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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Enduro on September 18, 2005, 02:28:11 AM
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Any other MS Flight Sim 2004 pilots here?
:)
Would love to see your airports & get local tips on the best approaches.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/77_1127028189_learjet_dirty.jpg)
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Yeah. I live In Los Alamitos, Close to the airport.... Army Airport! MWhehAHHAHHa Have fun.
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I find that the MS flight sims are boring.
Hard to find a dogfight.
I think it is because the maps are too large and the bases are too far apart.
;)
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lol. Well, yea...AH2 will always offer the best rush for those of us that NEED more than flying the straight line. :D
Still, leaving SNA Rwy 19R in a Baron and landing at Catalina Rwy 4 was fun for me considering I had no idea what it was like--until now. Woot! :)
Would still love to see some airports from the AH community.
:)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/77_1127069096_baron_catalinaisland.jpg)
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I always try to land 747's but I think I start my approach too late. Anyway, I usually fly the Centennial or Denver International down to Pueblo. I've tried a few cross country flights but i can't do them, even overtime. Need some engine failures and weather or something:aok
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I wish AH looked like that. lol
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I don't, hard enough keeping my FR up in there with weather on, I can't imagine GVing in those trees.
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Well, they should have it programed to look like that but also be able to turn that off for the low cost machine.
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Just for this thread I made a movie of an approach into my current home airport.
Since I require someone else to host it I must wait for them to get that done before I can share it but this is a screenshot from the "day" it was "filmed"
The airplane is Eaglesoft's Cessna Citation II:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/621_1127077456_boltoncloudy.jpg)
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The Movie (http://www.usmcsquad.com/downloads/films/citation_approach_and_landing_1mbps.wmv)
Dont know why the first 10 and last 15 seconds got chopped off...sorry I didn't pick it up sooner :(
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Very cool, Golfer. How'd you make a movie out of it?
I have to learn how to use all that l33t avionics stuff...I'm not getting nearly as much out of the sim as you are. wtg!
Which airport in Ohio?
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Movie is fixed! Sony Vegas and I had a dispute on who was right and I wound up having to bribe the program to have it render the whole thing :)
The airport is Bolton Field in Columbus, OH. KTZR the identifier and Rwy 4/22 with an ILS to 4 (no back course because that would send us right through Port Columbus' and OSU's approach paths)
I found that I like the Eaglesoft planes so much more. I don't know if its because I actually paid for them, but perhaps. I have the Citation II as well as the BeechJet 400A / Premier I combo. They really need a strong computer to run them and mine does a good job however not excellent.
Eaglesoft main page (http://www.eaglesoftdg.com) is here and you can see what they have to offer. I'm not selling anything they have just showing whats out there. They're really good flight models with good avionics models and that approach really didn't show the half of what the jet is capable of.
To make the movie I just ran Fraps (cheapo freebie version) while goofing off in flight sim and recorded a few movies here and there. I have a bigger movie being hosted as soon as the CD shows up in the mail to my buddy who hosts them so I'll post that when it's up. It only took a few minutes. I took off from Ohio State, snapped the screenshot below and dialed in some scuzzy weather. 1000 ft ceiling and 1-1/2 mile visibility I think. After I recorded the ILS segments I hopped into Sony Vegas and threw them together and spent maybe an hour from thought to finish.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/621_1127142384_golfershouse.jpg)
It's a snap :) I just wish I had a key to unlock saving things as a .mpg in vegas because the files as .wma are quite large.
Here's another shot of the cockpit. I wanted to see how far it would go and I flew from Hong Kong to Honolulu nonstop at FL430. The sun set behind me and rose ahead of me again. It took a long time even at 16x speed!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/621_1127142596_citationsunrise.jpg)
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Golfer that's a sweet cockpit display. Where can I find and download it?
DmdMax
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It's not free, but it's not expensive either.
Here's another link to Eaglesoft's (http://www.eaglesoftdg.com) website. They make a number of Bizjets including the Citation X, Citation II, CJ1 and some Beech/Hawker models.
The Citation II was around 20 bucks. If someone would light a fire under the U.S. Postal Service and get my CD to SC faster life would be good and I'd have the other movie I made hosted :)
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Originally posted by MwDogg
I wish AH looked like that. lol
I think those pics look like hell.
The terrain in AH is much more interesting.
with the exception of this one that golfer posted(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/621_1127077456_boltoncloudy.jpg)
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I agree ..horrible texture displays ,in AH u can atleast see the little tiny hangers.. you can hardly tell what your looking at besides the color diffrence in the terrian
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Hey golfer, take the circle where OSU is and paste this in it's place:
(http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~bump/images/longhorns/longhornlogo.jpg)
....just to make things more immersive :D
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ah-hem...you mean this one :D :p
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/621_1127162468_queersteer.jpg)
(Good Game)
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LOL!
Love a guy with a sense of humor.
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Glad you took it well :)
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Originally posted by Golfer
Glad you took it well :)
I've lived in and around Austin for 23+ years, they don't call it "the San Francisco" of Texas for nothing ya know.
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huge electrical storm coming through my area right now...gotta log off. gonna check out the vid again later this week.
where is the cockpit picture? i'm not seeing it right now.
thanks for sharing.
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the 4:11 p.m. GMT post right underneath the OSU Airport picture.
It's a big freakin picture :)
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Ah, thanks. :) The pic didn't load the first time I came back to the thread. Really nice cockpit ya got there.
ah, damn electrical storm is coming back. lol
see ya later.
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Originally posted by Golfer
I wanted to see how far it would go and I flew from Hong Kong to Honolulu nonstop at FL430. The sun set behind me and rose ahead of me again. It took a long time even at 16x speed!
Hmmm... You must have had 16x the normal fuel capacity, also unless you used 800 kt tailwinds.:D
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The sunrise picture above is me on that particular flight. I can't explain why (I have no data to compare to) but I landed with almost 2 hours of fuel in the tanks as well. Preeeetty sure it doesn't have that much range if it needs a fuel stop to make phoenix from new york :)
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Originally posted by Golfer
The sunrise picture above is me on that particular flight. I can't explain why (I have no data to compare to) but I landed with almost 2 hours of fuel in the tanks as well. Preeeetty sure it doesn't have that much range if it needs a fuel stop to make phoenix from new york :)
Yup,
For a little comparision data, I used to fly DC10s which cruise at Mach .84 (a lot faster than a Citation II). It took us about ten hours to fly nonstop from Honolulu to Manilla, PI and Hong Kong is at least two hours farther. Maybe the Sim doesn't calculate any fuel burn while in the 16x mode. :)
We prolly could have made Hong Kong to Honolulu in the winter in about 11.5 hours with an hour reserve carrying 37,690 gallons (245,000 lbs) of fuel.
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Originally posted by Enduro
Any other MS Flight Sim 2004 pilots here?
:)
Would love to see your airports & get local tips on the best approaches.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/77_1127028189_learjet_dirty.jpg)
I used to live on Baker St Costa Merasa about the way point out but left of JW Airport / Orange County Airport. That bronze is is too big.
Err is this shot is from the south
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Originally posted by DAVENRINO
Yup,
For a little comparision data, I used to fly DC10s which cruise at Mach .84 (a lot faster than a Citation II). It took us about ten hours to fly nonstop from Honolulu to Manilla, PI and Hong Kong is at least two hours farther. Maybe the Sim doesn't calculate any fuel burn while in the 16x mode. :)
We prolly could have made Hong Kong to Honolulu in the winter in about 11.5 hours with an hour reserve carrying 37,690 gallons (245,000 lbs) of fuel.
It was calculating it properly...I had some interesting fuel consumption though (it doesn't seem right)
I had rougly 2400lbs/side loaded for 4800lbs of FOB
400PPH on takeoff, accelerate to 250KIAS and climb 4000ft/min through 10. From there I switch to V/S as my primary means of airspeed control and 2500ft/min keeps me below redline. Maintain 95-96% N2 pulling back as I climb to maintain N2 and not exceed engine limitations. Through 15,000 Fuel Flow drops to around 200pph/side and gets all the way down to 100pph/side. (as you can see in the picture level FL430) Frankly...15 gallons an hour seems a little low but what do I know. I passed this on to my buddy who flew C-550's and 560's and now drives a Citation X and Lr-35 and I'm curious to see what he says. I might have to handicap my full fuel to correspond properly with time :)
Good thing I have no desire to fly airliners...keeping track of all that fuel would get confusing :p
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Short work on finding some real Citation II numbers...
Climb Schedule for C-550:
220 KIAS to 10,000 from there flying an AOA to your selected altitude
For the C-560 (Citation V or V Ultra) use 250KIAS to 10.
Fuel Burn:
1600lbs for the first hour
1400 Second
1200 Third
Once you were up at cruise altitude, a "going somewhere" cruise altitude rather than a short flight you could expect 12-1300lbs/hr total fuel burn.
I'll send a note to the Eaglesoft guys and find out whats going on :)
I guess my climbing at 250KIAS at 4000ft/min through 10,000 isn't true either. At 220 you'd be lucky to get 2000/min to 15,000 and then it dropped off.
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I have never flown a Citation II but I am sure they would fall into the Pacific before they got halfway to Hawaii from the west coast. You might make Manila from Hong Kong but prolly be a raft commander before you even got to Guam 8-9 hours short of Honolulu.
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Originally posted by LYNX
I used to live on Baker St Costa Merasa about the way point out but left of JW Airport / Orange County Airport. That bronze is is too big.
Err is this shot is from the south
Hi, Lynx. :)
Notice Catalina Island about 20 miles out to sea. That should give you a good perspective.
Didn't know you used to live so close by.
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Originally posted by DAVENRINO
I have never flown a Citation II but I am sure they would fall into the Pacific before they got halfway to Hawaii from the west coast. You might make Manila from Hong Kong but prolly be a raft commander before you even got to Guam 8-9 hours short of Honolulu.
Thats what I was getting at :)
By the rule of thumb calcs I have...
4800lbs total fuel
-1600 first hour
-1400 second
-1200 third and every hour after...
ruh ro...only 600 lbs left after all that leaving 30 minutes!
Looking at the info it looks like the mistake they made is this:
Since I'm burning in the sim 400PPH/Side if you multiply that by two that gives you 800PPH total. 800PPH just happens to be half of the total first hour burn, so it looks like they took the fuel consumption for one JT-15 engine and divided it by two, rather than multiplying it by two in their flight model. It's logical to look at the charts for a JT-15 and not multiply by two. This almost bit me on the ATP written when I had a homer simpson "Doh" moment when calculating fuel burn for a 727...I kinda sorta forgot the third engine :confused:
I was sure an email was in order but now at least I have a theory on what might have gone amiss. What a great place this is when it stimulates thought rather than hate