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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: TDeacon on September 12, 2005, 07:40:53 PM
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From the WWII in Color website:
(http://home.comcast.net/~mark.hinds/misc_online_storage_dir/b25_testing_guns.jpg)
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SWEET!!!!
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Bet that scared some cats ;)
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HOLY BUJESUS!! LSDKJSLD{IGJ GNEEEDS DE FIGGIN MITCHELL NOW!!!! NEEDZ TEH L33T MITCHELL!!!!
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50 cals are frigging noisy!
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Originally posted by Angus
50 cals are frigging noisy!
Congrats, you just won the 'Understatement of the Century' award.
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This seems to be some kind of attacker version of the B-25, look at the .50's in the glass nose, I don't think the normal version had it?
It might have 8 x .50's in the nose (included side-mg's) + 1 x .50 for the bombardier and 2 x .50 in the top-turret
That comes down to 11 offensive machine guns!
I would fly that ;)
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Probably a special customization job in the field, with the top turret locked forward. I don't know if there would be a bombadier (mostly these things were for low level attacks, with all the guns firing forward). Probably removed the bombadier to make room for the 4x50cal in the nose and to save weight. If the top turret was locked in place, also, then it might have been an early version that inspired the solid nose of later models.
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how cute, the noob hasnt figured out how to start engines yet.
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And he's shooting on the runway, lol! He'll learn about KS the second he pings a teammate with 10x50cals!
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That is the standard glass-nosed configuration from the D-5 series onward. The cheek guns were added as part of the Pappy Gunn modiifcations with the C/Ds and became standard. The dorsal turret was moved forward with the H. This is a standard J model as far as I can tell, bombadier included. The "strafer" solid nose J had 8 in the nose, 4 on the cheek and 2 in the turret for a total of 14 fwd firing .50s. The cheek guns were removed on occasion beacuse it was somewhat "overkill."
Charon
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Charon, look at the picture more carefully. The glass nose has 4 extra 50cal barrels protruding from it. This is not the standard glass nose, as you say :)
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Originally posted by frank3
This seems to be some kind of attacker version of the B-25, look at the .50's in the glass nose, I don't think the normal version had it?
It might have 8 x .50's in the nose (included side-mg's) + 1 x .50 for the bombardier and 2 x .50 in the top-turret
That comes down to 11 offensive machine guns!
I would fly that ;)
Look up the A-26....
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did bomb aimers on B-25's often suffer with hearing problems?
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Those guns aren't there on most B25s, so I'd bet "no". The cheek guns and a single flex mount nose gun were standard for the glass nose bomber.
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Charon, look at the picture more carefully. The glass nose has 4 extra 50cal barrels protruding from it. This is not the standard glass nose, as you say
It has exactly the number it is supposed to have as a standard J model.
Medium Bomber Version: One flexible 0.50-inch machine gun in nose, 300 rounds. One fixed 0.50-inch machine gun in nose, 300 rounds. Beginning with B-25J-20, a second fixed 0.50-inch gun was added in the nose.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/b025-17.html
B-25J Mitchell: The most extensively produced B-25 variant, with deliveries totaling 4,318 aircraft, this 'Medium Level Bomber' had a crew of six with a glazed nose carrying one trainable and two fixed forward-firing 0.5 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns. The dorsal turret was moved further forward to a position just to the rear of the main cabin, and the first 150 aircraft were completed with provisions for a 2,000 lb bomb or torpedo. Many of the aircraft were later adapted with a 'solid' nose and armed with eight 50 cal Browning machine guns. Variants that were produced as conversions from B-25J standard included the CB-25J Mitchell utility transport and the VB-25J Mitchell staff transport.
http://members.fortunecity.com/llium/history/warbirds/usa/b-25.html
...The B-25J was effectively the same as a B-25H, but with no 75 millimeter cannon and a different nose, or rather a pair of alternate noses. The first was a glass nose with one flexible and two fixed 12.7 millimeter Brownings, and the second was a "strafer" nose with eight 12.7 millimeter Brownings. The longer noses resulted in the B-25J returning to the length of the B-25C/D. In principle, the strafer nose could be fitted to earlier B-25 variants in the field. Other changes included reinstatement of the copilot position, giving the B-15J a six-man crew, and uprated P&W R-2600-29 engines...
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:5L_DDCItyzQJ:[url]www.vectorsite.net/avb25.html+B-25+nose+armament&hl=en&start=17[/url]
There is also a cutaway of a J model here. It is a pre -20 with only the single fixed .50 fitted and the single flex .50.
1 flex, two fixed (lower right), four chin (two showing two on the other side). They are exactly where they are supposed to be. The tracer streams match up to the appropriate barrells. The two far chin streams appear to be obscured by the smoke, but you can make them out of you look closely.
Some operators (I believe the Brits in particular) removed the fixed forward .50s in uints that conducted pure medium altitude mission profiles.
Charon
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I stand corrected
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if only we had some b25s
or a NEW plane
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Have the options package for either standard bomber mode or ground attacker and the fighter boys would have to make a close pass to determine which model they faced before coming back in for a head on pass.
Where do we sign up? and include the 75mm gun option and you will never get me out of it :)
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This reminds me....
make bombers capable of being crewed by more than 1 gunner!
I pine for the days of Air Warrior when I could pile squaddies up in a bomber for some low-level hell...
GF