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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: SkyWolf on September 12, 2005, 07:18:43 AM
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Can someone explain why this thing is ENY 10? It seems pretty doggy to me. When I fly it I bleed E fast, I can't climb, I accelerate slowy. I can dive.... but still not fast enough to get away from much, I can't turn for more than 1 minute or so, and I always get jumped climbing out even if I'm miles from the front (I'm a Bish). It takes damage pretty well, and I get a lot of it.
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OK... ENY 10 because:
It takes exteremly much dammage before going down, I've taken 8x20mm hits from a Tempest 200 yards behind me then I flew home and landed (tempest was shot down by friends). The only dammage I had was engine oil. (granted the hits were most likely spread out but 8x20's i still 8x20's).
As all other P47's it's got 8x50 cal guns with up to 3400 rounds of ammunition. It can carry 2500 lbs bombs + rockets. This is not enough to get it down to ENY 10 though.
It is fast, pretty much nothing catches it above 20k and it's almost got the speed of a P51D at the deck. I, together with 3 squadmates were outrun by a P47N at 22k while flying 109 G10's, the G10 used to be the fastest plane up there but all the jug had to do was to put it in a very shallow dive and he left us in the dirt. NO plane in AH accelerates like a Jug in a Dive. Initial level speed acceleration is also supreme, even better than that of the Ki84 (which is a very small plane with a very large engine).
It's got the longest range of all planes in AH, you never need more then 50% fuel in it and 1 or 2 DT's. With 50% fuel it can turn GREAT like all P47's (the other ones can turn better with more fuel aswell), use combat flaps and it can stay with most things in a sustained turnfight. (part from those dedicated turners of course, spits, niki, ki84, zeke and so on).
It rolls very nice aswell.
It's got ENY 10 because, when flown right, it is one of those planes that can be nearly unbeatable.
The real question should be, why is the P47N unperked and the Ta 152 not? As both those planes are high alt versions/long range version of their former versions.
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The P47N is one of the best aircraft in the game for surviving a sortie. It is fast and it takes an incredible amount of damage. As long as you have WEP available, it can climb and accelerate with some of the best planes in the game. The higher you go the better it is relative to other planes.
It is a little more work to get kills, and you have to be very careful managing your WEP, but if you are chasing a good K/D ratio, it is one of the best planes to be in.
When TOD comes along, with historical engagements at high altitudes, all the P47s will become monsters.
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There are advantages to the Jug that far outweigh any kras comments and shots about its weight. Having a huge bellybutton afforded it room for a massive supercharger - which comes into play above 15K. As previously mentioned, it outperforms the G10 at 20K and higher, in both speed and climb. Survivability, forget about it - yr on par with the IL2. Speed - lets put it this way. Yes it climbs like **** on the getgo - 2000 FPM with 50 % and a centerline drop - but all you need to worry about is reaching 10 or 12K, and you accellerate. When your cooking along at 360 or 370 - who cares - you've got so much damn inertia you are going to outperform everything else in the vertical - and if you get it slow enough, turn extremely tight (18 dps).
Where most people get into trouble with this plane and the P38 is they do not plan the flight. That is, what gas they want by the time they hit the area of action, what altitude, speed, configuration - and having an exit strategy. Its 1 thing to furball yrself silly in a spit5 - a 6 yearold with downsyndrome could do that. But what sets the Spit drivers and Jug drivers apart is planning the fight.
The plus side of course to the Jug being able to absorb a tremendous amount of punishment and pilot abuse. It is, in my estimate one of the most pilot friendly aircraft in the game. You can dive it straight down and not rip the wings off. I've put it up close to 600 mph and not lost anything in a dive. SPits will lose pieces as do many other aircraft. Pilot protection is the best you'll find - more then a few bullets were stopped in the front armor glass. Can't say the same for any Pony's or 38s i've flown. Its not squirly on landing and has a wide wheel base - ground looping you have to almost want to do to even accomplish it.
Wolf
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Heh.... Then I guess I just suck worse than I thought. I get jumped at all alts (that's a Bish thing)... even 22k (P-51D) and all I can do is point it straight down and run. Anyone higher always catches me and I blow the 15 minutes it took me to get up there to begin with. The other day I HO'd some poor sap in a yak diving in on me out of frustration (sorry man). If I slow it down at all I'm a deadman (faster)... it will really turn? Even with combat flaps once I'm below about 250 I'mma goner. I also can't get it to accelerate with the nose level. I flew an L-Gay for the first time the other day and that thing accelerates.
Maybe it's TA time.
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
If I slow it down at all I'm a deadman (faster)... it will really turn? Even with combat flaps once I'm below about 250 I'mma goner. I also can't get it to accelerate with the nose level.
I've been flying the N for a couple of weeks now in the CT. What a great plane. The thing to remember is that it's just a super-jug, not a spitfire, not a ki84. If you can angles fight with a jug - using nose-down turns and lots of flaps - then you'll be more than rewarded by the N, which does all of these better than any other 47.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Wilbus
I, together with 3 squadmates were outrun by a P47N at 22k while flying 109 G10's, the G10 used to be the fastest plane up there but all the jug had to do was to put it in a very shallow dive and he left us in the dirt.
Not only is it faster than the G-10, above 20k it climbs better too.
I did a simple test a few weeks ago. Climb to 20k, level off and allow speed to build to 300 mph TAS. Once steady at 300 mph, engage auto-climb, go to max power with WEP. Record time required to reach 30k.
Here's the results:
P-47N: 2:34.37
109G-10: 2:53.87
P-51B: 3:02.03
So, the P-47N simply climbs away from the G-10, which has the P-51B nipping at its heels (and will catch the G-10 by 33k).
BTW, Pyro remarked on the BBS that they would reconsider the Ta 152 perk after observing the P-47N for a while. I'd bet that the 152 loses it perk price in the next update.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I'd bet that the 152 loses it perk price in the next update.
My regards,
Widewing
but only 100+ copies of 152 were made! :D
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Originally posted by 1K3
but only 100+ copies of 152 were made! :D
About 150 Ta 152H-1s were built, not many more than 30 actually saw combat. One or two of the Ta-152C pre-production aircraft were used operationally, but no production versions were issued before the factory was over-run.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Not only is it faster than the G-10, above 20k it climbs better too.
I did a simple test a few weeks ago. Climb to 20k, level off and allow speed to build to 300 mph TAS. Once steady at 300 mph, engage auto-climb, go to max power with WEP. Record time required to reach 30k.
I've read the specs on the N and I'm aware of the high alt performance (assuming there isn't some idiot alt monkey even higher than my idiot alt monkey self is), but in the MA there isn't much going on up there and it takes a LONG climb out to get to 20k. Maybe buff hunting...but I spent 45 minutes flying around at 24k dodging mountain tops and I didn't see ANYTHING up there except for the goober in the P-51D 4k above ME. I got away from him by diving, and luckly he was a lousy shot to boot. Maybe the N's climb performance stays better and doesn't fall off like others..... but it still isn't much. It's just better than some. And I don't really like to use wep to climb because I need it to give me a false sense of security while I'm bleeding E and preparing to be turned into little tiny bits by a cherry picking LA 7.
Obviously it isn't a plane you just hop in a go with no experience... and I'm sure I overestimated the help that my AW P-47 time would be. I R teh sux.
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yeah the 47N is a killer, you're probably pulling too hard on the stick,,,think eeeeezeeeeee on the stick, about 1/2 the input you would if flying a turn n burn bird.
DEFLECTION SHOOTING skills is a MUST.
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Yes there were some 150 Ta152 H1's built but most of them never recieved engines.
Skywofl, you just have to find the fights where people fly high, I've seen alot lately, specially rooks tend to like to fly high it seems like.
Also, flying at 15k+ doesn't mean you have to fight at 15k+. What you really want when you get alt is to have the enemies bellow you. B&Z, use your energy, that's where the N really shows what it's made of.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Yes there were some 150 Ta152 H1's built but most of them never recieved engines.
Skywofl, you just have to find the fights where people fly high, I've seen alot lately, specially rooks tend to like to fly high it seems like.
Well we try to be over the knight ... but my word is : it's the bishop fault !
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Ok, let's blame the bishcuits!
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it's a kind of food chain , the bishop being the plankton :D
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LOL!
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Originally posted by straffo
it's a kind of food chain , the bishop being the plankton :D
Hehheh....Don't I know it. I switched to the Bish in a noble effort to lend my meager skills to the lopsided fighting. But I'm pretty much fodder and other than absorbing bullets that might be fired at someone else I'm freakin' useless.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Yes there were some 150 Ta152 H1's built but most of them never recieved engines.
I believe only 12 saw action.
I'd love the 152C, with 4x20mm and 1x30mm, even though it had the Dora wings and a less powerful engine (more weight, less power, less wing area = MUCH worse performance, but MAN OH MAN, the firepower!!! *No* bomber would survive that!)
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Actually Krusty the Ta 152 C used DB engines, gave it better speed bellow 30k, specially with the use of MW50. It did have shorter wings (bit longer the Dora) thus it would have turned worse. But speed alone together with the gun pack would have made it a killer.
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Oooh, I didn't know it used a different type of engine, I thought it was the same engine but lesser rating!
In the words of Richard Dean Anderson, "Sweet"
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Will post the figures tomorrow Krusty.
It would be a sweet ride for sure.
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Its 1 thing to furball yrself silly in a spit5 - a 6 yearold with downsyndrome could do that.
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:lol LMAO :lol
I have a couple of kills on P-47Ns at high alt 20-25k luckly for my 109 G10 and I they were AFK. Cause it is a monster at Alt.
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P-47N stalls gently for a big fighter bomber. Hmmmmmmm
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You can dive it straight down and not rip the wings off.
be careful. You WIIL rip the wingts off if you rotate too quickly into a high g climb. ask how i know.....:furious :cry
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while we discuss planes ENY....why the KI84 has 15 ENY while the spit9 has 8 ? Ki84 is faster, turns better, well its 20mm are slow velocity if I remember well, but I can't think of another thing that is better on the spit that the KI...
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ENY is decided by a combination of capability and usage.
Also, the Spit will out turn a Ki-84 if the Ki-84 pilot doesn't know how to get more out of it. The Spit is easier to use.
The Ki-84's cannons aren't low velocity anymore than the Fw190D-9's are. The only cannons that might be considered low velocity are the Bf109E and Bf110C-4b's MG/FF 20mm cannon, the A6M2's Type 99 Model 1 20mm cannon and the Mk108 30mm cannon. All other cannon are noticably better than those.
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ok I understand your point as the spit is easier to use. I meant low speed compared to the hispanos.
Btw I've read that the MG/FF cannons and and the Mk108 were throwing mines that were devastating :)
will we have the Mk103 someday ?