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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on September 21, 2001, 09:51:00 AM
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A passenger described what happened
shortly after takeoff to the Washington
Times' John McCaslin, who shared this
account with his readers Thursday:
"I want to thank you brave folks for
coming out today," the pilot announced
over the public address system. "We
don't have any new instructions from
the federal government, so from now on,
we're on our own."
The passengers listened in total
silence, McCaslin was told.
"Sometimes a potential hijacker will
announce that he has a bomb. There are
no bombs on this aircraft and if
someone were to get up and make that
claim, don't believe him. If someone
were to stand up, brandish something
such as a plastic knife and say, 'This
is a hijacking' or words to that
effect, here is what you should do:
"Every one of you should stand up and
immediately throw things at that person
- pillows, books, magazines,
eyeglasses, shoes - anything that will
throw him off balance and distract his
attention. If he has a confederate or
two, do the same with them. Most
important: Get a blanket over him, then
wrestle him to the floor and keep him
there. We'll land the plane at the
nearest airport and the authorities
will take it from there.
"Remember, there will be one of him and
maybe a few confederates, but there are
200 of you. Now, since we're a family
for the next few hours, I'll ask you to
turn to the person next to you,
introduce yourself, tell them a little
about yourself and ask them to do the
same."
At the end of that remarkable address,
Flight 564's passengers gave their
pilot a rousing round of applause.
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http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20010919-6357240.htm (http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20010919-6357240.htm)
The author still does not state if he himself was on the flight or if he got the story second-hand.
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"Get a blanket over him, then
wrestle him to the floor and keep him
there."
Did he forget the part about beating them senseless? Fire extinguishers and emergency oxygen bottles make excellent, if large, blackjacks.
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I have heard a few stories about passengers banding together since this attack. one story I heard, and I don't know if this is urban legend or not, on a flight over the weekend, and arab man got up and started walking to the front of the plane.... about 6 guys stood up, and wouldn't let him pass... he said he was just going to the restroom..... they said use the one in the back...... so he did.
it's sad that it has come to this.
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Originally posted by NATEDOG:
I have heard a few stories about passengers banding together since this attack. one story I heard, and I don't know if this is urban legend or not, on a flight over the weekend, and arab man got up and started walking to the front of the plane.... about 6 guys stood up, and wouldn't let him pass... he said he was just going to the restroom..... they said use the one in the back...... so he did.
it's sad that it has come to this.
Though it is very sad, when it comes to survival, we all do weird things. Survival is the most primitive function our brains know of...and react to it in different fashions.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean I shouldn't be. I've lived with that saying for many years now, and survived a gun pulled on me 4 times (shot at me twice).
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This is the way we're going to stop terrorist hijackings! I really like this.
Buhdman, out
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Rip,
<<<...and survived a gun pulled on me 4 times (shot at me twice).>>>
Not doing your chores at home, eh?
;)
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Nah, wife with PMS just yells alot, though she *does* have a CWP. :)
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Allegedly (on one of the crappy cable news channels, MSNBC, I think), three Arab-Americans were pulled from a flight from Salt Lake City last night, because the other passengers refused to fly with them.
That really diddlying pisses me off.
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Normal reactions in the aftermath of what has just happened Dinger, and believe me, its only the beginning of this type of behavior. Like it or not, survival is one of the most primitive forms of the brain, and reaction to survival comes in many forms. You may see it as racism, but in a primitive brainstem, it sees it subconsciously as "Survival".
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Dinger, would you have flown with them? Would you have sat in front of them without ever looking twice? Would you not have wondered?
Just curious and certainly not advocating such behaviour.
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Frankly, I would have refused to fly without them.
Yes, fear is a response. Fear based on ignorance is what started this mess.
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Very sad.
http://www.wjla.com/showstory.hrb?f=n&s=17464&f1=loc (http://www.wjla.com/showstory.hrb?f=n&s=17464&f1=loc)
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S!
I work as a News Cameraman and I interviewed a number of Airline pilots re. what they would do.
They all told me that now their standard procedure in the event of a hijacking is to put the aircraft into a series of negative 'g' maneuvers.
Anyone who is standing up in the passenger area would be violently bounced off ceiling and walls. They would likely suffer serious head and neck injuries and lose consciousness.
Prior to the maneuvers, the pilots told me they would instruct passengers to fasten their seatbelts.
The second option, should the hijackers survive the first, would be depressurization of the passenger cabin. This can be done from the Cockpit.
The result would be eardrums blown out and violent headaches, and if the aircraft was at high altitude, loss of consciousness due to oxygen starvation.
The pilots said after depressurization they would bring the aircraft down to lower levels to ensure passengers did not die from lack of oxygen.
Quite drastic responses, but likely these would settle a group of hijackers down very quickly.
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Yes, I agree, it is sad and I'm afraid it will continue.
I guess it's my law enforcement background, but I have been finding myself profiling alot as of late. I certainly hope I don't stupe to the level of the folks in that story. Having said that, I'm going to protect my family by whatever means necessary. Contradictory I know, but if you're not sure, you need to find out.
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i have to agree with dinger on this. you can't let someones race or nationality effect how you treat them. i would probly give them a second look, and pay atention if they do anything odd but to outright refuse to fly with them seems way out of line.
if my father can still be polite to japanese he meets after spending ww2 in a prison camp we can figure out how to work through this.
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Buzz, there's lots of things being talked about... that probably shouldn't be talked about.
Let's try to keep them guessing a while, OK?
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So they not only got kicked off a Northwest Airlines flight, but were then put on a Delta flight?
Geezus, Delta is the equivelant of the DC Metro rail while Northwest is like a commuter train fully equipped with dining car and everything.
I also think this is horseshit, if they went through security checks already and were proven to simply be going home... then what is the big diddlyin' deal?
I'm not surprised it happened in Minneapolis either, I absolutely despise stop over flights there- what a toejamty neck of the woods.
-SW
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Capt,
My father was a B-29 tailgunner. He hated the Japanese untill he died. Should also add that my neighbor down the street was in the Bataan death march and is still not overly happy with the Japanese.
On the other hand my flight instructor father was a medic in the 4th inf. Landed at Utah beach and was involved in hand to hand combat during the war. During a trip back to France in 64, He took his family to a German burial site. Never said why. Always talks well about the German people.
[ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: newguy2 ]
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Grrrr
[ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: newguy2 ]
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newguy2,
Perhaps I was unclear, my father is POLITE to Japanese that he meets, I never said he likes them. After being captured on Wake Island and the years of imprisonment and torture that followed he still has some definite opinions on the nation as a whole. However in all my life I never saw him let those feelings effect how he treated an individual.
My best friend in highschool was Japanese/American, my father never discouraged this friendship, was never rude to my friend when he stayed over at our house, and during the time we where friends my father kept his opinions of the Japanese people to himself. I don’t think he even mentioned the war while i was around for those 5-6 years.
And this is exactly what I’m talking about.
we can think anything we want about Muslims, Aphgans, people of dark skin, people of yellow skin, whatever, it's our right to think anything we want about anybody we want. We are free to hate, find amusing, or look down on anybody we please, but when we start to let that effect how we treat others...
well, I guess it says more about us than them.
[ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: capt. apathy ]
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S!
There were close to 100 Muslims killed in the WTC. There is a lot of Arab and Indonesian money in New York so they have their people working there.
Toad if you really think these terrorists don't know about the pilot's options, you are dreaming. That was the reason the first thing the hijackers did on the doomed flights was slit the throats of several passengers in order to terrorize the pilots.
The difference now, is that the pilots will grit their teeth and refuse to give in.
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Hey apathy, you know by any chance in what element your dad served while in Wake? I have a rather detailed description of Wake's defense, would be interesting to know.
Give ur dad a big <S> and thanks from me will ya?
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he was a usmc machine gunner.
other than documents and citations. most of the info i have is peiced together from small indevidual conversations. this is not a subject where he was ever comfortable to sit down and lay out the situation. i just listen to what he feels like talking about for as long as he feels like talking.
he did show me where his mg was during the final wave of invasion. i was playing ms combat flight sim and was flying over Wake, he walked in and pointed to the screen and said "my mg was right here" then he left the room, end of conversation.
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Perhaps I was unclear, my father is POLITE to Japanese that he meets, I never said he likes them. After being captured on Wake Island and the years of imprisonment and torture that followed he still has some definite opinions on the nation as a whole.
Capt,
Please tell him for me that I'm damn proud
of what he did for his country.
I never saw my father interact with any Japanese. How he would have acted towards them in public, I have no idea.
I can't argue against treating each other with dignity and respect. That would be foolish. In a perfect world the topic would never have come to light.
Everyone's opinions, their likes and dislikes, their fears, are based on what they have experienced or witnessed during life.
For many, these feeling run deep and can't be toggled on and off like a light switch.
My father-in-law was a member of the First Air Cav in nam. Two tours 69-71. He's 50 I'm 48. Ever have a father-in-law that only two years older than you? His wife is 59. Much fun. He refights that war in his dreams a half dozen times a month. If awaken by thunder, he's right back in the bush, at a hot LZ.
He can become very agitated around people of oriental ancestry and has been less that polite on a few occasions.
The point I'm trying to make is its best to walk around in someone shoes before deciding how they should act in any given situation.
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Thanks for your support, Buzz.
It doesn't suprise me, considering you work in the mass media.
[ 09-22-2001: Message edited by: Toad ]
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newguy2,
agreed
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Just because they dont have weapons on them when the go thru security does not mean the planes has not been set up in advance. We pull drugs off our planes in maintenance all the time, and just this week a box knife was found taped to bottom of seat. They have help. I for one am not a racist but with sickos like that out there dont trust none of them be safe first.
For those of you who fly that seat cusion that makes an excellent floataion device will also block any knife they might get on the plane.
Safety first dont let anyone screw up the only mandatory part of flying. (the landing)
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indian,
that ocured to me also. you'd think a seat cushon as a sheild and a soda can in a sock would take down just about anybody with a knife