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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on September 27, 2005, 04:19:07 PM
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Now that is a gorgeous fighter. Very nice job all. It will surely make my favorites list.
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hmmmmmmm it looks like a 109G-6 but with ERLA HAUBE and a lightweight souped up engine!:D
hmmm... muscle plane
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Originally posted by 1K3
hmmmmmmm it looks like a 109G-6 but with ERLA HAUBE
Yes, I noticed that. I'll bet you that is one reason the Bf109G-6 has the older style cockpit armor, to better show the progression of improvements beyond just performance increases.
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The prop looks monstrous.
Maybe just the angle of the pic?
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anyone has the 109G-14 data on climb and speed?
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I think that is just the angle.
I am hoping the G-14 is the 109 that will really work for me. The G-10/K-4 was always heavier than I liked and the G-6 didn't perform as well as I'd like. I am hoping the G-14 will be around the G-6's handling coupled with more power and better cockpit visibility.
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Love the G10 handeling as it is, but G6 does turn a bit better, almost 500 lbs weight difference acording to AH plane stats. Wounder if G14 will be heavier then the G6?
I might stay in the K4 though ;)
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can we test it tonight maybe? :)
test it.. yeah thats it.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Love the G10 handeling as it is, but G6 does turn a bit better, almost 500 lbs weight difference acording to AH plane stats. Wounder if G14 will be heavier then the G6?
I might stay in the K4 though ;)
Only slightly, a G-14 is only a G-6 (that's why it looks just like a G-6) with Water-Methonal injection (similiar in concept to Ami ADI). Any extra weight would come from the MW-50 tank and liquid etc...
All this means is a higher 'WEP' speed / climb (10 on 5 off 26 min total). At all other power settings it should be the same (or very close) as the G-6.
Its a great addition to AH.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Yes, I noticed that. I'll bet you that is one reason the Bf109G-6 has the older style cockpit armor, to better show the progression of improvements beyond just performance increases.
No, the G6 had the old style canopy and it had the clear armor. That was a cool G6 transitional feature between the old armor old canopy of G2-G4 and the new armor new canopy of G14.
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Was that true of all G-6s, or did it change from the G-2/G-4 style, through the intermediate style and end up using the Erla Haube armor in later production G-6s?
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Some G-6 (late models) had the Erla haube.
The progression went from armored head rest - armored glass head rest - Erla haube. All were used on the G-6. The current G-6 in AH is very close to what a G-14 would look like.
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Just to be 100% clear, i not talking about the less framed bubble like canopy but just of the thick clear glass head armor.
Not all G6 had glass armor, but by summer to fall 43 many did and certainly it seems most had it in 44.
What I'm saying is that it was very common on g6 and having it here in ah would further differentiate it from thje g2.
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What about the bumps?
I was under the impression that the G-14s by mid-'44 had been using the new cowls that had covered the bulges completely.
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Nope
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/bf109g-4.jpg)
(http://www.taphilo.com/photo/pictures/BF109/bf-109-G14-replica.jpg)
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With this skin we all can be Erich Hartman
(http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal3/2901-3000/Gal2996_Bf-109_Burkill/03.jpg)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
What about the bumps?
I was under the impression that the G-14s by mid-'44 had been using the new cowls that had covered the bulges completely.
No the G-6/AS and G-14/AS had the new cowling. The standard G-14 didn't, it had the same cowl as the standard G-6.
Check the drawings:
G-14 No. 43 (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/drawings/g14_43/G14_top_43.jpg)
G-14 late (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/drawings/g14_late/G14_top_late.jpg)
G-6/AS
G-6/AS (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/drawings/g6as/G6_AS_top.jpg)
G-14/AS
G-14/AS early (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/drawings/g14as_early/G14_AS_top.jpg)
G-14/AS late (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/drawings/g14as_late/G14_AS_top.jpg)
Some G-10s:
G-10 WNr. 130000 series (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/drawings/g10_130000/g10_top_130000.jpg)
G-10 WNr. 770000 series (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/drawings/g10_770000/G10_top_770000.jpg)
K-4
K-4 (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/drawings/k4/k4_top.jpg)
The rest of drawings can be found here:
109 Lair (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm)
This site is useful to modelers and skinners alike.
Direct link to their forum (be advised there is a lot of pop ups, I use Firefox with adblock so I have no issue, if you don't have a pop-up blocker and hate pop-ups stay away from this link)
109 Lair Forum (http://www.network54.com/Forum/257037)
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Either those drawings are incorrect, or our G14 is incorrect. The drawings and the model and the museum picture show planes with a half-moon bump over the wings, but we have a large swath of raised wing surface (like the K4) instead. I don't think that's accurate.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Either those drawings are incorrect, or our G14 is incorrect. The drawings and the model and the museum picture show planes with a half-moon bump over the wings, but we have a large swath of raised wing surface (like the K4) instead. I don't think that's accurate.
Both of these wheel fairing variations could be found from G-14s.
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well it's odd that every line drawing of G6s, G14s, early and late, the random model kit image, and the random museum image -- in all of those none had the "swath" fairing. All have the "half moon" fairing.
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Both of these wheel fairing variations could be found from G-14s.
Yup, same with the G-10. From the SS they don't look like 3D bulges so whom ever decides to do G-14 skins can change it as they like.
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Incorrect. Look at the screenshot from below. At the leading edge of each wing you can see the bumps for the wheel housings. They are modeled in 3d.
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Try looking at the AH SS (http://www.hitechcreations.com/natedog/g143.jpg)
SS = AH screenshot not picture.
As I said the SS show the wheel fairings are not 3D and whom ever decides to skin a G-14 can chose which fairing type they want just be re-drawing the lines.
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Originally posted by Bruno
Try looking at the AH SS (http://www.hitechcreations.com/natedog/g143.jpg)
SS = AH screenshot not picture.
As I said the SS show the wheel fairings are not 3D and whom ever decides to skin a G-14 can chose which fairing type they want just be re-drawing the lines.
Yes, bruno, try looking at the AH SS. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I said:
Incorrect. Look at the screenshot from below. At the leading edge of each wing you can see the bumps for the wheel housings. They are modeled in 3d.
Perhaps I should have said:
Incorrect. Look at the screenshot posted that shows the angle from below. At the leading edge of each wing you can see the bumps for the wheel housings. They are modeled in 3d.
Regardless, I was clearly talking about the 3D model and the AH screenshots. Sorry if I was unclear.
The bumps are modeled in, not just skinned. That is what I said. You can see them if you look closely.
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The bumps are modelled in, they are in 3D, they can not be changed by skinners.
The bumps in the G10 we have at the moment are modelled in, they can not be changed by skinners.
The bumps on the current G6 are NOT modelled in, they CAN be changed by skinners.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
The bumps are modelled in, they are in 3D, they can not be changed by skinners.
The bumps in the G10 we have at the moment are modelled in, they can not be changed by skinners.
The bumps on the current G6 are NOT modelled in, they CAN be changed by skinners.
yeah I see that now...
Krusty,
Apologies I misread your reply...
I took 'from below' to mean the picture posted above in this thread...
Its not really that big of a deal, all though I would have preferred the standard G-6 wheel bulges (allows more skinning options.
maybe someone should email whoever did the model and ask them to consider a fix, same with the armored head rest of the G-6 (ask for armored glass).
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The Museum picture is of a replica 109G-14.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
The Museum picture is of a replica 109G-14.
You point is? Yes its a replica does that mean its not a 109G14, and from the looks of it its the same as a old G14.
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Either way it makes you say; MMMm mmm bEEEch!
MY Losewaffle senses are tingling.
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anyway with the tons of different upgrade kits available at this time, many 109's were unique planes :)
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I think the normal armor of the G6 will be nice to have. Will make the G6 and G14 differ even more.
Question, was the armor glass the same shape and size as the normal armor?
If yes, it doesn't matter much which one we're gettin view wise thanks to the friendly view settings in AH.
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Wil the G14 will be different because of the erla haube.
What I would want is to differentiate the G6 views from the G2 views, the clear armor would do that.
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My understanding is the G-10 is basicly going to be renamed and have the 20mm cannon option taken off...But I might be wrong ;)
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Yeah I know that Grunherz. But what I wanted to know was the difference between armored glass and normal armor, wether they have the same design look or are differnt. (glass armor is much lower while the normal armor goes up over the head in a bend).
But looking at the G2 now I guess that is how the G6 will look.
TW9, the G10 we have in AH now is a K4 but with a 20mm hub cannon option. The performance should be the same. The difference should only be that it will only have a 30mm hub mounted cannon, the 20mm will no longer be an option. Gondolas should still be an option.
The G14 will be a difference between the G10 and G6. Think it has got a top speed of something like 416mph at around 20k and it should be faster then the G6 down low thanks to MW50 injection.
Add to this that it will weight less then our current G10 and the "new" K4 it should be more nimble, almost like a G6 but faster then a G6.
Gonna be very interesting to fly although I expect to stay in G10 (K4). The G14 will also have the Erla haube (same kind of canopy as the current G6 and G10) and glass armor to the rear (same as we have in G6 and G10 now).
I'm sure someone will step in with some more performance and weight specs of the G14.
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Wilbus,
Yes the G-2 will look similar to the G-6 with armored head rest.
If you are in the the G-2 and look back and see the armor, just replace that with armored glass.
Here's a framed canopy with armored glass.
(http://www2.neweb.ne.jp/wd/canopy/32bf109g-6.jpg)
(http://204.50.25.179/features02/images/bf109g632bg_39.jpg)
Check this page (http://www2.neweb.ne.jp/wd/canopy/new%20commer.html)
Scroll about half way down you will see a Erla haube. I would link the image but it gives an error (%20 at the end on the tag).
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I know what the Erla Haube looks like thanks :)
What I was interested in was what the armored glass armor looked like, which you showed me very well with those pictures, thanks!
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I know what the Erla Haube looks like thanks
The point wasn't so much the canopy but to show another image of the armored glass.
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The G6 basically had a heavier motor and could fly higher…not more speed, but that’s it…it starts getting heavier every time they put something new in.---Franz Stigler
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Rgr Bruno! Thanks :) Much apprciated I ensure you. Didn't know if the glass and normal armor looked the same or not!