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Title: Responsibility
Post by: Silat on September 13, 2005, 03:00:08 PM
Interesting.

So I guess contrary to some opinions in here Bush thinks the Feds acted poorly.

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Tuesday that "I take responsibility" for failures in dealing with Hurricane Katrina and that the disaster raised broader questions about the government's ability to respond to natural disasters as well as terror attacks.

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government," Bush said at joint White House news conference with the president of Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9324891/
Title: Re: Responsibility
Post by: Ripsnort on September 13, 2005, 03:02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Silat
Interesting.

So I guess contrary to some opinions in here Bush thinks the Feds acted poorly.

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Tuesday that "I take responsibility" for failures in dealing with Hurricane Katrina and that the disaster raised broader questions about the government's ability to respond to natural disasters as well as terror attacks.

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government," Bush said at joint White House news conference with the president of Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9324891/


No, some of us believe ALL levels of Gov't acted poorly. That is contrary to some  that believed it was ALL Bush's fault.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Toad on September 13, 2005, 03:04:39 PM
Yep. They all get to wear the clown hat; local, state and federal.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Sixpence on September 13, 2005, 03:39:42 PM
That's what gives a person credibility, to stand up as the person in charge and take responsibility. Good PR move if you ask me
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Ripsnort on September 13, 2005, 03:46:40 PM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
That's what gives a person credibility, to stand up as the person in charge and take responsibility.


As my 2003 signature points out....
Title: Responsibility
Post by: soda72 on September 13, 2005, 03:53:25 PM
I'm glad Bush has taken responsibility for the Feds response.  He needed to...

"I take responsibility", are three words I doubt you will hear from the Mayor or Governor..

They're too busy try'n to figure out how to make buses float on water...
Title: Responsibility
Post by: BTW on September 13, 2005, 04:13:05 PM
Blanco's behavior in this disaster is inexcusable. She is acting like a spoiled child. Mary Landrieu has used it as a politcal soapbox. She reminds me of a political robot with no human feeling.
Nagin made mistakes and I think he's to the point of admitting them.

The headline should've read " Bush admits mistakes while the rest of the clowns sit in denial."
Title: Responsibility
Post by: midnight Target on September 13, 2005, 04:39:11 PM
Well good for him.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: beet1e on September 13, 2005, 04:50:40 PM
Hmmm, well...

...not being one to criticise foreign heads of state, I found this cartoon interesting in today's Torygraph. - http://www.telegraph.co.uk

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/graphics/2005/09/13/ixd13big.jpg)



I can't comment on this newspaper's opinion of W, but here is an earlier cartoon.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/graphics/2005/09/08/ixd08big.gif)

No comment from me - maintaining my impartiality.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Flatbar on September 13, 2005, 05:00:25 PM
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Originally posted by BTW
Blanco's behavior in this disaster is inexcusable. She is acting like a spoiled child. Mary Landrieu has used it as a politcal soapbox. She reminds me of a political robot with no human feeling.
Nagin made mistakes and I think he's to the point of admitting them.

The headline should've read " Bush admits mistakes while the rest of the clowns sit in denial."


As time goes by things will get sorted out as far as responsibility goes...

The Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report Tuesday afternoon asserting that Louisiana governor Katherine Blanco took the necessary and timely steps needed to secure disaster relief from the federal government, RAW STORY has learned.


http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Nonpartisan_congressional_research_report_finds_Louisiana_governor_took_nece_0913.html
Title: Responsibility
Post by: soda72 on September 13, 2005, 05:29:58 PM
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Originally posted by BTW
Blanco's behavior in this disaster is inexcusable. She is acting like a spoiled child. Mary Landrieu has used it as a politcal soapbox. She reminds me of a political robot with no human feeling.
Nagin made mistakes and I think he's to the point of admitting them.

The headline should've read " Bush admits mistakes while the rest of the clowns sit in denial."


(http://www.cagle.com/working/050912/kelley.gif)
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Silat on September 14, 2005, 12:40:39 AM
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Originally posted by soda72
I'm glad Bush has taken responsibility for the Feds response.  He needed to...

"I take responsibility", are three words I doubt you will hear from the Mayor or Governor..

They're too busy try'n to figure out how to make buses float on water...



Yes and my point is that those were words we havent heard from Bush ever..............
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Toad on September 14, 2005, 10:13:33 AM
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Originally posted by Silat
Yes and my point is that those were words we havent heard from Bush ever..............


Bush on Katrina response: 'I take responsibility' (http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2005-09-13T160746Z_01_WBT003818_RTRIDST_0_KATRINA-BUSH-RESPONSIBILITY-URGENT.XML)

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"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government, and to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do it's job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Holden McGroin on September 14, 2005, 11:08:13 AM
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Originally posted by BTW
The headline should've read " Bush admits mistakes while the rest of the clowns sit in denial."


I thought the were sitting in the Mississippi.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Thrawn on September 14, 2005, 11:34:04 AM
Prime Minister Martin took responisbility for the ad scam scandal up here.  He then said that once in inquiry into it is completed he was going to hold a federal election.

Besides saying the words what has Bush actually put on the line.  If there is an impeachment hearing into his actions vis a vis FEMA and it's involvement in NO etc.  Is it to be construed that he has in fact already "plead guilty"?
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Clifra Jones on September 14, 2005, 12:10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Prime Minister Martin took responisbility for the ad scam scandal up here.  He then said that once in inquiry into it is completed he was going to hold a federal election.

Besides saying the words what has Bush actually put on the line.  If there is an impeachment hearing into his actions vis a vis FEMA and it's involvement in NO etc.  Is it to be construed that he has in fact already "plead guilty"?


I just wish you people who do not live here would read and learn SOMETHING about this country before you open your yaps and make yourself look stupid.

An elected official CANNOT be impeached for what is a failure to perform their duties. They can only be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors", i.e. breaking the law.

Now, guess what, if GW had in fact rested control of the National Guard from the LA Gov. and took complete control of the rescue/relief operation he just might have been guilty of a crime. Don't think that his opponents would not have jumped on that.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: BigGun on September 14, 2005, 02:04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Prime Minister Martin took responisbility for the ad scam scandal up here.  He then said that once in inquiry into it is completed he was going to hold a federal election.

Besides saying the words what has Bush actually put on the line.  If there is an impeachment hearing into his actions vis a vis FEMA and it's involvement in NO etc.  Is it to be construed that he has in fact already "plead guilty"?


wow..shining with ignorance!
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Thrawn on September 14, 2005, 09:15:13 PM
Clifra, I certainly am ignorant of the topic, hence I was asking questions about it.  Besides your rant in the first paragraph, I appreciate your response.  It was very informative.


BigGun, thank you also for meaningful contribution to the dialogue.  I can only hope that one day I can be an intellectual giant such as yourself.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Eagler on September 14, 2005, 09:16:32 PM
dam if he does, dam if he doesn't
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Nash on September 14, 2005, 09:37:18 PM
Dam if he does? Dam if he doesn't?

That's rich.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Toad on September 14, 2005, 09:38:50 PM
Can anyone think of a politician of any country that said "I'm responsible" and then resigned his office?
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Nash on September 14, 2005, 09:40:11 PM
Proving that the words: "I'm responsible" mean nothing.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Sandman on September 14, 2005, 09:42:47 PM
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Originally posted by Toad
Can anyone think of a politician of any country that said "I'm responsible" and then resigned his office?


Nixon?
Title: Responsibility
Post by: lasersailor184 on September 14, 2005, 09:44:13 PM
I'm quoting myself from another thread.  Hopefully it will open a few eyes.

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It's really easy to pick out the real men.


Some men will say, "It's not my fault. I didn't cause this."

Real men will say, "It's my responsibility." That doesn't mean that they caused it. Or that they are the reason things happened that way.


It means he has the balls to step up and make sure things get fixed.




Well, at least that's what my dad taught me as a kid. I guess all the liberal dad's did not teach them the same thing.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Sandman on September 14, 2005, 09:47:38 PM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'm quoting myself from another thread.  Hopefully it will open a few eyes.


Hmmm... the bait is just a stinky on this thread as the other one.

If you think your opinion is going to open up anyone's eyes, you're fooling yourself.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Nash on September 14, 2005, 09:49:49 PM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'm quoting myself from another thread.  Hopefully it will open a few eyes.


You think much too highly of yourself.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: lasersailor184 on September 14, 2005, 09:50:10 PM
I'm sorry.  Sometimes I become proud about how much better I was raised then other guys.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Sandman on September 14, 2005, 09:51:03 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
You think much too highly of yourself.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Toad on September 15, 2005, 01:46:51 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
Proving that the words: "I'm responsible" mean nothing.


Yep.

In any country.

In any time.

From any politician.

Which makes it all pretty silly to make a big deal over.

Any intelligent person knew he'd say it eventually and knew it wouldn't mean anything.

Just like it has never meant anything from any politician since time began.

But I guess it makes some people feel good to hear it.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: SaburoS on September 15, 2005, 03:03:27 AM
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hmmm, well...

...not being one to criticise foreign heads of state, I found this cartoon interesting in today's Torygraph. - http://www.telegraph.co.uk

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/graphics/2005/09/13/ixd13big.jpg)



I can't comment on this newspaper's opinion of W, but here is an earlier cartoon.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/graphics/2005/09/08/ixd08big.gif)

No comment from me - maintaining my impartiality.


Yeah, REEEEAAALLL impartial. Right.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: storch on September 15, 2005, 05:59:33 AM
President Bush, in three words effectively neutered the oppositions sniping and ankle biting by doing something that no democratic party politician ever will, step up to plate and accept what ever comes his way.  his acceptance of responsibility for the relatively poor emergency response to what is arguably the worst natural disaster in U.S. history will more than likely be noted and even possibly remembered by the citizens.  you can be sure i will utilize this example of leadership as we sit in the shade and discuss things next national election cycle.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Silat on September 15, 2005, 06:37:58 AM
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Originally posted by storch
President Bush, in three words effectively neutered the oppositions sniping and ankle biting by doing something that no democratic party politician ever will, step up to plate and accept what ever comes his way.  his acceptance of responsibility for the relatively poor emergency response to what is arguably the worst natural disaster in U.S. history will more than likely be noted and even possibly remembered by the citizens.  you can be sure i will utilize this example of leadership as we sit in the shade and discuss things next national election cycle.



You really arent trying to say that no dem has ever taken responsibility?
Title: Responsibility
Post by: storch on September 15, 2005, 07:14:46 AM
trying?  with the exception of Harry Truman (who was someone that undoubtedly would be a republican today)  I can think of no other post war democratic party politician that has ever accepted responsibility for anything ("I did not have sexual relations with that chubby intern, no suh, uh uh not me, nooooooo suh, nevah, nope, uh uh").  finger pointers and whiners, a party of effeminate whiny finger pointers down to the lowest of the rank and file.  look at who the democratic party champions are today.  :D
Title: Responsibility
Post by: lazs2 on September 15, 2005, 08:07:00 AM
klinton took responsibility for Waco but he's not on death row.

lazs
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Toad on September 15, 2005, 09:17:35 AM
I remember Reno taking full responsibility, not Clinton... but I'm getting old and memory fails me now.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: AWMac on September 15, 2005, 10:11:45 AM
Yep it was Reno.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Maverick on September 15, 2005, 11:33:11 AM
Yep Reno stepped up to the podium and said the decision was hers, not the on scene commander. I may not agree with her decision but I can and do respect her for stating she was the one responsible.

Going in that same concern, it took a FBI investigation complete with DNA analysis to get the head of the same administration to admit what the evidence already proved and confirmed that he committed perjury (a felony) while in office. In that situation, had he just simply said, yep I did it, I'm sorry and it won't happen again, the Republicans wouldn't have had any ammunition to use in a investigation much less an impeachment. Quite a bit of money would have been saved.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: SaburoS on September 15, 2005, 11:52:43 AM
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Originally posted by storch
trying?  with the exception of Harry Truman (who was someone that undoubtedly would be a republican today)  I can think of no other post war democratic party politician that has ever accepted responsibility for anything ("I did not have sexual relations with that chubby intern, no suh, uh uh not me, nooooooo suh, nevah, nope, uh uh").  finger pointers and whiners, a party of effeminate whiny finger pointers down to the lowest of the rank and file.  look at who the democratic party champions are today.  :D


Uhn, this wouldn't be you with your whiny, finger pointing of others here, now would it? ;)

I remember Carter taking responsibility for the failed Iran hostage rescue mission.

I can't recall Reagan ever taking responsibility for Iran-Contra. His "best" response was "I can't recall." That ecoed the same in the MCA scandal around when he was governor as well.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: BTW on September 15, 2005, 12:32:04 PM
This responsibility thing may be catching..

 >> "We all know that there were failures at every level of government: state, federal and local. At the state level, we must take a careful look at what went wrong and make sure it never happens again. The buck stops here, and as your governor, I take full responsibility," Blanco told lawmakers in a special meeting of the Louisiana Legislature. " <<



http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/091405cccawwlblanco.91ae1386.html
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Krusher on September 15, 2005, 12:38:24 PM
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Originally posted by SaburoS


I remember Carter taking responsibility for the failed Iran hostage rescue mission.

 


I could be wrong, but I am fairly certain President Carter never did anything of the sort.  Even though the mission failed it was not because of planning or logistics it was a sand storm and mechanical failures.  While the failure may be a part of the reason he lost the election, the media never blamed him for it.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Krusher on September 15, 2005, 12:45:34 PM
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Originally posted by Toad
I remember Reno taking full responsibility, not Clinton... but I'm getting old and memory fails me now.


Clinton apologized for Vietnam, slavery, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments,  the arrest and convictions of several dem campaign contributors (oh wait that was pardons) and he apologized for disappointing the American public over Monica.  But he didn't apologize for torching men women and children at Waco.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: SaburoS on September 15, 2005, 12:54:13 PM
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Originally posted by Krusher
I could be wrong, but I am fairly certain President Carter never did anything of the sort.  Even though the mission failed it was not because of planning or logistics it was a sand storm and mechanical failures.  While the failure may be a part of the reason he lost the election, the media never blamed him for it.

I remember it. It was televised.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Krusher on September 15, 2005, 12:57:28 PM
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Originally posted by SaburoS
I remember it. It was televised.


Its not a biggie, but I dont suppose you have a link to the transcipt ?
Title: Responsibility
Post by: SaburoS on September 15, 2005, 01:09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Krusher
Its not a biggie, but I dont suppose you have a link to the transcipt ?

Sorry, most what I post are from memory. You'll have to search for it as I don't have the time right now.
Title: Responsibility
Post by: lazs2 on September 15, 2005, 02:18:23 PM
I believe that both reno and klinton accepted responsibility for Waco... they both made the same meaningless gesture...  neither was punished in any way.

lazs
Title: Responsibility
Post by: Gh0stFT on September 15, 2005, 02:35:36 PM
"I take responsibility"

well if you ask me, he is responsible for much much more then
this natural disaster Hurrican Kathrina....
...but who asks me at all ;)