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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Xargos on September 16, 2005, 03:15:48 AM
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I decided to go to an indoor range yesterday and practice my draw and marksmanship with my S&W model 60. Brought a couple of hundred rounds of reloads, blank paper and some tape. For the first half hour or so I practiced my draw from a belly band from under my shirt. I put two blank papers side by side and set them out to about 25 feet. I would draw, fire one round into each target then bring targets back in to patch wholes with the tape.
Enjoying the peace and quiet of being by myself for the first half hour, other then the range master checking on me once in a while, I desided to tuck in my shirt, put on my pancake holster and sportscoat. Three young punks came in with their pants hanging to their knees and a bag full of firearms while I'm practicing clearing my coat, drawing and shooting.
Between the three of them they took two lanes that where to the right of me and proceeded to pull many guns out of the bag. They put out two of the silhouette type targets, one on each lane. The guy closest to me grabs a Sig 9mm and shoots at one of the targets one handhanded then hands the Sig to the next guy when he finishes the clip. The next cat stands at a 90 degree angle towards the target and proceeds to shoot at that same target with one hand but this dude is holding the thing sideways and moving his body up and down. Now I'm thinking to myself "No wonder so many driveby shootings result in the wrong person getting hit". Then they proceed to play with the other firearms in the bag.
I'm in my lane doing my thing when a round hits me in the chest and drops to the floor. I bend down to pick it up but end up droping it when I realize it's still hot. I look over at the hoodlems, real pissed, and am thinking to myself "Should I go over there and show these clowns how to shoot", but I decide against it when I realize these jokers were dangerous enough as is. You should always shoot with both hands because many people shoot their own free hand in the heat of battle plus you should keep your body bladed so that you are a smaller target. So I step off the range for a min to tell the rangemaster about what happend.
I was feeling hot so I took off my coat and they started to realy look at me then, got tattoos up and down on both my arms. I pulled out my hot loads and started shooting at my targets that where set all the way out to 25 yards. I pulled the triger a few time and one of the guys asked me if I was shooting a 44 Mag, I told him no that it was ammo that I had made. One of them started to rag on me about the fact that I was using a wheel gun and that I only had six rounds. I informed him that if he was paying attention he would have noticed mine only had 5 rounds and that I did not need more then that.
I went back to doing my thing and about 5 min later the rangemaster came on and ran them off for not keeping the weapons pointed down range. The dummies didn't even wash their hands before they left.
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LOL :D
Why didnt you just put a few rounds smack in the middle of the forehead on their silouette target.
then you scream:
BOOM ! HEADSHOT!!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
LOL :D
Why didnt you just put a few rounds smack in the middle of the forehead on their silouette target.
then you scream:
BOOM ! HEADSHOT!!
I actually did that once on an outdoor range (well... not the screaming headshot! part) after two kids keep messing around missing a silhouette about 100 times and then doing something stupid that resulted in a Remington Rand 45 hitting the floor behind them. Some people are friggin stupid.
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How the hell did one of their rounds hit you in the chest?
And why the hell didnt you promptly shoot at 3 of them back?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
How the hell did one of their rounds hit you in the chest?
He meant spent casing I am sure, after all he wrote the AAR and all.
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Or the bullet bounced off something first.
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It was a bullet, it must have bounced many times before it hit me.
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OMG...an actual bullet?
I don't care how many times it bounced, I'd have packed up and left that instant!
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You sure you were at a range or in the alley behind Tirty Tird and a Tird? "-
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Actually I think it was at the corner of Stabme and Run.
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I went to the range wed and had just the oppossite experiance... I was shooting my M1 garand at 50 yards to sight it in with some new reloads and there was a WWII vet there with his grandson and we all met and had a good time .... the kid was clean cut and polite and I let him shoot the garand.... he loved it and was a good shot (gramps taught him well)
latter I was shooting some hot new loads at the 25 yard range from my DW 44 mag and he said he had never shot a 44 mag... these were hot loads full of WW 296 behind 250 grain slugs and were grouping about 2 inches at 25 yards... the DW has a 1 3/4 lb single action trigger pull... after some instruction I let him have at it...
smiles all around.... the day was sunny and pleasant and everyone was friendly and having a good time.
lazs
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I think with them playing around they must have shot the wall to the right then it bounced off the steel that holds the target, I did hear a bullet strike the steel.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I went to the range wed and had just the oppossite experiance... I was shooting my M1 garand at 50 yards to sight it in with some new reloads and there was a WWII vet there with his grandson and we all met and had a good time .... the kid was clean cut and polite and I let him shoot the garand.... he loved it and was a good shot (gramps taught him well)
latter I was shooting some hot new loads at the 25 yard range from my DW 44 mag and he said he had never shot a 44 mag... these were hot loads full of WW 296 behind 250 grain slugs and were grouping about 2 inches at 25 yards... the DW has a 1 3/4 lb single action trigger pull... after some instruction I let him have at it...
smiles all around.... the day was sunny and pleasant and everyone was friendly and having a good time.
lazs
Always puts a smile on my face when I see a kid and his granddad doing things such as this together.
Some of my most ingrained and fondest memories are from the time when me and Popaw would load em up and take off.
I learned a lot about gun safety and shooting in general. (He was probably the best all around shot I have witnessed to date)
I also learned a lot of other, very important things on these outings as well. Some, I`m sure have saved my hide many times. :)
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yep... losing our guns and losing our families is not good for America.
lazs
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My sons are 19 months old and 3 years old, and I look forward to taking them shooting. I've got a .22 bolt action rifle (Sears Roebuck) that I got from my dad, and he got it from his dad. Sadly, it has a blocked barrel, but here's hoping a gunsmith will be able to do some magic.
Barring that, I have my good ol' pre-ban Ruger 10-22 they can fire without getting knocked backwards. I'd rather they learn on the bolt-action so they're forced to spend a little more time between shots getting reset. Seems like 50 rounds through a bolt-action is better for developing skills than 50 rounds through a semi-auto, since you have to set up 50 times instead of twice when you run through your 25 round banana clip.
Of course, when they're older, they can fire the big guns. "Marcus, you'd better believe me when I tell you to put that Mossberg all the way against your shoulder, or else you're gonna....... well, I told ya, didn't I? Clear the gun, head over to mom. She brought the icepack just in case."
Still haven't bought my wife her pistol yet, we haven't been shooting in a few months. We're still zeroing in on the Beretta 9mm or the Walther P22, but we've gotta go test some more out.
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You're worried about recoil for the 19 year old? (A little ironic since I'm only 20).
I had a shotgun in my hands at 14.
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he's worried about the recoil for his 19 MONTH old kid....not years...
19 months should be able to handle the Ruger... :)
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He edited that...
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Those guys must have been watching too many movies. At least they did it on the range and not on some street or back yard where a ricocheting round might have done some harm.
I saw a guy hit on the chest by a spent round once. It was in the 'butts' on an army range where we were raising and lowering targets for the shooters. Probably it was a old round which was kicked back and spun toward us the way soil and stones often were. He screamed he'd been shot. He never lived it down later. We were always asking him to show us his bullet wound.
:lol
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
He edited that...
Nope. Check the timestamps and lack of Edit by Chairboy on blippety bloppity at bloop o'clock.
Silly laser, tricks are for kids.
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Originally posted by Xargos
I think with them playing around they must have shot the wall to the right then it bounced off the steel that holds the target, I did hear a bullet strike the steel.
About 14 or 15 years ago I was participating in an indoor plate match at our local pistol range. We had two firing points, seven yards from the plate table. As I was waiting on point 2, a shooter on point 1 runs the plates. He was shooting a .38 Super auto and his last round missed the plate, hit the steel table frame and came back, hitting me in abdomen just below the ribs.
The mangled jacket cut thru my shirt, tee shirt and left a sizable gash and a nasty bruise. Took seven stitches at the local emergency room to close it. Had to file an Accidental Shooting report (required by law) as the Hospital is required to notify the fuzz.
I'd been bruised and dinged by spent rounds and bullet fragments during bowling pin and plate matches before (usually around the shins and ankles), but that was the only time that I was actually injured. It was also the last time too. No more indoor plate matches for me. My wife would have become apoplectic....
My regards,
Widewing
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Sounds like a great excuse to apply some of those radar-stealth equations to the rear wall of the range. Oooh, or put a 'wall of ballistic gel' in back. That would look sweet, with all the bullets suspended in plain sight.
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CPXXX,
There's very few times when I was as freaked out as when we were pulling butts for a night shoot. The shooters had full mags of 5.56 tracers. You never realize how much those rounds bounce around untill you see them in tracer form.
Once on a KD course I had a guy next to me shooting left handed and in the prone I must have caught 2 or 3 rounds of brass that just magically fall underneith your flack vest or shirt colar.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
How the hell did one of their rounds hit you in the chest?
And why the hell didnt you promptly shoot at 3 of them back?
I've had a riccochet of a bullet fragment bounce back andhit me in the chest a few times. It is more common than you realize. Furthermore, I shoot the orange out of the silhouette. However, and entire bullet would be a rare one.
Karaya
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Gunslinger,
Never been on a night shoot with tracer but I must say all those obvious ricochets spinning away somewhere always worried me.
As for brass down your shirt collar, ditto. It was particularly bad with the Browning hi power. Everyone turned up their shirt collars or wore scarves but I always got burned. One guy took a hot case down his shirt collar and reacted by yelling and waving his cocked pistol all over the place. We all dived for cover.:eek:
It was even worse with the Carl Gustav M45 sub machine gun. You'd be showered with hot brass from the guy on your left.
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anytime you shoot at metal or rock there is a chance something will come back at you. Had it happen to me a few times.
Supposedly... you are not supposed to use metal targets that have dents in em as that causes more bounce back. I haven't been able to tell tho..
the worst one I had was when I shot a 44 mag round at a steel wheel... that round came back before the gun came back down out of recoil... some dummy shot off a lock once before I could stop him with his 44... you don't really shoot the lock to peieces... that don't work too well... you shoot the top of the lock and the energy and shock breaks the guts holding the thing closed.
lazs
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Another item to watch out for (especially on home made, out door ranges) are Rubber Tires!
My father in law has a little 2 shot daranger, the barrel isn't much longer than 2 inches. I asked him if he could hit anything with it, and he replied I should go find out for myself.
We put a 1 gallon milk jug on top of a board, which was on a stack of tires in the shooting pit. I first started at 20 foot, two rounds, no hits. Moved to 10ft, still couldn't hit it. Finally moved up to 5 foot, still missed the dang gallon jug, but succeded in shooting myself in the abdomen! The round was centered, but was low, and consequently hit the outside of one tire. The geometry was such it sent the round right back where it came from, just lower, hitting me in the abdomen just above the family jewls. :eek:
Fortunatly no harm done, but I refused to admit defeat. To avoid shooting myself again I side stepped sever feet, and tried again. YUP, same results, but this time I shot myself closer to my belly button!
Moral to the story is, if you hit a cylinder, and a line drawn from the barrel to the impact site lines up with the center of the cylinder, the round WILL return to whence it came, but at just a slightly different elevation!
As I walk out of the pit, my Father in law asks "So, Did you hit it?" I replied "NO, but I did shoot myself in the gut, not once, but twice!
OH, and the milk jug, it found the business end of a 30-06 from 100ft, with me laying in the prone position behind, yup you guessed it, a rubber tire! :)
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that's kinda weird... for a while, at my brothers place, we had some euclid tires (bout 5' high implement tires) as a backstop if we missed the little mound of dirt we were shooting at... the tires were so thick and tough that we found some handgun rounds laying in the bottom of em... they went through the first sidewall or tread but wouldn't make it out the other side.
lazs
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There's very few times when I was as freaked out as when we were pulling butts for a night shoot. The shooters had full mags of 5.56 tracers. You never realize how much those rounds bounce around untill you see them in tracer form.
I always though that was the tracer element getting knocked out on impact.
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
I always though that was the tracer element getting knocked out on impact.
Charon
I'm not an expert or anything but I wouldn't think it was the element. Either way it looks like something out of starwars and it changes how you think about things when you are pulling butts during the daytime.