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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Lan784 on September 18, 2005, 08:51:30 PM
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PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How many ways to say NO.
Nyet
No
Nein
No
Nadda
Ninguna
Nope
Sorry
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and a 'nee' from Holland
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i dont understand why anyone wouldnt want the HE111.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
i dont understand why anyone wouldnt want the HE111.
We have the JU-88 - which is as close to defenseless as you can make a bomber. Only faster then the HE-111.
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Actually wolf, the Ju88 can take lots of punishment, is VERY fast, holds a LOT of bombs (2000lbs under wings and 2000+ internal).
A He111 would be best for fans of the Heinkel, but would be slower and have less defensive guns (1 dorsal, 1 ventral, instead of 2ea. on the Ju88), and, I think, carry less bombs.
But it is an "eventual must" for scenarios.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Actually wolf, the Ju88 can take lots of punishment, is VERY fast, holds a LOT of bombs (2000lbs under wings and 2000+ internal).
A He111 would be best for fans of the Heinkel, but would be slower and have less defensive guns (1 dorsal, 1 ventral, instead of 2ea. on the Ju88), and, I think, carry less bombs.
But it is an "eventual must" for scenarios.
Its durability isn't in question - fact I made no mention of that. But that doesn't dismiss the fact it is a clay pidgeon b/c of the limited hemisphere's the guns can fire.
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i want one so i can HO it.
8 x .303 shooting into that glass nose would seriously ruin a Heinkel crew's day.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Its durability isn't in question - fact I made no mention of that. But that doesn't dismiss the fact it is a clay pidgeon b/c of the limited hemisphere's the guns can fire.
I brought up durability as one of its useful traits :)
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NO we need the B29 first
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TK, you avacado, B29 would serve NO purpose in the MA. Only the B36 would have a place in the MA.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Krusty
TK, you avacado, B29 would serve NO purpose in the MA. Only the B36 would have a place in the MA.
:rolleyes:
B fivty too!!! derrrr megea n00kage wooowooooo quah1!!1010101010101
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Originally posted by Larry
quah1!!1010101010101
I'm sorry son, there's too much binary in your attempt to show enthusiasm, and not enough exclaimation points. I'm going to have to fine you for this...
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Personally I'd like to see the following bombers:
B-25C
G4M2 "Betty"
Ju188A-2
Pe-2FT
Wellington B.Mk III
Gives early war, catchable bombers to the British, Japanese and Americans that are still usuablem, gives a potent mid/late war bomber to the Germans and gives a representative bomber to the Russians.
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It's coming. Pyro said it was anyways last year. We need another bomber from the Luftwaffe, Do-17 or the He-111.
However, if they were to say 'update the existing planeset' or add a He-111, I'd say update the planeset.
Give it some time. They're working on TOD at the moment and I'm sure once that's up and running, more time can be spent on adding stuff. ;)
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He 111 was a good and versatile bomber.
Slower than the Ju and a less performer, yes.
But for 1939 it was great. 4000 lbs and faster than it's enemies at the time. It is a must for scenarios, and eventually ToD.
Later on you had 111 seaplanes, tugplanes (?) and they were lobbing V-1's over the North sea in 1940 as well.
And they are a beauty as well ;)
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he 111 would be a hanger queen.. nice plane but a hanger queen
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if we need a jerry plane then why not the he177 /fw200
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Would be a hangar queen for the MA folks.
So please add it. ;)
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SELECTOR,
Are you aware that the Fw200 is worse than the He111 in all ways other than fuel endurance?
I keep seeing people suggest the Fw200 as though it would be a viable bomber in AH. The pressence of four engines on an aircraft does not automatically mean it is a formitable heavy bomber. The He111 would be tougher, faster and carry a heavier warload while being defended by as many guns of the same calibre.
The only German bombers that would be competitive in the MA are the Do217, He177 and Ju188. Of those I think the Ju188 would be the most competitive. It is faster that the others, reasonably well defended and based on the incredibly durable (as modeled in AH) Ju88. It also carries a useful warload.
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And it looks freaking COOL!
I've got the 72nd Italeri kit on my wish list. No moola yet, though.
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
he 111 would be a hanger queen.. nice plane but a hanger queen
Superdud is a hangar queen, and i don't think he would like the competition.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
We have the Ju-88 - which is as close to defenseless as you can make a bomber.
The Ju-88 might have few mg's, but their placement is excellent;
2 on top with a free firing-range and 2 on the belly which are both 2 excellent positions for a fast bomber
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i mention the fw 200 only because ive never seen it in any game...
but i go along with the fact it was crap
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In it's own way, it was rather good actually, it could fly the farthest of it's time
besides that it sucks :D
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hmmm, I didn't know planes were added based on their popularity.
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...saying we don't need a He cuz we already have a Ju is like saying we don't need a Spit Ia cuz we already have a Spit XIV.
:huh
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Quote from Karnak
Personally I'd like to see the following bombers:
B-25C
G4M2 "Betty"
Ju188A-2
Pe-2FT
Wellington B.Mk III
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Yep, good choices
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Originally posted by Karnak
SELECTOR,
Are you aware that the Fw200 is worse than the He111 in all ways other than fuel endurance?
I keep seeing people suggest the Fw200 as though it would be a viable bomber in AH. The pressence of four engines on an aircraft does not automatically mean it is a formitable heavy bomber. The He111 would be tougher, faster and carry a heavier warload while being defended by as many guns of the same calibre.
You're wrong on all counts. Carrying a war load the Fw200 is faster than the He111 and carries a bigger load of 4626 lbs. The defensive armament of the Fw200 is much better than that of the He111 with some versions having multiple MG131 mg's and MG151/20 cannons.
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The top speed of the Fw200 was 224mph. The bombload is the same, I'll grant that it isn't worse than the He111, it just isn't better either. The defensive armament varries depending on the version added, but that is true of the He111 as well.
So, the best you can hope for is an aircraft that is 40mph slower, much more fragile, carries the same warload, has slightly better defensive guns and can fly twice as far.
Or you can ask for something like a Do217, He177 or Ju188 that are actually bombers, not mediocre passenger aircraft pressed into service as bombers.
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No version of the He111 could manage more than 205 mph with a bombload. The maximum bombload was 4410 lbs, and apart from a few versions having a fixed MG FF no He111 carried cannons. Nor did any He111 carry MG131's. Only MG15's and 17's. As for durability I highly doubt the He111 could take more damage than the Fw200. So again you're wrong on all counts.
I do however agree that the Fw200 would see little use in the MA, and it would be useless for scenarios.
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The He111 did not have a habit of breaking in half during normal landings. It was much, much tougher. The Fw200 had no business being employed as a warplane. The He111 was designed as a bomber (under the camoflage of being a passenger aircraft) and damage was something it was intended to take to some degree. Your pat little guesses to the contrary, there is no evidence that the Fw200, with a reputation for being fragile, was more durable than the He111 which lacks such a reputation.
Maximum Speeds:
He111H-3: 258mph
He111H-16: 270mph
Fw200C-3: 224mph
Fw200C-8: 205mph
So you think that putting a max load on the He111 will slow it down to 205mph whereas putting a maximum load on the Fw200 will not slow it down at all? That is silly. They'll both be slower when loaded and the He111 will still be faster.
From my point of view those payloads are so close as to be functionally the same and both are significantly lower than the Ju88A-4's payload.
The fact is that if a German bomber needs to be added to fill a gap neither the He111 or Fw200 will do that. For gap filling you need to look at the Do217, Ju188 or He177. For scenario purposes the He111 is far more useful than is the Fw200.
I will readilly admit that the thought of hunting Fw200s in a Mosquito fills me with warm, fuzzy thoughts, but that is hardly a fair contest, just as imbalanced as it was in reality.
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How many ways to say NO.
Nyet
No
Nein
No
Nadda
Ninguna
Nope
Sorry
LOLOL, Wolf, to add to your list, "Iie" from the Japanese Language
He-111 would be neat BUT the 88s do a better job all round.
:aok
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Originally posted by Karnak
The He111 did not have a habit of breaking in half during normal landings. It was much, much tougher. The Fw200 had no business being employed as a warplane. The He111 was designed as a bomber (under the camoflage of being a passenger aircraft) and damage was something it was intended to take to some degree. Your pat little guesses to the contrary, there is no evidence that the Fw200, with a reputation for being fragile, was more durable than the He111 which lacks such a reputation.
LOL temper, temper Karnak. You're mistaking metal fatigue from being repeatedly overloaded with bombs with actual structural weakness. The USAAF lost many bombers under similar circumstances, but I don't think the B17's or B29's were "weak" because of it. Hitler himself had a Fw200 as his personal aircraft, I doubt very much he would have if the plane wasn't structurally sound. The He111 got a reputation for being tough during the Battle of Britain. In reality however it only showed the inadequacies of RAF armaments at the time. Once the Spits were toting cannons the He111's were easy targets.
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Certainly the Fw200 would be a very odd choice over a He-111 or a Dornier 17 in AH.
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I don't really care what bomber we get since I don't fly bombers, but a Ju188 or a He177 would be nice.
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The FW 200 was a pain for the british in its antiship role
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This is one hell of a long 'I-want-a-Heinkel-111' thread!
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lol yes, since the game is unplayable due to extreme lag and packet loss, everyone is on the forum :)
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If He-111 is added, would it be too much to request with an Iraqi paintjob?
I meant He-111, not He-11.
I dont even know what an He-11 is let alone if any ever got to Iraq