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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on September 22, 2005, 08:10:50 AM
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Thought we'd try Karnak's suggestion this week:
CHINA-BURMA-INDIA, 1944-1945
Overrun by the Japanese at the beginning of the war, the CBI
was a backwater front for two years. During this period the
Allies concentrated on overcoming the logistical nightmares
of supporting armies and air forces in the trackless jungles
and mountains of the theater. Finally, late in 1944, the British
and Americans launched offensives to recapture Burma and
open a land route to China. The Japanese responded with a
fierce counterattack. Operations in Burma concluded only
at the beginning of May, 1945; the war ended before the
Allies could continue their planned advance into Malaya.
Of questionable importance, and largely forgotten, the CBI
was the scene of some of the most savage fighting, under
some of the most brutal conditions, of the entire war.
This setup is the work of Karnak's research into the aircraft
available to the participants, and of his thoughts on how to
translate those aircraft into the AH environment.
Map: Rangoon
ALLIES (Knights)
B-24J
C-47A
Hurricane IIC
Mosquito Mk VI
P-47D-25
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XIV
M16
M3
M8
PT boats
JAPANESE (Bishops)
A6M2 (Ki-43 substitute)
Bf110C-4b (Ki-45 substitute)
C-47A (Tabby substitute)
Ki-61
Ki-67
Ki-84
M16
M3
M8
PT boats
Notes:
Puffy ack is .25; low-level ack is .5.
Fuel burn is 1.5.
Radar is: Tower 158400; Sector 237600.
Killshooter is on.
Friendly collisions are off.
Visibility is 12 miles.
Base capture settings are standard.
Carriers have no planes and should play no
part.
We will watch to see how the Spit 14s work out.
Initially they will be enabled at all airfields.
The "front line" of 1944 has been fussed with
to facilitate combat, while (hopefully) preserving
the flavor of the theater.
- oldman
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I am glad that my suggestion was useful. I hope the setup goes well and is fun.
Unfortunately my computer decided to develop a catastrophic hardware conflict on Tuesday evening. At this time it does not look promising for me to have a computer for the next week or so. :( I am having a friend who knows more than I do about these things take a look at it tonight as I have exhausted my knowledge. The RAID card won't even format the drives anymore, giving an error message now. If he can't see a way through it I may be ordering the parts for my next computer tomorrow. This was planned for 6 months from now and I don't really have the cash, but I need a computer for some of my important real life tasks.
If the setup works well though, I am sure it will be used again sometime in the future.
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eh SPIT 14 saw action in CBI theatre? I thought SPIT 14s were only concentrated in Europe :huh
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That's an interesting matchup. The Spit XIV should actually match up well with the Ki-84. Both are excellent planes with an edge in turning to the Frank and an edge in climb and acceleration to the Spit XiV.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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thanks Oldman
hope this setup attracts the numbers and the ppl this weeks did
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Spit XIVs did indeed see service in the CBI Theater in 1945.
I have a book that references Ginger Lacey's squadron recieving lowback Spitfire Mk XIVs and him refusing them on the basis that "They weren't bloody Spitfires!" So they gave those to a squandron that was flying war weary Hurricane Mk IICs and got some high backed Spitfire Mk XIVs for Lacey's squadron.
I also have an account of Spit XIVs being flown off of a jeep carrier shortly before the war ended. They had to bind the brakes extra tight, put wedges of wood in to hold the flaps open 15 degrees (Spits lack multi stage flaps) in order to do it. The pilot would run the engine up to full power and when the brakes started slipping he'd release them and accelerate fast enough to get airborne.
My suggestion was to introduce the Spit XIVs later in the setup, say on Tuesday or Wednesday.
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Originally posted by Karnak
My suggestion was to introduce the Spit XIVs later in the setup, say on Tuesday or Wednesday.
We'll see. Back when the CT drew steady crowds in the 30s and 40s, you could incrementally change the plane set during the week and maintain group interest. These days we don't have those crowds - yet. My thinking was to see if we could grab people's attention right at the start. If it turns out that the Spit 14s are too uber, we can limit them somehow. But I'm with Lev, I think that the Ki84 v. Spit14 will be a good match, and one that it's hard to get in the MA.
- oldman
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Makes sense, Oldman.
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OM - looks like a great match up. Looking forward to it :)
Cheers,
asw
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What!?!
No P-40?!?!1!
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Originally posted by Grits
What!?!
No P-40?!?!1!
Spit14 will auger just fine.:aok
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Bah...P-47 makes a much bigger crater.
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fine set up, I would say add the P38L so I can kill quack quack. :D
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Please note changes from the MOTD originally posted here:
Japanese are Rooks, not Bishops.
The Bishop HQ and base, unfortunately, are located near the front lines. Please don't bomb them, it will screw up the arena.
Karnak invented this setup, and the poor man's computer is dead. So post frequently here so that he can get at least a bit of vicarious pleasure.
I just learned that I have to be out of the country for most of next week, so if anything goes wrong, post it here so that one of the other CM's can fix it.
- oldman
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It appears to be a latewar RAF vs Japan set up for the CBI to me, which explains the lack of P40 and 51B, 51D and P38J/L since the RAF weren't flying those in the CBI.
Might have to wander in and get me a Spit IX :)
17 Squadron got their XIVs in July of 45. The carrier launch, from HMS Trumpeter was in September 45 after the end of hostilities
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Being only familiar with AW arena settings, I have a few questions on what AH settings mean:
Puffy ack is .25; low-level ack is .5
What do the .25 and the .5 mean and is there a difference between the puffy ack and the low-level ack?
Fuel burn is 1.5
What does this mean in relation to my aircraft and/or to fuel on the ground?
Radar is: Tower 158400; Sector 237600
I assume this is the location of the radar tower, though I'm not familiar with how to use those numbers to locate it....
Killshooter is on
Does this mean that shooting friendlies causes damage to yourself? I've not shot any friendlies yet so I'm not aware of what that might mean.
Friendly collisions are off
So we can spawn without fear of colliding, right?
Thanks for the info as I'd rather be flying than spending all of my limited flying time asking all of these while I'm CT.
Oh, one other thing. Can one be part of a different country in each arena? Are those settings part of the arena? Meaning if I'm a Bishop in MA, will I be a Bishop in CT and have to switch to Rooks to fly? Also, will that switch count in terms of having to wait 24 hours to switch back when I go back into MA?
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Originally posted by Fry
What do the .25 and the .5 mean and is there a difference between the puffy ack and the low-level ack?
It means that the AA fire is less lethal than in the MA. The low level ack is the tracer fire and .5 means it will be half as potent as in the MA. Puffy ack is, well, the black puffy stuff and .25 means it will be a quarter as lethal as in the MA. This doesn't mean these things miss more, just that they do less damage.
What does this mean in relation to my aircraft and/or to fuel on the ground?[/B]
The MA has a fuel burn rate of 2.0, which is twice as fast as reality, which would be a 1.0. 1.5 is half way between them so you'll fly further on a tank of fuel than in the MA, but not as far as in reality.
I assume this is the location of the radar tower, though I'm not familiar with how to use those numbers to locate it....[/B]
No, it refers to the range that the radar will detect out too. I think it is in yards, but it may be in feet.
Does this mean that shooting friendlies causes damage to yourself? I've not shot any friendlies yet so I'm not aware of what that might mean.[/B]
Yes, that is what it means. It is AH's method of controling griefers and the clueless.
So we can spawn without fear of colliding, right?[/B]
Yes, and can fly in formation without a lag warp killing you.
Oh, one other thing. Can one be part of a different country in each arena? Are those settings part of the arena? Meaning if I'm a Bishop in MA, will I be a Bishop in CT and have to switch to Rooks to fly? Also, will that switch count in terms of having to wait 24 hours to switch back when I go back into MA? [/B]
You can be on different sides in different arenas.
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To answer a few questions:
Dar settings are in feet, and there's 5280 feet in a mile. So tower radar (the radar towers on the fields) will show up at 30 feet, and sector radar is at 45. The altitude upon which you show up on radar is 500 ft, but it does not stop the field warning detection system from kicking in (base under attack stuff).
The fuel burn rate in the arena by default is set to 1.5 X (times) of historical levels, where in the main arena it's set at 2X.
In the CT, AAA if it's at .25, it means it's at 25% normal effectiveness, or 1/4 hitpower where 1 is 100%. We find that having a lower rate improves realism - but it doesn't stop you from getting shot/pilot wounded. If a bullet hits your pilot, it's still a pilot wound.
We have the ability to adjust all AAA settings in the CT.
:aok
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looks like fun.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Karnak invented this setup, and the poor man's computer is dead. So post frequently here so that he can get at least a bit of vicarious pleasure.
To that end:
I spent about an hour and a half in there last night, all of it flying Spitfires (well, one very abbreviated sortie in a P-47). Lots of the BK folks were there, as well as JG54, so the talent level was quite high (...er...significantly higher than yours truly).
Plain fact: I got clobbered. Didn't matter whether I was in Spit 9 or 14, the Franks were all over me like lice on the new maid. I don't even want to check my scores to see the final tally. I had the sense that, while my own experience might have been extreme, most of the Spit drivers were having similar difficulties.
Now, I must tell you.....I gained a certain satisfaction from seeing Spitfires getting their butts handed to them, even if it was frequently my butt in flames. I gained additional satisfaction from being able to fly a Spitfire without shame. I suspect that, as the week wears on, the Spits will learn different tactics, but there ain't no question in MY mind that angles fighting will not be among them.
All in all, I had a LOT of fun, and hope to be able to get back in there this evening.
- oldman
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The ki84 clearly dominates every plane in there.
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Yup, flown right the 84 is a great spit killer.
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But wasn't the Frank less numerous than the other planes present? If the entire arena is 100% ki84s, what's the point of adding Ki61s, 110cs, and a6ms?
Perhaps try non-Frank planes? They're still fun.
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Originally posted by Krusty
But wasn't the Frank less numerous than the other planes present? If the entire arena is 100% ki84s, what's the point of adding Ki61s, 110cs, and a6ms?
Perhaps try non-Frank planes? They're still fun.
You fly the others when you get bored...same as you'd fly the hurri or the p47 if you were bored.
Looked like someone bombed the bishop HQ when I checked in late tonight. Everything just a little bit weird...like the end of Ray Bradbury's "The Sound of Thunder." Reset and reloaded, looks OK now. I ask once again for folks not to do this.
- oldman
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OM you may want to properly align the HQs it takes a bit of work but it will save grief in the end. inevitably some new guy will come and bomb the heck out of it. I helped slash do it one time and it took some figuring out but we did it.
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Originally posted by storch
OM you may want to properly align the HQs it takes a bit of work but it will save grief in the end. inevitably some new guy will come and bomb the heck out of it. I helped slash do it one time and it took some figuring out but we did it.
Would love to, but I've got no idea how to do so. Suggestions are appreciated.
Just logged on now, found an apparent new guy headed to bomb it. Asked him not to, and he complied. Oy.
- oldman
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IIRC the situation is that on those CT maps you must place the respective countries in the exact place the map makers placed them originally. the key was to find the original country for the neutral country. along with a reset of the arena after every attempt so it could take two tries to set it up to get the neutral country correct
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Originally posted by Krusty
But wasn't the Frank less numerous than the other planes present? If the entire arena is 100% ki84s, what's the point of adding Ki61s, 110cs, and a6ms?
Perhaps try non-Frank planes? They're still fun.
I for one was simply saying the Ki84 is the dominate force through out the plane set in terms of abilities. I was not speaking in terms of numbers they are being used in.
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So, how is the setup working? It sounds like the Ki-84 is a really nasty package for the Spitfires, even the Mk XIV, to deal with from what I am reading here.
From my experience flying the Spit XIV and Ki-84 it is clear to me that the Ki-84 is a more pilot friendly aircraft, but the Spit XIV has a lot of potential if you can subdue it.
Is the setup a good one, with both sides having a fighting chance?
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Originally posted by Karnak
Is the setup a good one, with both sides having a fighting chance?
Karnak, I only had a chance to fly it three nights, and one of them was spent resetting the arena. So, based on TWO nights' flying, I thought it was a lot of fun. Spits clearly had an uphill fight, but they were doing better the second night than the first, so I suspect it was a tactics thing. I wanted to know how things worked out after people had a chance to get used to the planes, but unfortunately I had to be out of town for the balance of the week. Unless there's strong I'd run this setup again.
- oldman
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I flew it a bit, I like the set up.