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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on September 14, 2005, 10:32:15 PM
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I really do, a very nice round shoot. Seemingly more pleasent than 40.
So since I dont really care for 9mm it seems to be 40 or 45 for my handgun.
So...
Sig P220 - really nice and lots of fun
Sig P226 - always good
HK USP45 C or FS - something cool about these and the 10rds in the
FS are great
HK P2000 - very cool little pistol and better ergonomics than the USP
Maybe should a ridiculously expensive 1911 too
****ing choices!
:)
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I don't think you need an extremely high quality 1911. I think a standard 1911 from a good company will do you well.
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ACP stands for 'Automatic, Colt; Pistol'.
using anything else is just heracy.
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I love my Ruger P90DC.
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There is a local range with a Les Baer 1911 to rent, gto and I gotta shoot that one next time we visit.
And lazs has some Kimbers too, and I'd love to shoot one but I cant get up there very easily during the week.
I havent shot a 1911 in years, but I'm pretty sure one was the first handgun I ever fired.
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Best use of .45 ACP ever:
(http://www.auto-ordnance.com/images/1928.gif)
:aok
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Tommy gun is lots of fun to shoot!!
I'd love to have a tommy gun and one of these to go drive it to the range.. :)
(http://imgs.idnes.cz/ak_aktual/A031229_SAM_1024CHRYSLER300C01_N.JPG)
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Yeah, Tommy Gun is fun...and smokey as hell! Unless it was just the loads they were using where I shot it.
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Jackin 'em up and puttin 'em down fer nearly 100 years.
Nothin' can 'blow the stuffin outta the muffin' better than a 1911.
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"If you mean USSR - it never relied on prison labour. It relied on devoted enthusiasts. --- Boroda "
Did he really say this (and mean it)?
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I love teh .45ACP myself.
Great round. Stupid glock tried to improve it and failed cause they suck. :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I really do, a very nice round shoot. Seemingly more pleasent than 40.
So since I dont really care for 9mm it seems to be 40 or 45 for my handgun.
So...
Sig P220 - really nice and lots of fun
Sig P226 - always good
HK USP45 C or FS - something cool about these and the 10rds in the
FS are great
HK P2000 - very cool little pistol and better ergonomics than the USP
Maybe should a ridiculously expensive 1911 too
****ing choices!
:)
As stated previously, I owm the USP 45. I'm now partial to HK.
HOWEVER, a Kimber Custom would be perfect for the 1911 style (Single Action/DA).
Sig's are great too, you cannot go wrong.
I'll never own a 9mm.
Karaya
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HK
nuff said
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i fondled a gold cup once.
better than viagra.
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The 226 doesn't come in .45.
I have several Sig 220's (ST, Rail and stnd) in .45, and in my personal biased opinion, since I teach for SigArms, it's the best all round .45 you can buy in terms of accuracy, longevity, and plain simplicity to use.
That said, I've ALWAYS shot better with a 1911 frame gun, they just sit in my mits better, and I have multiple Kimbers and a couple real high end Baers and one Valtro.
No matter what you chuck it through, the .45 is the best all round ..round, next to .357SIG anyhow.
As for HK's, I have a SOCOM in .45, but it's the only one of their models I have seen break in less than 4 months use on our range, and I've probably had a dozen USP's have slide fractures and other issues. That's on a very VERY busy range however, most folks never shoot that much. I've never had a 226 or 220 go down with anything more than a 2 dollar spring issue, and one of my 226's is pushing 150,000 rounds. I really like the HK's though, and their dual spring system in the slide makes it the easiest pistol out there to cycle, so when you're doing one handed pistol drills, racking the slide off your heel or belt/holster is easy as hell compared to a Sig weapon.
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The .45 in a pistol tends to be less harsh in recoil than a .40 to me. More of a push than a hard rap to the hand.
The tommy gun was nice but I prefer the old M3 or M3A1 "grease" gun as it fires the same round and is MUCH easier to care for not to mention quite a bit lighter.
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I prefer the 9mm over the 45 APC for several reasons.....
1) Because the recoil is much more managable, I can acheive far better speed with accuracy, especially on double taps, with the 9mm as opposed to the 45.
2) I can hoist around a max total of 20 rounds in my Glock 19 versus 8 rounds max in the standard Colt without reloading. ( I use Glock 17 Clips with my Glock19 with a spacer allowing for two more rounds plus one in the barrel when I am so inclined). This simply Means I can bring down a medium sized crowd of evil doers and be alive to reload if I have to.
3) the percentage of one shot stops is 87% for the 9mm vrs 89% for the 45 (see link). A difference of 2% is a percent I will trade for nearly tripple the amount of ammo instantly available to the finger.
http://www.sdmahaney.org/ccw-model/html/one-shot.htm
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SIGs are non-ergonomic, hard to manage, pieces of poo. Their design automatically makes it difficult to get your grip high enough on the weapon to properly manage recoil. Shooting is hard enough, why handicap yourself from the start by shooting one of these poorly designed firearms?
Terror
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Originally posted by Terror
SIGs are non-ergonomic, hard to manage, pieces of poo. Their design automatically makes it difficult to get your grip high enough on the weapon to properly manage recoil. Shooting is hard enough, why handicap yourself from the start by shooting one of these poorly designed firearms?
Terror
PS. If you want an extremely reliable firearm in .45ACP go GLOCK21, if you want a pretty, but less reliable, .45ACP, go 1911.
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the best round for handguns is the 44 mag... it is the best balance of power and weight and recoil every made... It is not for everyone tho... It is easy to reload for and can be loaded for anythiog from plastic bullets using only primers for power to loads with well over a half a ton of energy and everything in between..
but.... I like the weak little .45 even tho it only works in a very narrow power band (except in my 45 acp revolvers) and throws away it's brass and can be really inaccurate in most guns and has a short usable range...
It is fun to shoot and I have about 20,000 empty cases so I don't care about the brass much...
I agree that I just seem to shoot the 1911 style better... I am VERY fond of Kimbers.. if I needed to carry tho I might give the nod to the HK.
I don't really care how many rounds a handgun holds...5 is plenty.. if I need more... I am probly screwed anyway.
lazs
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Terror, I think by now everyone is well aware of your obsession with Glocks and your dislike of SIGs. By the same token, everyone is just as aware you are the only one who has this mental disease. I dont blame you, its probably the well water in New Melle. Try filtering.
An endorsement is fine, but I dont think we need your constant bashing of SIG every time a thread comes up that includes one.
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PS. If you want an extremely reliable firearm in .45ACP go GLOCK21, if you want a pretty, but less reliable, .45ACP, go 1911.
Bull**** dude. The only problems I've ever had were with glocks.
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One more you ought to consider, is the .38 Super. I thought it had died off but apparently people are still shooting it and its getting popular again. Last month's GUNS magazine had an article on a Les Baer .38 Super Chief Commanche. It's a commander sized 1911 shooting .38 Supers.
Lighter than a .45, more rounds, has a punch similar to a .357 Magnum.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Bull**** dude. The only problems I've ever had were with glocks.
They only problems that I have ever seen a Glock have are either from using home reloaded ammo or a "tuned" Glock (Where a "gunsmith" tried to customize the trigger). Glock has proven itself all over the globe as top of the line of reliable semi-auto handguns.
Here is a quote from a thread about a 1911 vs Glock 1000rnd competition (http://www.tdsa.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=18;t=10;st=0) .
WELL HERE THEY ARE!!!!!!!
THE FIRST ANNUAL 1911 VS. GLOCK MATCH RESULTS.
18 total shooters
9-Glock
5 Model 17's
1 Model 19
1 Model 34
2 Model 21's
9-1911
1 Springfield 9mm
1 Springfield 45
1 Norinco 45
1 Les Baer 45
1 Colt 38 Super (Tigger)
1 Colt 9mm
1 Colt 45
1 STI 9mm
1 SV 9mm
* Funny it worked that way, we sure did not plan it to have one of everything..
* Each gun shot 1,000 rounds starting at 8:30 am and ending at 5pm.
21 stages plus a empty your ammo box session at the end to finish all the ammo that was left over. A difficult match always has several misses causing everyone to have different amounts of ammo left over. So we had to get in through their guns to meet the 1,000 round requirement.
We had shots ranging from 25 yard freestyle at 12 inch plates to 5 yard shots while laying on your back shooting upside down at steel swingers. And lets not forget the off hand shooting while leaning out so far they really wanted to lay down to keep from falling over..
It was full of fast shooting with some slow long distance stuff. But mostly fast and and furious, just like a gunfight turns out to be. Hence my point I was going far.
And here is a more detailed break down..
I will not post names. But will let everyone that shot tell who they are if they feel the need. Suffice it to say all of the these shooters were VERY well trained and all Believed very much that their gun would make the 1,000 rounds without failing to fire.
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1st Place - "H.M." Glock 17 *709.93 sec.*
(Heinie Sights, 3.5# connector w/ new York Spring)
NO MALFUNTIONS
2nd Place - "J.F." STI 9mm *731.53 sec.*
(Polymer Widebody, undercut grips, beveled magwell, trigger job, trigger insert, hard chrome, After extractor, lightened and serrated slide, adjustable rear sights, fiber optic front sight, full lenght guide rod)
1 jam (locked back with round still in mag)
*Shooter said the mags are causing it
**This happened another time, but did not count since it was on the last round of a stage.
3rd Place - "G.L." Glock 17 *755.04 sec.*
(Extended mag release)
NO MALFUNCTIONS
4th Place - "R.P." SV 9mm *888.60 sec.*
(Stippled undercut grips, beveled magwell, trigger job, lightened slide, bomar sights, fiber optic front sight, full lenght guide rod)
2 jams (failed to feeds)
5th Place - "A.C." Les Baer- Thunder Ranch Special 45cal *889.44 sec.*
(S&A mag well, replaced grips)
2 jams (failure to feeds)
6th Place - "D.C." Glock 34 *960.28 sec.*
(Sights, Gip Tape, JP mag well)
NO MALFUNTIONS
7th Place - "R.C." Springfield 9mm *996.07 sec.*
(hogue grips)
NO MALFUNCTIONS
8th Place - "P.B." Glock 17 *1001.42 sec.*
(Steel sights, extended slide release)
NO MALFUNCTIONS
9th Place - "T.B." Colt Lwt Comander 38Super *1028.22 sec.*
(Bomar sights, magwell, checkered front strap, grips, EWG sear and hammer, trigger, coating-TEFCOAT 2, throating and polishing)
1 jam (fail to extract)
10th Place - "J.M." Glock 21 45cal. *1039.26 sec.*
(Stainless steel guide rod, extended slike release)
4 jams (all failing to feed first round from mag when dropping the slide with slide release)
11th Place - "A.C." Glock 21 45cal. *1043.63 sec.*
(Titanium guide rod, aluminium seattle slug, heinie sights, extended slide release, precision locking block)
4 jams (3 failing to feed first round from mag when dropping the slide with slide release, one stove pipe while shooting up side down)
12th Place - "M.A." Colt 45cal. *1047.61 sec.*
(Mag well)
2 jams (failure to feeds)
13th Place - "R.S." Glock 19 *1082.38 sec.*
(Guide rod, mag well, titanium firing pin, plunger, 3.5# connector, trigger job, extended slide release and extended mag release)
NO MALFUNTIONS
14th Place - "J.S." Glock 17 *1092.93 sec.*
(3.5# connector, stainless steel guide rod)
NO MALFUNTIONS
15th Place - "D.G." Springfield Armory *1172.38 sec.*
(S&A magwell, Kart barrel, checkered front strap, customized by Alan Tillman @ A.R.T. Enterprizes)
5 jams (failure to feeds)
*** Staff stopped counting at 5 jams
16th Place - "S.M." Norinco 45cal. *NO SCORE* Late arrival
(No comments on modifications, Not stock though)
3 jams (2 Failure to feeds, 1 failure to extract - it needed pliers to extract the empty case)
17th Place - "T.B." Les Baer 45cal. *1389.36 sec.*
(Les Baer Priemer II, magwell, arched mainspring)
4 jams (failure to feeds, shooter used table to help force gun free from being locked closed)
18th Place - "G.W." Glock 17 *1544.81 sec.*
(Heine Straight 8 night sights, 1/2 trigger job, grip tape)
NO MALFUNTIONS
1911 Jams - 21
Glock Jams - 8
2 Glocks failed (both Model 21's 45cal)
8 1911's failed (varied)
Oh, just in case anyone missed it, a Glock won the match.
So much for a 1911 being SO much better than a glock for competition shooting.
Guys, That is IT !!!!!!
I think the team shooters will all tell you that we were more than fair with logging the malfunctions. If the shooter caused the problem and we could tell then the jams did not count. Two 1911's had failures on the last round and we did not count them since the stage was over. (lucky)
One Glock shooter let his slide hit a barricade so that did not count either. (dummy, how knew better)
Great job to the shooters for making it though a 1,000 round match.
Even more congrates to the workers that put on the 1,000 round match, Leonard Head, Dan Mancini and Keith Hinton (the hardest working guy out there)
Well the match pictures will be out soon. We will be contacting Glock and any other manufactures that want this info.
All the team shooters will have the first opportunity to come back next year to redeem themselves.
We have already had one Glock Team shooter volunteer to put his gun the safe and not clean it for the next year and come back to shoot the next Glock vs 1911 match. And he said, "We got to give the 1911's a chance, I figure it would only be fair!"
So if anyone has any questions please ask away, I will do my best to answer them...
Oh and as for me? What do I think about what I set up and ran this past weekend?
I have said for many years what I feel, if you know me then you know that. 1911's are like race cars, they do great in a race until they break down. And if you are in a race for fun then that is ok, but if you are in a race for your life, you can't afford to break down...
And now imagine that their is another option. That option is almost as good as that "race" car, but with almost NONE of it's problems... WOW, seems like a good, no a GREAT!!! compromise huh?
Well you have just figured out why a Glock is the best gun on the market for almost eveyone out there...
Easy to use
Very low malfuntion rate
Pretty accurate
And does not cost a arm and a leg....
And best of all, It keeps on shooting.. I had rather shoot one then clean it, or worry when I will need to clean it...
Both 1911 and Glock shooters carry big boxes. The only difference is the 1911 shooter's box is almost full of cleaning supplies and extra parts, the Glock shooter's box just has AMMO in it.
I hope I made my opinion clear...
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Len Baxley
Founder TDSA
I don't hate SIG, some great law enforcement officers are forced to use them. They are adequate. They just make an already difficult task, more difficult.
Terror
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Terror, I think by now everyone is well aware of your obsession with Glocks and your dislike of SIGs. By the same token, everyone is just as aware you are the only one who has this mental disease. I dont blame you, its probably the well water in New Melle. Try filtering.
An endorsement is fine, but I dont think we need your constant bashing of SIG every time a thread comes up that includes one.
Just telling the truth as I have experienced it. And do you really think calling a SIG a "piece of poo" is bashing? I thought I was being nice....
Terror
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Originally posted by Terror
SIGs are non-ergonomic, hard to manage, pieces of poo. Their design automatically makes it difficult to get your grip high enough on the weapon to properly manage recoil. Shooting is hard enough, why handicap yourself from the start by shooting one of these poorly designed firearms?
Terror
Oh BS, the barrel line is not that much higher then a 1911, and I do not notice much more then on a 1911 recoil wise.
Glocks feel like cheap plastic crap and have a ****ty trigger.
But if you like them thats fine.
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Handguns are an individual choice kind of thing. In my old department you had a choioce of 3 semi auto's if you were to use your own. A glock a S&W and a HK. Most of the folks chose the Glock due to price, mag cap and the fact that the armorers said they had fewer problems with the Glocks than the other 2 choices. Later on the department got a supply contract and started issueing HK USP's if you wanted an issue weapon. Quite a few who had the Glocks kept them, me included as I was already very used to the weapon and it did well for me on and off duty.
I used my duty rig and weapon for competition and didn't have any problems in doing so. I also used my own reloads for competition. I kept the 19 for both on and off duty use and never felt I was at a loss for doing so. I have 4 glocks now including my wifes little 26 and I have a 27 too. AFAIC the 19 was just as easy to conceal as the Colt stainless Officers Model it replaced and was the same size but with more than double the number of rounds in a lighter package.
If you like the gun you have, it serves you well and most improtantly is reliable and accurate for you then it's a good choice for you. It may not be the best choice for everyone. I know Laz likes the .44 mag but for an urban setting where you don't know what's behind the target it has far too much overpenetration for light weight targets like people. JMO based on the experiances I have had and the reading I have done. In bear country it's simply the best option out there for a factory unit with readily available ammo however.
Shoot what ya like and let the other guy (or gal) do the same. That's practicing freedom. :D
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I just got back from Reeds shooting range in mountain view or sunnyvale.
I got to play range master for a bunch of geeks from work who have not shot before or not in years.
We rented:
Glock 17
S&W 7 shot 38 (forgot the number)
BAER 1911 Thunder ranch special.
The glock everyone hated, nasty trigger, didnt point well, felt cheap, didnt feel good in the hand. No one wanted to shoot it.
Everyone liked the Smith, but the double action trigger was pretty bad, but very light if you cocked it.
The Les Baer was fun tell it broke. Yes it broke! The extractor gave out on round 47, I am sure it is a great gun, but the range master said it had 10k plus rounds on it. Still when it worked it was smooth and pretty acurate, I didnt like the grips. The trigger was VERY light with no creep.
They replaced it with a Kimber custom 2 that shot almost as smoothly, had a slightly heavier trigger and rubber grips I liked better.
I shot better over all with the kimber, but I was having issue getting used to the trigger on the baer.
Had a good time, Hopefully the thunder ranch will be working again when Grun and I go again!
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Originally posted by Maverick
Handguns are an individual choice kind of thing. In my old department you had a choioce of 3 semi auto's if you were to use your own. A glock a S&W and a HK. Most of the folks chose the Glock due to price, mag cap and the fact that the armorers said they had fewer problems with the Glocks than the other 2 choices. Later on the department got a supply contract and started issueing HK USP's if you wanted an issue weapon. Quite a few who had the Glocks kept them, me included as I was already very used to the weapon and it did well for me on and off duty.
I used my duty rig and weapon for competition and didn't have any problems in doing so. I also used my own reloads for competition. I kept the 19 for both on and off duty use and never felt I was at a loss for doing so. I have 4 glocks now including my wifes little 26 and I have a 27 too. AFAIC the 19 was just as easy to conceal as the Colt stainless Officers Model it replaced and was the same size but with more than double the number of rounds in a lighter package.
If you like the gun you have, it serves you well and most improtantly is reliable and accurate for you then it's a good choice for you. It may not be the best choice for everyone. I know Laz likes the .44 mag but for an urban setting where you don't know what's behind the target it has far too much overpenetration for light weight targets like people. JMO based on the experiances I have had and the reading I have done. In bear country it's simply the best option out there for a factory unit with readily available ammo however.
Shoot what ya like and let the other guy (or gal) do the same. That's practicing freedom. :D
Now thats a classy way to say you like Glocks!
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Laz
What do you think of Taurus Revolvers?
This one in particular?
MODEL 608 .357 Mag. REVOLVER 608 page (http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=608SS6&category=Revolver)
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I agree, shoot what you like, I shoot everything, as I work on a range that runs over 200 rental firearms, and I guarantee I have more rounds downrange than most folks, haveing done nothing but shoot everyday for the last few years. I've seen a lot of different guns go down in that time.
I'll never bash Glocks, I carry a 26 as a backup in the USA when I'm there, HOWEVER, to say that the only problems Glocks have occur when they are "gunsmithed" is simply ridiculous.
I've PERSONALLY seen over 2 dozen, probably over 25 G17's and G22's alone go K-boom, primarily rail guide seperations in the plastic frame, and that's just in 2 years of being on the ranges. The last Sig defensive course I was on all 3 Glocks on it went down. YES I've seen Sig's go down as well, but far, FAR more infrequently, and I've never had to send one back to the factory, where as I've been waiting over a year to get a dozen G17's fixed from the factory (I'm in Canada, it's a major pain sending stuff back to the US once it has come in, I realize it wouldn't be a problem in the US for you guys there).
Incidentaly, JTF2, our Special Forces unit in country here, uses 226's and 225's, and their armourer told me they've NEVER had a slide fracture failure, and they shoot WAY more than any Police Department per operator. Try and find me a PD armourer that will say the same about glocks. Calgary PD here has G22's going down a lot more often than they'd like.
I shot the Air Marshall qualification and while back, and passed it the first time too....with a G19 with the 3.5" trigger in it, and that was probably the best I've ever shot, with 2 thrown rounds killing my chance for a "possible". Go figure. My partner in crime with my training company here works as a private contractor right now with Triple Canopy in Baghdad, and they are all carrying G19's, and most of them are x-Delta/Seal/Marines, and could shoot whatever they want with the $$ they are getting.
Anyhow, it's the OPERATOR not the weapon IMHO, I've trained a TON with the best IDPA shooter in the world, Ernest Langdon, and he shoots everything, but mainly Sig220's and Beretta's, and I'll put him up against anyone in the world. It all comes down to getting whatever weapon you choose out of the holster quickly, getting it presented to the target, then making bullets fly and bad guys die.
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Think about the Taurus 24/7 in .45.
Alot less expensive than Hk and Sig and hi capacity mag's to boot. Mine shoots alot better once someone re-taught me how to shoot :D
Also, as to 1911, my Dads old Llamma still shoots like a dream 25+ years after its manufacture. Can't go wrong there. Kimber Raptor II is what I'm saving up for next.
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I carried a Colt Officers Model (45ACP) for a few years. Not a bad pistol, but it only liked 230 grain FMJ.
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Of all the current makers of 1911 pistols I think colt is the worst, you pay for the name and get way less for the money then say with a kimber.
Plus they used to use non standard trigger and hammer pins in their Ar-15s.
Didnt colt stop selling some guns to the public as well? (caving to the anti gun crowd?)
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GTO,
When do you think you mght go to Thunder Ranch? Ive read a lot about it, especially during ther Cooper time but haven't gone there. I hadn't heard it had shut down.
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I would love to go to thunder ranch, but have never firmed anything up.
Front Site is closer, I am not sure what one is better, but none of my friends will go with me.
Oddly I am the only Car/gun guy of my group of friends.
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Originally posted by Terror
They only problems that I have ever seen a Glock have are either from using home reloaded ammo or a "tuned" Glock (Where a "gunsmith" tried to customize the trigger). Glock has proven itself all over the globe as top of the line of reliable semi-auto handguns.
I don't hate SIG, some great law enforcement officers are forced to use them. They are adequate. They just make an already difficult task, more difficult.
Terror
Let me know next year when you and I can arrange a day of range time. I'll show up with my USP 45. We'll even meet in say.......Indianapolis area. I'm 5 hours from there. Sort of in the middle. Let me know if you wanna take me up on this. I'll fill up the tank of my Gas-Guzzling Explorer.
Karaya
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I would love to go to thunder ranch, but have never firmed anything up.
Front Site is closer, I am not sure what one is better, but none of my friends will go with me.
Oddly I am the only Car/gun guy of my group of friends.
In a couple of years I'd be willing to set something up for either.
Karaya
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Cool I will let ya know, front site is here in Cali.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Let me know next year when you and I can arrange a day of range time. I'll show up with my USP 45. We'll even meet in say.......Indianapolis area. I'm 5 hours from there. Sort of in the middle. Let me know if you wanna take me up on this. I'll fill up the tank of my Gas-Guzzling Explorer.
Karaya
Good to go! Sometime this winter should be good. From November 15 to January 15, my company freezes all changes to the computer environment, so it's a good time for me to take a few days off. If you have some time then, I say lets do it!
And according to packing.org (http://www.packing.org) Indiana honors my Missouri CCW. Just got to be real careful crossing Illinois. Keep the carry gun unloaded and locked up while in Illinois!
I also notice you are looking into getting some training... I've been taking training through this outfit: The Defensive Shooting Academy (http://www.fastshooting.com). A good group of guys...
Got a busy weekend coming up. IDPA on Saturday and GSSF on Sunday. Gonna be FUN!
Terror
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Oh BS, the barrel line is not that much higher then a 1911, and I do not notice much more then on a 1911 recoil wise.
Glocks feel like cheap plastic crap and have a ****ty trigger.
But if you like them thats fine.
1911's are pretty good about allowing the grip high enough to manage recoil. It's the SIGs that just annoy me. If I had to choose a firearm other than a Glock, then it would be a 1911.
Compared to a 1911, Glocks ARE cheap. Still more reliable than the 1911, but CHEAP. Trigger wise, if you are a 1911 shooter, then a Glock trigger will feel VERY strange, even to the point of "****ty". It has alot more "slack" before the break. Once you have a good feel for taking up the slack and sitting on the break for the shot, the "****ty" feel goes away.
Terror
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Originally posted by Terror
1911's are pretty good about allowing the grip high enough to manage recoil. It's the SIGs that just annoy me. If I had to choose a firearm other than a Glock, then it would be a 1911.
Compared to a 1911, Glocks ARE cheap. Still more reliable than the 1911, but CHEAP. Trigger wise, if you are a 1911 shooter, then a Glock trigger will feel VERY strange, even to the point of "****ty". It has alot more "slack" before the break. Once you have a good feel for taking up the slack and sitting on the break for the shot, the "****ty" feel goes away.
Terror
I learned to shoot on a custom 1911 with a 3 pound trigger, and with a .22 and .357.
The glock trigger felt like it was fighting me, just not right at all.
Now I think I heard somewere you dont have to let the trigger all the way back out to keep shooting on a glock is that the case? Is that what your talking about?
I don't think the Glocks are bad, to many people swear by them, but it just did not feel right.
I hold the sig high enough the slide can catch the web of my hand a bit and on ocasion makes me bleed. The hammer on my dads 1911 always makes be bleed lol.
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I owned a Glock 21(.45) and had no problems with it, put well over 10,000 rounds through it. Of corse I reload my own ammo. But over the years I've come to feel more comfortable carring a wheel gun over an auto. Wish I had the money to get a S&W .44 Titanium.
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Originally posted by Terror
Good to go! Sometime this winter should be good. From November 15 to January 15, my company freezes all changes to the computer environment, so it's a good time for me to take a few days off. If you have some time then, I say lets do it!
And according to packing.org (http://www.packing.org) Indiana honors my Missouri CCW. Just got to be real careful crossing Illinois. Keep the carry gun unloaded and locked up while in Illinois!
I also notice you are looking into getting some training... I've been taking training through this outfit: The Defensive Shooting Academy (http://www.fastshooting.com). A good group of guys...
Got a busy weekend coming up. IDPA on Saturday and GSSF on Sunday. Gonna be FUN!
Terror
For Three years I was M.C.O.L.E.S. Certified (formerly MLEOTC), I always have it unloaded and in the range bag when travelling.
Karaya
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Now I think I heard somewere you dont have to let the trigger all the way back out to keep shooting on a glock is that the case? Is that what your talking about?
It's not what I'm talking about, but it is true that you can reset a Glock trigger by just slightly releasing the trigger to the point where you feel it reset. Most instructors I have talked to don't recommend this though as it is easy when shooting quickly to not let the trigger out enough to reset and think you've had a malfunction. A full release and then a "slack-out" to the break is the best way to ensure the Glock will fire. I use this same technique all all my firearms, even the 1911's. The amount of "slack" is unique to each firearm and takes a mag or two to get the feel for.
Terror
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gto... not had much experiance with taurus but... why not just get a good L frame Smith if you like .357?
I know one of the front site instructors in Nv. good guy.. fun to shoot with and... he likes glocks and 1911's
Glocks... Where I work at least 5 police agencies use the range... I have seen and heard of some really catastophic glock failures. Jams are not all that uncommon in the .40 with hollowpoints.
Mav is right... it's what you like so long as it is reasonably accurate and trouble free in YOUR hands.... I never liked colt or sprigfield 1911's unless they were about wore out... My Kimber has about 6,000 rounds through it and is still tight as new (very tight indeed)
Glocks feel awful in my hands... just terrible and cheapo... I shoot for fun... glocks are not fun. I don't care if it is possible for me to shave a tenth of a second off my 5 guy double tap routine with one over my kimber... never gonna happen or matter in any case...
Every time I pick up one of my revolvers or the kimbers or even an HK or sig... It is a pleasant thing... the glock leaves me cold..
That is not to say that I would not feel well armed with a glock..I would and would be grateful to have it in a bad situation.
There is just a lot more to gun ownership and shooting than what the glock can give me.
All around.... the glock is my last choice or... very near the bottom... that does not mean that I think it is not accurate or dependable or well designed.... it is all those things yet.... manages to be less prefeable than some lesser guns at the same time.
but... that is just me. I am glad they make glocks.... if a million new shooters are new shooters because of glock then I would buy one just to support them.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
the best round for handguns is the 44 mag... it is the best balance of power and weight and recoil every made... It is not for everyone tho... It is easy to reload for and can be loaded for anythiog from plastic bullets using only primers for power to loads with well over a half a ton of energy and everything in between..
lazs
Primers only for power? What's the muzzle velocity for a load like that? What's it sound like?
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never a fan of glocks..i did not liek the balance and feel of glocks
I shto a TActical HK .45...wow that thing was sweet ...makes my ruger 9 mil feel liek crap
I have just got a Springfield 1911 match A-1...love it
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/842_1126303796_1911.jpg)
also having the wheel gun in .45 autot is sweet too
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/842_1126302179_45bb.jpg)
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it is for plastic or way bullets and the primer powers the "bullet" the plaxtic ones are reusable and can be loaded without tools other than something to poke the primer out of the plastic case... they are not loud and can be fired indoors... at close range they will wreck sheet rock tho.
lazs
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They actuall make a .22 caliber bullet that fires only by the force of the primer.
It's very quiet, even for a 22.
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I was thinking of picking up a .44 mag, to take with me when I go wheeling in remote places. Thinking ruger.
The .357 is a for work budy, he wants one so he can shoot .38 special as well.
Be his first hand gun and he wants it to be wife friendly.
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i'll take 38special or 357 anytime over 45acp,
seen 45acp ricochete off unbacked paper targets b4 25 degrees.
and too much compensation needed for bullet weight and lack of velocity.