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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FuBaR on September 20, 2005, 10:25:57 PM
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Can anyone tell me good ways to deal with gut wrenching depression, other than meds, therapy, and toughining up.
Im not suicidal, im not weak, I am social, and can be alot of fun.
But lately Ive seem to become resistant to anti depressants and been in a real endless pit, makes my stomach hurt like hell, cant eat, have trouble sleeping, can hardly smile anymore.
I know It seems pathetic that all I can do is complain about it rather than just go out and fix it. My trouble is having no motivation of changing, even though I want it so badly.
Can anyone list some possible ways of building some usable self esteem, seems I just dont have the thrust to get out of the pit anymore, been fighting for years and have never given up. I occasionaly give in, but I have and never will give up.
Someone just give me some pointers or personal opinions....anything at all would really help.
Thanks for your time, FuBaR
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depression well take a nice vaction not a long one just a nice one like lets say to the beach or to your dream place or even a bar with your friends.
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Get your mind off everything else and focus on relaxing, seems like corny stuff but it works.
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I deal with my depression with alcohol
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pooh that only covers it up, it WILL come back
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Go rob a homeless person of all their earthly goods.Makes you feel like a King walking among the peasants.Plus if they have any aluminum cans you can sell those at a decent price.I primarily use them as my working retirement fund.
JB12
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oh yeah fubar what r u depressed about?
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Exercise. Once body becomes happy, brain will follow.
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I would try exercise, start by a long walk or bike ride, then add in a few days at the gym. It's hard at the beginning, but after about a month you feel the difference and start to feel better about yourself and it builds from there. Look forward, fight the good fight, and don't look back. Good luck
Russian beat me to it
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Lists very long and endless, so ill sum it up with....I have no life left, I have no friends left (in the real world) I hate more things than I like, Ive never even been with a girl, I am lonely, Know most of what to change but lack the will power to do it.
Im going to stop there.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Lists very long and endless, so ill sum it up with....I have no life left, I have no friends left (in the real world) I hate more things than I like, Ive never even been with a girl, I am lonely, Know most of what to change but lack the will power to do it.
Im going to stop there.
You have a PM.
Karaya
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New Hobby.
I'd advised sailing, but that'll probably make it worse when you realize you just spent 10,000 dollars on something you're only going to use during the summer months.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
I know It seems pathetic that all I can do is complain about it...
I had a close friend with this. It is most assuredly not pathetic. It is real, and it is as debilitating as any physical ailment there is.
The problem is, most people inflicted with this tend to go off the meds. Huge mistake. You gotta look at it like this... Some people are born with, I dunno, arthritis. They take medication for it. Some have migrains every coupla weeks. They take medication for it. Some are born with much worse ailments, and they take medication for it. And for the most part they are able to lead happy and productive lives.
Depression is a brain ailment. And the brain is every bit as much of an organ as any other thing. For some the brain chugs along just great. For others, less so. Differences in seratonin uptake and all the rest of it.
Just 'cuz it's the brain that's malfunctioning doesn't make it any different than, say, eyes malfunctioning.
If your eyes malfunction, get glasses. If your brain malfunctions, do something about it. It takes a hella long time for the doctors to zone in and fix it - and that's the hard part. You gotta play around with different meds, and you gotta play around with various doses of them. Takes awhile. But you gotta do it.
Then odds are, you're good to go. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
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Another thing is Dash (fooby) is 17.
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GET OFF THE COMPUTER
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You just need a little Scientology!
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There's no such thing as depression you dolts, Tom Cruise said so, it a HAS to be true it just HAS to!
:) Fooby
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Originally posted by EPER
GET OFF THE COMPUTER
" nailed it! Spending alot of time on the PC can give people a depressive state, Kinda like living Michigan from November 1st thru May 1st .....every day is cloudy driery and tends to be called cabin fever (just an example) get out do things! met people! try new things out side of sitting behind your PC.
I work begind a PC all day long (8am - till 6pm) and then spent alot of time after for gaming and chatting(depends sometime i might never leave till bed, others i bolt out the door), but what i really want is to go out and be socail (so i do)
Only you can make you happy, and only you know what will make you happy! -no its not all T & A!!!!!
"Remember one thing i'm no better than anyone else" (even thought we l33ts like tothink we are in ouir own minds)
Fubar Best of luck! get out of them funky cloths man!
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Meds help in the short run, but they aren't something you should be taking long term at your age. But they can help you get over the hump...get you past that "activation energy level" so that you can employ more long term solutions.
I agree that exercise is amazing in helping cure both of your problems. You will become more self confident and unashamed of any imperfections you perceive may be holding you back from attracting a gf. Also with the self confidence, you can muster the courage to ask someone out. Starting the exercise routine is the hardest part and then not making excuses to get out of the routine...even for 1 day. Choose an exercise routine that you can tolerate or even enjoy. Personally, I don't like running...so my choice was swimming...augmented with weights. In winter, I would do weights alone.
You've also taken a good step just by asking for help and suggestions. Sorry we are a lousy bunch to call friends, Dash, but at least we do enjoy your virtual company, banter, and...well...having a little good spirited fun at your expense. ;) But you do have to do more. You need to engage others in local reality as much as you do via the internet.
It takes a concious decision to make yourself change so that you can take that next step. It can be a bit scary to change because of the expectations others have of how you normally behave (if your brother is not supportive or makes fun of your behavior change, you will need to simply look past it...I know it is not that simple, but you have to make yourself do it). But it is something you really have want...and believe me, you can make the changes in your attitude and behavior if you choose. Lord knows I have myself...high school was not my best time...very introverted. But I decided that is not the way I wanted to be for the rest of my life. When I went off to college many hundreds of miles from home at age 17, I had my opportunity to become what I wanted...and just did it.
As another alternative, if you need someone to help you motivate to give you the character changes you desire, you can always consider the military. Besides...chicks dig uniforms! :D The Navy can certainly train you in firefighting as well as the Air Force so that you will be prepared to join a department when you get out.
Edit: Spade, I see you're reading this thread. Give your bro any support you can to help.
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sure it only covers it up
Hell thats what I want I live 10k miles from where I want to
When I wake up at 1400 local time it is a few seconds when it is 0400 Hamburg time and I need to get to work.then reality sets in and thats what my friend vodka is there for
Oh hell Fubar confidence is what gets a chick.
remember Fubar you are hte man
you are the ,man
when u step out of your car, you are the mix of macguyver,that guy in the "take me on "video, and luke skywalker. repeat that to yourself
One could look like a blimp but with confidence he would score.
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Depression for most people is a combination of chemical changes in the brain, and destructive thought patterns. Meds alone help some people, counselling alone helps others - but statistically speaking nothing works as well as the right medication combined with cognitive based counselling.
So what is cognitive counselling? Start with each thought, especially the negative ones. Most of the time when we get depressed, there's a lot of negative messages we run through our heads. Most of those are distorted or unreasonable, and by challenging each one, testing it against reality (NOT some pollyanna everything is wonderful BS) -- you can start making some progress.
SO when the message plays in your head -- like "I screw up everything I touch" -- test it against reality. Have you done some things well? Then fight the thought with a reality counter attack, like "I can be pretty funny, and I do pretty well in math." Another common thing is to lose sight of the big stuff, the things that are important to you, and focus in on things that dont really matter that much. Troubel is, your body chemistry jsut sees the stress and self blame, and reacts accordingly.
For example, I jsut logged off in disgust thinking "I really stink at this game." I was frustrated, and felt that I hadnt improved at all despite all that time trying to learn. My gut was in a knot.
FIrst, in reality I HAVE improved tremendously (OK, thats because I was so inconcievably terribly bad at first that it was simply impossible to get worse -- but I digress.) I've just switched tracers off. I was pressing out of frustration and did stupid stuff. I had a bad evening. I dont stink worse than a week old corpse with dead maggots. It jsut isnt true.
Second, who the heck cares? This is a game, and there are many things FAR more important to me. I cant let this small area of my life rule over my emotions. There's no way that I shoudl let little stuff, like what some jerk said or what the clueless clique of horde dweebs at school/work/whatever think.
But you get the idea. Fight the lies that habit and the disease play in your mind. Find a real counsellor who can help you see things that are hard to seee on your own. The emotions will follow.
And Fubar -- I gotta tell you, I respect you a lot. You're a kid (no offense -- I'm 43, so anything without grey is a kid to me :) ), and like most kids there are times things go overboard. But you've shown class that many grownups havent.
You probably dotn remember this, but about a year ago I was in your flight zone and we got jumped from behind. You were tail end in a group of 5-6 friendlies who were only loosely cooperating. You got nailed, and went semiballistic over the lack of check 6s. I said, hey, sorry, I was scanning the cons ahead -- I jsut didnt see it. I figured that was the end of a typical normal MA event.
But the next day, you looked me up and PM'd an apology that I didnt even think was required. That showed me character and class, and I've not seen anything since to change my mind. You're gunna be alright if you give yourself a chance, Fubie.
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The physical fitness part of the equation is great advice.
Makes a huge diference. Go out and get one of those cheap Weider benches and some weights. Yeah, within a month (that's nothing) you're gonna feel a hundred times better.
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Edit: Spade, I see you're reading this thread. Give your bro any support you can to help.
He's on msn with me. :D
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And PS -- about the gf thing.
Dont buy in to the lie that you're life has to be like what you see on TV, or what every lying teen around you says their life is like. Be who you are, develop your strengths and work with (and accept) your weaknesses. Just get comfortable in your own skin.
Thats what will make you attractive to the kind of person you want to attract. (I'm speaking from experience here.) Also, in college the girls get better all around -- and they start to realize that geeks make pretty good providers.
You will not be happy with a companion who has a cranial vacuum, no matter what she looks like.
You dont need a GF to make yourself complete, and if you get one with that goal in mind you're gunna get an even worse disappointment before long.
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alcohol+chloroform= teh win
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one basic question... it can lead to many
What do you want out of life?
Make your goals, and follow through.
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Originally posted by BluKitty
What do you want out of life?
Oh yeah... nothing like a critical self-evaluation to pull you out of a depression.
:huh
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:rofl
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Lack of sex may cause depression. Even too much of it.
I got it after I got out of the porn biz. hehe.:cry
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Have you found jesus?
I didnt know i was supposted to be looking for him
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shut up you all suck
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YO fubs, my life is MAJOR %^&*$# up right now too... (excuse the cartoon beetle baily cussing), but there is "hope"
you know i am cool with keeping things quiet about personal lives here since we have talked on yahoo / whatever, get yahoo messenger 7, and we'll go on vox for a bit some night and chat. you still got my handle, message me, and we'll hook up. hell with the new one you can leave me a "voice mail" lol.
sorry bro, you KNOW i wont go on AIM with you, becaus e i HATE to type. hell this alone took 10 minutes :rofl
i am OUT ALL weekend, but around the weeknights before then. look me up
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My wife suffers from depression. Even with the Meds she goes through really bad periods of anxiety attacks that last for days and sometimes a couple of weeks where she will do nothing but lay in bed and sleep (when she can sleep.)and cry
She's been to several doctors and even went for inhouse treatment twice
Its tough to deal with....For everybody.
i know it has been on me.
Doctors have impressed me so little I went off on one telling one I thought they, and he in particular was nothing more then a glorified pharmacist.
Im still not convinced most of em arent.
Very frustrating.
Comming here and discussing/debating/arguiing with the folks here and playing the game is kinda like my therapy. or I'd probably be right there with her from this. And sometimes its hard not to
Tough road. I sympothise with you
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Originally posted by Sandman
Oh yeah... nothing like a critical self-evaluation to pull you out of a depression.
:huh
well if that's how you read it i'm sorry you see things that way.... it is a somewhat ambigous statement.
it's about getting your desires in order ... put your wants and dreams on the table.... and figure out how to get them.....
What else is there to life?
If you want a loveing lover, ok ... It might fill the 'void', but it might not..... it's about what Fubar wants out of his life. And yes, you need to examine things to figure that out, at least in my life.
I've seen people turn thier lives around after finding their 'soulmate'...... but not everyone.
You need to self examine or you or your Doc will never find the cause of depression.
The doc's that give you your meds aren't in your head ... you are.
Do you really think a little self reflection is bad?
BTW .. I thought about sticking my head in a unlit gas oven today.... I dismissed it as stupid and pointless very quickly ... but don't lecture me on depression while you've posted nothing helpful.
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But it wasn't unhelpful.
Folks with depression talk too much with themselves in their head.
It is good advice: Just shut the hell up and do.
If you're depressed, the worst company is you. So quit talkin'.
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2 possible therapies:
Hypnosis helped this guy...
(http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/office_space/ron_livingston/ron.jpg)
But this is probably a better option.
Lawrence's therapy (http://www.xourque.net/wav/ospace/twochicks.wav)
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please keep the flames out of my thread. thanks.
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Originally posted by Nash
It is good advice: Just shut the hell up and do.
"Make your goals, and follow through."
are you talking to me or sand? Sure sounds like what I said in diffrant terms.
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Originally posted by Nash
But it wasn't unhelpful.
Folks with depression talk too much with themselves in their head.
It is good advice: Just shut the hell up and do.
If you're depressed, the worst company is you. So quit talkin'.
very good point.
I know my wife does this. Her mind goes a mile a minute. worries about anythign and everything.
then starts self examining and tht makes her worse.
During her bad times she feels
Shes a terrible mother
Terrible wife
shes stupid
She beats heself up about being overweight
and no amount of reassurances helps.
She'll actually argue with me.
"But yes I am"
She says its like a freight train running through her head that just wont stop
Also she tends to hang out with people who are even more depressed then she is.
And while that might make some of her problems seem not so bad I am of the opinion that we often start to take on the persona of the people we hang out with.
Hang out with depressed and otherwise negative people and you yourself will tend to become depressed and negative.
Hang out with upbeat positive people and you will find yourself more up beat and positive.
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I posted on here for my self hoping I could get some ideas or even help, If I wanted to be seeing flaming and pointless purse fighting, I would go to MA and ask for help...behave or be gone.
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Yo Fubie my dear lad force yourself to eat like 6 times a day 3 big meals and 3 small meals and get on a treadmill drink plenty of water during the day take some vitamins and start running.
I've felt depressed sometimes and this has helped me greatly there are some people that might need meds for a short period of time some don't, that doesn't neccesarily mean you have clinical depression it just means that the routine you might have at this time might not be the best, dont' sweat it about the gf when you graduate from HS the pootie metter will go off the scale you'll find a ghoul for you to eat and be eaten by ;) so don't sweat the small stuff.
This is my IMO anyhow. G luck!
Fustius!
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It's a little bit different.
"Goals" are a total joke when you're depressed. You can't think long-term like that.
Because when you're depressed, the long-term seems worthless. Why take short-term steps if it only amounts to long-term worthlessness? That's what it's like.
So no....
What ya gotta do is... well it's sort of an instinctual type of thing that you gotta embrace. You just have to trust it. It's more about letting impulsiveness in - however uncomfortable it may feel at the time. And however futile it may seem. At this point, you just have to trust that a better life is possible. That's all.
Just entertain that idea, and go with it. When people ask you to go out... just say yes. Make it a law. Like a robot. Just say yes. Go out, however horrible that idea seems to you at the time. Throw yourself in and do it.
And fitness...again, just do it. Pain in the ass, yes. So what. Just go run or something. I mean, what do you gotta lose at this point, anyways?
Your mental health is like a muscle. You don't suddenly turn cars over.... it's gradual. Takes a bit of work.
But each day, throw yourself in. It will get easier the next day. And the next day? Even easier.
Pretty soon... you'll see what it is you have been making the effort for.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
I posted on here for my self hoping I could get some ideas or even help, If I wanted to be seeing flaming and pointless purse fighting, I would go to MA and ask for help...behave or be gone.
Ignore the flamers.
If they havent been there they dont know.
Some people think its not real or its something you can just "snap out of"
Its not and it sucks.
One thing I do know or feel from personal observation is that sitting there by yourself thinking about it and non stop worrying about it only seems to make it worse not better.
the more you think about itthe more you worry about it and the more you worry about it the more you think about it
Like Nash said the worst company for someone suffering from depression is themselves.
Get out and do something.
Set goals and strive to acheive them.
Hang out with positive upbeat people.
And if you must talk to yourself
Try to stop beating yourself up and start telling yourself you" can" or your "going to" instead of you cant.
Eventually you will convince yourself you really can
Im sure there are things you've alwas wanted to do but havent simply because you "havent gotten around to it"
Well. Start doing them instead of just wanting to.
Doesnt have to be anythign major and probably shouldnt be at first. Start small and work your way up.
but go through thoose things one by one and start doing them.
Then you can say "Yes. I finally did it" and in that way you will have achived some success. And nothing helps confidence or attitude more then success. and it feeds on itself.
Instead of viewing setbacks as a possible way to fail. look at them as a new challange to conquor.
Look at the positives in your life and pay less attention to the negatives.
Hey, you woke up this morning didnt you?
See you've already had success. Now. what are you going to do next?
eventually you will see things really arent that bad.
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The exercise advice works pretty well. Feeling good does away with worrying too much about the everyday mundane things. Depression makes molehills into mountains.
Try not to deal with too many things at once. This can be overwhelming. Deal with priorities, but some things can wait. I used to feel bad about putting off 'til tomorrow what I could do today. Not anymore. I use this time to get a good night's sleep and wake up refreshed. Sleep is the best thing for getting rid of depression.
That and having something to look forward to doing that day, working on a project. I mention work because work, if I try to do the best I can and is something I enjoy, gives me a feeling of accomplishment. This is very important to my being happy.
One last thing and this is serious. Warriors often deal with severe bouts of depression. They worry about things that non-warriors don't think about. Whether you agree or not, dedicated AH players are a form of virtual warrior. I would say that there's a warrior spirit in anyone that plays this game. So could have something to do with it Fubar. I kinda mess up my schedule by playing AH during late hours and then not getting good sleep.
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Take care and Salute sir!
Les
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Originally posted by Russian
Exercise. Once body becomes happy, brain will follow.
Sounds stupid, but Russian is 100% correct. when you exercise your body releases endorphins (stuff that makes you happy).
http://www.healingsprings.com/ENDORPHINS.htm
Also, if you take up a sport/martial art, you will meet friends there. So you will be doing exercise, getting happy and socialising.
I know in our country one of the best ways of socialising would be to join a Football/Rugby/Cricket team.
As someone else has said.. GET OUT THE HOUSE! i was ill for about a year and stuck inside, and i felt pretty much as you describe. I got off my arse and got a job doing something that i knew i would enjoy.
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I'm 37 years old and I've been fighting it for 5 years now! It got really bad when my wife left me for another man, a couple of month's ago. Now I'm divorcing her lyeing, cheating A**. Most of mine centered around her drinking and trying to save a marriage, that she was hell bent on destroying. I got so bad, I almost DID something very stupid (12 gauge head-ache pill), until I decided to get off my sorry A** and go for a bike ride (bicycle, not motorcycle) and I rode about 20 miles (I went out 10miles, then came back home). When I got home I was so exhausted from the ride, that I fell asleep in my recliner, and woke up about 12 hrs later refreshed and ready to do it again (even though my legs hurt like hell). And I've been doing it every morning for about 3 weeks now, and I'm feeling better and better everyday! So YES, exercise DOES HELP! It helps take your mind off the problems, and it helps you get stronger, both mentally and physically! Don't get me wrong, I still think about her very often, but everyday that goes by I GET STRONGER, and will soon forget about her!
Just my 2 cents worth, but hope it helps!
Edit: oh BTW, it's pretty obvious that YOU do have friends here, even if they hate ur guts in the MA, that will listen if ya wanna talk about it! SO, YOU ARE NOT ALONE ! There's plenty of peeps here that HAS been there, done that, and a few that are still struggling with it!
YOU ARE NOT ALONE !
AND IGNORE THE DUMB A** FLAMERS, they're too stupid to know anything about it!
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Originally posted by JB12
Go rob a homeless person of all their earthly goods.Makes you feel like a King walking among the peasants.Plus if they have any aluminum cans you can sell those at a decent price.I primarily use them as my working retirement fund.
JB12
Awesome.
We gotta party.
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Get a hobby where you can socialize IRL. You obviously like aviation so how about soaring or RC-planes for example? Excercise is of course a good thing, but it may get you even more depressed if you don't have the motivation for it. You might also want to try taking some fish oil, it has been reported to help with depression.
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I've dealt with depression in my life by working. Two jobs will keep you busy, if you can't find a second job, it's time to do all of those home projects, such as building the deck and installing the fence you always wanted etc.
Your close friends will pick up on it however...
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Too much self analysis is a bad thing when you're down.
BUT the "setting goals" thing is right on target.
As far as daily life goes, pick a goal for the day, and make sure it happens. Pick a thought pattern goal too -- pick a target for the day, like "I'm not going to slam myself for my looks." Every time that kind of thoiught comes up, interrupt it. It's less overwhelming than trying everything at once.
Second thing about picking goals -- and I think its what somebody else was tryign to get across -- is more of setting priorities. Decide what's really important to YOU, and dont sweat the rest. Most people have only a couple things they really value, so decide what yours are and blow off the rest.
Break the routine, pick a new activity. Pick a skill to develop, like martial arts (as long as THEY dont start with the peace through zen stuff).
Escape is NOT the answer. Whether you hide in booze, sex (virtual or real), work, or ANYTHING -- the stuff inside will find its way out. You cant run from your own guts.
As they say, wherever you go, there you are.
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buy... or better yet... build a Hot Rod. Car guys don't get depressed... it is the combination of exercise, working with your hands and sense of accomplishment...
If you build something unique and old... you won't be lonely... I have never driven the Healey anywhere when I didn't have people walking up to me just to ask about it.
lazs
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FuBar,
Very gutsy move laying your life and troubles out here like this for everyone to see. Here's a VERY BIG from a guy that's been there and is constantly feeling like he falls short in his own eyes.
Oboy, here it goes....
Depression, to me, feels like the LIES that my own mind tells me about myself constantly get through. There's a part of my ego (or little voice) that tries to convince me that I'm not WHAT I'm suppossed to be or WHERE in life I'm supposed to be.
Whenever something happens to me, my ego judges it as EVIDENCE that helps support those negative thoughts.
Example would be that if at some time I might not have a GF, my ego could use that as EVIDENCE that helps support the LIE, or negative CORE BELIEF about myself that "I'm not like everyone else" or maybe it's "I'm a loser" or "I'm just not good enough" or in my case it's "I'm not wanted".
Another example could be something really small and stupid like my house is a mess. My ego will jump right in and proclaim "Your just a slob"
The trick is to see these negative thoughts as what they really are. Just LIES.
So why does my ego want to tell me these Lies? It usually, for people, stems from a negative judgement that they made when they where a child about themselves. Or several judgements, but usually it all boils down to one BIG one. Maybe something that their parents said, that they took wrong and believed or maybe a situation happened that their child minds interpreted in some negative way towards themselves... and their ego has been using life experiences from then on to support that belief.
I'll use my own CORE negative belief as an example. When I was a kid, I was bounced around from my mom to my dad to my grandparents constantly. I actually went to 12 schools in 12 years just from being bounced around. Also, my old man was married to a woman that was very jealous of me and my relationship with my dad. Not my fault, I was just a kid trying to growup, but she managed to talk him into getting rid of me for good and not letting me live with him anymore. Well, at the time, I couldn't see any of this as it really was, a jealous woman and a weakness in my dad. I saw it as something about me and I made a terrible judgement about myself that was "I'm not wanted" and my ego started using things in my life from that time on to help support that judgement about myself for the rest of my life in many different aspects. And that is where I could come up with "I don't have a GF because I'm just not wanted" It's that simple and a very powerful belief.
Maybe this helps. If this resonates with you, what you can do is identify what that Core Belief is and whenever you start telling yourself one of those negative thoughts or LIES, you'll know that it's just BS and you'll know why. Because of some stupid judgement you made a long time ago that has nothing to do with squat now and was a wrong judgement in the first place because you were just a kid and couldn't see the situation for what is really was.
How you can try to identify this Core Negative Belief is the next time you have a negative feeling about yourself, just ask yourself "what in the world, in my past, could have given me that notion?" Or you could even try it without having a bad thought and just ask yourself, "what happened in my past that could be effecting how I see myself now" I know it sounds too easy, but it really works that way.
btw... everyone has a Negative Core Belief so don't think you're more broken then everyone else... actually, your better off then most because you already see that something is wrong and have the guts to lay your cards on the table for us gamoaks to see.
again btw.... usually negative Core Beliefs develop around your age or a little younger.
excercise is an awesome way to also feel good about yourself on the outside and inside as well.
Again a VERY BIG YOUNG MAN!
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Therapy.
I am by no means an expert but it seems to me that medicating just treats the symptoms of depression. Talk to an actual shrink so that you can find the cause of your depression. There should be some way that you can get assistance if you need it to pay for some therapy in conjuction with medication.
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What works for me is to go out and have some fun, like just go to the lake and do some hiking out there or something social like go bowling, or even a hobby. Out of all 3, bowling is better. If you see a girl there either by herself or with her girl-friends, chances are they are single also. Find one to talk to and go from there
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FUB, I too suffer from depression. I think mine is brought on by being affected by things out of my control. I have to learn to say fuggit alot. I was a perfectionist at a very young age, and when things dont turn out perfect it really eats at me.
Ive found that if I stay busy it helps. Starting projects at home that normally I wouldnt have attempted, even at friends homes helps me. Exercise does work wonders. And get off the computer. I swear it will be the cause of early alziemers for many in the near future.
Girls are nice, but dont get wrapped up in them at your age. You are still a kid. Enjoy. Do stuff kids do. Go work for a plumber for awhile. Try learning something you never thought you would. Dont let the woes of the world bring ya down. Being a teen is hard, but once you graduate and get on your own, life is a wonderful thing.
Go make friends. Go somewhere, where people are doing real things, and get involved. Before you know it you will not only have acquaintences, but a few more friends as well.
Talk to someone about how you are feeling. It doesnt have to be a paster or your parents..somethings I could never talk to them about. Try a person in town you respect, and trust. Ask his/her advice. But talk to someone. My vent guy was a welder here in town. He gave me alot of good advice.
Hang in there bud..its a much nicer world than it seems.
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I would give the Hot Rod thing a try... lot less depressing than some of the "cures" I am seeing here.
lazs
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eat right - no crap, exercise - break a sweat for at least 30 minutes a day/7 days a week and get plenty of sleep - at least 8 full hours every night
do that for 30 days and come back and tell us how you feel
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go to Jack on th Box
buy a bacon bacon cheesburger and comback and say how depressed you are
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What I have to say on the subject will piss some people off. nothing new there. :
My wife suffers from what has been diagnosed as post traumatic stress syndrome. Severe depression. Anxiety attacks. periods where she cannot take even the simplest things as grocery shopping , etc.
This all came to light and started after a cancer operation. A very succesfull one.
She has been treated for this for about 3 years now. Therapy, medication, etc, etc.
She goes in. "Is the medication working?" "Absolutely not". What do they do? Add or change medication. I sit on on the "therapy sessions". An amazing thing has came to light about the so called "experts" that I have witnessed in the past few years. These are some of the most screwed up folks I believe I have ever seen. Three I have witnessed are big into 'self medication", especialy the kind that makes you go fast such as Ritalin. They are so far gone they don`t orbit this planet but about once a week. They live in fantasy worlds. Has all this crap helped? Hell no. It has made matters worse by a long shot. In short , they suck.
I have been dealing with an injury to my neck for about four to five years. Very friggen painfull. I have been diagnosed, examined, X-rayed so many times I can`t count them. I have been down the tube in MRI machines so many times I`m thinking about getting a job with the circus as the man who gets shot from a cannon. :)
I`ve been to so many neurologists and neurosurgeons to be examined that I think I could pass a friggen medical exam myself. Has the problem been taken care of? Hell no. They are too busy collecting money and diagnostics to actualy do something about it.
Depressing? You answer that one. :)
The one common thing about all these doctors is the immediate knee jerk reaction that I need to be on antifriggendepressants. To a T, they have all tried to prescribe me this crap. I fell for it once and tried it. Holy Moly... thought I was ready to take up the hobby of gorilla wrestling or eating door jams. Changed medication. Same same.
The last one that wanted to go down that road , I lowered the boom on. I told him" Hell yes I`m depressed". I asked him if he would be depressed if over aperiod of years he had been diagnosed, examined, shuffled like dominoes from one "specialists" to the other and the problem was still there and had not been taken care of. I told him to shove his antis , put down the calculator, and actualy do something about the problem. No more antidepressant prescriptions for me. :)
I want take the lame bellybutton pain medication unless it reachs the point to where my muscles lock up and I end up in the emergency room for injections. The stuff makes me feel like crap. I take muscle relaxers that I have prescribed to reduce spasms and control them. They are prescribed for four daily. I take them when I need them, no more.
So.......... I know about depression and how I deal with it.
My advise: Deal with it! Do like I do..take the pain and depression and don`t let it whoop you. You are your own defense system. If you feel yourself getting down.....give yourself a good biatch slap and pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Don`t allow yourself to be beaten by anything. Grit your teeth, pull yourself up and go full damn speed ahead.
Sometimes you have to take responsibility for how you feel and how easily you either get whipped or overcome something.
Pick it up, shake it off and take control of it.
Harsh? Maybe, but if you are waiting for someone else to do what only you can do, you are in for a long, long wait.
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FooB,
HUG
I could go on and on about depression... but won't. They are all right about exercise, therapy and meds. You hit the first step, recognition that you have a problem and now you want to seek help.
Depression is a deep pit that is easy to fall into and hard as hell to climb out of....some don't make it. My Brother didn't make it and I almost didn't make it. *Thank Gawd for fat big toes, couldn't reach the trigger* Don't let it get that bad. Your 17 now, without help it will get much more worse with age.
You got alot of friends here FooB and we all care about ya and have respect for ya also. So go and get some help and lets work on making you better.
HUG
Mac
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Do exatcly as your doctor tells you.
Take your meds and like said above go get a good workout as it releases indorphans {check spelling} they will elevate your mood.
I have been Bi-Polor since teen age years and without meds Im a cross between Robin Williams and Mike Tyson LOL.
Good luck I know it sucks but ya gotta tell year self it could be worst you could have cancer or something.
Depression can be delt with if you follow your doctors instructions to the letter.
Good luck man I feel for ya been there doin that.
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Originally posted by Russian
Exercise. Once body becomes happy, brain will follow.
Great advise..Though if things are really screwed up,findin the time to get it back is really hard.
Try volunteering...you might have to commit for some time but the people you end up meeting can change yer life.:)
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Nash, Dred... that was exactly my point. Thanx.
:aok
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Originally posted by Jackal1
What I have to say on the subject will piss some people off. nothing new there. :
My wife suffers from what has been diagnosed as post traumatic stress syndrome. Severe depression. Anxiety attacks. periods where she cannot take even the simplest things as grocery shopping , etc.
This all came to light and started after a cancer operation. A very succesfull one.
She has been treated for this for about 3 years now. Therapy, medication, etc, etc.
She goes in. "Is the medication working?" "Absolutely not". What do they do? Add or change medication. I sit on on the "therapy sessions". An amazing thing has came to light about the so called "experts" that I have witnessed in the past few years. These are some of the most screwed up folks I believe I have ever seen. Three I have witnessed are big into 'self medication", especialy the kind that makes you go fast such as Ritalin. They are so far gone they don`t orbit this planet but about once a week. They live in fantasy worlds. Has all this crap helped? Hell no. It has made matters worse by a long shot. In short , they suck.
I have been dealing with an injury to my neck for about four to five years. Very friggen painfull. I have been diagnosed, examined, X-rayed so many times I can`t count them. I have been down the tube in MRI machines so many times I`m thinking about getting a job with the circus as the man who gets shot from a cannon. :)
I`ve been to so many neurologists and neurosurgeons to be examined that I think I could pass a friggen medical exam myself. Has the problem been taken care of? Hell no. They are too busy collecting money and diagnostics to actualy do something about it.
Depressing? You answer that one. :)
The one common thing about all these doctors is the immediate knee jerk reaction that I need to be on antifriggendepressants. To a T, they have all tried to prescribe me this crap. I fell for it once and tried it. Holy Moly... thought I was ready to take up the hobby of gorilla wrestling or eating door jams. Changed medication. Same same.
The last one that wanted to go down that road , I lowered the boom on. I told him" Hell yes I`m depressed". I asked him if he would be depressed if over aperiod of years he had been diagnosed, examined, shuffled like dominoes from one "specialists" to the other and the problem was still there and had not been taken care of. I told him to shove his antis , put down the calculator, and actualy do something about the problem. No more antidepressant prescriptions for me. :)
I want take the lame bellybutton pain medication unless it reachs the point to where my muscles lock up and I end up in the emergency room for injections. The stuff makes me feel like crap. I take muscle relaxers that I have prescribed to reduce spasms and control them. They are prescribed for four daily. I take them when I need them, no more.
So.......... I know about depression and how I deal with it.
My advise: Deal with it! Do like I do..take the pain and depression and don`t let it whoop you. You are your own defense system. If you feel yourself getting down.....give yourself a good biatch slap and pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Don`t allow yourself to be beaten by anything. Grit your teeth, pull yourself up and go full damn speed ahead.
Sometimes you have to take responsibility for how you feel and how easily you either get whipped or overcome something.
Pick it up, shake it off and take control of it.
Harsh? Maybe, but if you are waiting for someone else to do what only you can do, you are in for a long, long wait.
True depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain.
All the pull your self up by the boot straps crap aint gonna fix it
no more than wishing away a cold LOL.
Good old Tom Cruise that azzclown I woulve to go postal on his scawnny little arse.
He dont know crap about much of anything exept is his hair looking good.
Depression has been proven over the years that it is a real health issue and cant be wished away.
If I where you I would take the word of the funny man with all the letters behind his name like MD PHD ect ect.
He might know more than all of use BBS chatter boxes..
You might feel ok off your meds but when those around you see the change hopefyully they will tell ya.
Thats the tricky thing bout Depression YOU think your fine when your really not.
One more piece of advice If you have ANY firearms in your house
take them to a friends house or you parents.
Depression and guns are a really bad mix IMHO.
Last tip learn to like yourself and accept that fact that you are never going to be perfect.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
If I where you I would take the word of the funny man with all the letters behind his name like MD PHD ect ect.
He might know more than all of use BBS chatter boxes..
Werd up!
And yeah, Tom Cruise is as stupid as those relious flakes who won't take their seriously ill children to the doctor.
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Now this is a thread I was so happy to wake up to and read.
Please keep em coming, everything helps.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
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She goes in. "Is the medication working?" "Absolutely not". What do they do? Add or change medication. I sit on on the "therapy sessions". An amazing thing has came to light about the so called "experts" that I have witnessed in the past few years. These are some of the most screwed up folks I believe I have ever seen....
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There are good doctors, and there are a lot of lame ones. There are good counsellors, and there are a WHOLE lot of lame ones. You've run into some very lame ones, of both kinds.
That doesnt mean they all are worthless, any more than the MA clueless ranting no-SA no-ACM HO-meisters prove that Leviathan doesnt exist.
If you're seeing worthless counsellors or doctors, keep looking.
BTW, both sides are right here -- some people's depression is situational or self assisted, and they can pull themselves out with life changes.
Some people's depression is purely chemical, and no matter what they do their brains are tilted that way.
The big mistake is for anyone to assume that "because it worked this way for me, everyone must be llike this." Thats why therapy on BBS is, well, BS. If any of you guys are suffering, you need to find a non-lame person who TRULY knows what they're doing, and work through the situation.
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And if all else fails..rent/buy Gilligan's Island first season(in B&W)..:rofl
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Im situational Sim. Its just the lack of virtually everything that turned it on, now hopefully if I build my willpower I'll add the things I need. Ive been with many therapists, counclers and so on, It has helped but only to a certain extent. I dont expect them to just wave a wand and cure me, I think its mostly up to me.
Thats where Im stuck.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
True depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain.
All the pull your self up by the boot straps crap aint gonna fix it
no more than wishing away a cold LOL.
Every feeling you have is a chemical reaction in the brain or an electrical impulse.
You either control them or let them roll down hill.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
And if all else fails..rent/buy Gilligan's Island first season(in B&W)..:rofl
:huh :confused: :rolleyes: :eek:
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Im situational Sim. Its just the lack of virtually everything that turned it on, now hopefully if I build my willpower I'll add the things I need. Ive been with many therapists, counclers and so on, It has helped but only to a certain extent. I dont expect them to just wave a wand and cure me, I think its mostly up to me.
Thats where Im stuck.
Naw , you are not stuck bud. After being ran through the ole mill you have decided it is up to you.
You are not stuck. You are in pause mode trying to think things through and figure out your next steps.
You have allready taken a pretty big positive step IMHO. That being to talking it out with others.
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Hurts ALOT more If I dont tell others im hurting, and just need help
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Hurts ALOT more If I dont tell others im hurting, and just need help
Oh yea, exactly. I don`t think anyone can carry a lot of stuff around and keep it bottled up to yourself.
It will eventualy eat you alive from the inside out.
Getting it out, talking it through and expressing how you feel about things helps a lot.
If you`re mad, express it. Don`t hold it in.
If you`re happy, express it.
If you`re depressed, express it and talk it through.
I`ve notcied that you, in the game, have a great talent of making other people laugh and enjoy themselves. Laughter is great medicine and you have a very good talent of sharing it with others. Give yourself a break sometimes also. Laugh with others and share in the talent you have. Laughing at yourself ain`t too shabby either. :)
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Well, I don't know how good virtual worlds are for depression. Video games raise the threshold of what excites you and changes are rapid, so after a while, the real world can seem slow and dull. I think I'd get away from online gaming if depression was a problem.
In other words, get out, get some sun, fall flat on your face, get up, fall flat on your face, get up, i.e. live.
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I dont expect them to just wave a wand and cure me, I think its mostly up to me.
Some seem to disagree with what I said.... "What do you want out of life?"
they feel examineing yourself is a bad idea- mentaly beating yourself up over your problems ... well that's not what I'm saying .... that IS a bad idea.
I'm saying- what is a fix for some people, like exercise or being extra social etc, isn't nessecarly the fix for you.
You need to figure out your wants .... Not reflect and beat yourself up over your life and mistakes etc.... I'm not saying that....
I am saying that what helped me get out of deppression, very likely won't work for you.
Alot of people here seem to think what helped them is a sure fix for you, Fubar.
I think talking to a Doc can help.
Exercise can help too I think.... but you might already be fit and healthy....
what I'm saying is- Figure out what you want out of life ... then just do it.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Hurts ALOT more If I dont tell others im hurting, and just need help
See Fubar,
See what has happened since ya opened the door and said "I NEED HELP" ! That was the first step in your recovery, and look at what it brought ya! I told ya, YOU ARE NOT ALONE , and look at how many peeps here that have either been through it themselves or have family/friends goin through it, and those that are still sloggin their way out of it! They all make sense (cept the lame flamers) in some way or another. One thing is for sure though, Only You CAN dig urself outta this, others can help you along the way, but only you CAN really do the diggin!
It really does help when you kick open the door and let people in, that have delt with this pain in some way or nother. All the shrinks and pills in the world are NOT goin to help you like a good dose of FRIENDSHIP CAN!
You've got the first step nailed good, the next is up to you! Tell your family and personal friends about your sitrep and if they do care about you, like alot of peeps here, they WILL listen and try to help you through it! HAVE YOU DONE THAT YET ?FRIENDSHIP CAN HELP! So GET ER DONE !
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Originally posted by SirLoin
And if all else fails..rent/buy Gilligan's Island first season(in B&W)..
:)
i meant that as a cheerup suggestion...piked wrong smilie thingie
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Every feeling you have is a chemical reaction in the brain or an electrical impulse.
You either control them or let them roll down hill.
Indeed but when people are having suicidal thoughts {very common in depression} It aint normal and expert help is required.
Oh and did I miss something? where did you go to medical school?
Or are you really Tom Cruise LOL?
It is iresponsable to tell someone who may have a depression problem to just suck it up.
Infact its stupid.
If I where you I would not be giving out advice to someone unless I was trained in the subject as It could do more harm than good.
Look for a good doctor and go see him find out what is going on from a professional.
After all if you hade a vintage P-51 would you take it to jiffy lube for service?
Trust me it will get better but only after you take charge of your own mental health.
Be pro active .
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The best thing I can suggest is to find something you enjoy doing, preferrably a few things you enjoy, and make them part of your life. Quit worrying about other people's standards because you can never live up to what everyone else things you *should* be doing or thinking.
My Dad suffers from mild depression... Doesn't like to plan vacations or travel but enjoys himself if someone else does. Is perfectly happy spending the day reading the paper, checking some internet stuff, listening to music, and maybe walking to the store for groceries and stuff. Every once in a while, he feels the motivation to go do something and he goes and does it. But when he doesn't feel like doing anything, he falls back on whatever it is that he DOES feel like doing, and to hell with what anyone thinks.
Shed negativity. Seriously, if there is someone or something in your life that's dragging you down, avoidance may help. You *should* be doing whatever the hell it is you want to do, as long as it's not destructive, illegal, or non-sustaining from a well-being point of view. For example, even if you don't like your job you can't just quit unless you find another one, you can't quit going to the grocery store just because you hate standing in line at the checkout, etc. But if a "friend" keeps bagging on you for doing or not doing something, or not being a certain way, then they're not a friend and you need to hang with someone else.
Fitness... I feel better after exercising and I feel better when I'm in good shape. Every time I work out it hurts like hell because of a not totally successful back surgery, but if I don't work out then it'll be worse and it would hurt all the time. If you feel sore for no reason, it's your body telling you that you're so out of shape that even daily life is too strenuous. So go put some physical stress on your body in a healthy way, and build back up some natural resistance to the world in general.
If necessary, pay to go to a fitness center and get a personal trainer, if you simply can't get started or don't know how to make fitness part of your lifestyle. Once you get into the good habits, you'll feel better all the time for no reason other than you're healthy.
Smokers feel that way just from lighting up and smoking is a proven weight-loss technique, but the downside of cancer is a pretty big deterrent in my book so I don't suggest trying that.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
And if all else fails..rent/buy Gilligan's Island first season(in B&W)..:rofl
For sheer campiness, consider first season of Lost in Space or the really over the top Batman series from the sixties.
Of course, nausea may be an unintended side effect
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FUBAR I am hoping that a little understanding of the dynamics of depression may help.
Anger and depression are related. If something happened that made you very angry, and it wasn't your fault for example, it is important to address the situation and find a way to 'express' the feelings associated with the event(s).
If a person does feel intense anger over something (or accumulative things) and if for the most part the anger is not outwardly expressed what happens is predicable. When anger is internalized and not expressed outwardly it can/will manifest itself with sypmtoms of depression.
Try to think of anger and depression as opposite ends of the same striaght line and having the same source.
You will find without exception that all the great artists, regardless of their chosen field of expression all have had to deal with intense feelings. Conflict is the essential component in all great art. Conflict can only exist as man against man, man against nature and man against himself.
The difficult task is to find a release for yourself...to find what works for you. The most important thing you can do is talk about it. Externalize how you feel. I would definately suggest a medical professional only because they are trained to be objective and that allows you to truely be honest about your feelings without them becoming emotionally involved.
The journey out of this dark abyss can be long and difficult. It is important to have someone who can remind you about the light at the end of the tunnel when you are unable to find it.
I have sent you some email; please don't hesitate to contact me.
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100% right toronto, and yes I have had very angering times, and still suffer from anger problems.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Indeed but when people are having suicidal thoughts {very common in depression} It aint normal and expert help is required.
Oh and did I miss something? where did you go to medical school?
The school of life shortcake.
Where did you go to reading comprehension class at?
He has been going to "professionals".
I will be more than glad to argue with you on just about any subject, but this is not the place.
Keep your juvenile thoughts to yourself or start another thread.
Some of us are trying to support and do what we can to help Fub out on this.
You see, some of us have and are dealing with some of the same things as Fub and have a few ideas that actualy work...............That and we sorta like the kid.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Can anyone tell me good ways to deal with gut wrenching depression, other than meds, therapy, and toughining up.
If you refuse any of those solutions, just kill yourself now, idiot. Go see a real doctor now or STFU and get off the board. You have got to be kidding me, asking this AMC Gremlin full of clowns for medical advice.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
100% right toronto, and yes I have had very angering times, and still suffer from anger problems.
A majority of people have a buffer zone...what I mean is if something happens to make us angry, most of the time an individual can resolve the issue. However, if another person has had a lot of situations that leave them feeling angry and the anger is not addressed and resolved then it will remain and 'boil' like a saucepan on the back burner of a stove. The next time even a "little" thing happens then this person explodes into a rage. It is a disproportionate response.
It is interesting to know that once any single source of anger is addressed and expressed and resolved it goes away and will never return. It simply dissolves.
I like what Filth said about finding someone who you feel comfortable talking to. I think that is the best place to start...express your feelings...externalize them. (even if that means writing things to yourself--no one else ever has to read your notes)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
If you refuse any of those solutions, just kill yourself now, idiot. Go see a real doctor now or STFU and get off the board. You have got to be kidding me, asking this AMC Gremlin full of clowns for medical advice.
A hug would have said the same things. :aok
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The best way out is to find your anger, and use it to get physical excersise, which really will change your chemistry. Try a bicycle.
Oh, and see a doctor. Some drugs can help, but ask questions about being able to get off them at some point.
Some of the goons around here have the constitution of roaches, and would survive an atomic holocaust with a good attitude, so don't listen to them...
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I just found out I have Bipolar disorder. What keeps me good is going outside in the fresh air and staying busy. If you know someone out in the country, go there and live the country life for a few days. Trust me, it does wonders!
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Two chicks at once, and you'll feel like you're king of the world.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
The school of life shortcake.
Where did you go to reading comprehension class at?
He has been going to "professionals".
I will be more than glad to argue with you on just about any subject, but this is not the place.
Keep your juvenile thoughts to yourself or start another thread.
Some of us are trying to support and do what we can to help Fub out on this.
You see, some of us have and are dealing with some of the same things as Fub and have a few ideas that actualy work...............That and we sorta like the kid.
LOL your the one giving medical advice without the licence.
This is an important subject and giving stupid advice is not helping anyone.
So if ya wanna start a flame thread do it somewhere else as Im sure fubar would appreciate it.
And for your info I too have this condition as in Bi-polor post traumatic stress and deslexia.
And I know that without my DR's help and medication I would in far worste shape than I am now.
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Not going there with ya. Forget it. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Not going there with ya. Forget it. :)
:D
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=846377&page=1&pp=25
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If you live in or near a large metropolitan area, get away from it for awhile.
Take a two or three day trip in search of solitude.
Go camping. A large, fabulously renowned park isn't necessary. Brew a cup of coffee and watch the sun go down...or come up. Contemplate the pristine serenity of the stars.
Build a fire and allow yourself the time to enjoy the exquisite rapture of the flames.
Take one and only one close friend, or your spouse. Talk only about unimportant things.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
If you live in or near a large metropolitan area, get away from it for awhile.
Take a two or three day trip in search of solitude.
Go camping. A large, fabulously renowned park isn't necessary. Brew a cup of coffee and watch the sun go down...or come up. Contemplate the pristine serenity of the stars.
Build a fire and allow yourself the time to enjoy the exquisite rapture of the flames.
Take one and only one close friend, or your spouse. Talk only about unimportant things.
Dude, that sounds like some scene outta a gay or chick flick. SERIOUSLY 2+ chicks at once :aok
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Lists very long and endless, so ill sum it up with....I have no life left, I have no friends left (in the real world) I hate more things than I like, Ive never even been with a girl, I am lonely, Know most of what to change but lack the will power to do it.
Im going to stop there.
They said it, exercize. Tough to give a crap enough to get started, but it's the single most importnat thing you can do. Stay on the meds while getting fit... try not to self medicate with Booze. If you get too good at that it'll cause "difficulties" in your life. Go post somewhere with females or join a matchmaking thing. Chicks dig troubled, dangerous types.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
My advise: Deal with it! Do like I do..take the pain and depression and don`t let it whoop you. You are your own defense system. If you feel yourself getting down.....give yourself a good biatch slap and pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Don`t allow yourself to be beaten by anything. Grit your teeth, pull yourself up and go full damn speed ahead.
Sometimes you have to take responsibility for how you feel and how easily you either get whipped or overcome something.
Pick it up, shake it off and take control of it.
I'm not upset about this advice... it's just wrong and will not work.
Exercize, and a temporary boost of better living though chemicals worked out with a real MD who specializes in that sort of thing
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Hot Rods... you need to build a Hot Rod.
lazs
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
I'm not upset about this advice... it's just wrong and will not work.
Exercize, and a temporary boost of better living though chemicals worked out with a real MD who specializes in that sort of thing
Strange it did work. :)
as Laz said, a hot rod would be a great idea, especialy for someone at Fubs age, or even better yet build ya up a Harley. :)
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Fubar, motivation is the single hardest thing to get a handle on. What works for me is just getting started at something and refusing to give up on it until it's finished, regardless of how much enthusiasm I have for it. It's hard as hell to do some days but it does get easier. Hard physical exercise will help take the edge off when you need it. Talking to someone who's a straight-shooter and outside the situation will give you some perspective when you need it. A good MD is invaluable, just remember there is no such thing as better living through pharmaceuticals. Digging your heals in and insisting on personally pwning the beast is the start line.
This stuck works for me - I hope it's of some use to you.
Cheers,
asw
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Fubie, as you know I just went on disabilty from the State due to Bi-polor disorder. It's a constant struggle. Being around friends helps. Helping someone else is a good thing too, like taking an older person to a Doctor's appointment or even just taking them shoping. Talking about it is a good thing too. If you need someone to talk to I'm always here.
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Its all helping guys, still have some of those days where its alot harder than others. But I got a subscription to the new 24 hr fitness near me. Started back up on guitar, Cutting pc time little by little.
Please keep the good advice flowing.
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I used to have the same probs fooby, all of mine stemmed from my brain not being able to slow down. I'm constantly thinking about something . I had always been the big shot football player in high school, goint to all the paries and evrything went to college at UT and played ball there until I tore up my knee my junior year. It basically ended my college sports career and I almost let it destroy my life. After that happened I stopped going to class, quit talking to friends, basically just gave up. The only thing I could think about was, now I have no friends, can't do the only thing I luv anymore, will never get another girl because i'm not playing ball anymore, you name it I thought it. I didn't wanna eat, get outta bed or anything, just lay around my dark room and pop every kind of pain killer I could get my hands on. I used to just chew up handfulls of vicodins and codienes, basically anything bad for me I did. I don't know how I did it but I ended up graduating with a degree in business management, but to me it was useless, the 1 thing I wanted to do was over... When I got outta school working and everybody at work said I needed to see a doc. Went and saw 1 and all he said he could do was medicate me, which is not what I wanted. By this time I had 3 girlfriends break up and leave me lol one cheated on me with my best friend lol one just used me for money and the other gave me the friend speech lol, so I was feeling really really low at this point in my life... The only thing I had going good for me was my job that was it. I knew i was getting really bad and running out of time quick, I just knew there was no way I could keep living like that. So I took every single negative thing in my life and got rid of it, tried not to think about it. I engulfed myself at work making myself just as busy as I could, found me an awesome online game to play in my off time, built a 68 camero on weekends... just basically did everything I could to stay as busy as I could and not think about stuff. Basically quit drinking, and I haven't had any kind of pill stronger than a tylenol lol. It took about 2 months of this routine for me to get outta my rut, but it worked and now that I'm better I just can't understand how I got so messed up. Nowadays if a chick breaks up with me I don't even sweat it at all. I think I like being single better anyways, get to do what I want when I want. At night I still have problems goin to sleep but thats because i'm thinking about a show I just watched on discovery channel, or thinking about how I let some newb shoot me down in the MA lol. Another thing I did was I turned into a real bad Ahole lol, I figured I didn't really need to be hanging out with the ppl I had been so I got rid of all them, and I quit wondering what other people thought, most other people are too stupid to be assosiated with me anyways lol... I think allot of times when we are depressed or low its because we let our brains lie to us and tell us stuff that isn't true, and we think everybody else in the world is fine and we're messed up. The fact is, everybody has problems, good at some things bad at others. Do what I did, just say F everybody else and start worrying about yourself and quit trying to please others. Find something you like to do and keep busy, really really busy. Become a workaholic if you must. As long as your busy working you won't have the time to be depressed. I'm serious, try not and have any spare time, if you don't work weekends find something to do all day on saturday and sunday too. I keep myself so busy nowadays I maybe get 4 hours of sleep a night if I'm lucky. If I can do it I know you can bud. Lastly don't sweat the small stuff bro, there will be plenty of chicks, especially once you get older and make a lil money, they come a dime a dozen I promise you, especially if your going to be working for the fire dept. I have known allot of girls that have had things for firemen, i would bet the farm that firemen get more tail then any other proffession in the world. Once your older you'll start trying to figure out ways to get the chicks to leave you alone so you can play AH2 lol. And friends blah who need em, all friends end up doing is pissing you off in one way or another... The best friends in the world are hot chicks, go to a club make friends with a hot girl, not one you actually wanna hook up with but one that you can talk to, after a week or two she will start hookin you up with her friends, thats one thing chicks love doing, hookin up there friends.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Its all helping guys, still have some of those days where its alot harder than others. But I got a subscription to the new 24 hr fitness near me. Started back up on guitar, Cutting pc time little by little.
Please keep the good advice flowing.
Just don't cut out the PC time so much, that you start to MISS ur FRIENDS here (on the BB) and in the game! HANG IN THERE, You CAN get past this. It's gonna take time, and yes you WILL have a few bad days (I still do), but the GOOD days WILL eventually outweigh the bad ones, so that they don't bother you as much as they do now!
FRIENDS are the best medicine to depression (they don't charge you for their services, and you never run out of them)!
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Been feeling pretty good lately, been to the gym a couple times. Trying to get in the habbit.
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Fubar
There will be days in the future where you will feel so down you don't even want to get out of bed.
It will feel very real to you but you have to say to yourself that it is not real. That is the depression hitting you and just like in a fight when you catch a punch hard you have to resist the urge to go with the depression and try to fight it.
The best way is as they say here go out and excersize. Even if you feel like there is no way you can get dressed and go out do it. If you are afraid of seeing people go for a run. If you are lonely go to the gym. Just do it and make sure you don't stop exercising until you start to feel better.
It will come back again and again. You need to realize when it does that you can fight it and what you are feeling is not real. It is the depression attacking you. Fight back. Never give in.
The days you feel up do something new and exciting. The days you feel down get showered and shaved and go and exercise. Never lay in bed. Never try to rationally think why your life is so bad. It is not bad, it is just the depression making you feel that way.
Good luck man.
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if you are trolling then brilliant troll, if you are serious and are interested in a possible solution that is worth a try my suggestion is gojo ryu, if you can find a dojo teaching sansei goju ryu even better. attend every night they are open. if you want google manny saavedra and see if there is a school near you. the workouts are phenomenal and the added benefit will be knowing that any dweeb you meet at the next con could easily be table fare even while you are still a kyu belt.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Been feeling pretty good lately, been to the gym a couple times. Trying to get in the habbit.
:aok
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im doing great.
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While looking at your avatar I realized that I can read lips....
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Most of these people are full of it. It's not drugs and it's not sports and it's not working out. It's staying busy and occupied. Find something that YOU love and do it.
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Couldn't sports or working out keep one busy and occupied?
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Sex with two chicks at once.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Sex with two chicks at once.
as long as their not fat
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"fat chicks need love too... but they gotta pay!"
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Originally posted by Sandman
Couldn't sports or working out keep one busy and occupied?
Yup, it could. But although there may be something to the "a healthy body equals a healthy mind" theory, the reality is that the most therapeutic aspect of the activity is that you are doing something that you enjoy that is occupying you. I have intermittently struggled with depression and I have found that the worst times correspond with the boring times. If working out gets you off, go for it, but it may not be someone else’s cup of tea. In my experience something as simple as researching and building a model of my favorite AH bird can be greatly therapeutic and satisfying. It's all up to the individual. Activity is the key.