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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Lan784 on September 18, 2005, 08:06:45 PM
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Now i think the Ju-87 (AKA the Stuka) is being left out in AH2 alot. The only time i see a 87 flying is either when im flying it or when a crap load of GVs r attacking a base. Come on guys the 87 was the best dive bomber in BoB to about 1943 or maybe later, give it some respect. If you fly it once you will probably fly it again its not a bad plane at all the armor on it is pretty good the speed is lacking and so is the firepower (MGs), but it makes it up in its bomb load. The 1800kg bomb will take out any hanger if it hits within 20 feet, THATS impressive to me. Also it can out dive half the planes in AH and not compress. Now if a GV attack happened, lets say all panzers then the stuka can take out 5 of them without rearming also impressive and can turn better than a zero so that makes it a little harder for fighters to get a good shot.
Now for the 88s this bomber has an awesome bomb load 20kg bombs and 4 500kg bombs that can out a Fule refinery down to about 30% in one flight. Now i see these a little more than the 87s but still it seems like this bomber is not being respected as it should be. It played as good as a role as the 87 did and it did its job well the armor is also good, speed is fair however the firepower (MGs) is so lacking it shouldnt have em. Although it doesnt seem like a really good bomber but however it is and if you fly it you will think differently of it from that point on.
Now am i right or am i wrong???
Lan784- currently unable to play online due to internet problems.
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The 1800kg bomb will take out any hanger if it hits within 20 feet,
but to DO that, ya would have to fly the thing the requisite 25 miles to GET to said hangar...during which time the Stuka might be able to grab to ...5k?(sure to get away from the spits and LA7's, at its startling speed of..200 mph?)
Also it can out dive half the planes in AH and not compress
Heeh, thats because it never goes fast enough to compress, even in a dive:lol
Now for the 88s this bomber has an awesome bomb load 20kg bombs and 4 500kg bombs that can out a Fule refinery down to about 30% in one flight
Fuel refineries are rather pointless targets, killing hangars is often the most important thing (though certainly not point-producing)....and JU88 comes in like 5th place on that count, plus its utterly defenseless
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It's not utterly defenseless. It's a semi fast bomber. Plus it can easily dive bomb.
Right now, we are missing the Ju87g with the anti tank cannons. You only get 6 shots, but that's enough to take out 2-4 tanks.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Heeh, thats because it never goes fast enough to compress, even in a dive:lol
No in a dive the stuka will go to 350mph.
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i would like to see the antitank cannons but they inherently will be misused by base defenders ( i know i would lol) leading to massive whining :D
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Originally posted by Lan784
Lan784- currently unable to play online due to internet problems.
WOOOOOOT! no more planes flying pass you then 10 seconds later your wing pops off. This time plz get a cable connection :)
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Originally posted by Lan784
No in a dive the stuka will go to 350mph.
Correct me if I'm wrong... but can't most of the 43-45 fighters do that in level flight...
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Originally posted by Lan784
No in a dive the stuka will go to 350mph.
In a dive the P47 will go 600.
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jet ever consider its u???? AHHH u didnt
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And why take a a stuka when you can take a dive bombin lanc?
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I like your passion about the stuka....
But I have to tell you, when I see Ju87 in the icon of a red plane, I'm drawn to it like a magnet, cus its one big slow target with that huge bomb on the bottom, and it doesn't have the defense as some of the bigger bombers. But, fly what you love :aok
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Originally posted by Lan784
Now i think the Ju-87 (AKA the Stuka) is being left out in AH2 alot. The only time i see a 87 flying is either when im flying it or when a crap load of GVs r attacking a base. Come on guys the 87 was the best dive bomber in BoB to about 1943 or maybe later, give it some respect.
Now am i right or am i wrong???
Lan784- currently unable to play online due to internet problems.
Stuka got pulled off ops in the B of B because they were being massacred. They built their reputation against folks that couldn't fight back.
They were obsolete even before that. That Rudel and company had to fight in them as long as they did says something about some fairly poor planning ahead by their superiors.
If they had adequate fighter protection they could do there job, but there are way too many instances where they didn't have it and got slaughtered.
All that being said, you can have some fun in them in AH, but then again no one's really dying so why not? :)
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Originally posted by bj229r
and JU88 comes in like 5th place on that count, plus its utterly defenseless
you have never come up against NIN or myself obviously
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Little know fact, but Stuka's are very useful - almost ideal - in killing Vbases.
* Vbases rarely have fighter cover in the first strike.
* The 1800kg bomb can take out two of the hangars with one drop.
So a two-man flight of two Stukas can take down the Vbase without having to setup a bombrun unlike the buff fomation has to - provided, at least one of the two Stukas is piloted by a guy who can drop the 1800kg to knock two hangars that are side-by-side.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
And why take a a stuka when you can take a dive bombin lanc?
SADLY to say, more true that the reality of the words typed. in the main arena, you can dive bomb 4 or 5 targets with 3 TIMES the bomb payload AND faster than the stuka, then die while doing it, re-up in a nano-second, and repeat.
Originally posted by Howitzer
I like your passion about the stuka....
But I have to tell you, when I see Ju87 in the icon of a red plane, I'm drawn to it like a magnet, cus its one big slow target with that huge bomb on the bottom, and it doesn't have the defense as some of the bigger bombers. But, fly what you love :aok
this is also true. i see a "stuka" i see a free kill, kind of like a c47. there is almost ZERO chance of them getting me, no matter what plane i am in. hell a spit 1 (the "early war" one) will chase it down, out turn it, kill it, and walk away licking it's chops.
it is amazing the JU-87 even flew. if the Ma is even 1/4 reality, there is not a single stuka that survived a sortie. there is not a single plane in the MA planeset that can NOT shoot it down with the ease of someone flying with a mouse.
it is a shame, but it is reality, sadly. the JU-87 was a worthless plane, without a chance of even reaching it's target. the stuka is less effective than bi-planes in the MA
to be honest is there ANY slower plane (exception C47 which has no guns) than the JU-87? IF a c-47 had guns even IT would kill a JU-87 EASY.
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Dan is right about the Ju87. It's a plane that was designed to fly in areas where air superiority was already achieved. That is why they did so well in Poland and later in the Low Countries. When the Ju87 fought in areas where the the LW didn't have air superiority the Stuka got slaughtered as was the case in the BoB.
Having said that, I've always enjoyed flying the Ju87 and quite frequently fly it to stall fight in. It makes a great little stall fighter, albeit with rather weak guns. Might as well be shooting spit wads at the bandit, probably do more damage than the wing mounted 7.95mm machine guns. Wish we had the D-5 model that had the 7.95mm wing mounted machine guns replaced with 20mm cannons instead of the D-3 model, which was by far the crappiest of all the Ju87 models.
ack-ack
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I dont get so many kills in an 87 cause of the weak guns, asnd my target runs
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I dont get so many kills in an 87 cause of the weak guns, and my target runs
it doesn't run, it flies on ;)
but it makes it up in its bomb load. The 1800kg bomb will take out any hanger if it hits within 20 feet, THATS impressive to me.
So you're basically saying the Stuka itselfs sucks, but the bombs do the trick :aok
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Im in the mood for BoB now.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Little know fact, but Stuka's are very useful - almost ideal - in killing Vbases.
* Vbases rarely have fighter cover in the first strike.
* The 1800kg bomb can take out two of the hangars with one drop.
So a two-man flight of two Stukas can take down the Vbase without having to setup a bombrun unlike the buff fomation has to -
Yah, but a 10k B24 formation loaded with 2k eggs can take out all 3 V-hangars in ONE pass from ANY direction, with a single egg drop from each plane...and still have 3 eggs left over in each plane:aok
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i figured it out why im going for these planes....its BECAUSE ITS A CHALLENGE!!! come on with 24 sure one pass woopie doo for that but its too easy. if this game were more easy than it is then i would quit. easy games aren't fun they get boring really really fast. Now flying these under class planes gives you a challenge to do somthing very short from boring and it is realy quite fun, when you come in 88s and bomb there whole factory in 2 passes and you make it out alive. that is fun.
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Shills had ju87 the last 2 tod's. Last friday our mission was 2 take out cv and had a blast. A form of 12 ju87's and was praying, I hope no one finds us lol. It's useful in tod but not in the ma. If clouds had the ability 2 actually provide cover more would fly it.
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87s needed fighter protection 1940
in the late -44 battles found in Main it nothing less of suicide flying them.
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Only takes 2 1800kg (that's 3,600lbs!) eggs to sink a CV, and you can get to the CV from a dive from 10K and egress alive, but the problem is climbing to 10k and surviving defensive fighters.
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did he say you can kill 5 panzers in 1 sortie in a stuka?...
lolo..please tell me how this is down..
BTW..BRING THE PANZER CRAKERS to the stuka./...
THAt would increase the use tremendously
poor ol Hurri D for doom may get lonley
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I think he's talking about 4x 50kg(?) outer wing bombs and a centerline bomb (for 5 bombs total). But in AH it sometimes takes more than a small bomb to kill a panzr
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one of the fun moments in stukas went something like this . . . med field i think, we took off, 5 of us, creeped to 12 or 13k and creeped to base and fortunately avoided interceptions. forgot who correctly pointed out a stuka caught out in the open is dead. they're correct.
but . . . was not the case . . . base had quite a bit of action below 5k though no one flying to the base from another one close by to pick off vulchers, attackers etc and no gv presence yet either . . .
so . . . we 5 or so went nose down and took out the fighter hangars and vh . . . BOOM.
was great fun and then had the treat of peppering away at the defenders with the pea-shooters the junkers carry. was great, great, fun.
Hap
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
did he say you can kill 5 panzers in 1 sortie in a stuka?...
lolo..please tell me how this is down..
That was in reference to the Ju87G-1 which had 37mm Flak18 cannons pods with 6 rounds each mounted under the wings. One hit from these guns was usually enough to kill a tank. You really do need to work on that reading comprehension.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Lan784
If you fly it once you will probably fly it again its not a bad plane at all
Lan784- currently unable to play online due to internet problems.
Dood you're gettin WAY off the path of least resistance!! :)
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Originally posted by Lan784
i figured it out why im going for these planes....its BECAUSE ITS A CHALLENGE!!! come on with 24 sure one pass woopie doo for that but its too easy. if this game were more easy than it is then i would quit. easy games aren't fun they get boring really really fast. Now flying these under class planes gives you a challenge to do somthing very short from boring and it is realy quite fun, when you come in 88s and bomb there whole factory in 2 passes and you make it out alive. that is fun.
Thats a DANGED admirable mindset Lan784, more guys need to think that way--there would then be less La7's and spit's in the skies:aok
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Out of 12 only 4 or 5 walk away not damaged from cv ack. U have 2 show me how 2 dive from only 10k and egress alive, especially from manned ack. And only 1 made it home from the seafires defending cv.
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Well gents long time no see,
but for all you that know me the stukas and junkers were my main planes and if you fly them enough you can get to be pretty deadly with them.
now for the 87s if you plan your dive right and the drop you can take out all three hangers on the v bases unless they have moved them since the last time i played.
May the 87s and 88s live forever