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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Udie on June 30, 2001, 10:54:00 PM
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Do not go see this movie!!! I can't believe it but Speilberg actualy made a lame movie. This was even worse (more boring) than Peal Harbor.
I was very let down, wish Kubric would have shot this one.....
Udie
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Sorry to hear that...I was looking forward to seeing this one.
SOB
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I thought it was a very good movie, and it sure looked to me like Kubric managed to have a good deal of influence on the movie, especially at the end.
What was so lame about it Udie?
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clockwork orange = kubrick
ai = not kubrick
my dear dear lad I fought for thee
and brought thee peace and victory..
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I thought it was tiring at moments but all in all it was good. It should have ended at the real ending not the one 20 minutes later, those who have seen it know what im talking about so I dont wanna spoil it for the ones who havent. This movie is not ET or DARYL. In many ways its similar to blade-runner in visuals and reaches towards 2001 in some of its more significant ideas. Both Haley Joel Osment and Jude Law put in great perfomances, the Osment kid is actually annoyingly creepy in his portayal of the robot boy. I actually think some of the people who dislike this movie actually put off more by the subject matter and its implications than the actual movie. I was both uncomfortable and annoyed at times,not because the movie was bad like when watching that POS PH, but because of the things portrayed. The Flesh Fair scene is very troubling and one of the best arguments against such human "behavior" ever put to film. Go see the movie and it will be perfectly clear what im reffering to.
Overall I think its definatly worth a look, you will be surprised no matter what expectains you have of the movie.
GO SEE IT!
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YABBA DABBA DOO!
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It seemed like an adult movie that was made to be shown to kids. Which is what rubs me. SO much could have been done with the concepts in the movie (which I thought were good) All the acting was good, but Speilberg cheesed it out trying to make it a family film. I agree about the ending too :)
Udie
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Spilberg allways throws some cheez in the mix,He`s a Hollywood director,He can`t help it.The only one He hasn`t cheezed out too much was Schindler`s list.Even that was a little watered down compared to the real story,but the reality of the holocaust is simply unimaginable to anyone who has not actually lived trough it.Even they still can`t belive it actually could happen.
I know I have a real hard time accepting that people could do such things to eachother.But I know that actually they can.
Sad.
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...just back from seeing it a little while ago. Lots of sniffling as people leaving the theater. (Not me) But I did like it. It didnt leave us hanging with "Gee, how'd it end". Nice begining, good story, and nice ending. I won't ruin for others, but I thought it was great.
It was a thinker. I'm kinda burned out on the flashy action/gee-whiz stuff. By my estimate, the movie was a wee on the long side, but to shorten it would have sacrficed the nice long ending.
If you sat thru and liked "Contact", you'll like this.
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Hope it does well. AOL owns them too
Udie is just a robot hater :)
Eagler
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Spielberg isthe warm fuzzy emotional guy. I don't think I've seen one movie with him where he hasn't told me something I've already known and done so in a very emotional way. His films tend to be for families.
kubrick, OTOH, is a film maker of my taste. He uses his intellect more than his heart and, unlike Spielberg who seems to go out to manifest what's already there and reinforce it, kubrick asks very uncomfortable questions.
I'm looking forward to seeing it - even iw Spielberg wussiness is in it. As long as Kubrick infuence can be seen it'll be good enough for me :9.
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Spielberg isthe warm fuzzy emotional guy. I don't think I've seen one movie with him where he hasn't told me something I've already known and done so in a very emotional way. His films tend to be for families.
kubrick, OTOH, is a film maker of my taste. He uses his intellect more than his heart and, unlike Spielberg who seems to go out to manifest what's already there and reinforce it, kubrick asks very uncomfortable questions.
I'm looking forward to seeing it - even iw Spielberg wussiness is in it. As long as Kubrick infuence can be seen it'll be good enough for me :9.
You should enjoy it, it does have a very dark feeling to it. Still wish Kubric had done this one while he was here. He could have done such a better job. Don't get me wrong I liked the concept of the ending. But it seemed to me he added it to make a happy ending, then he ends up making a sad ending.
I guess I'll add now that it was good in the sence that it has me thinking about the overall theme of the movie. Speilberg just watered it down I guess is my big complaint. It's kind of like going to see a porno writen by Larry Flynt, but directed and produced by Hugh Hefner.
Udie
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I think that it could have ended 20 minutes before it did and been fine.
I also like the last 20 minutes. I was trying to figure out how they could avoid totally cheesing it up. Just when they had the opportunity to get super-disney-cheesy, they passed and went a little more thought provoking. I really liked that.
One thing I didn't like was the very premise of the movie. The justification for creating a robot-child was just a tad bit thin.
Overall, it was pretty good. Its not a fast movie by any means. It actually gets downright slow at times. But it does keep you guessing and is thought provoking, though not extremely deep.
I'm actually kinda glad Kubric didn't make it. I get the impression the flesh-merchants would have been an entirely different ballgame. Kubric was awesome when he was younger... and not-so when he was older. Of course, YMMV.
AKDejaVu
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:D If it's one thing I've learned, it's that movie critics only know what THEY like! ;)
So you didn't like the movie, I bet someone else did! With almost every movie you will find someone who loved it, and someone who loathed it.
Case in point... I liked The Phantom Menace, but hated Jar Jar after the first few minutes of him onscreen. Talked to a friend, she didn't like the movie, but thought Jar Jar was cute and the best part of the film.
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Jar Jar must die!
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So you didn't like the movie, I bet someone else did! With almost every movie you will find someone who loved it, and someone who loathed it.
I see many movies in spite of reviews.. not because of them.
The only movie I have not seen recently because of a bad review was Joe Dirt. SOB's writeup on it was enough for me to wait until it hits cable. I'm trying to imagine a film so bad that it embarassed SOB in front of his friends. <shudder>
Anyone see "Thin Red Line"? I hated this movie more than I've hated any movie before. It was nominated for an Academy Award for best picture.
AKDejaVu
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Thin Red Line (shudder). I waited to see it on cable and wasn't disappointed ;)It is perhaps the weakest war movie (for different reasons) since Hamburger Hill. I couldn't suspend reality at all and it didn't remind me of the military experience one bit. A pale effort compared to Saving Private Ryan, Platoon, Enemy at the Gates (book is better), Full Metal Jacket and even Apocalypse Now (I hear the Apocalypse Now director's cut? shown at Cannes is pretty amazing).
I'll probably see Pearl Harbor at the discount big screen showing just to see the limited action scenes.
Charon
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Just saw AI... can't say it was entertaining as much as it was disturbing.
Haley Joel Osment is a helluva talent.
I agree with earlier posts. The movie should have ended earlier. I don't think Speilberg has the courage to end a movie on a sour note.
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YEAH! It wasn't just me that thought "The Thin Red Line" was bad. ;)
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Thin Red Line was imagery and tried to portray the ideal of an individual's view on a world gone mad. See it again without expecting a shootfest or epic heroics (like private Ryan) and you will see that movie in another light. I think that movie was very well made.
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Tac,
I know what thin red line was supposed to be. It was too much imagery and about 100 too many rhetorical questions.
We were sitting in the theatre saying things like "dead bird cutaway coming up" and "rhetorical question coming up"... nailing it every time. The people in the theatre were laughing pretty hard.
The funniest was when I got up to go to the restroom and came back 5 mins later. As a sat down, I asked (rather loudly) "Did I miss anything?" The whole theatre started laughing pretty hard at that.
AKDejaVu
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the thin red line was an awful movie
it is teh only movie where i fell asleep in teh theatre while watching it!
what a piece of garbage.
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Thin Red Line was imagery and tried to portray the ideal of an individual's view on a world gone mad. See it again without expecting a shootfest or epic heroics (like private Ryan) and you will see that movie in another light. I think that movie was very well made.
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Tac
I will agreed that they "tried" to use imagery but contend they failed. I just couldn't buy into it. Another intellectual war film, Apocalyspe Now, did a better job IMHO. While more convenional, Full Metal Jacket is superior as well, again in IMHO (of course, highly subjective).
While searching for a site that noted where it was filmed (it just didn't look like how I pictured Guadalcanal) I came across this review that pretty well sums up my impression of the movie:CNN FILM REVIEW (http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Movies/9812/30/review.thinredline/)
Charon
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God, I hated Thin Red Line too.
And what annoys me about TRL is when you criticize it (as I've done on generic "movie" groups) you get trashed for being some sort of uncultured moron who only likes John Wayne movies and unthinking shoot-em-ups.
It tried to be a deep, serious, complex movie with a message (which I LIKE) and failed miserably. Saving Private Ryan was a far superior movie, in terms not just of being a "movie" but as a work of moviemaking art.
Part of the strange TRL worship always involves trashing of SPR, which is largely due to blind hatred of Spielberg and/or commercial success. Also the fact that Malick was seen as this legendary figure coming in from the cold...people didn't want to believe he could make something that sucked.
I too was laughing at the 765th slow, lingering shot of a parrot in a tree. It was HITTING YOU OVER THE HEAD with its "messages" (man and nature, etc.)
And the incessant voiceovers were filled with every mind-numbing, navel-examing cliche in the book. I was desperately praying for Witt to get his head blown off ASAP so we'd be spared his pointless voiceovers. Or attacked by a flock of vicious colorful parrots.
It's bad moviemaking to have to have so much of the point made by the "inner thoughts" of the protagonists rather than the dialogue. And from the WWII generation people I've met, that inner dialogue was more along the lines of "Shit, hope I don't get blown away today. Where's the booze? Malaria stinks. I want to kill some Japs" then the sort of esoteric philosophical ramblings the characters in this movie had.
The soldiers were pretty unbelievable as soldiers.
The combat scenes on the high kunai grass ridges were quite nice (and unique). That's about all I liked.
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Thin Red Line sucked.
Even worse, thought not a war movie was the recent release "Driven" with Sly Stallone. Horrible movie.
Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket - I liked both alot.
Platoon very good too.
Dago