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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on September 28, 2005, 09:10:04 PM
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OK I started looking into this and I have to say with an un-biased look to say he seems like he's getting hosed by a political hack.
1 endictment after a 3 year investigation on a conspiracy charge?
I hpoe he get's a fair shake at it. I know an indictment isn't a measure of guilt. The defendent in most grand jury indicments arent even allowed to make a case.
Anyone else got some input/history on this.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
1 endictment after a 3 year investigation on a conspiracy charge?
This just proves that the democrats are incapable of conducting a proper witch hunt.
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Originally posted by Sandman
This just proves that the democrats are incapable of conducting a proper witch hunt.
Yup, you need good ole conservative hound dog blood to sniff em out. LOL
:lol
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Originally posted by Sandman
This just proves that the democrats are incapable of conducting a proper witch hunt.
Both parties are responsible for how rediculous the attacks and blame game has gotten. It's gotten to the point where you can't tell the difference between a coupla congressmen and a coupla 6 year olds arguing.
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I dunno, compared to the cost and time spent by Ken Starr to ferret out a BJ this looks downright frugal.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I dunno, compared to the cost and time spent by Ken Starr to ferret out a BJ this looks downright frugal.
Ah yes the old "It was all over a BJ" crap.
It's almost as old and untrue as the "Well at least he didn't go AWOL" BS.
I keep thinking one of these days one of you guys will come up with something new.
:rofl
Sorry!
Just the thought of one of you coming up with an original idea made me laugh.:p
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hehe.. LOL... The old "it was all over a BJ crap" crap. You'd think there would be a new mantra from you guys.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Stop it your killing me!
:lol :lol
Even your rebuttal was "It was all over a BJ".
:lol :lol
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Wait... so was your rebuttal to my rebuttal!!
This is starting to remind me of an Escher drawing.
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now if delay had taken money from the chinese govt it would be ok. neo-cons are so dumb.
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This about sums up my take on this.
"Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog."
- Prosecutor Ronnie Earle
Here's some proof of is "partisanship".
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_11/005190.php
"• Former state Rep. Gilbert Serna, D-El Paso. Pleaded guilty to charges of theft by a public servant in 2000.
• Former state Rep. Lane Denton, D-Waco. Found guilty of theft in 1995.
• State Rep. Betty Denton, D-Waco, pleaded guilty in 1995 to perjury charges.
• Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican, indicted on a charge of official misconduct. Earle in 1994 declined to present a case at trial. Hutchison received a directed verdict of acquittal.
• Land Commissioner Garry Mauro, Democrat, investigated in 1992 for political misuse of his agency for Bill Clinton's presidential campaign. Earle found no "conscious pattern of misuse of state property for political or personal purposes."
• Speaker Gib Lewis, D-Fort Worth. Pleaded guilty in 1992 of misdemeanor filing of false financial statements. Lewis in 1983 also pleaded guilty to misdemeanor failure to file a financial statement.
• San Antonio voter registrar Marco Gomez, Democrat, pleaded guilty in 1992 to tampering with a government record.
• State Rep. Charles Staniswallis, R-Amarillo, pleaded guilty to felony theft in 1990.
• Attorney General Jim Mattox, Democrat, found innocent by a jury in 1983 on charges of commercial bribery.
• Texas Treasurer Warren G. Harding, Democrat, pleaded guilty in 1982 to misdemeanor official misconduct.
• State Rep. Mike Martin, R-Longview. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor perjury charge in 1981 for having lied about arranging to have himself shot to generate publicity.
• State Sen. Gene Jones, D-Houston, pleaded guilty in 1980 to a misdemeanor charge of official misconduct for using a state computer for political purposes.
• Travis County Commissioner Bob Honts, a Democrat who later switched parties, pleaded guilty in 1979 to misdemeanor misapplication of county property."
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Flatbar
This about sums up my take on this.
"Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog."
- Prosecutor Ronnie Earle
Here's some proof of is "partisanship".
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_11/005190.php
"• Former state Rep. Gilbert Serna, D-El Paso. Pleaded guilty to charges of theft by a public servant in 2000.
• Former state Rep. Lane Denton, D-Waco. Found guilty of theft in 1995.
• State Rep. Betty Denton, D-Waco, pleaded guilty in 1995 to perjury charges.
• Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican, indicted on a charge of official misconduct. Earle in 1994 declined to present a case at trial. Hutchison received a directed verdict of acquittal.
• Land Commissioner Garry Mauro, Democrat, investigated in 1992 for political misuse of his agency for Bill Clinton's presidential campaign. Earle found no "conscious pattern of misuse of state property for political or personal purposes."
• Speaker Gib Lewis, D-Fort Worth. Pleaded guilty in 1992 of misdemeanor filing of false financial statements. Lewis in 1983 also pleaded guilty to misdemeanor failure to file a financial statement.
• San Antonio voter registrar Marco Gomez, Democrat, pleaded guilty in 1992 to tampering with a government record.
• State Rep. Charles Staniswallis, R-Amarillo, pleaded guilty to felony theft in 1990.
• Attorney General Jim Mattox, Democrat, found innocent by a jury in 1983 on charges of commercial bribery.
• Texas Treasurer Warren G. Harding, Democrat, pleaded guilty in 1982 to misdemeanor official misconduct.
• State Rep. Mike Martin, R-Longview. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor perjury charge in 1981 for having lied about arranging to have himself shot to generate publicity.
• State Sen. Gene Jones, D-Houston, pleaded guilty in 1980 to a misdemeanor charge of official misconduct for using a state computer for political purposes.
• Travis County Commissioner Bob Honts, a Democrat who later switched parties, pleaded guilty in 1979 to misdemeanor misapplication of county property."
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
If you were from texas you would realize that up until a few years back it was Lib dem vs con dem and Ronnie earl did his best to ruin con dems. But on the plus side he has lost more big ones than he has won.
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Originally posted by john9001
now if delay had taken money from the chinese govt it would be ok. neo-cons are so dumb.
only if he then allowed top secret gyro secrets to fall into red chinese hands ...
when the lefts biggest fear of the right is the possible stop of unborn baby slaughter ..
yep, republicans are so evil
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All I can say is finally .... This guy is SOOOOO dirty....
I've been reading about his dirty deeds for years, maybe you should look at the REAL liberal media from time to time :D
"...Tom DeLay illegally funneling corporate money to Texas politicians."(2004)
Or maybe you think corporations are supposed to be able to 'buy' politicians like they do?
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Originally posted by BluKitty
All I can say is finally .... This guy is SOOOOO dirty....
I've been reading about his dirty deeds for years, maybe you should look at the REAL liberal media from time to time :D
"...Tom DeLay illegally funneling corporate money to Texas politicians."(2004)
Or maybe you think corporations are supposed to be able to 'buy' politicians like they do?
Being accused is not being guilty.
Your quote is pointless until proven.
My bet is Ronnie loses another one.
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Originally posted by BluKitty
All I can say is finally .... This guy is SOOOOO dirty....
I've been reading about his dirty deeds for years, maybe you should look at the REAL liberal media from time to time :D
"...Tom DeLay illegally funneling corporate money to Texas politicians."(2004)
Or maybe you think corporations are supposed to be able to 'buy' politicians like they do?
It's posts like these that just make me laugh. "soooo dirty" yet not a single point of reference and no shred of truth at all.
The fact that it's ONE count of CONSPIRACY to commit a crime just dumbfounds me.
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Tom DeLay a knight in shining armour? I think not. Republicans changed their rules so he could hold office while under indictment. The political fallout was so great they had to reinstate the rule.
From his track record it appears Ronnie Earle is an equal opportunity procecutor. He's gone after more Dems than Reps. Ronnie Earle may indeed be wearing a tin foil hat, but so are DeLay's supporters.:noid
Let a jury of his peers decide his guilt or innocence. Just remember where there's money and politicians, there's political corruption.
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Originally posted by rpm
Tom DeLay a knight in shining armour? I think not. Republicans changed their rules so he could hold office while under indictment. The political fallout was so great they had to reinstate the rule.
From his track record it appears Ronnie Earle is an equal opportunity procecutor. He's gone after more Dems than Reps. Ronnie Earle may indeed be wearing a tin foil hat, but so are DeLay's supporters.:noid
Let a jury of his peers decide his guilt or innocence. Just remember where there's money and politicians, there's political corruption.
no one said he's a knight but I have yet to see anyting that would make me think otherwise.
I don't think you can equate Earles track record to today. Politics changed the minute that GWB was sworn into office.
Keep in mind repubs changed the rules because they thought that this indictment is a political hack job. They changed it back later and Delay did in fact resign as house majority leader.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
no one said he's a knight but I have yet to see anyting that would make me think otherwise.
2004: Delay Draws Third Rebuke (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12933-2004Oct6.html)
The two-pronged rebuke marked the second time in six days -- and the third time overall -- that the ethics panel has admonished the House's second-ranking Republican. The back-to-back chastisements are highly unusual for any lawmaker, let alone one who aspires to be speaker, and some watchdog groups called on him to resign his leadership post.
Maybe you just haven't been paying attention.
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They cant win at the ballot box, so they are down to shakey indictments that previous grand juries rejected. And what's that charge? Its not on the indictment, read it.
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What dissappoints me is that both parties work so hard to destroy each other, that it's got to the point that our government no longer fuctions. I could care less about campain funds as should most people. I could care less about most of the crap that has been flung by both side.HELLO they are POLITICIANS, it's their job to be shady, and no one should expect anything more of them, except for them to maybe do their other job, which is to guide the USA on the right course.
I'll have to quote T. Jefferson again "A little revolution from time to time is a good thing"
Maybe it's about time for a revolution. And voting people in or out of office doesn't count as a revolution either.
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Originally posted by Nash
2004: Delay Draws Third Rebuke (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12933-2004Oct6.html)
Maybe you just haven't been paying attention.
OMG! What a SCUMBAG!
Seriously is this it?
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You said you've seen nothing that would make you think Delay wasn't anything other than a knight.
Maybe you still haven't.
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WHO CARES??!?!?!?!?
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Originally posted by ASTAC
WHO CARES??!?!?!?!?
Agreed, arguin over this crud is like doing this....
(http://www.furballunderground.com/blueknights_pictures/userfiles/superdud/brickwall.gif)
Only with the latter you'd eventually knock yourself out and be done with it. With politics and Rep vs Dem, it's just one headache after another. They are all pretty much the same if you ask me. Most of them are crooks and few have any real ties/feeling what it's like to be the "common man" but they sure will spout that they feel are pain. I feel better, carry on:cool:
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I realize you're having a crisis of faith, ASTAC. That usually happens when you back the wrong horse, and you slowly realize that your heroes are nothing more than thugs, crooks, cheats and liars.
But short of your dream of revolting (essentially drawing a line down the middle of the country and shooting those countrymen not on your side - instilling a government by force) everyone else still has to live in reality world. Pity as it may be, the conduct of those in office still matters.
It's teh funnay watching the veil lift... watching as some folks rub the sleep out of their eyes. What do they want to do? "Ah screw it! everything sucks!"
You got a federal probe implicating Bush's number one political advisor along with Cheney's Chief of Staff, for violating laws protecting CIA agents and lying to the Feds.
The Republican majority leader of the Senate under investigation by the SEC for the very same thing that put Martha behind bars.
The Republican majority leader of the House under indictment for campaign law violations.
A Bush admin guy arrested this week for lying to the Feds about a Republican lobbyist tight with DeLay, Norquist, Reed, Rove etc. who has himself been arrested on charges surrounding a mafia murder plot.
It's so nice to these swine return "honour and integrity" to Washington, isn't it?
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Originally posted by Nash
It's teh funnay watching the veil lift... watching as some folks rub the sleep out of their eyes. What do they want to do? "Ah screw it! everything sucks!"
The problem is NOT just with the republicans, The democrats have their fair share of dirt. And when they have power again one day, all their dirt will come to light...
It's the fact that, this going back and forth is all they are capable of doing.
What legislation has been passed in the past 10-15 years that actually benifitted any of us.
Most everything you hear about has something to do with taking away or restricting your rights, by going over, under, and around the Constitution.
The people believe (wrongly)it is their job to solve all out problems. So why not at least try to even do that?
Maybe they can stop bickering and work on something worthwhile for a change..then maybe my "faith" could be restored
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Not even close...
But I guess it's a matter of degrees.
It was fascinating; the clarity and the single-minded focus as you dug yourselves in.
It is no wonder that in order to extricate yourself now, you're resorting to strapping dynamite to your bellybutton and taking everyone out.
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Originally posted by Nash
Not even close...
But I guess it's a matter of degrees.
It was fascinating; the clarity and the single-minded focus as you dug yourselves in.
It is no wonder that in order to extricate yourself now, you're resorting to strapping dynamite to your bellybutton and taking everyone out.
The roles were EXACTLY reversed in the 90's under Clinton. How soon everyone forgets.
Want another opinion? Maybe the only way to make our governmet work againb, is to abolish political parties. make people vote for people and not party agendas.
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No ASTAC.
No they weren't.
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Originally posted by Nash
No ASTAC.
No they weren't.
Where were you?
The Dems had power, and the reps did all they could to fling mud to topple that power..
The roles are EXACTLY reversed.
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Where was I during that? Living in a place where traffic constantly got screwed up every time Clinton came to visit, every time some big shot foreign head of state visited the UN, or every time Hillary and Chelsea got the urge to go shopping in style.
The amount of "mud-slinging" was unprecedented in modern politics. Rush Limbaugh was born. FOX was born. Coultier was born. 90's Republican poster boy Gingrich published "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control"... wherein he called on Republicans to change the discourse and, when referring to Democrats, use the terms:
"Anti-flag, anti-family, anti-child, anti-jobs, betray, coercion, collapse, consequences, corruption, crises, decay, deeper, destroy, destructive, devour, endanger, failure, greed, hypocrisy, ideological, impose, incompetent, insecure, liberal, lie, limit(s), pathetic, permissive attitude, radical, self-serving, sensationalists, shallow, sick, they/them, threaten, traitors, unionized bureaucracy, urgent, waste."
Nice, huh?
Whitewater was a witch hunt in every sense of the term.
Fast-forward to Bush's term, and you've got a wounded nation writing Bush blank checks. You've got a press core looking the other way. You couldn't have had a worse term... yet he's re-elected? That's not rational. That's fear talkin' on a national scale.
So there is a HUGE difference between the Clinton and Bush Presidencies. One was under assault by crooks, and the other is governed by crooks.
So ya know? When I hear you folks say "They're BOTH bad".... I just laugh a little. It's kinda like you blowing a Math test and saying "Well school sucks anyways!"
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What I'm trying to say is..given our choices, They are ALL bad and it's a lose lose situation no matter which you vote for, because the other will just tie up the party in power by
A: Disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing
B: Investigating/indicting the crap out of whoever is in power
You could always throw your vote away and vote libertarian, but w3hat would be the point. Somehow these 2 parties have convinced the people that there are only 2 parties that are allowed to hold power.
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Hey Astac. I see you're getting more and more serious. Have a few beers, if the feeling is still there in the morning, hang onto it.
When it does start up, give me a call. It should be fun revolting.
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I don't think Delay is the boogie man or the scumbag that the left would have us believe. This is an enormous oppertunity for them and by some remote chance a prosecuter in texas convinced a grand jurry to indict him on ONE count of CONSPIRACY.
We are seeing one a real one sided story play out and the left is making a play.....politics as usual.
He had the dignity to resign as Senate majority leader. I'm too lazy to actually dig it up but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of democrats that do/have done the same things he has been cited for by the ethics commity.
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Well that's politics.
And it's all good and well to say "Libertarian" (a lot of that going around lately, heh) but that aint gonna work. It's an unworkable political philosophy.
So you're still left with the two choices. None of them pure.
Lesser of two evils? Pretty much. Always will be.
But I swear dude.... The difference between the two evils in this case is so incredibly vast... prarie sky far and wide... that a baby/bathwater solution is only heard coming from those realizing how deeply they've been duped.
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Originally posted by Nash
Well that's politics.
And it's all good and well to say "Libertarian" (a lot of that going around lately, heh) but that aint gonna work. It's an unworkable political philosophy.
So you're still left with the two choices. None of them pure.
Lesser of two evils? Pretty much. Always will be.
But I swear dude.... The difference between the two evils in this case is so incredibly vast... prarie sky far and wide... that a baby/bathwater solution is only heard coming from those realizing how deeply they've been duped.
Well Nash I'm glad you said that because I agree with you. I only lean republican because I can't stand the leftist socialist ways. There is virtually NOTHING in the left's message (when they actually have one) that I agree with. To me I think the left is making a good show of force but the democrats are a majorly devided house of cards. Much more so than the right.
I think the two party system is ruining our country
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Not that I have been duped.
I have always been a very pro military person, ever since I was a kid.
We had the best funding and best pay raises under Republicans. That formed my basis for support.
Also the fact that I lean more to the right than the left makes me more Repuplican minded.
I hate Socialism, which with all their programs the Democrats would have us be. Thats just one of their flaws in my mind. I didn't rely on FOX or RUSH to come to my conclusion about Democrats, they speak for themselves well enough.
Duped, no I don't think so....
Just unable to support my chosen party...
and absolutely refuse to support the other.
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Nash is my new hero.
I feel like leading the choir in a rousing rendition of "Stomp".
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I think the two party system is ruining our country
So try and fix it - if you care. Because that's all you have to work with.
But if you're content to swallow the mud with a smile, spitting it right back out on everyone else with bile.... thinkin' you're helpin' the situation... you aint.
Limbaugh talkin' points aint done a damn thing to make life better for anyone.
Encourage those with promise. Hold the accountable, accountable. Understand what you're saying and your reason for saying it. Do nothing blind. Care not about your peer's judgement of you, but your own. Have faith. Be optimistic. Stuff like that.
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nash, lol. Why don't you lecture people in your own country first.
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I believe that a lot of Republicans are more Libertarian then they let on. Just the same with commies and Demos.
However, until something happens, I will still vote Republican for practical reasons.
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Originally posted by Godzilla
nash, lol. Why don't you lecture people in your own country first.
Too late they are already leaning waaaayy Socialist....they'll have a dictator soon.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I believe that a lot of Republicans are more Libertarian then they let on. Just the same with commies and Demos.
I believe that a lot of Democrats are more Libertarian than they let on. Just the same with fascists and the GOP.
:aok
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Dictator?
What was it you were saying earlier about arrogance, ASTAC?
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Originally posted by Nash
Dictator?
What was it you were saying earlier about arrogance, ASTAC?
I never said I wasn't part of the problem.:D
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"Libertarian" is one of those one-size-fits-all labels which sounds nice but doesn't have a whole lot of practical meaning. In truth, I disagree with most of what that party is about at a fundamental level.
Delay may or may not have committed a crime, but to claim that this indictment isn't politically motivated is folly. It's Washington--EVERYTHING is politically motivated. Yes, even Clinton. Is there a person here who seriously thinks that the Republicans would have impeached him if he was a republican President? No, it would have been the Dems doing it. That's just how it is.
J_A_B
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Did you guys actually read why he was admonished the last time?
From Nash's link.
The ethics panel faulted DeLay's actions in asking the Federal Aviation Administration last year to help locate a private plane that Republicans thought was carrying Texas Democratic legislators. Some Democratic lawmakers were leaving the state to prevent a quorum that Republicans needed in Austin to pass a bitterly disputed congressional redistricting plan engineered by DeLay. DeLay's staff asked an FAA official to help find the plane in a bid to force the legislators back to the capital.
He was trying to find the Democrats that were running away from their jobs.
The Bastard! :rolleyes:
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You could always throw your vote away and vote libertarian, but what would be the point. Somehow these 2 parties have convinced the people that there are only 2 parties that are allowed to hold power.
How did this come to be? Simple, private corprate money 'buying' politicians....
Is it really a surprise to you that NBC( the highest rated U.S. news broadcast, last I looked,) is owned by a defense contractor?
A surprise That the majority of the media is dominated by corprate, capitalist agendas?
Should they really be allowed to complete the monopoly by buying politicians for thier lobbyist intrests? There are some laws to prevent this, Delay is splitting hairs.
You have more than the Libertarians too,
You have the Green Party
East & West coast Progressives too(they are diffrant)
and many more parties to suit your wants.....Whatever they are. I think you can join the communist party nowadays without being blacklisted.
I think we need a new amendment .. seperation of corpration and state :D
(in the sense of buying politicians, not the U.S. treasury S.E.C. etc)
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Originally posted by Nash
terms:
"Anti-flag, anti-family, anti-child, anti-jobs, betray, coercion, collapse, consequences, corruption, crises, decay, deeper, destroy, destructive, devour, endanger, failure, greed, hypocrisy, ideological, impose, incompetent, insecure, liberal, lie, limit(s), pathetic, permissive attitude, radical, self-serving, sensationalists, shallow, sick, they/them, threaten, traitors, unionized bureaucracy, urgent, waste."
Nice, huh?
This list of democrat shortcomings seems a bit light. Couldn't you add some more.;)
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Originally posted by BluKitty
I think we need a new amendment .. seperation of corpration and state :D
i think this wins sig of the week...