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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hobodog on September 20, 2001, 08:58:00 PM
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I sure think so he expressed the complet will of all americans. A great speach. Very emotional and patriotic and it showed that this man has TRUE LEADERSHIP. And THANK THE LORD THAT THIS MAN IS OUR PRESIDENT....i can only imagine that other man.....
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Heh...u mean Clinton...I'd rather have him than Bush to tell you the truth....
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The speach was alright. One of his better performances. Public speaking has never been Bush's strong point though.
As to the other comment. If you want to fool yourself and congratulate yourself on who you voted for by insinuating that some nightmare would be unfolding if the other guy had won, fine. Just don't expect that it has any bearing in reality. If Gore was President we would all be rallying around him and it is nigh certain that this theoretical Gore administration would be doing things very similarly to what the Bush administration is doing.
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I have seen a short summary of the speech of President Bush this morning on German TV at 8am (It was held at 3am german time).
I agree with the analysis of German TV that the speech was average, because "Bush told everything which was expected but he didnt say anything unexpected or innovative".
The important thing is, that Bush is successfully raising the morale of the US-Americans. And here he does a good job.
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I thought it was a pretty good speech really. I was stuck away from a TV and heard it all over the radio instead. I just finished watching the video of it a few minutes ago and wow... It's amazing how much better it was without cameras cutting to say, Orin Hatch wiping his nose on the sleeve of his suit etc.
I can see how some people may say that Bush didn't say anything new or innovative... but ya gotta remember that up to this point we've never actually heard him state his intentions to the extent that he did tonight. Clinton woulda given a better speech I think. But from Bush I really just wanted him to tell us what he was prepared to *do* about this toejam... And he said everything I wanted to hear.
[ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: Nash ]
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Well... he gave the first part of the ultimatum but didn't he leave out the "or else" part?
Never mind... he got to that later... "share their fate..."
[ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: Sandman_SBM ]
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The speech good one. It did what it was suppose to do...let our foe know beyond a doubt where we stand and bring the American people and our allies togather. This could be something that will be replayed much like FDR's speech IF history plays out in our hand...
xBAT
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"I agree with the analysis of German TV that the speech was average, because "Bush told everything which was expected but he didnt say anything unexpected or innovative".
Kinda like Roosevelt when he addressed Congress on December 11th, 1941. He gave inspiration to the Senate floor, and to Americans. Bush did the same thing. This speech, mark my words, will go down in history as those of Churchill and Roosevelt in their times of crisis.
[ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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After the speech Peter Jennings asked "Stormin Norm" what his impression was.
Norm replied that first he didn't draw a line in the sand, he bulldozed a bloody huge trench. Next, he let the public and the armed forces know exactly what they are in for. Which is exactly what the Military needed to hear.
Great speech
Nuff said
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A well written speech, and Bush did a good job of delivering it.
I think it might have been better politics to draw the line between "free nations" and terrorists, rather than "us" and terrorists. It would be much easier for some governments to align themselves with "freedom", than it will be for them to align with the USA.
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CLINTON!?
Clinton would have said "I feel your pain" about a dozen times then give Bin-laden all of our military secrets while screwing a camel.
Sorry if we are going to war I would rather have the Death Penalty President then the Lying Pimp President
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Impressive, historical speech. Couldn't have been much better in my opinion. It was limited in scope, but it hit the target. We see Bush's genuine toughness and empathy for people, and the level of his personal commitment to fighting terrorism. This guy is genuinely tough inside. He displayed leadership too, which helped convince some who had reservations about his ability to lead.
(I had to chuckle everytime the camera cut away to Hillary Clinton, who had a very bored, disgusted and cynical look on her face. I don't think that will win her any support from New Yorkers, or anybody else for that matter.)
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Originally posted by Karnak:
The speach was alright. One of his better performances. Public speaking has never been Bush's strong point though.
As to the other comment. If you want to fool yourself and congratulate yourself on who you voted for by insinuating that some nightmare would be unfolding if the other guy had won, fine. Just don't expect that it has any bearing in reality. If Gore was President we would all be rallying around him and it is nigh certain that this theoretical Gore administration would be doing things very similarly to what the Bush administration is doing.
There is a difference! With Gore and Clinton you have a WIMP and a PIMP, with Bush you have a Patriot, something this country hasn't had enough of in years.
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This speech, mark my words, will go down in infamy the same as those of Churchill and Roosevelt in their times of crisis.
Infamy? Are you sure? ;)
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doh, need more coffee, should have read "history".
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Well, purely from the vacabulary point, it was very plain, more then likely because audience shouldn't be distacted when he mispronounces few words :)
I'm not sure who wrote a darn thing for him, but last i checked sentences like "and you know what ? " were not a part of a proper speaking, at least on this level.
I heard it on the radio, and then watched it. They shouldn't have televised. Stupid smirk on his face still makes him look like a kid who just broke something and thinks he's getting away with it. He's doing much better job trying to stop it now, but it still isn't all gone.
Overall, average speach. Plain, so called patriotic, some nice marching propaganda thrown in for good measure.
On a side note, it's quite amazing how many people here use the time of crisis for taking cheap shots at previous adminitration. And those are also the same people who call themselves partiots and rejoice on the renewed unity of this nation. Grow up folks.
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Gore would be saying, " let's all just get along....... they didn't really mean it."
Bush simply said, "hey, you pissed me off, now I'm gonna kick your ass!"
Great speach.
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did anyone else notice the shot of Hillary rolling her eyes and looking disgusted??? LOL I wish like hell I had been taping the whole speech. I think she wore her true emotions at that instant...and in front of the world no less...LOL
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fd ski, you need to grow up. Bush is a human, not a robot. If you want to pick on him because he's not a gifted speaker, then you need to be able to accept all the crap that's going to come flying at Clinton and how screwed up he left this country, morally, the condition of the military, the healthcare crisis, etc. Clinton was a great speaker, Dubya isn't. I bet you could get in front of the country and rally us behind you much better.
You need to rethink things before you make a stupid post like that.
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"use the time of crisis for taking cheap shots at previous adminitration."
...and then there's those that use the time of crisis for taking cheap shots and nit-picking the present administration.
Amazing, isn't it?
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Greese, did you read the topic? Does it invite disussion, or only "patriotic" agreement?
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Popeye, I did read the topic. And I posted my part in the discussion. :rolleyes:
If you want to know what I feel about the speech, I like it's content. I agree that there has been a BIG line drawn in the sand. It will be interesting to see what happens. I cannot tell you what is going to happen, but I feel, after hearing this speech, that the US is not going to stop until they have the baddie this time.
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Fdski,
I'm quickly losing all respect I had for you :(
U
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Toad, i didn't think speach was particularly special, just average. That makes it nitpicking ?
I just think he should change the speach writer :) As for the essence of what was said, i agree.
trust me, there would be way more if i wanted to nitpick :)
I'll try to muster more flag waving enthusiasm next time :D
Udie, i'm sorry for not having same opinions as you :) Before my post there are at least 4 "straight in the face/cheap shots" at ex president, whom you might not like, but you should tolerate out of the respect for the office, just like i tolerate Bush, i might not love him, but in this time of crisis, i support him. Face it, Clinton was an ELECTED president. If you are so partiotic and feel so strongly about democracy, you should resepct the process and let it be :D
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Everyone that majored in political science, minored it or just even took a course or two in it raise your hand.
I for one know I'm not qualified to say what makes a good political speech vs. an average one. :p
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Face it, Bush WON the election! I also think a few people are pissed right now cuz Clinton had the chance to get Bin Laden while he was president, but chose not to....He knew that getting Bin Laden would ruffle a few feathers in the middle east. he wanted to keep the people thinking that he somehow kept the world in harmony, but he just left a mess for Bush to clean up. I never had a problem with Clinton while he was in office..... I just have a problem with the way he left it.
NOW BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC!
Good speach! :D
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Yep
I'm not a political major but I thought it was a great speech, I felt it in my gut, which will go down in history as a course changer for America. I am glad Bush delivered it as well as he did but would be standing behind whoever the President happened to be if things/time were different. If the same thoughts/ideals were expressed by a President of the US last night with the last name Gore or Clinton, I would stand by and support their courage and the courage of our military as I do our current President Bush.
Now is not the time for division among ourselves, it is time for unity against the evil of terrorism. There are two enemies in America's new war, ourselves and the terrorists. Both of those battles will be easier to win if we all stick together.
<S> all Americans and our Global Allies
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AMEN
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It would have been a better speech had they not panned around, especially to Hillary Clinton. The look on her face, the half made attempt to clp, the rolloing eyes,...well, it was very distracting (translated: I was getting really pissed off).
Overall,...hmmm,...(1-10)
The Speech: 8
The Delivery: 6.5
To me, he really did not say anything that had not been said since the tragedy, but he did put it into one speech, rather than the tidbits that have been thrown at us.
Words are one thing, now lets see what happens when it comes to the acting on those words.
Oh, anyone catch Comedy Central's Daily Show last night? I was never a big fan of Mr. Steward(?), but I found a whole mess of respect for him as a person last night.
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Wonderful speech... too bad some of you didn’t listen. He asked about a dozen times for unity between Liberal and Conservative.
Well I see that lasted less than one day.
Mighty1 wrote:Clinton would have said "I feel your pain" about a dozen times then give Bin-laden all of our military secrets while screwing a camel.
What President Clinton DID do is give the country 8 years of peace and prosperity. Lowest crime and abortion rate in 30 years. Got rid of a real deal nazi in south central Europe without a single combat casualty.
from hottrod: There is a difference! With Gore and Clinton you have a WIMP and a PIMP, with Bush you have a Patriot, something this country hasn't had enough of in years
Oh lets ask Slobo.
Bart wrote: I'm not sure who wrote a darn thing for him, but last i checked sentences like "and you know what ? " were not a part of a proper speaking, at least on this level
First two were written by Karen Hughes... Last nights by Peggy Nonan. All the “and you know whats” he throws in.
And then my friend Natedog wrote: Face it, Bush WON the election!
Um... with a lil help from the Supreme court. Let me try to understand their unsigned decision. It would violate Bush’s Constutional rights if there was a MANUAL recount because he might loose.. Then they said, oh... you can have the MANUAL recount.. but there ain’t no time left... They also said.. and get this.. not to use this case as a precedent for future cases. Swell.
Counting un postmarked un signed overseas military ballots AFTER the election?... not a problem.
Gore would be saying, " let's all just get along....... they didn't really mean it."
Bush simply said, "hey, you pissed me off, now I'm gonna kick your ass!"
Great speach
Or he might have accepted the 3 year $25m Hart/Rudman study on terrorism rather than shoving it to the back burner for “further study”.
The tax cut and 300$ advance were nice, but... I’d rather pay taxes on the 35k job I “HAD”.
10Bears
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
CLINTON!?
Clinton would have said "I feel your pain" about a dozen times then give Bin-laden all of our military secrets while screwing a camel.
Sorry if we are going to war I would rather have the Death Penalty President then the Lying Pimp President
Right... speculating on what Clinton may or may not have done in the same situation is as silly as arguing over who would win a fight between Superman and Spiderman.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
Right... speculating on what Clinton may or may not have done in the same situation is as silly as arguing over who would win a fight between Superman and Spiderman.
Spiderman of course with alittle help from a pile of Kryptonite :)
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Right bush with a nice pretty pile of sluts.....
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*sigh*
Anyway, name-calling aside...
The line that impressed me most was this: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists."
Great use of subtlety there. The meaning is quite different from saying, "Either you are with us or against us."
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You'r wrong Eagler....Superman in a landslide!
:D
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I understand why the newsweenies are looking for a performance artist. It sells advertising. But what the hell do we care. If the President had just stuttered out. "We are going to kick their ass. And we aint gonna quit until we do". That would have been enough for me.
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Communication skills are one of the keys to good leadership.
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Originally posted by Hobodog:
I sure think so he expressed the complet will of all americans. A great speach. Very emotional and patriotic and it showed that this man has TRUE LEADERSHIP. And THANK THE LORD THAT THIS MAN IS OUR PRESIDENT....i can only imagine that other man.....
Not this American. Bush's decision to make defeating terrorism the focus of his administration has only highlighted his inadequacies as a leader.
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Ouch. Can't say I like Bush or even voted for him, but he is the president and I doubt very seriously if Gore would have been any better in the current situation.
The task at hand is a difficult one and it was not considered a key issue during the elections.
We are where we are and I support the president and his chosen cabinet. I trust that they will get us through this.
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I, for one, wasn't saying that Gore would be better in this situation.
I was just pointing out that none of you rabid conservatives really know how a Gore administration would be dealing with this situations. It might make you feel better to think that it would be dropping the ball big time, but that is just a fantasy to make yourself feel better/superior.
I would also reccomend expanding your view of patriotism if you think that Bush is patriotic and Gore is not. Patriotism is more complex than that.
George W. Bush is the President and I don't know what posseses you guys to use this event to take pot shots at the other side.
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Originally posted by NATEDOG:
Gore would be saying, " let's all just get along....... they didn't really mean it."
Bush simply said, "hey, you pissed me off, now I'm gonna kick your ass!"
Great speach.
lol no kiddin.....
GORE: mmmkay everybody, now understand the 'freedomly-challenged' al qaida are goin through a tough time right now and they have some issues.
they have done some real mean stuff but i sent them a few emails with the red exclamation mark selected, saying we should talk. i expect to hear back any day now.
soon we will probably realize that white republican males hurt their feelings one time and that's the root of all of this. it's not their fault. they are victims and just need love.
let's all meet at cantara's and journal through some rage over cafe americanos.
then we'll catch the life empowering drum circle together out at the beach and really share our feelings.....everybody! kumbayaaaa m'lord....
what a load that would be! i don't know about you all, but this hippy is sharpening his roach clip and getting ready for the worst. at least we have a leader with some balls. :)
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Fd-Ski:
When they open a History Book 100 years from now there will be a long list of US Presidents. Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush will be names people will take note of.
There will be long paragraphs detailing their lives, their roles in history, etc.
Your boy, Slick-Willie Clinton, will be just a footnote. Another Millard Fillmore-type President with a brief "Born-Died" line after his name.
Some men make history, and history sometimes makes men. And some men just party and ride the rockin' chair of Good Times and disappear into oblivion......
Cabby
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Solemly depends on who writes the book Cabby.
"Your slick Willie" ? Well, i'm pretty sure that my Slick Willie will never be a president, you can't vote for a noodle, you'd have to vote for me. Interested ?
:D
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
Ouch. Can't say I like Bush or even voted for him, but he is the president and I doubt very seriously if Gore would have been any better in the current situation.
The task at hand is a difficult one and it was not considered a key issue during the elections.
We are where we are and I support the president and his chosen cabinet. I trust that they will get us through this.
Sadly, I believe you may be right... perhaps he is showing good leadership, but it seems to me he's just urging us along. He certainly doesn't need to lead us where we're going, he just has to carry a stick and walk in front. I don't know if anyone could do better though. I certainly hope so. Because the way things are going don't look good, and won't contribute much in the long run.
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"Bush's decision to make defeating terrorism the focus of his administration has only highlighted his inadequacies as a leader."
Do tell Ispar.
What should be the "focus of his administration"?
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Bush Sr. had an approval rating of about 90% during the Gulf War, and he still lost to Clinton. Clinton was pres. of the US for two terms. My poli-sci prof. (from San Fransico) said presidents win elections on foriegn policy and lose them on domestic.
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I see people posting about words here. I think the more important thing is actions. The actions taken since Tuesday have been rapid and aggressive. They were intended to stop terrorist acts in the immediate time frame and start the long term prohibition in motion.
FAA, Law Enforcement and Military went into action in the space of not days but minutes. I am not just talking about the New York response but around the nation. Thiose actions were taken in response to a Presidential directive. Further responses to include keying the American population as to what is going on and what the Govt. is doing about it is also the job of the President. I think he did a good job. Any who have studied war in the last century know that you must mobilize the population to support that effort. That was a job Kennedy and Johnson (especially Johnson) never got started. After Johnson lost the war he fobbed the job off to a successor and went to hide. It fell to Nixon to finish the damn thing after it was unwinnable on the home front, not the battlie line. Bush has made a great start in getting the country mobilized and he has done it without sugar coating or trivializing it. He knows it will likely be a long ard fight and he has let the nation know it too. In this case forwarned IS forarmed and the population of this country deserve to now the situation from the outset.
As to who was or is the best Presidential material??? I don't give a toejam people!!! I am tired of the talk here about hypothetical situations that don't mean jack! We have a real situation so deal with that and forget the extraneous roadkill. Go back to the useless ramblings after the world is settled and there are no important things to do.
Mav
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Couldn't stand to read this all, sorry. The AH crowd can get a bit anal. (Understatment of the decade)
Anyway, Bush kicked ass. Stopped hockey crowds who cheered his speech. That's gotta be a first.
I was picking up food in a sports bar, people were glued, as was I.
The man defined a leader, and he's supposed to be a bad public speaker?
Makes me think in times of serious delivery, the guy shines. Beats the toejam out of being rusty in the slick bellybutton political run of the mill speech normalcy.
Give that cowboy a hat, I'm impressed. Looks like farming that Texas land served a hardened American resolve personality of sorts to fall back on.
I’m behind Bush and our country.
Pick him apart as you will, he delivered in spades.
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Nifty asked who here was a political science major. Well I majored in it and as a result I got usual dosage of political speech and rhetoric. I watched the President's speech twice that night, just to be certain about my initial reaction. I tell you that Ripsnort has it nailed. That speech will be quoted for as long as there is an America. I was moved near tears more than once during the course of the speech and based on my exposure to political science, I think it was the finest speech I've heard a President give in my lifetime. Outstanding. So many of you selling the President short. Well he became President being sold short, I reckon that if the enemy undetestimates him as well, we can capitalize on that...
Crapgame
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Originally posted by Thrawn:
Bush Sr. had an approval rating of about 90% during the Gulf War, and he still lost to Clinton. Clinton was pres. of the US for two terms. My poli-sci prof. (from San Fransico) said presidents win elections on foriegn policy and lose them on domestic.
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Bush Sr lost because he didn't draw out the war and invade Iraq. That would have keep the dumocrats from running up the spending here at home which caused him to eat his words"no new taxes" to cover their expense which they then so skillfully turned against him during the campaign thus the beginning of the worst 8 years of America's political history in recent time. But thanks for playing Thrawn, please come again...
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Take most things,cept mrfish :), from San Fran with a grain of salt...