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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on September 26, 2005, 08:13:58 PM
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Perhaps I'm being too cynical. Yet it appears to me that the terrorist strategy is beginning to bear fruit.
They know their enemy well. It isn't important or necessary for them to defeat our military, even if that were possible.
All they have to do is defeat our mothers.
What are your thoughts on the matter?
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Perhaps I'm being too cynical. Yet it appears to me that the terrorist strategy is beginning to bear fruit.
They know their enemy well. It isn't important or necessary for them to defeat our military, even if that were possible.
All they have to do is defeat our mothers.
What are your thoughts on the matter?
Yup one of the joys of free speech. Your enemy can come on your soil, go to a college campus, have a ralley, and defeat you from within. Wouldnt have it any other way though.
edit:
Oops don't forget about our darling media. Every peice of sensationalized doom and gloom helps as well.
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They're using the tools we've made available to them to good effect.
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Of course, the media wouldn't have had such an easy time of it if Hussein was half the threat he was portrayed to be.
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Sooo...is it ok for Saddam to massacre hundreds of thousands of his own people as long as he leaves us alone?
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It is... unless you've got $200 Billion burning a hole in your pocket. ;)
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Keep in mind - Stalin killed millions of his own people, as did Pol Pot. Key is - THEIR own people. Somehow we're ok with that.
Hitler - well...he killed everyone not just his own. Stupid man I guess...
Its odd - I remember a thing by Eddie Izzard saying something to the effect "we don't really know how to cope with those #'s. Some guy kills 5 people, you give him 5 life sentences. Another kills 15, you stick him in a room under observation." Once you reach the 100,000 level you almost cheering "good job ol boy, hellova accomplishment. You must get up really early in the morning. Lets see...today...death, death, death, death, lunch, death, death, death." So the dude lives under house arrest for the rest of his life. Just don't go inside of that ****ing house."
Same will come of saddam in some seaside resort. Just hope he gets the anal train with a sign on his door saying "please disturb".
Rant concluded.
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Im not deterred. I do worry about all the weak sisters though, but I think we can skull bash them into coming along this next bit.
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Originally posted by VOR
They're using the tools we've made available to them to good effect.
Well, we don't want to take away their freedom of choice now do we?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Well, we don't want to take away their freedom of choice now do we?
nor do we want to take away ours
Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
TJ
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Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
Ben Franklin.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
There's a few versions around but all of them are attributed to Franklin afaik.
Just sayin'.
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We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
~Edward R. Murrow
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"oops"
-Gunslinger AH BBS
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w00t! a 3 for 1
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This was already predictable way before the Iraq war, because it didn't have a solid support even with the lies which led to the invasion.
Worse yet, there was no solid plans after the war, or at least rather naive, which didn't take into count certain obvious things.
So is it supposed to be a surprise if people wants to pull back from Iraq?
I objected to invading Iraq with the reasons that Bush gave for the war, but now that Bush has got it done his way, the american troops also better stay there until Iraqis have a solid government, which can't be overthrown in a week by warlords and fundamentalists.
Otherwise it'll become an Afganistan II.
There was hardly any terrorists in pre-war Iraq, but if the Iraqi government falls, it'll be full of Al Qaedas and what not - all thanks to Bush.
Now if ever is the time to protect the world peace by succesfully cleaning up the mess that Bush has left behind.
Otherwise the world will loose even the small bit of confidence left on the USA.
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fishu.. one minor correction.... so far as the people in iraq were concerned.... the entire sadman regiem was terrorists.
we gambled with 200 billion like sandie said... only time will tell if the investmet pays off (100's of thousands of people people murdered by the sadman a year asside)...
If the example and the effort help to break the grip of these madmen that run these oil rich countries then.... financialy and humanitarian wise... it will have been the best thing we have ever done.
lazs
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Make a law making it illegal to buy middle east oil
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Originally posted by lazs2
fishu.. one minor correction.... so far as the people in iraq were concerned.... the entire sadman regiem was terrorists.
A minor correction.. dictatorship
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fishu, who would win a war between the USA and the world?
When it comes time to pick sides make sure you are on the winning team.
Back to shuckins original post:
shuckins dont be a wuss. remember when teh ghey mikey moore came out with his ghey euro inspired hate america faranlies 9/11....same thing.
Dont sweat it.
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Originally posted by Yeager
fishu, who would win a war between the USA and the world?
When it comes time to pick sides make sure you are on the winning team.
Huh? What do you mean?
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I was piqued by your comment:
"Otherwise the world will loose even the small bit of confidence left on the USA."
Meaning to say that myself and plenty of other americans feel that the free world, or whats left of it, owed us bigtime and when we really needed support most of the world abandoned us.....making our lives much much more difficult and problematic.
I dont care nearly as much as I used to about what the rest "world" thinks anymore. They have already shown their true colors. In my mind anyway.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Meaning to say that myself and plenty of other americans feel that the free world, or whats left of it, owed us bigtime and when we really needed support most of the world abandoned us.....making our lives much much more difficult and problematic.
what a load of bs.
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Kneel down and pray to allah~! God is Great!
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Originally posted by Yeager
fishu, who would win a war between the USA and the world?
Between the USA and the rest of the entire world?
I don't like our chances.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Meaning to say that myself and plenty of other americans feel that the free world, or whats left of it, owed us bigtime and when we really needed support most of the world abandoned us.....making our lives much much more difficult and problematic.
Abandoned you when starting a war based on lies, which is the only reason for difficulties.
You're either totally ignorant or a troll.
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Come on... Everyone knows that it's French arrogance and British cooking that has kept the entire world from speaking German, Russian, or Arabic for the last century...
America has never had any impact on containing groups who intend to take over the world or kill everyone who prays to a different god.
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Originally posted by Yeager
fishu, who would win a war between the USA and the world?
./B]
If your talking about can the US blow up more people than the rest of the world, probably.
If you are talking about the big picture, the US would lose the war.
Its laughable that this is even put forth.
shamus
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I am using a newly discovered technique referred to as "overt subliminal quasi suggestive anti rehotical double speak" to provoke thought in the minds of those with dead brains....:p
I am putting no fourth I can attest to this, it is the will of Allah that compells me to confront the hifidels.......
trolls hid under bridges, I am most certainly not under a bridge, (but I am hiding....................... .from TROLLS).
We have the Doomsday Bomp, I can vouch for this. Dr Strangelove is sitting in the cubical just on the other side of me.
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Dang..why didnt I think of that? :)
shamus
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Originally posted by Fishu
...because it didn't have a solid support even with the lies which led to the invasion..
One can be wrong without being a liar.
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Originally posted by eagl
Come on... Everyone knows that it's French arrogance and British cooking that has kept the entire world from speaking German, Russian, or Arabic for the last century...
America has never had any impact on containing groups who intend to take over the world or kill everyone who prays to a different god.
If you're not trolling, please, leave the sarcasm aside.
World War II has absolutely nothing to do with the current war in Iraq.
WWII does not make it any more right to act wrongly in the future than it was to kill people in the name of fascism.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Abandoned you when starting a war based on lies, which is the only reason for difficulties.
You're either totally ignorant or a troll.
Come off the lies garbage. Show me one credible piece of intelligence that stated Hussein 'did not' have wmd before the war. I'm so tired of this 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' attitude.
If we had done nothing and AQ had set off a chemical/biological attack in London and it was traced to Iraq you socialist, KGB indoctrinated peaceniks would be calling for Bush's head.
Like I said about Katrina. I'd rather have leaders who will do something and worry about the consequences latter that to sit around with their thumbs stuck where they don't belong and excuse themselves when things go badly.
You want to talk about the difficulties? 8 years of doing nothing after attack after attack. Of course the terrorist think they can win. It's been working since the 1950s because the west has never has had the stomach to deal with it. I'm sorry you won't like this but it means destroying the culture that breeds them and the countries that support them. This will not be done until a nuclear device is detonated somewhere in the west. IMO, Europe will be a more likely target than the US because it will be easier for them.
I am also so tired of this 'holier than thou' Euro attitude. That all the problems of the world are caused by the US. It's all propaganda spewed out by your press and governments so you will not focus on the sad state of affairs in your own lands. We have a natural disaster and we get beat-up in the Euro press. How very humane of you. You didn't see us beating France up last summer when they 'let' 10,000 old people die in the heat when all they needed was a $50.00 air conditioner, did you?
It's not just Europe either. We have far to many indoctrinated id10ts in this country as well. They will put their political consideration above all else no matter what or whom it hurts.
Rant over...
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Originally posted by Fishu
If you're not trolling, please, leave the sarcasm aside.
World War II has absolutely nothing to do with the current war in Iraq.
WWII does not make it any more right to act wrongly in the future than it was to kill people in the name of fascism.
Like I've said before.
In the fight against Nazism/Fascism you were with us.
In the struggle against Communism you were not.
In this fight against Islamic Terrorism, where are you?
(you in the general sense, not in the 1st person)
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Like I've said before.
In the fight against Nazism/Fascism you were with us.
In the struggle against Communism you were not.
In this fight against Islamic Terrorism, where are you?
(you in the general sense, not in the 1st person)
Ewh.. now you made a big mistake.
In the fight against Nazism/Fascism we were defending our homeland from the spread of Communism, who were allied with you
In the struggle against Communism, where were you?
In this fight against Islamic Terrorism we are not willing to approve attack on countries whos clearly harboring far less terrorists than Saudi Arabia, your middle east allie.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Come off the lies garbage. Show me one credible piece of intelligence that stated Hussein 'did not' have wmd before the war. I'm so tired of this 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' attitude.
If we had done nothing and AQ had set off a chemical/biological attack in London and it was traced to Iraq you socialist, KGB indoctrinated peaceniks would be calling for Bush's head.
Bin Laden, the lead figure of AQ, hated Saddam.
Guess why... Saddam was faaar from being an ideal muslim.
All those several claimed terrorist training camps were not to be found in Iraq, which was one reason for the war (not just the WMD, mind you)
They actually did find something related to terrorist camps, but they also found out it was being negotiated by one of Saddams generals, unknown to Saddam.
Ask any profiler, whos done his homework about Saddam, would he really have done all the things claimed by Bush.
He might been a dictator, but that doesnt make the person stupid.
Also... being a president doesn't necessarily make the person any more credible than a dictator.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Bin Laden, the lead figure of AQ, hated Saddam.
Guess why... Saddam was faaar from being an ideal muslim.
All those several claimed terrorist training camps were not to be found in Iraq, which was one reason for the war (not just the WMD, mind you)
They actually did find something related to terrorist camps, but they also found out it was being negotiated by one of Saddams generals, unknown to Saddam.
Ask any profiler, whos done his homework about Saddam, would he really have done all the things claimed by Bush.
He might been a dictator, but that doesnt make the person stupid.
Also... being a president doesn't necessarily make the person any more credible than a dictator.
I think much of what went on in Iraq was done without Saddam's knowledge. I truly thing the man thought he had the weapons. The man was stupid, and a bit senile too.
Why would this guy continue to defy the world when he was told what the consequences would be?
The only 'claim' that was not validated was that he had WMD. The rest he is going on trial for.
As far as UBL and Saddam. True they were ideologically separated. But so were Churchill and Stalin. "Enemy of my Enemy" there Junior. This has been going on throughout the course of human history. No reason to think it's changed now.
Also, get your facts straight. Or as we say in the US. "Stop drinking the cool aid!"
April 7, 2003, 12:48AM
Marines find site of terror training
Non-Iraqis tell troops of camp
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/1855357
(the Houston Chronicle is far from a conservative paper)
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Originally posted by Fishu
Ewh.. now you made a big mistake.
In the fight against Nazism/Fascism we were defending our homeland from the spread of Communism, who were allied with you
In the struggle against Communism, where were you?
In this fight against Islamic Terrorism we are not willing to approve attack on countries whos clearly harboring far less terrorists than Saudi Arabia, your middle east allie.
I'm still wondering when was the US allied with Nazism/Fascism?
Now the US didn't fight the cold war for 50+ years? Oh and when we do send the CIA to help overturn a pro-communist govt we are now BAD, and considered imperialist???????? Lets face is your argument is weak and based on hatred not fact.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I'm still wondering when was the US allied with Nazism/Fascism?
Lets face is your argument is weak and based on hatred not fact.
Allied with the communists, perhaps?
If my argument is based on hatred (yeah right..), then what is your arguments based on? hatred on europeans eh?
Would you mind to look up where I live and what was our history in the WWII and after....
We fought two real wars against the communism.
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death toll (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:s3D8WmHTREEJ:reports.iraqbodycount.org/a_dossier_of_civilian_casualties_2003-2005.pdf+current+death+toll+in+iraq+2005&hl=en)
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
death toll (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:s3D8WmHTREEJ:reports.iraqbodycount.org/a_dossier_of_civilian_casualties_2003-2005.pdf+current+death+toll+in+iraq+2005&hl=en)
Did you mean this? (http://reports.iraqbodycount.org/a_dossier_of_civilian_casualties_2003-2005.pdf) ?
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Perhaps I'm being too cynical. Yet it appears to me that the terrorist strategy is beginning to bear fruit.
They know their enemy well. It isn't important or necessary for them to defeat our military, even if that were possible.
All they have to do is defeat our mothers.
What are your thoughts on the matter?
Thoughts? Yeah, I got one or two of those.
Get out of Iraq. Now.
It coulda been all dandy. It can't now.
No use another dying for mistakes made 3 years ago.
Just pack it in.
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Originally posted by ****
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
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Originally posted by Nash
Thoughts? Yeah, I got one or two of those.
Get out of Iraq. Now.
It coulda been all dandy. It can't now.
No use another dying for mistakes made 3 years ago.
Just pack it in.
Sure, get out....
I say we finish the job, and that's exactly what we are going to do.
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Originally posted by Lazerus
Was that a weird form of mea culpa?
A squeaky inaudible something?
What happened to the all-caps bravado of a year ago?
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Originally posted by Godzilla
Sure, get out....
I say we finish the job, and that's exactly what we are going to do.
Sad thing is - you're prolly as smart as the dudes got into this mess.
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Iraq and Saddam got themselves into this "mess"
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*smooch*
Hand me your glasses, blossom. I just gotta know what it feels like to be you.
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Nash, you have a very limited understanding of, well, almost everything.
The US is not going to back out of Iraq.
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Geeze Godzilla, that hurts. You're so abrasive.
Pretend that you are the White House's (liar) spokesman...
What's gonna be your excuse when it happens? Whattya gonna say?
I'm barely interested in that, actually. I'm fascinated by the paradigm shifts. Like when your Disneyland world pauses, reflects, and in a guilt-ridden act of shame and acceptance, decides to off itself. To call in markers from the surrounding black holes and get sucked out in a blaze of glory Pirates of the Caribbean theme park accident.
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Originally posted by Godzilla
Iraq and Saddam got themselves into this "mess"
As I recall it was Bush who got Saddam messed up with the made up accusations of WMD, terrorist harbouring, yadda yadda yadda... making him look even worse for the world peace than Bin Laden.
Apparently alot of americans now agrees with it, that they were lied.
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Originally posted by Nash
Geeze Godzilla, that hurts. You're so abrasive.
Pretend that you are the White House's (liar) spokesman...
What's gonna be your excuse when it happens? Whattya gonna say?
I'm barely interested in that, actually. I'm fascinated by the paradigm shifts. Like when your Disneyland world pauses, reflects, and in a guilt-ridden act of shame and acceptance, decides to off itself. To call in markers from the surrounding black holes and get sucked out in a blaze of glory Pirates of the Caribbean theme park accident.
Must be a code or something...
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Yeah...
Must be.
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Ever tried a football bat?
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Originally posted by Godzilla
Nash, you have a very limited understanding of, well, almost everything.
The US is not going to back out of Iraq.
Sure we will. We just won't do it as long as Bush is in office. I also doubt that someone will step up and make the Iraqi pullout a 2008 election issue, but you can be certain that it will come up in 2012.
Yes, I believe we'll still be there six years from now.
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Not to bring up the obvious point but someone needs to mention it before I fall back asleep. None of us would be here if the pullout method ever worked - didn't for our parents, their parents before them, or any of the more entertaining citizens we see frequenting Jerry Springer.
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Originally posted by Fishu
As I recall it was Bush who got Saddam messed up with the made up accusations of WMD, terrorist harbouring, yadda yadda yadda... making him look even worse for the world peace than Bin Laden.
Apparently alot of americans now agrees with it, that they were lied.
You choose not to recall everything that has been published that proves that statement wrong. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
Lots of Americans believe that they were lied to, yes. Lots of Americans believe that Clinton was railroaded for having sex, that Hillary had nothing to do with 'misplaced' documents that turned up the day after the statute of limitations ran out on the crime she was accused of, that Presidential pardons handed out at the end of BC's term weren't linked to campaign contributions, and that the wisdom of the New Deal is only surpassed by the brilliance of LBJ's 'social reforms'. Funny thing is, they seem to always be the same people.
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Sorry guys...getting back to this topic a little late. Been away on a business trip.
Remember Nash...always eschew obfuscation....or ya can't play with the big boys.
:D
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Originally posted by Lazerus
You choose not to recall everything that has been published that proves that statement wrong. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
I can also recall many published things taking back the previously published evidence.
It was well printed on the papers when shells buried into ground were found and apparently seemed to be leaking - gas, aka WMD, shells!
That was big news for couple of days, until they found out the shells were dug into the ground several years ago and the shells didn't have gas in them.
Do you mean that kind of proofs? Proofs printed on newspapers before something actually was proven?
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Originally posted by Fishu
As I recall it was Bush who got Saddam messed up with the made up accusations of WMD, terrorist harbouring, yadda yadda yadda... making him look even worse for the world peace than Bin Laden.
No, I mean your choice to form this fallacious opinion based on what you glean from the evidence available to the free world. But I won't try to argue my position. It is obvious that facts or logic will not sway your opinion. I just wanted to yet again make clear that no matter how many times those accusations are made, they will still be false. But you are free to form that opinion and express it as often as you choose, at least over here you are.
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Originally posted by Lazerus
No, I mean your choice to form this fallacious opinion based on what you glean from the evidence available to the free world.
The free world of the united states provided their people with false evidence.
I do make a difference between evidence and falsified evidence.
Majority of americans back then chose to believe the falsified evidence, which were mainly used as a reason for the war.
Sure there was real evidence too, but the major reasons were mostly falsified. Bush also forgot the main priority, replacing it with an another.. Bin Laden who?
CIA was blamed for bad intelligence.
Exactly WHAT evidence do you mean that I should be following?
I have sort of lost your point.. really don't know what you're after for.
Theres been so much evidence that has afterwards found to be not true....
All this evidence, real and falsified, has been provided to the free world, along with the evidence that proved previous evidence wrong.
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The simple answer is that your position is wrong. I don't have the desire or energy to counter every one of your false statements with links or articles that have already been posted, or to point out your lack of understanding of the priorities of my country. Feel free to continue with your own falsehoods, there are many that believe them as you do.
I have sort of lost your point.. really don't know what you're after for.
My point is that you are presenting falsehoods. I won't call them lies because I think you believe what you are saying. I'm just calling them out.