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Title: killing torps in water
Post by: Billy Joe Bob on September 25, 2005, 11:09:53 PM
can you make it possible to rake a torp with MG fire and kill it?
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: Charge on September 26, 2005, 05:28:12 AM
I'm not sure if an MG bullet can reach a torp running at least 5 meters deep. The wake you see is actually the bubbles left from its "steam" motor.

-C+
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: frank3 on September 26, 2005, 07:28:33 AM
Torpedo bombing is hard enough as it is
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: Ghosth on September 26, 2005, 08:29:54 AM
Kill it with a .50 cal bullet that maybe goes 1 foot in water? Naw, I'll pass.

Kill it with a 20mm exploding round that happens to hit close enough to set off a pressure wave? Emmmm maybe, just maybe.

Kill it with a 5" round that blows a big hole in the water, PLUS a big impact/pressure wave, YES!
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: lasersailor184 on September 26, 2005, 11:50:37 AM
I'll concede this only if 2 torps can take down any ship.
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: frank3 on September 26, 2005, 12:47:12 PM
A well-placed torp should take down the CV immediately though
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: Charge on September 26, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
It should? I thought that they were build to endure more than one hit from a torpedo??

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Title: killing torps in water
Post by: Sandman on September 26, 2005, 04:33:48 PM
I think one torp might do it, but only if the ship was sitting in port.

There is such a thing as watertight integrity. A ship that's being bombed at sea will be at general quarters. Unless there are secondary explosions, I wouldn't bet on one torp doing the trick.
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: Billy Joe Bob on September 26, 2005, 06:31:14 PM
well you could make torp bombing easier and torps a little faster, unless they are as fast as historically recorded already.
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: lasersailor184 on September 26, 2005, 07:29:42 PM
They are as fast as they go.


However, how the Battle Group is modeled isn't correct.

As it is right now, it's going full speed ALL THE TIME.  The speed of the ships is 2-3 mph slower than the torps right now.


However, the ships could only do this for short periods of time.  


I don't remember what they should always be cruising at, but I think I recall someone saying half the speed.
Title: Torp Damage on CV's
Post by: Softail on September 26, 2005, 07:39:04 PM
The USS Lexington was sunk at the Battle of The Coral Sea's by 2 Torpedos and 3 bombs.

In comparison, AH CV's are much tougher.
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: SMIDSY on September 27, 2005, 05:26:46 AM
funny story regarding nuclear torpedos:
a normal torpedo does not impact the ship but explodes under it. this causes a bubble to form under the water. the lack of support causes the ship's keel to break under the whieght. however with nuclear torpedos, the bubble is so huge that the entire ship sinks into it and is engulfed by water. HOWEVER AGAIN, if all the ships hatches are closed it will float to the surface.
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: frank3 on September 27, 2005, 05:53:34 AM
Smidsy, you say that normal torpedo's do not impact the ship, do you mean modern torpedoes with that? Because most of the WWII torpedoes actually did have to hit it
Title: Re: Torp Damage on CV's
Post by: Oleg on September 27, 2005, 06:36:58 AM
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Originally posted by Softail
The USS Lexington was sunk at the Battle of The Coral Sea's by 2 Torpedos and 3 bombs.


No, it wasnt. Lexington was sunk because of secondary explosion of gas vapor from damaged fuel tanks. In fact it remains fully operational after all of these hits.
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: Schutt on September 27, 2005, 07:21:20 AM
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
funny story regarding nuclear torpedos:
a normal torpedo does not impact the ship but explodes under it. this causes a bubble to form under the water. the lack of support causes the ship's keel to break under the whieght. however with nuclear torpedos, the bubble is so huge that the entire ship sinks into it and is engulfed by water. HOWEVER AGAIN, if all the ships hatches are closed it will float to the surface.


WW2 torpedos did use impact fuses more often because they were much more reliable. Magnetic existed but had some malfunctions.

Also the calculations of how many torpedo hits a ship could endure are often pretty optimistic. So while it is claimed that a specific battleship or carrier could take a certain amount of torpedo hits they often were wrecked with less than half of that.
Title: killing torps in water
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on September 27, 2005, 07:39:53 AM
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Originally posted by frank3
Smidsy, you say that normal torpedo's do not impact the ship, do you mean modern torpedoes with that? Because most of the WWII torpedoes actually did have to hit it


There were magnetic triggers already back then and they enabled under-the-keel shots. Apparently it's the most effective way to sink a ship and I know this with 100% certainty. I'm a battle hardened Silent Hunter III veteran you see. :p