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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SELECTOR on September 16, 2005, 04:42:16 PM
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like the look of the plane ,, but the cockpit dont look nice...
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Cockpit texture isn't done yet...lol
I think those kids in Grapevine started Happy Hour too early today.... :D
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It's a work in progress. I annotated the page to reflect that now.
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WOW xternals unbelievable
(btw) Man i want the AMMO COUNTERS exactly where they belong. TRM, ELV, AILERON, and RUDDER should be below the compass:furious
I was almost gonna say the cockpit looked like Fighter Ace 3:D
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I think it's a little "too" worn out. K4s WERE new and hadn't been serving for 5 years by the time they were produced, and that paint scheme is very late war, so it would be more recently applied (and less worn). Aside from that, airmess has done some 109s before and can make a pretty sweet looking skin.
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Agreed, the plane looks a bit worn out for plane just introduced in 1945. Do LW service people even clean their planes?:D
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UHHHHH oh no oh god no (anyone have an extra pair of under paints)
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Originally posted by 1K3
Agreed, the plane looks a bit worn out for plane just introduced in 1945. Do LW service people even clean their planes?:D
They actually took better care of their planes than some. I'd think this plane would be much crisper, so to speak.
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Hi
About the wethering of the K's. Even when the K's came out in 45, don't forget that at this time there wheren't any hangars left and the planes had to be hide in forests etc. and covered with whatever was in the forest.
The brutal Winter of 44/45 and the lack of qualitatively good paint, cause of constant bombing of chemical plants, gave them the rest.
I checked a few b/w images of the K's and belive me, they didn't look good at all.
I might be wrong, but on my opinion the weathering is apropriate to the conditions the germans had to keep them in service.
airmess
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Airmess, don't worry, we love the skin, we're just debating the finer details of it :P
All we can ask is that there be a reason for the way any particular skin is, and you've given your reason :)
:aok
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Hmmm ... you guys are maybe right. I try to clean it up quiet a little bit. Let's see what it gives.
airmess
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Bah! :)
One skinner to another, if your intention is to make a wethered skin because of the late war conditions, then you've suceeded. Every skin is a judgement call. Yours was based on something I hadn't thought about. We were thinking about something you hadn't thought about. There is no wrong answer. There are just skins :)
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None of you are worthy of flying this fine peace of art!!!
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Yeah, but is it gonna be perked? If the G-10 isn't, K-4 shouldn't be either?
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Ho hum......another 109.....(yawn)......
Where is the P-39 Aircobra?
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I looked in the news section on the Home page, but could not find the link to the pictures. Can anyone help me find the new 109K pictures?
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http://www.hitechcreations.com has them on the front page. :p
Panzzer,
The Bf109G-10 in AH is a Bf109K-4 with the 20mm cannon option. For it to be perked they'd have to raise the boost setting to 1.98ata, and even then I am not sure.
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Nice Picture of a 109 cockpit (http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/bf109cockpit/CockpitMap.html), click on the image to pull up more detail.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Panzzer,
The Bf109G-10 in AH is a Bf109K-4 with the 20mm cannon option. For it to be perked they'd have to raise the boost setting to 1.98ata, and even then I am not sure.
My point, exactly. Perhaps I should have stated more clearly that I meant the G-10 we have now and the K-4 we will get... But I doubt we'll see 1.98 ata or a perked 109. Was just curious what people thought of it. :)
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Another fine looking ride. Good work folks!
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Originally posted by TracerX
I looked in the news section on the Home page, but could not find the link to the pictures. Can anyone help me find the new 109K pictures?
I noticed its there when I used Mozilla Firefox but not there when I went to look at it through AOHELL
hehe Told yas Firefox was the better browser:)
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I believed that the Special "K" means New Japanaese Ki-xxx plane. :mad:
BTW new 109K's model/skin is very beautiful. GJ. :D
but I hope you make the Japanese planes next... :aok
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I think you guys did a great job on the model, just wish the ammo counters were up higher so you don't have to look down to see them in a fight.
The aircobra is on the 80 ENY waiting list along with the Brewster :D
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Nice job on the K skin Messy!
Would be nice (imho) to get a few more Japanese fighters such as the Ki100...radial engined Ki.....the "Tojo" and the "Jack".
We're a few short on Japanese fighters. Ki-46-II would be nice twin engined addition also.
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According to my book here, the g series 109's had a maximum HP of 1800hp with MW50 boost. The K series had 2000hp with MW50 boost. G series had top speeds of 428mph. The K series had top speed of 452mph. G series max climb rate was 4kft/min while the k series 4823ft/min climb rate. My point here is how is the G10 be the same as K4. BTW, the the specs on the K series I gave are the K4's. If anything the g14 maybe the closest match but certainly not the G10. The K4 also had a ceiling of 41000 feet while the best G series had 38000 feet ceiling.
Armament for the K4 was 2 MG151 above engine and 1 MK108 or 103. It also had options for 2 210mm rocket tubes under wings or various bomb loads.
With these specs on the K4, it just might have to be perked especially with the speed and climb rate it has. Its faster then a tempest and out climbs every plane in the game besides the jet and rocket plane.
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Dogg,
Your book over simplifies it.
There was a range of G-10 performance depending on the engine installed. Some had the same engine as the Bf109K-4 and so had very like performance.
Pyro took that and originally decided to do a Bf109G-10 so that the top end Bf109 would have the option for either a 20mm or 30mm nose gun, rather than just the 30mm option as on the K-4. So basically he did a flight model for a Bf109K-4, gave it the gun option for the 20mm nose gun and called it a top end G-10. It was to give the players more options basically.
If you test the Bf109G-10 in AH right now you will find that it tops out at 451mph at 22,000ft.
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So basically u saying he put a k4 engine in a g-10. The most HP out of the g's was 1800hp. K4's had 2000hp.
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Here is a good Site on 109's. According to this website, the K4 was based off the g10.
http://www.vectorsite.net/avbf109.html
Here is for all other planes
http://www.vectorsite.net/sitemap.html
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Stuff was a lot messier than that in Germany late in WWII. Bf109G-10s did not all use the same engine. Some used the same engine as the Bf109K-4 and performed very much like Bf109K-4s even though they were Bf109G-10s.
Keep in mind that all the Bf109K-4 was, was an attempt to standardize Bf109G production by consolidating all the improvements that were being produced in different Bf109Gs at different factories. It was creating a maintainance nightmare. It was not a major redesign of the Bf109, but rather a standardization of the late war Bf109 production.
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Hey Messy lookin good :)
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WTFG Messy :aok
Gonna enjoy flying it :D
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Hi ya Recoile :)
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I am wondering if the canopy bars have been thinned out.
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How are you m8!
Man, its been a long time. You back in Ah? :aok
Greetz,
Apar
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Originally posted by Karnak
Stuff was a lot messier than that in Germany late in WWII. Bf109G-10s did not all use the same engine. Some used the same engine as the Bf109K-4 and performed very much like Bf109K-4s even though they were Bf109G-10s.
Keep in mind that all the Bf109K-4 was, was an attempt to standardize Bf109G production by consolidating all the improvements that were being produced in different Bf109Gs at different factories. It was creating a maintainance nightmare. It was not a major redesign of the Bf109, but rather a standardization of the late war Bf109 production.
Karnak
You say that as if it is no big deal. I think incorporating all the improvements into one plane is a big improvement!!!!!!
Also I see no mention of the larger tail section (that will help with those verticle moves) The specs on the K are better in every book I have read and just because you want your P-51 to out turn and out climb every other plane LOL Just Kidding
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Originally posted by MwDogg
Armament for the K4 was 2 MG151 above engine and 1 MK108 or 103. It also had options for 2 210mm rocket tubes under wings or various bomb loads.
I think you mean 2x Mg131 and 1x Mk108.
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Armament for the K4 was 2 MG151 above engine and 1 MK108 or 103. It also had options for 2 210mm rocket tubes under wings or various bomb loads.
Actually, it's a pretty wide spread spec info deriving from the first generations of historians, which have been quoted again and again, but nowadays have been thoroughly proven to be false.
No Bf109 variant ever, mounted MG151 on the cowls.
Nor did they ever use a MK103.