
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Originally posted by Westy
I just do not see any credibilty in the "bus theory." as it was to late to move them, too late to force people by gun point to drive them as wellas get on them to get out of town. And even then someone would needed to seen into the future to know that they would need to be parked (and manned) at the Superdome to evacuate 20,000 plus people.
This is what I think you are missing.
Those buses were AVAILABLE to move people from right after school on Friday night. 500 buses with 50 folks crammed into them = 25,000 folks. And they didn't have to drive to Salt Lake City. They just had to get them out of N.O. and into a church or a gym or a National Guard armory or the like. And don't forget the buses of the New Orleans Regional Transit Authority. They probably had several hundred buses too.
It's not a question of "was there transportation available". There was. Lots of it. However, there was a total failure of leadership in putting those buses to use in a timely manner.
Remember this: In a city that is below sea level in an area that is commonly hit by hurricanes (Gulf Coast) the Mayor of the city HAD NO PLAN TO EVACUATE THOSE WITHOUT TRANSPORTATION.
The formal "city of New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan suggested people develop their own way to get out. "The potential exists that New Orleans could be without sufficient supplies to meet the needs of persons with special considerations, and there is significant risk being taken by those individuals who decide to remain in these refuges of last resort," it says...."
Another place routinely hit by hurricanes sees it quite differently and, more importanly, sees it correctly:
.....Florida, by contrast, for two decades has required counties to establish and maintain permanent databases of "special needs citizens," and arrange rides for people with no transportation. The state also has shelters established for myriad medical conditions.
Florida emergency officials agree that last-minute planning simply doesn't work.
I suspect we would all now agree that "last-minute planning simply doesn't work".
The "bus theory" is simply this. Buses WERE available. Nagin NEVER made the decision to use them to evacuate, even after the levee broke, let alone BEFORE the hurricane hit which is what should have been done.
Like it or not, I don't see how Nagin can avoid the responsibility for so many of the poor and disabled dying in this disaster.
The Gov and the rest all up the line are going to get slammed too, as they should. But it starts with Nagin not ensuring that the New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan considered those with special needs and/or no transportation.
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This from Colin Powell's interview with Barbara Wa-Wa (to air Friday night)
“When you look at those who weren’t able to get out, it should have been a blinding flash of the obvious to everybody that when you order a mandatory evacuation, you can’t expect everybody to evacuate on their own.
Hope Nagin is taking notes.
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who are you liberals going to blame when there's no more Bush.
The same people the conservatives blamed when there was no more Clinton... oh wait.
The system is broken from the top down or the bottom up. Doesn't matter. Democrat or Republican.
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
The same people the conservatives blamed when there was no more Clinton... oh wait.
The system is broken from the top down or the bottom up. Doesn't matter. Democrat or Republican.
Charon
I don't see republicans on TV every night laying blame.
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(http://www.blindmanphoto.com/images/Stop-Blaming-FEMA.jpg)
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I don't see republicans on TV every night laying blame.
Maybe you're not looking hard enough? Just like some aren't looking all that hard in the other direction. Everybody is laying blame for everything associated with this right now. I see it in just about every newscast.
Here are some quick pastes:
In a reflection of what has long been a hallmark of Mr. Rove's tough political style, the administration is also working to shift the blame away from the White House and toward officials of New Orleans and Louisiana who, as it happens, are Democrats.
"The way that emergency operations act under the law is the responsibility and the power, the authority, to order an evacuation rests with state and local officials," Mr. Chertoff said in his television interview. "The federal government comes in and supports those officials." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05bush.html
"The federal government stands ready to work with state and local officials to secure New Orleans and the state of Louisiana," White House spokesman Dan Bartlett said. "The president will not let any form of bureaucracy get in the way of protecting the citizens of Louisiana."
Bush, who has been criticized, even by supporters, for the delayed response to the disaster, used his weekly radio address to put responsibility for the failure on lower levels of government. The magnitude of the crisis "has created tremendous problems that have strained state and local capabilities," he said. "The result is that many of our citizens simply are not getting the help they need, especially in New Orleans. And that is unacceptable."
Brown, a frequent target of New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin's wrath, said Saturday that "the mayor can order an evacuation and try to evacuate the city, but if the mayor does not have the resources to get the poor, elderly, the disabled, those who cannot, out, or if he does not even have police capacity to enforce the mandatory evacuation, to make people leave, then you end up with the kind of situation we have right now in New Orleans."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html
"The very day that this emerged in the press, I was on a video conference with all the officials, including state and local officials. And nobody, none of the state and local officials or anybody else, was talking about a Convention Center," Chertoff told CNN.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4216508.stm
Now is it as obvious and as ham fisted as the panicking Democratic mayor and governor in full CYA mode? No, you have to be a bit more careful when you state "now is not the time to blame..." but the blame is clearly there (and certainly deserving as far as I can tell).
And Bush just sacked "Brownie" from the job. I guess the buck stops there...
Frankly, I imagine there will be plenty of real, justified blame to go around at all levels. The one group not being blamed that has the most responsibility, IMO, is the American people for just not caring all that much about anything for the past 20 years or so, unless you count last night's American Idol or wassup with Brad and Jennifer.
Charon
BTW, my blame list in this disaster:
1. Apathetic American people who basically accepth "lesser of two evils" choices from both parties and get what they pay for with their votes from the city to the White House. I have been in this catagory for far too long but that has already changed.
2. City and local officials (policies, budgeting, priorities, staffing, waste, etc.)
3. Federal government (policies, budgeting, priorities, staffing, waste, etc.)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
SO it's Bush's fault that a Democrat Mayor didn't have a good enough evacuation plan?
It's Bush's fault that this city wich is run by democrats has an above average poverty status?
yea try to charge the mayor with something. You hear race card being played now......
Guns, you and I see eye to eye on a lot of things, but you obviously didn't see this earlier post:
Originally posted by rpm
Every politician involved dropped the ball on this one. Nobody is innocent. Bush has his share of the blame, as well as Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin. It just shows the incompetence of everyone involved, unfortunately it is costing people their life.
It's an across the board fubar. Bush, Blanco and Nagin. It's not a Republican vs Democrat thing. It's an incompetent idiot politician thing.
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Originally posted by rpm
Guns, you and I see eye to eye on a lot of things, but you obviously didn't see this earlier post:
It's an across the board fubar. Bush, Blanco and Nagin. It's not a Republican vs Democrat thing. It's an incompetent idiot politician thing.
Yea I know but I'm just real pissed as of late that it seems Bush and Fema bared the brunt of it when IMHO they are not the responsible party and did the best the could with what they had.
Not a single day after the hurrican you had the Left blaiming bush for global warming and cutting funding. The left went into full on blame mode the second the winds cleared.
Even MT here blames Bush for not getting there faster. As if HIM being there helps anything. On the contrary it hurts things as he is a vital part of the govt with a big entorage and would hinder efforts.
I am not at all saying Bush isn't to blame. Maybe Brown wasn't the best choice for FEMA and this administration does have a tenacity for appointing "friends" to high level positions, but too many people are blaming FEMA for all of this when they don't even know what FEMA does.
Then the Race card.....that just angers me to no end at all. It is why people that are poor and cry race will ALLWAYS be poor no matter what they or their state does.
This whole event illustrates one big thing to me and should to everyone else. Liberal social policys don't work. N.O. is a shining example of that. [rant off]
have a good weekend RPM :aok
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The accident investigation is now complete:
Here is the conclusion of the report:
"It's quite obvious that Captain Nagin misread his approach plate, put the wrong course into his CDI and tuned his ILS radio to the wrong frequency for the runway in use. Further, he became disoriented in the weather, failed to read his instruments correctly, entered a spin, failed to recover and crashed the B-737 into the swamp, killing the crew and 100 of the 120 passengers instantly.
The co-pilot, Blanco, did not intervene in any way during this progressively worsening situation other than using the PA to ask the passengers to pray that it would all turn out all right.
After the crash, the 20 surviving passengers eventually perished due to the late response of emergency rescue personnel. While it is true that the rescue teams had to cross a nearly impassable swamp to get to the crash site, it is also clear that the managers of the rescue operation, Brown and his boss Cherthoff are incompetent political hacks that should never have been in those positions.
Therefore, the Board has no choice but to blame the politician, Bush, who appointed Brown and Cherthoff to positions supervising the emergency response teams for every single life lost in this tragic accident."
There, now we have things in proper perspective I guess.
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Jeebus! Will you all get a grip??!!
It was Clinton's fault! (There now the picture is complete) :D
BTW, Charon for President 2008!