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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Guppy35 on September 19, 2005, 12:23:19 AM
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He's jumped in to help the skinners cause and is a cyber 51 jockey from way back.
And it amazes me we have no 4th FG marked P51Ds. 4th and 51s go hand in hand. Gotta have one.
Kinda like this one too :)
I can provide B&W photos of the real bird if folks need it. I kinda figure with the nose art and the profile it should be a breeze and a nice red nosed 51D would look good in the virtual skies
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1127107183_ironazz.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1127107204_ironazz2.jpg)
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Thanks Guppy, I sure appreciate this.
Thats a nice P-51D. There are numerous ones out there obviously. Another great one that would be easy (well for others) to do is "Red Dog XII". This is one sweet looking plane.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/bassetleader/qp-o3.jpg)
In color from Mustangsmustangs.com
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/bassetleader/44-72907_67_cf1.jpg)
Another good one is James Goodson's 413303 VF-B
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/bassetleader/urg0537.jpg)
And in color profile,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/bassetleader/goodsonpclr.jpg)
Another good one is,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/bassetleader/sizzlin.jpg)
I have good pictures of the current Mustang painted in Liz's colors.
Of course there is always Pierce McKinnon's WD-A RidgeRunner III. Everyone has seen that plane somewhere!
BTW Guppy, a friend of mine's Dad was in the 475th FG. He was ground crew and was in the same squadron as "Putt Putt Maru".
Cheers
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(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/VF-H1.jpg)
I had done "Jersey Bounce III" but it never made it into the game. If you two are willing to do the hard part – the research and deciding which scheme to do – I can put it together for you.
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Originally posted by Fencer51
Thanks Guppy, I sure appreciate this.
BTW Guppy, a friend of mine's Dad was in the 475th FG. He was ground crew and was in the same squadron as "Putt Putt Maru".
Cheers
Umm...er.... does Dad have any photos of any of the 475th birds lying around? :)
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Originally posted by MachNix
I had done "Jersey Bounce III" but it never made it into the game. If you two are willing to do the hard part – the research and deciding which scheme to do – I can put it together for you.
The profile of James Goodson's VF-B is wrong in that it has the Blue rudder. Goodson went down in VF-B to become a POW long before the 4th had rudder colors.
To be honest, I kinda like Iron Ass. Kinda fits for most of us in AH since we're always getting shot in the backside :)
The red outlined letters on the QP kites looks good too, so my second choice would be Red Dog
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Umm...er.... does Dad have any photos of any of the 475th birds lying around? :)
Dunno.:D
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Originally posted by Guppy35
The profile of James Goodson's VF-B is wrong in that it has the Blue rudder. Goodson went down in VF-B to become a POW long before the 4th had rudder colors.
To be honest, I kinda like Iron Ass. Kinda fits for most of us in AH since we're always getting shot in the backside :)
The red outlined letters on the QP kites looks good too, so my second choice would be Red Dog
I have a Harley Copic print in my office at work of Goodson's 51D. It does not have the blue rudder. However, how do you explain the different shade of grey in the b+w photo?
My vote would be for Red Dog XII.
I have asked my friend to see if his father has any photos. I should know more next week. I can probabally swing getting the photos and making copies of any that he has, the fact that my wife is a curator and I am a history nut, my friend knows that they would be treated very carefully.
Cheers
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Originally posted by MachNix
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/VF-H1.jpg)
I had done "Jersey Bounce III" but it never made it into the game. If you two are willing to do the hard part – the research and deciding which scheme to do – I can put it together for you.
Thanks MachNix. I sure appreciate it. I would ask that you do Red Dog XII. That's my favorite of the ones above.
Never heard of Jersey Bounce III. Who flew that?
I have looked into playing around with skinning, but the process is alluding me. I found some nice templates in PSD but I am not sure that they are current for the new 3d models, if I understand everything correctly. How do I tell if a plane has been remade and is current and not set to undergo changes?
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Originally posted by Fencer51
I have a Harley Copic print in my office at work of Goodson's 51D. It does not have the blue rudder. However, how do you explain the different shade of grey in the b+w photo?
My vote would be for Red Dog XII.
I have asked my friend to see if his father has any photos. I should know more next week. I can probabally swing getting the photos and making copies of any that he has, the fact that my wife is a curator and I am a history nut, my friend knows that they would be treated very carefully.
Cheers
The 4th FG 51 Jockey wants Red Dog XII, then Red Dog XII it should be :)
As for Goodson's rudder. The rudder on natural metal 51s was painted while the fuselage was not so it looks different. Throw in just a little angle on it and the sun reflection made the difference show even more I'd guess.
And many thanks for checking on those photos. Gold I tell ya, gold! :)
Harold Fredericks was the pilot of Jersey Bounce. Crew Chief was Frank Mason
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Salute Gents,
Heya MachNix. If you will do Red Dog XII, I will jump on Iron bellybutton (lol). I love the scheme and it meets the red criteria I was wanting to do (someone private messaged me to ask to do the 51B racer guppy set me up with, so my schedule is pretty much clear.) I can start on her this week.
Guppy, I will take any photos or art you have of it sir. You can link me, pm me, e-mail me, telegraph me, or just throw rocks ;)
satyr@"NOSPAM"bbde.net
ReDhAwK
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ReDhAwK,
I have started "Red Dog XII" so feel free to do "Iron Ass."
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Side Note: I had "Jersey Bounce III" flown by Lt. Donald J. Pierini. The aircraft was later taken over by Lt. Benjamin L. Griffin and the name changed to "Marion." The aircraft was then lost April 16, 1945.
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Redhawk,
You can go here:
http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/pages/44-74494.shtml
It's a restored 51 in the Iron bellybutton markings.
The close up I posted of the nose art should help along with the profile.
I'll dig out what B&W photos I can find and post em too.
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Rgr gents. I have started vectoring the nose art. Should be done with that by tonight or Wed night. I'll take any and all pics Lord Guppy. I appreciate your time sir.
ReDhAwK
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Originally posted by Lord ReDhAwK
Rgr gents. I have started vectoring the nose art. Should be done with that by tonight or Wed night. I'll take any and all pics Lord Guppy. I appreciate your time sir.
ReDhAwK
Thought I had more then just this one image of Iron Ass.
Important to note from the photo compared to the restored 51. The real deal had black ID bands on the wings and horizontal tail.
Also note the image was taken before nose art artist Don Allen had finished the artwork. The close up I posted of the nose art was done by Allen in 1995 when he replicated some of the best he 'd done while with the 4th FG
Note on the scan that Allen has signed it and noted 45 and 95
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1127262894_ironazz4.jpg)
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Rgr Dan. Great pic to work from.
Question for those looking at this...The original black and white doesnt have the pic of the bellybutton with the bullets bouncing off, only the wording. Should I just use the wording or do the completed noseart?
Guppy, anything showing the completed noseart as historic? I would hate for them to not accept it for the game because I had made an assumption it was completed, when in actuality it came much later after the war :confused:
Then again, maybe I misread your writing as to when the donkey was added.
Regards
ReDhAwK
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Don Allen did some of the best nose art of the war for the 4th FG. He was an Assistant Crew Cheif with the 4th. He did the nose art I posted, on Iron bellybutton at the time. He replicated the art again in 1994 along with many of his most well known 4th FG nose art works.
They appear in the book "Debden Warbirds" by former 4th FG pilot Frank Speer.
That is where I got the scan from of the nose art.
There is no doubt in my mind, based on Don Allen doing it, that the nose art was there on Iron Ass. I think the image just was taken prior to it going on.
I'd use it :)
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Yessir! :aok
I will have the vector art finalized tonight. I will be out of town this weekend fly-fishing down in TN but will have it done prior to next weekend (fingers crossed). At least ready for review for you guys before submitting. Out of town Friday through Sunday chasing the elusive 16" Brook Trout :D
ReDhAwK
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From the photo of "Red Dog XII", the aircraft looks clean and fresh. Should I leave the skin "fresh" or put some "time" on it by adding dirt and paint chipping?
Also from the photo, I can't tell if the nose vent panel has holes or not. Anyone have an opinion?
I left two kill marking off due to the amount of skin stretching around the back of the canopy frame. I'm assuming the kill markings did not continue around the backside of the frame. 16 kill markings are showing in the photo.
Anyone know who the crew chief and weapons guy were for this aircraft? You probably will never be able to see or read it in the game but this information along with the pilot's name (Maj. Louis H. "Red Dog" Norley Jr.) was placed near the windshield.
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/v204/qp-o1.jpg)
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OH MY GAWD. SWEET!!!!!!! :aok
I WANTS IT MY PRECIOUS.
Ahem, that is a nice looking skin there Sir. I will get back to you on the information requested. I need my sources.
Cheers,
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Well a quick search online found this photo of Norley next to his bird. I also found a reference to V. Andra being the crew chief. I will keep digging.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/bassetleader/closeup.jpg)
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Updated the image above. Unless anyone has some major changes, this will be the final version.
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Crew Chief was Vincent Andra. Other than that I got nothing on the crew.
It looks great. The only two things I have a question about is..
1) Is the red nose as dark as it should be? The color photos from that era show a darker red. The tail looks darker.
2) The anti glare in front of the cockpit, should it be a darker green?
Thanks again for a great looking Mustang!
Cheers
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Umm...er.... does Dad have any photos of any of the 475th birds lying around? :)
He does. At least he thinks he does. It will take some time but the gentleman is going to look for them.
Cheers!
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Originally posted by Fencer51
He does. At least he thinks he does. It will take some time but the gentleman is going to look for them.
Cheers!
Thanks for checking in on that. Who knows what might show up in terms of pilots and aircraft. Could be a gold mine :)
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Fencer51,
Okay, darkened the red and anti-glair panel. Updated the image above. Made a minor attempt to match the red on a VF bird Guppy35 posted in another thread. I think it looks better. Since this is sort of your project, if you give the "OK," I'll package it up and submit it.
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Sorta my project, lol. I can't draw to save my life (outside of Autocadd).
Looks great MachNix. Thanks for your time and effort.
Send it in and lets hope they like it too.
Cheers!
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I just want to let MachNix know I been putting his P-51D to good use.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/bassetleader/262_Hits.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/bassetleader/262_Hits2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/bassetleader/262_Closein.jpg)
Cheers,
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Thanks Fencer51. Looks like you are able to run screen and texture sizes to make full use of the skin. Maybe in the near future will have your VF-B skin to put to good use.
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Eh we will see about VF-B.
Guppy/Dan wanted an early Mustang D model to fly with B models, and that plane is one of my favorite Mustangs so it seemed the one to do because it would keep me interested while learning to skin so it seemed the one to do.
I have another skin that is about finished but I doubt it will be allowed.
You should also know that the entire 4th FG loves your skin it is what we fly the majority of the time. Of course one or two of us like the B model that Deacon did too, but most like the 6 50s this one gives.
In fact in the engagement pictured above, the poor 262 had 3 red nosed Mustangs on him.
Cheers,
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Life imitating art...er...ah...or something like that :)
The screenshot of the 51 shooting the 262 reminded me of this image from an old American Heritage Junior Library, book I read as a kid and have on the shelf. "Air War Against Hitler's Germany"
Wartime painting of two 4th FG 51s chasing a smoking 262 through a 24 formation. They shot it down
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/JetChasing.jpg)
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MachNix,
How bout this one from the same time frame as Red Dog, to go with it? :)
Swept back red nose 4th FG bird on a B model with the Malcom to go with the D. Gotta admit they'd look good together :)
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/VFSslash2.jpg)
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Guppy35,
Post an actual picture if you have one. It will help me with the details and speed up the submission/approval process. Have any info on pilot and the bird's history?
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/v204/vf_s1.jpg)
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[Standing Ovation] :O :aok
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This was the photo I based the profile on. It's dated as taken December 25, 1944 in the 336th revetments area at Debden.
336th FS, 4th FG. Doubtful at that point it had an assigned pilot. Probably flow by a new guy, winging one of the vets in the more usual D models.
Fencer, if this bird gets in the game, I'm gonna come looking for ya to wing up. I'll take the B and pretend I'm Pappy Grove :)
You can be Red Dog Norley :)
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/VFSlash.jpg)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
This was the photo I based the profile on. It's dated as taken December 25, 1944 in the 336th revetments area at Debden.
336th FS, 4th FG. Doubtful at that point it had an assigned pilot. Probably flow by a new guy, winging one of the vets in the more usual D models.
Fencer, if this bird gets in the game, I'm gonna come looking for ya to wing up. I'll take the B and pretend I'm Pappy Grove :)
You can be Red Dog Norley :)
Works for me Guppy!
Man wish you were with us last night, we did another buff escort and this one made the last one look like a cakewalk. All 4th FG rednoses (and 2 Ghosts) escorting B-17s from the Ghosts.
I can still hear all the radials rumbling as the Ghosts took off. Wait, that might be the bombs what blew the heck out of 4 factory sites.
Cheers.
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Nuts. The photo shows me the correct tail number and placement but there is no red swoop on the nose. HT will not accept fictitious paint schemes even if they look good. Unless we can prove that the red swoop was added to the B models by a certain date, I'm afraid there isn't much hope for this skin. The same goes for the ID bands on the wings. If there were wing ID bands, would the horizontals also have the bands? Would they be removed when the red swoop was added?
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Check the photo again. There is clearly a "swoop" on the nose. The anti-glare is interrupted and the color of the bare metal/silver is interrupted in the "swoop" pattern.
Usually red shows up as darker pigment, not lighter. It almost seems like a yellow or some other lighter shade.
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Originally posted by MachNix
Nuts. The photo shows me the correct tail number and placement but there is no red swoop on the nose. HT will not accept fictitious paint schemes even if they look good. Unless we can prove that the red swoop was added to the B models by a certain date, I'm afraid there isn't much hope for this skin. The same goes for the ID bands on the wings. If there were wing ID bands, would the horizontals also have the bands? Would they be removed when the red swoop was added?
Look again :)
Heres another view with a photo of a D model below it. The swoop is there, it just looks light in the photo. It's the same as the D model below it from the same squadron of the 4th.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/4thBirds.jpg)
Just in case, I outlined it.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/VFSlash2.jpg)
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I think I've had a thought...
The color and quality of both photos are about the same. However the swoop is definitely not red in the upper photo.
I think it's been painted over with silver, which has a slightly different color than the worn BMF/older silver (I don't know if ponies were truly bare or painted gloss silver).
Any idea why they'd cover up the swoop? It's definitely non-red in nature.
EDIT: It mentions a "frozen fog" which might explain the dim tail code, but that would not explain why a red marking was totally obscured but the blue tail and the olive anti-glare were not.
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A quick search shows 2 P-51Bs labeled with 975 as serials assigned to the 4th FG.
42-106975 P-51B 336thSqd VF-N
43-6975 P-51B 336thSqd VF-S Bar aft of letter
I am betting that its 43-6975 :aok
I will check my stuff at home for other photos of this plane and or other Bs in the same time period.
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I wasn't trying to identify the code, I was using it as an example. While it is dim, it is visible. The frost must be making it dim. However the frost is not erasing it. So one cannot blame the frost for "erasing" the red swoop from the nose.
I was just removing the frost from the equation, the equation being "Why is there no red on the nose?"
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Originally posted by Krusty
I think I've had a thought...
The color and quality of both photos are about the same. However the swoop is definitely not red in the upper photo.
I think it's been painted over with silver, which has a slightly different color than the worn BMF/older silver (I don't know if ponies were truly bare or painted gloss silver).
Any idea why they'd cover up the swoop? It's definitely non-red in nature.
EDIT: It mentions a "frozen fog" which might explain the dim tail code, but that would not explain why a red marking was totally obscured but the blue tail and the olive anti-glare were not.
Sometimes the type of film used would do that. There are other photos where Ortho film makes the red look lite. You can see where the color goes across the OD anti-glare panal that would extend all the way to the prop otherwise.
Can post examples if you don't believe me :)
OK just one example. Well known P51B of Kidd Hofer. Also well documented markings. You can barely if at all make out the red band on the vertical tail. Red nose clearly looks lite colored.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/KiddsB.jpg)
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Originally posted by Krusty
I wasn't trying to identify the code, I was using it as an example. While it is dim, it is visible. The frost must be making it dim. However the frost is not erasing it. So one cannot blame the frost for "erasing" the red swoop from the nose.
I was just removing the frost from the equation, the equation being "Why is there no red on the nose?"
I think that's because it might be a 363rd FG Mustang. I found two references to it being flown by the 363rd FG and lost in March 1944.
See this list HERE (http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/MACRmonthly/44MarMACR.htm)
Yet this does not make sense because it has a Malcom hood!
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Figured out why I knew that :)
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/Megura.jpg)
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Interesting about Ortho film. However it makes the red darker than the surrounding silver. On the previous photo the red (if its red) is actually lighter than the surrounding silver.
Is it possible it's another quirk of the film? Yes. It's just that in general ("in general" mind you!) red takes a darker pigmentation.
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Originally posted by Fencer51
I think that's because it is a 363rd FG Mustang. I found two references to it being flown by the 363rd FG and lost in March 1944.
See this list HERE (http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/MACRmonthly/44MarMACR.htm)
Doubt that as the MACR is March 44 yet we've got a photo of the bird taken with the 4th in December 44. 363rd was inactivated in late August 44.
Clearly a mystery how 43-6975 was still around in December 44 though when it was listed missing in March 44.
NMF Mustangs were'nt even in theater in March 44. Would have been an OD/Gray bird.
It's the film type used that gives the nose marking the lite color look.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Doubt that as the MACR is March 44 yet we've got a photo of the bird taken with the 4th in December 44. 363rd was inactivated in late August 44.
Clearly a mystery how 43-6975 was still around in December 44 though when it was listed missing in March 44.
NMF Mustangs were'nt even in theater in March 44. Would have been an OD/Gray bird.
It's the film type used that gives the nose marking the lite color look.
Good points, see my revised posting, I am doing this from work and didnt think all the way through. Obviously something is screwed up on those lists or we have duplicately serialed Mustangs.
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Since you guys are being picky :)
Here's a photo showing a 334th B model parked right next to Red Dog Norley's kite.
It clearly has the swept back nose marking. It's a QP kite and it's serial is, and I checked it, 43-24762. I CAN"T figure out what the individual squadron letter is however! So it would look exactly like Red Dog XII except it's a Malcom hooded B model. Red tail, red outlined QP codes. Just gotta figure out the letter!
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/4thbmod.jpg)
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Sweet! There ya go!
Forgive me for being picky, it just helps to have a solid case when presenting this to HTC. You show an image with no red on the nose but blue and olive standing out clearly and they may say "Hm... I don't see anything" -- but you show them the faded red photo with the dark red photo and it becomes much clearer!
Now you've got a better case to present the skin as-is.
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OK best guess
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/CQPJ.jpg)
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Dan,
Nice detective work. Gotta love Escort to Berlin! Great book.
Now, let me rain on the parade. Thats not Red Dog XII next to it. Thats a different Mustang with the same squadron codes, but different serial numbers. Its actually Red Dog XI. I don't think it has the red outlined Squadron codes, so 43-24762 would not have them either. ;)
However, I am not going to complain, good work. :aok
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Originally posted by Fencer51
Dan,
Nice detective work. Gotta love Escort to Berlin! Great book.
Now, let me rain on the parade. Thats not Red Dog XII next to it. Thats a different Mustang with the same squadron codes, but different serial numbers. Its actually Red Dog XI. I don't think it has the red outlined Squadron codes, so 43-24762 would not have them either. ;)
However, I am not going to complain, good work. :aok
Almost got me :)
But I said the B would look like Red Dog XII. I said it was parked next to Red Dog Norley's kite :)
I saw the different serial as well. I did have to look twice though :)
From a couple different sources I understand that the red bordered codes for 334th came into play in the Fall of 1944 so they're just not showing up in the image.
Either way I still want a swept nosed 4th FG B/C model so I can learn to fly the 51 better. Just can't see myself in the D. I built too many Monogram 1/48th scale Malcom hooded Bs as a kid :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Just can't see myself in the D. I built too many Monogram 1/48th scale Malcom hooded Bs as a kid :)
LOL!!! I think folks who build model kits of a plane when young have a strong affinity for that plane. I know it's true of me, as well!!
I've built a few early 109s, so I have this irrational desire to fly one all the time! It's tempered by my sense of logic most of the time :)
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I think the photo of VF-S is mis-marked as 43-6975 that, as Fencer51 pointed out, was lost in March '44 while serving with the 363rd FG. I think VF-S is really 42-106975, a P-51B-15 with the Malcolm hood that carried the codes VF-S and VF-N at different points in its carrier. The "210" of the serial number was painted over with the blue on the rudder leaving the "6975" on the fin. If the serial number was 43-6975, most likely the "36" would have been on the rudder and the "975" on the fin. Too bad we don't have a picture of VF-S's left side.
Okay, that means you have two choices:
A: VF-S with a modified swoop to match the photo. (Unknowns: Id bands; red shadows to the VF-S.)
or
B: QP- with the same red nose swoop, red rudder, and ID bands as Morley's "Red Dog XI" in the foreground. I would not add a plane code letter – think you would see part of a letter in the photo if the bird had one. (Unknowns: Squadron code letters outlined in red at the time of the photo -- Yes, I'm picky.)
My vote is for choice B. I think it is reasonable to assume that the bird would of operated with Morley's "Red Dog XII" and I think that is the objective with this skin.
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Originally posted by MachNix
I think the photo of VF-S is mis-marked as 43-6975 that, as Fencer51 pointed out, was lost in March '44 while serving with the 363rd FG. I think VF-S is really 42-106975, a P-51B-15 with the Malcolm hood that carried the codes VF-S and VF-N at different points in its carrier. The "210" of the serial number was painted over with the blue on the rudder leaving the "6975" on the fin. If the serial number was 43-6975, most likely the "36" would have been on the rudder and the "975" on the fin. Too bad we don't have a picture of VF-S's left side.
Okay, that means you have two choices:
A: VF-S with a modified swoop to match the photo. (Unknowns: Id bands; red shadows to the VF-S.)
or
B: QP- with the same red nose swoop, red rudder, and ID bands as Morley's "Red Dog XI" in the foreground. I would not add a plane code letter – think you would see part of a letter in the photo if the bird had one. (Unknowns: Squadron code letters outlined in red at the time of the photo -- Yes, I'm picky.)
My vote is for choice B. I think it is reasonable to assume that the bird would of operated with Morley's "Red Dog XII" and I think that is the objective with this skin.
I'm all for choice b as well just for the in the air look flying wing on Red Dog XII. My thinking with giving it the J was that it would have had to have been I, J or L as you'd have seen some part of a letter otherwise. The stuff in front of the area where you'd see the letter would cover the I, J or L. Anything else would be showing some part of it. Very much doubt it would have gone with no code letter. Speculation of course, but since we're playing detective :)
QP codes outlined in red from Fall of 44 on and this was a January 45 image.
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I like "B", with one comment.
Ya know what? Just pick a letter!! Explain in the submission that the skin is accurate, but you had you use your best guess as to what the code was. They will understand!
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Here is choice B without a code letter. As far as anyone knows, the aircraft was never assigned to a pilot and might not have had a letter applied. I still think you would see the top of a code letter since they used a fairly bold font. You can definitely see the "Q" around the aileron.
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/v204/qp_1.jpg)
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Looks good.
Having an assigned pilot wouldn't make a difference on having a code letter though. Any operational plane would have had a squadron code letter. The VF-S- had the slash on the end because there were two of them in the squadron.
Because the QP B model has hung 108 gallon tanks, it's clearly operational and waiting for the next mission. Giving it any squadron letter at this point would work as there is nothing documenting a letter to that specific bird. But it would have had one.
And I wanna fly it! :)
Sure appreciate all the work MachNix
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2 things:
1) Wasn't the rudder blue??
2) Check the profile for the "S" plane again, there is a sharper angle for the nose swoop. It goes straight down like a nose band, then at about 1/3 from the bottom makes a sharper turn.
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Originally posted by Krusty
2 things:
1) Wasn't the rudder blue??
2) Check the profile for the "S" plane again, there is a sharper angle for the nose swoop. It goes straight down like a nose band, then at about 1/3 from the bottom makes a sharper turn.
He changed it to a 334th FS QP coded bird, not the 336th FS VF bird. 334th had red tails, 336th had blue.
He's going off the nose swoop on the B model in the second photo I posted.
Photo evidence from the same time frame eliminates the following as the code letter for that B model in January-February 44. Leaning towards L now since there is no L listed for that time frame.
P51D QP-F
P51D QP-G
P51D QP-H Sizzlin Liz
P51D QP-I Zoomin Zombie
P51D QP-J
P51D QP-K
P51D QP-N Skippy
P51D QP-O Red Dog XI,
P51D QP-Q
P51D QP-R Georgie
P51D QP-V V Lazy Daisy
P51D QP-X Iron Ass
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Awww.. I sorta liked the blue!
Regardless, I see which page he's on now, thanks for the clarification.
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Added the "L" and updated the image. Even though "L" would have been available after Hofer's loss in QP-L "Salem Representative" in July '44, I think it would have been visible in the photo. It certainly could have been added by the time Norley's new mount, "Red Dog XII", was in operation. I have some minor details to correct on this skin so there is time for any second thoughts.
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Originally posted by MachNix
Added the "L" and updated the image. Even though "L" would have been available after Hofer's loss in QP-L "Salem Representative" in July '44, I think it would have been visible in the photo. It certainly could have been added by the time Norley's new mount, "Red Dog XII", was in operation. I have some minor details to correct on this skin so there is time for any second thoughts.
I very much like it. It will be worthy wingman for Red Dog XII. Definately looking forward to taking it up in game :)
Thanks for all the work on it.
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Made a composite screen shot to make sure the colors matched between the D and B models. (Updated the image above.) It also gives Guppy35 an idea of what it will be like when/if the skin makes it in.:) I still notice some minor items that need correction but the skin will be submitted in a day or two.
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Originally posted by MachNix
Made a composite screen shot to make sure the colors matched between the D and B models. (Updated the image above.) It also gives Guppy35 an idea of what it will be like when/if the skin makes it in.:) I still notice some minor items that need correction but the skin will be submitted in a day or two.
That's a beaut. And that's exactly the point of doing skins from the same group on different birds. Talk about adding to the immersive effect of the game.
Fencer better start worrying, cause if that skin makes it in, I'll be looking to tag along with the 4th on occasion in that bird :)
Thanks again MachNix. Great work :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
That's a beaut. And that's exactly the point of doing skins from the same group on different birds. Talk about adding to the immersive effect of the game.
Fencer better start worrying, cause if that skin makes it in, I'll be looking to tag along with the 4th on occasion in that bird :)
Thanks again MachNix. Great work :)
Worrying? :O Hokey Smokes, I need all the help I can get!