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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Habu on September 26, 2005, 05:59:47 PM
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I am going to get my 58 Skylane painted in December.
The question is do I get it painted in exactly the same colours and layout it originally came in or do I paint it so that it looks like a modern aircraft.
The place doing the job can make it look like it rolled off of Cessna's floor yesterday if I wanted.
I love retro design and think it would be really nice in it's original colours but I am afraid that my opinion may be a very isolated one when I go to sell it. I don't want to hurt the resale value.
Below is a picture of the way the plane looked in 1958. This is from a magazine but my plane was identical. I don't have an actual photo of my plane in original paint as it had been repainted when I bought it.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~shaw119212/Sep19-03.jpg)
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Dang, that's a great question. I can't offer any suggestions about which scheme to use, but during my plane search, use of Imron paint seems to be a selling point because of durability, might be something to consider, whichever way you decide.
Finally, have you done the math to decide how much paint affects the selling price? It's possible that it doesn't really matter one way or the other, in which case it's up to what you personally like.
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I guess the question is "is it a classic".
If you look at the antiques, they usually bring more with "original" paint jobs.
I can only speak for myself but if I was buying a 47 year old airplane I'd probably want it in the original "factory" paint scheme if I had a choice.
This is the "new look" from the Cessna site.
(http://skyhawksp.cessna.com/graphics/172SPBlue.jpg)
To me it just wouldn't look right to have your old girl sportin' that fancy new dress.... but I'm not looking to buy a 172, so don't listen to me! ;)
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The plane has a crappy paint job that is less than 4 years old. The
last owner had it done and the place that did it really butchered it up.
I am getting it redone at http://www.skyharbour.com and they will do as good a job as possible. Their work is about as good as it gets.
The interior is original and in very good shape. If I had it repainted it would be a very good preserved plane. Not restored as I would have to get the interior redone to mint condition and I like the original interior the way it is.
Regarding cost. I am getting it done for my own enjoyment and to preserve it as the crappy paint on it now is peeling. However I was just going to go and get it done retro until I started thinking about resale value. I love the old Cessna look. However it may not be a popular look when I go to sell it one day.
That is why I would love your feedback on the issue.
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If it isn't gonna be an antique like toad said, I'd just design your own paint pattern!
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For a Habu, why not all black?
Are you a real Habu?
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Can you polish to a mirror finish?
Looks great if you can but a bunch of work to keep it. Unless they have clear epoxy paint...
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I like the paint scheme on that old magazine. The Green on the underside reminds of me some RLM Luftwaffe Color.:D
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I like to fly and hate to polish so the aluminium look is out. Also when they made the original 1958 182 the Skylane came with a white base coat that covered the whole aircraft.
The cheaper 182 non Skylane had the aluminium look with trim only painted.
Most people do not realize that in the early days the Skylane was an upgrade over the standard 182, now all 182's are called Skylane so hence the confusion.
So because I do not want to polish it and because there may be slight dents etc under the current paint I think a polished look is out.
I will probably polish the spinner though.
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Originally posted by Nefarious
I like the paint scheme on that old magazine. The Green on the underside reminds of me some RLM Luftwaffe Color.:D
The original yokes are in the plane (in great shape) and they are that colour. I like it as well. It is called Seabreeze but some people think it looks like the colour of old insane asylums and hospital wards. It was huge in the late 50's and really dates the plane from that era.
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Tiger stripes with a hot naked chick for noseart and fake gun barrels.
PIMP YA CESSNA!
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Paint it how you want it, not how you think it will effect the resale value. You are the one who has to live with it once it is painted. You never know the original style paint scheme might be a selling point too a future prospective buyer.
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Originally posted by Habu
The original yokes are in the plane (in great shape) and they are that colour. I like it as well. It is called Seabreeze but some people think it looks like the colour of old insane asylums and hospital wards. It was huge in the late 50's and really dates the plane from that era.
I'd do it exactly how that magazine has it.
I think it looks sharp.
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Originally posted by Nefarious
I'd do it exactly how that magazine has it.
I think it looks sharp.
Ditto.
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I'm really into scale modeling. When the weathers bellybutton or it's too cold to fly we hop in the suburban and tour the little strips looking at planes for scale documentation, and I gotta tell yah a tarted up classic in a hokey 'modern' scheme just clashes with the eye. The universal reaction from all of us is 'yuck'.
On the other hand, a ramp with a classic bird done in her factory scheme or tastefully done with colors and trim appropriate for her era pulls all our heads around. Low whistles, camera's come up, a stop at the FBO to ask after the owner or the history usually results.
Nothin looks better than a classic done up to look like she did when she was the prom queen. She could be 40-50 years old and still be the queen of the ramp. A 50's bird looks like bellybutton if she's painted up like a pimp's potato.
Of course, that's just my (our) opinion.. your mileage may vary. ;)
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Time to call X-to the Z Xzibit and PIMP YO PLANE!!
He can fill the cargohold with a 200 gallon aquarium, 12 LCD monitors around the plane that have no real purpose other then to look "tight" and then he can put a banging sound system anywhere that there is room.
Who needs to fly to enjoy a plane?
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My personal opinion...go modern.
Are they taking it down to the metal for the paint? Don't forget to make sure they give you the new weight and balance.
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I`d go with the original scheme. It only seems proper, but what do I know.
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ahah, Paint it flat, low-gloss camo, then put rocket pods and drop tank hardpoints on the wings.:aok
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that original scheme looks sweet.
painting it a modern scheme is just wrong imo. it is like taking a 50's car, putting bling bling wheels on it and giving it a pearlescent paint job.
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I think it shouldn't matter that much. Right now they mostly decorate new airplanes with vinyl stickers over white paint.
You should do that no matter what design you choose. If you don't like it, you change the stickers and that's it. Simple.
Daniel
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Original paint job, for resale and aesthetics.
If you're talking resale, try to find the number of instances where the price was lower because it was in the original paint scheme.
Even a simple aircraft, produced over a long period, deserves to be kept the year it's made.
Should you ever need to part with it, you won't be selling to a "market", but rather to an individual. The paint job will help you choose that person. It is your responsibility as the current owner of this aircraft to ensure that anyone who follows in your footsteps will develop an emotional attachment to the bird, love it like a daughter, and draw the admiration of aviation enthusiasts.
Besides, saps like that will shell out more cash than some chiropractor wanting to impress his dentist friends when he shoots an approach over the fifth hole and miffs the crosswind landing.
Yeah, it's better to have an aircraft that looks just like it was, new, 47 years ago, than one that just looks like it was new 47 years ago.
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Original paint job:aok
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I had an older plane. I don't care at all for the "retro" look. The thing is with a plane you have to keep consideration for the resale aspect. If you set it up for a small market it will be harder to sell later on. Just get a nice paint job that makes it look good and don't worry about the authenticity of it. People out looking for a plane aren't into collecting "classic" or "vintage" Cessna'a like they are Warbirds.
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If it's a straight-tail cessna like the pic, I'd paint it retro. Bare polished aluminum is a bit too high maintenance for me but a nice authentic retro paint scheme would look great on one of those older cessnas IMHO. Get it done right and take care of it though... A crappy fading and peeling retro paint job just looks old and run down. Find some kid who wants flight time and let him wax the plane in return for flights.
edit - as for "retro", don't hold yourself to the original scheme. I'd suggest picking a personal favorite from authentic schemes offered or available at the time. It wouldn't satisfy a purist, but if you ever sell it chances are you're not going to sell it to a purist anyhow.
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I've heard good thins about sky harbour. Remember prep and etching is everything. Also rebalancing control surfaces.
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I'm not to fond of the "turquoise" color used on the belly but why don't you look here :
lotsa 152 pict (http://63.201.10.102/cessna/reg/FMPro?-db=web%5fserial.fp3&-format=photo%5fresults.htm&-lay=main&-sortfield=Member&-sortorder=descend&-sortfield=SortSerial&PictureFile=Y&-max=30&-find=)
Make your choice :)
isn't the skyline a 182 ?
<= LeIgnorant
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Yes a Skylane is a Cessna 182. That is a great site but Cessna painted Skylanes different from all their other planes so even a 150 from the same year would look quite a bit different paint wise.
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Thanks for all the feedback.
I am going to get it painted retro.
During the process I will link to a website where you can see the progress if you are interested.
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yes, PLEASE.. and thanks!
:aok
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:aok WTG Habu!
She may not be a collector's item, but she can wear her colors proudly.
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Good call on the retro.
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CC that, 1940's planes are all considered classics & it wont be too long before 1950s plane are the same. Theres a really early Bonanza for sale cheap on The Controller that I've taken a long look at.
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I bought that magazinewith the picture of the Skylane on the cover. It is an issue of AOPA Pilot from March 1958. I wish I could scan it and post it here it is full of interesting stuff.
There is an ad for USAF Aircraft for sale at the Arizona Aircraft Storage Branch Davis-Monthan Air Forc Base in Tucson Arizona. They were selling 10 C-46A's 150 B-26's 32 T-6G 27 T-28A and 12 B-25's. No prices sealed bids and planes go to highest bidder.
On another page a full ad for a 160 hp Piper Tir-Pacer. Wow such power. The radio ads were all for crystal sets with preset frequencies. According to the add you can get by with 122.1 and 122.5 and that nine frequencies will get you anywhere (121.5 enemgency 121.5 121.9 ground control 122.1 en route 122.5 122.5 122.7 towers and 122.8 and 123 unicoms).
Beechcraft was advertising their Bonanza Travel Air and Twin Bonanza but who remembers the Beech Super 18?
Another interesting article on Aopa member 159957 a guy called Dwight D. Eisenhower who happened to be the President at the time.
Loads of great stuff. On page 70 there is a ad saying" It's Fun It's Easy Fly your Plane to Cuba. No Delays No Red Tape, Simply file a flight plan at least 15 minutes before take-off. No Passport Required. It was placed ty the Cuban Tourist Commission.
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What a way to get people into cuba.. :lol
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Here are some pictures of the plane. It is almost finished. I think it turned out very cool. I am sure you won't see another 1958 182 looking like mine.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/972_1156557574_58cessna182.jpg)
and
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/972_1156557598_58cessna182tail.jpg)
The paint is as close to original as I could get. I also installed wing tip extensions (increased the gross by 300 lbs), larger fuel tanks (100 gals versus 65) a Horton Stol kit and a Shaden Fuel Flow analyser as well as a bunch of repair and replace type things (new windshields and side windows, new engine compartment doors, some minor rivet an sheet metal work, flap gap seals etc etc)
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Originally posted by Habu
Here are some pictures of the plane. It is almost finished.
Beautiful Skylane, Habu. I love the turquoise and black--they scream 50's. Share some more pics when you get it finished.
What do you have planned for the interior and panel?
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The interior is original. Still has the original fabric on the seats even. I am going to leave it that way. Not as new looking as the outside but why mess with something that came from the factory.
Same with the panel. I have added a few things and replaced a few but the basic layout and instruments are almost the same as what came out of the factory.
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Very nice Habu. Good choice on the colors. First thing that popped in my mind was appliances I'd seen from that era.
(http://www.elmirastoveworks.com/northstar/images/range_main.jpg)
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Wow that's nice looking. Nice little list of mods too. What exactly comes with the mods? STOL kit?
I'd probably want to get cushy new seats though... Cessna seats have always bugged me. I'd also probably want to mod the panel or at least upgrade what's there. After flying planes with crappy and nice nav/com setups, I think the good ones are worth having.
I also killed a cheap ADI doing an aileron roll, so a good ADI is a must for me :)
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Looks sharp, Habu. :aok
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awesome :)
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Awesome !
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Habu,
Seeing your plane brought back some very old but pleasant memories...
My very first flight was in the right seat of a 1958 Skylane just like yours!
That first flight made such an impression, that I soon got a job at the local airport cutting grass and pumping avgas in exchange for flight lessons.
Two summers later I had my own ticket in my pocket, and a hugh smile on my face!
N2103G is still painted in it's original paint and colors (shades of tan and brown) in the same scheme as yours.
My friend still owns it, and has always kept it hangared, so it still looks great in the original paint and interior fabric.
Like you, all he has changed are things that have worn out, and parts of the panel. Although he has tried to keep it as original as possible, it is getting very hard to find original vacuum instruments, so he has been forced to "upgrade" upon occasion.
I don't know what avionics it came from the factory with, but when he bought it in the 'mid-60s it had a Narco "Omnigator Mk2" and a Mk 12 Nav/Com in the panel.
If I recall, around 1978 I followed him in another plane to a larger local field for it's annual, and while there he had the avionics replaced with newer dual Narco 720 channel Nav/Coms, a new omni head, an audio panel, and an altitude encoding transponder.
To me, there is nothing that looks quite as good as that fastback and square-tail design.
I'm sure you and your bird will be the cause for many envious glances when she is all decked out in her new/old finery.
Good Luck and Good Flying!
CptA
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That is great CptA.
I still have the instruments I have replaced. I will make a list one day. They were hot in their day but just heavy and not very useful today.
Next year I will probably put a Garmin Nav Com in with glidescope and that will be the extent of the upgrade. When I do that I will lose the old chart glove box. I really like having that. Great place to store charts and your lunch.
Can you get some pictures of your friends paint to post to me? I would really like to see it. I had a very hard time getting exact paint scheme pictures for mine. I know we took a few minor detail liberties but it is very close to original.
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That looks verra nass Habu :)
(feels an all too familiar tug)
(runs off to look at aircraft for sale)
-GE
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Habu it's absolutely gorgeous!
Kudos' to ya for keeping it as close to original as possible!
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Great decision Habu, it's a beautiful bird.:)
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looks great :aok